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3/11/2015 2:58:41 PM
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How you deal with these passages between yourself (be honest..) and your relatives/friend/mother...?

here some little samples what i mean by free Pornography you dont have to search on Google its Halal/Kosher/Permissible in the Bible free of charge:

Precaution before hand - children dont read this!!

There is so many passages i choose few randomly... from Songs of Salomon (acually you must read the whole thing from chapter 1 to 8 it would hallucinate you)

7:2-4
How beautiful are your feet in sandals,
O noble daughter!
Your rounded thighs are like jewels,
the work of a master hand.
2 Your navel is a rounded bowl
that never lacks mixed wine.
Your belly is a heap of wheat,
encircled with lilies.
3 Your two breasts are like two fawns,
twins of a gazelle.
4 Your neck is like an ivory tower.

chapter 8

Oh that you were like a brother to me
who nursed at my mother's breasts!
If I found you outside, I would kiss you,
and none would despise me.
2 I would lead you and bring you
into the house of my mother"
she who used to teach me.
I would give you spiced wine to drink,
the juice of my pomegranate.
(:D:D)
3 His left hand is under my head,
and his right hand embraces me!
4 I adjure you, O daughters of Jerusalem,
that you not stir up or awaken love
until it pleases.
5 Who is that coming up from the wilderness,
leaning on her beloved?
Under the apple tree I awakened you.
There your mother was in labor with you;
there she who bore you was in labor.
6 Set me as a seal upon your heart,
as a seal upon your arm,
for love is strong as death,
jealousy[a] is fierce as the grave.[b]
Its flashes are flashes of fire,
the very flame of the Lord.
7 Many waters cannot quench love,
neither can floods drown it.
If a man offered for love
all the wealth of his house,
he[c] would be utterly despised.
We have a little sister,
and she has no breasts.
What shall we do for our sister
on the day when she is spoken for?
9 If she is a wall,
we will build on her a battlement of silver,
but if she is a door,
we will enclose her with boards of cedar.
She

10 I was a wall,
and my breasts were like towers;
...

chapter 5:8
5:4 "I slept but my heart was awake. Listen! My lover is knocking: 'Open to me, my sister, my darling, my dove, my flawless one. My head is drenched with dew, my hair with the dampness of the night.' I have taken off my robe must I put it on again? I have washed my feet, must I soil them again? My lover thrust his hand through the latch-opening; my heart began to pound for him."

Ezekiel 11-21
And when her sister Aholibah saw this, she was more corrupt in her inordinate love than she, and in her whoredoms more than her sister in her whoredoms. She doted upon the Assyrians her neighbours, captains and rulers clothed most gorgeously, horsemen riding upon horses, all of them desirable young men. Then I saw that she was defiled, that they took both one way, And that she increased her whoredoms: for when she saw men pourtrayed upon the wall, the images of the Chaldeans pourtrayed with vermilion, Girded with girdles upon their loins, exceeding in dyed attire upon their heads, all of them princes to look to, after the manner of the Babylonians of Chaldea, the land of their nativity: And as soon as she saw them with her eyes, she doted upon them, and sent messengers unto them into Chaldea. And the Babylonians came to her into the bed of love, and they defiled her with their whoredom, and she was polluted with them, and her mind was alienated from them. So she discovered her whoredoms, and discovered her nakedness: then my mind was alienated from her, like as my mind was alienated from her sister. Yet she multiplied her whoredoms, in calling to remembrance the days of her youth, wherein she had played the harlot in the land of Egypt. For she doted upon their paramours, whose flesh is as the flesh (the organ of male) of asses, and whose issue (splash!) is like the issue of horses. Thus thou calledst to remembrance the lewdness (nakedness) of thy youth, in bruising thy teats by the Egyptians for the paps of thy youth.

2 Samuel 11:2-4 "One evening David got up from his bed and walked around on the roof of the palace. From the roof he saw a woman bathing. The woman was very beautiful, and David sent someone to find out about her. The man said, "Isn"t this Bathsheba, the daughter of Eliam and the wife of Uriah the Hittite?" Then David sent messengers to get her. She came to him, and he slept with her

just a few... so christians or jews do you really can read these stuff to your mother/daughter/girlfriend? if not what you are ashamed of? its not the word of God?
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3/11/2015 3:08:13 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
Christians view sex within the confines of marriage to be good. However, you don't hear Christian married couples telling their friends "she was great in bed last night here's the sexually explicit details".
That is, it's not something to be shared.

Anyway, the Songs of Solomon does have a reason for being in Bible (I don't know what it is), but it obviously wasn't meant to be read like a piece of erotica.
Besides, with the antiquated language ("your neck is like an ivory tower"), it's not likely to sexually arouse modern readers anyway.
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3/11/2015 3:23:36 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 3/11/2015 3:00:53 PM, Envisage wrote:
What's wrong with porn?

Studies suggest that porn may have some negative effects on the brain by overstimulating "reward chemicals" such as dopamine or serotonin.
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3/11/2015 3:24:40 PM
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At 3/11/2015 3:23:36 PM, triangle.128k wrote:
At 3/11/2015 3:00:53 PM, Envisage wrote:
What's wrong with porn?

Studies suggest that porn may have some negative effects on the brain by overstimulating "reward chemicals" such as dopamine or serotonin.

I like my reward chemicals...
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3/11/2015 3:25:57 PM
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At 3/11/2015 3:24:40 PM, Envisage wrote:
At 3/11/2015 3:23:36 PM, triangle.128k wrote:
At 3/11/2015 3:00:53 PM, Envisage wrote:
What's wrong with porn?

Studies suggest that porn may have some negative effects on the brain by overstimulating "reward chemicals" such as dopamine or serotonin.

I like my reward chemicals...

I mean it literally over-stimulates them and exhausts the supply of them. It also potentially damages some of the receptors.
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3/11/2015 3:31:46 PM
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At 3/11/2015 3:25:57 PM, triangle.128k wrote:
At 3/11/2015 3:24:40 PM, Envisage wrote:
At 3/11/2015 3:23:36 PM, triangle.128k wrote:
At 3/11/2015 3:00:53 PM, Envisage wrote:
What's wrong with porn?

Studies suggest that porn may have some negative effects on the brain by overstimulating "reward chemicals" such as dopamine or serotonin.

I like my reward chemicals...

I mean it literally over-stimulates them and exhausts the supply of them. It also potentially damages some of the receptors.

Please cite that study or studies.
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3/11/2015 3:33:17 PM
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At 3/11/2015 3:25:57 PM, triangle.128k wrote:
At 3/11/2015 3:24:40 PM, Envisage wrote:
At 3/11/2015 3:23:36 PM, triangle.128k wrote:
At 3/11/2015 3:00:53 PM, Envisage wrote:
What's wrong with porn?

Studies suggest that porn may have some negative effects on the brain by overstimulating "reward chemicals" such as dopamine or serotonin.

I like my reward chemicals...

I mean it literally over-stimulates them and exhausts the supply of them. It also potentially damages some of the receptors.

I don't see the problem. We don't live forever, so what's a few dead receptors? We regenerate them anyway.
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3/11/2015 3:37:23 PM
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At 3/11/2015 3:31:46 PM, dhardage wrote:
At 3/11/2015 3:25:57 PM, triangle.128k wrote:
At 3/11/2015 3:24:40 PM, Envisage wrote:
At 3/11/2015 3:23:36 PM, triangle.128k wrote:
At 3/11/2015 3:00:53 PM, Envisage wrote:
What's wrong with porn?

Studies suggest that porn may have some negative effects on the brain by overstimulating "reward chemicals" such as dopamine or serotonin.

I like my reward chemicals...

I mean it literally over-stimulates them and exhausts the supply of them. It also potentially damages some of the receptors.

Please cite that study or studies.

http://archpsyc.jamanetwork.com...

There's many more aswell, google it.
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3/11/2015 3:41:44 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 3/11/2015 3:33:17 PM, Envisage wrote:
At 3/11/2015 3:25:57 PM, triangle.128k wrote:
At 3/11/2015 3:24:40 PM, Envisage wrote:
At 3/11/2015 3:23:36 PM, triangle.128k wrote:
At 3/11/2015 3:00:53 PM, Envisage wrote:
What's wrong with porn?

Studies suggest that porn may have some negative effects on the brain by overstimulating "reward chemicals" such as dopamine or serotonin.

I like my reward chemicals...

I mean it literally over-stimulates them and exhausts the supply of them. It also potentially damages some of the receptors.

I don't see the problem. We don't live forever, so what's a few dead receptors? We regenerate them anyway.

It's not just the dead receptors, but the supply of the chemicals is also being drained. Porn eventually makes life seem a bit duller because there's less receptors to recieve reward chemicals. There's also a shorter supply of the chemicals as well contributing to that.
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3/11/2015 3:45:57 PM
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At 3/11/2015 3:37:23 PM, triangle.128k wrote:
At 3/11/2015 3:31:46 PM, dhardage wrote:
At 3/11/2015 3:25:57 PM, triangle.128k wrote:
At 3/11/2015 3:24:40 PM, Envisage wrote:
At 3/11/2015 3:23:36 PM, triangle.128k wrote:
At 3/11/2015 3:00:53 PM, Envisage wrote:
What's wrong with porn?

Studies suggest that porn may have some negative effects on the brain by overstimulating "reward chemicals" such as dopamine or serotonin.

I like my reward chemicals...

I mean it literally over-stimulates them and exhausts the supply of them. It also potentially damages some of the receptors.

Please cite that study or studies.

http://archpsyc.jamanetwork.com...

There's many more aswell, google it.

Thank you.
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3/11/2015 4:51:46 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 3/11/2015 2:58:41 PM, POPOO5560 wrote:
How you deal with these passages between yourself (be honest..) and your relatives/friend/mother...?

here some little samples what i mean by free Pornography you dont have to search on Google its Halal/Kosher/Permissible in the Bible free of charge:

Precaution before hand - children dont read this!!

There is so many passages i choose few randomly... from Songs of Salomon (acually you must read the whole thing from chapter 1 to 8 it would hallucinate you)

7:2-4
How beautiful are your feet in sandals,
O noble daughter!
Your rounded thighs are like jewels,
the work of a master hand.
2 Your navel is a rounded bowl
that never lacks mixed wine.
Your belly is a heap of wheat,
encircled with lilies.
3 Your two breasts are like two fawns,
twins of a gazelle.
4 Your neck is like an ivory tower.

chapter 8

Oh that you were like a brother to me
who nursed at my mother's breasts!
If I found you outside, I would kiss you,
and none would despise me.
2 I would lead you and bring you
into the house of my mother"
she who used to teach me.
I would give you spiced wine to drink,
the juice of my pomegranate.
(:D:D)
3 His left hand is under my head,
and his right hand embraces me!
4 I adjure you, O daughters of Jerusalem,
that you not stir up or awaken love
until it pleases.
5 Who is that coming up from the wilderness,
leaning on her beloved?
Under the apple tree I awakened you.
There your mother was in labor with you;
there she who bore you was in labor.
6 Set me as a seal upon your heart,
as a seal upon your arm,
for love is strong as death,
jealousy[a] is fierce as the grave.[b]
Its flashes are flashes of fire,
the very flame of the Lord.
7 Many waters cannot quench love,
neither can floods drown it.
If a man offered for love
all the wealth of his house,
he[c] would be utterly despised.
We have a little sister,
and she has no breasts.
What shall we do for our sister
on the day when she is spoken for?
9 If she is a wall,
we will build on her a battlement of silver,
but if she is a door,
we will enclose her with boards of cedar.
She

10 I was a wall,
and my breasts were like towers;
...

chapter 5:8
5:4 "I slept but my heart was awake. Listen! My lover is knocking: 'Open to me, my sister, my darling, my dove, my flawless one. My head is drenched with dew, my hair with the dampness of the night.' I have taken off my robe must I put it on again? I have washed my feet, must I soil them again? My lover thrust his hand through the latch-opening; my heart began to pound for him."

Ezekiel 11-21
And when her sister Aholibah saw this, she was more corrupt in her inordinate love than she, and in her whoredoms more than her sister in her whoredoms. She doted upon the Assyrians her neighbours, captains and rulers clothed most gorgeously, horsemen riding upon horses, all of them desirable young men. Then I saw that she was defiled, that they took both one way, And that she increased her whoredoms: for when she saw men pourtrayed upon the wall, the images of the Chaldeans pourtrayed with vermilion, Girded with girdles upon their loins, exceeding in dyed attire upon their heads, all of them princes to look to, after the manner of the Babylonians of Chaldea, the land of their nativity: And as soon as she saw them with her eyes, she doted upon them, and sent messengers unto them into Chaldea. And the Babylonians came to her into the bed of love, and they defiled her with their whoredom, and she was polluted with them, and her mind was alienated from them. So she discovered her whoredoms, and discovered her nakedness: then my mind was alienated from her, like as my mind was alienated from her sister. Yet she multiplied her whoredoms, in calling to remembrance the days of her youth, wherein she had played the harlot in the land of Egypt. For she doted upon their paramours, whose flesh is as the flesh (the organ of male) of asses, and whose issue (splash!) is like the issue of horses. Thus thou calledst to remembrance the lewdness (nakedness) of thy youth, in bruising thy teats by the Egyptians for the paps of thy youth.

2 Samuel 11:2-4 "One evening David got up from his bed and walked around on the roof of the palace. From the roof he saw a woman bathing. The woman was very beautiful, and David sent someone to find out about her. The man said, "Isn"t this Bathsheba, the daughter of Eliam and the wife of Uriah the Hittite?" Then David sent messengers to get her. She came to him, and he slept with her

just a few... so christians or jews do you really can read these stuff to your mother/daughter/girlfriend? if not what you are ashamed of? its not the word of God?

Precaution before hand, Islamic scripture contains scenes of death.

Also, your setting your standards of porn to being anything sensitive. Porn is used to entertain. The things described are either poetry to describe a body or historical realistic accounts. If you call this porn, then looking at space in admiration must be porn.
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3/11/2015 5:34:37 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 3/11/2015 3:00:53 PM, Envisage wrote:
What's wrong with porn?

This the so called "word of God" - 2 billion people reading these crap2, the stories you read the mentally you gonna have. reading storied to children about anything you programing the child - rape murder sex incest... when you will have an opportunity they would do the things they read. i no longer wonder why you have phedophiles (priests) in the churches.... reading all day pornography and living as a single... beside that you have priests going to prostitutes on the cover.

beside that its really stupid to believe God revealed pornography to read..
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3/11/2015 5:45:24 PM
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At 3/11/2015 4:51:46 PM, ChristianPunk wrote:

Precaution before hand, Islamic scripture contains scenes of death.

well if its nonsese its nonsense even if its in my religion.... but what kind of "death"? eye for an eye? if you give example it will be better...


Also, your setting your standards of porn to being anything sensitive. Porn is used to entertain. The things described are either poetry to describe a body or historical realistic accounts. If you call this porn, then looking at space in admiration must be porn. here little sample of what i wrote

And the Babylonians came to her into the bed of love, and they defiled her with their whoredom, and she was polluted with them, and her mind was alienated from them. So she discovered her whoredoms, and discovered her nakedness: then my mind was alienated from her, like as my mind was alienated from her sister. Yet she multiplied her whoredoms, in calling to remembrance the days of her youth, wherein she had played the harlot in the land of Egypt. For she doted upon their paramours, whose flesh is as the flesh (the organ of male) of asses, and whose issue (splash!) is like the issue of horses. Thus thou calledst to remembrance the lewdness (nakedness) of thy youth, in bruising thy teats by the Egyptians for the paps of thy youth.

its not porn to you? its not just "describe a body or historical realistic accounts" as a nice definition.. behonest you believe its the word of God can you read this one to your mother/daughter? if you have the guts... if not why you are ashamed of that? its not the word of God? if you ashamed of it you know its not the word of God admit it.
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3/11/2015 7:16:10 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 3/11/2015 5:45:24 PM, POPOO5560 wrote:
At 3/11/2015 4:51:46 PM, ChristianPunk wrote:

Precaution before hand, Islamic scripture contains scenes of death.

well if its nonsese its nonsense even if its in my religion.... but what kind of "death"? eye for an eye? if you give example it will be better...


Also, your setting your standards of porn to being anything sensitive. Porn is used to entertain. The things described are either poetry to describe a body or historical realistic accounts. If you call this porn, then looking at space in admiration must be porn. here little sample of what i wrote

And the Babylonians came to her into the bed of love, and they defiled her with their whoredom, and she was polluted with them, and her mind was alienated from them. So she discovered her whoredoms, and discovered her nakedness: then my mind was alienated from her, like as my mind was alienated from her sister. Yet she multiplied her whoredoms, in calling to remembrance the days of her youth, wherein she had played the harlot in the land of Egypt. For she doted upon their paramours, whose flesh is as the flesh (the organ of male) of asses, and whose issue (splash!) is like the issue of horses. Thus thou calledst to remembrance the lewdness (nakedness) of thy youth, in bruising thy teats by the Egyptians for the paps of thy youth.

its not porn to you? its not just "describe a body or historical realistic accounts" as a nice definition.. behonest you believe its the word of God can you read this one to your mother/daughter? if you have the guts... if not why you are ashamed of that? its not the word of God? if you ashamed of it you know its not the word of God admit it.

No it's not porn, I wouldn't be ashamed to read it to son, daughter of wife. I'm not a liberal sissy who censors the world from my kids and I am not a conservative retard. Tell me, is this porn? This is a text from Philo of Alexandria, a Jewish philosopher.

(37) Moreover, another evil, much greater than that which we have already mentioned, has made its way among and been let loose upon cities, namely, the love of boys, which formerly was accounted a great infamy even to be spoken of, but which sin is a subject of boasting not only to those who practise it, but even to those who suffer it, and who, being accustomed to bearing the affliction of being treated like women, waste away as to both their souls and bodies, not bearing about them a single spark of a manly character to be kindled into a flame, but having even the hair of their heads conspicuously curled and adorned, and having their faces smeared with vermilion, and paint, and things of that kind, and having their eyes pencilled beneath, and having their skins anointed with fragrant perfumes (for in such persons as these a sweet smell is a most seductive quality), and being well appointed in everything that tends to beauty or elegance, are not ashamed to devote their constant study and endeavours to the task of changing their manly character into an effeminate one.

(38) And it is natural for those who obey the law to consider such persons worthy of death, since the law commands that the man-woman who adulterates the precious coinage of his nature shall die without redemption, not allowing him to live a single day, or even a single hour, as he is a disgrace to himself, and to his family, and to his country, and to the whole race of mankind.

(39) And let the man who is devoted to the love of boys submit to the same punishment, since he pursues that pleasure which is contrary to nature, and since, as far as depends upon him, he would make the cities desolate, and void, and empty of all inhabitants, wasting his power of propagating his species, and moreover, being a guide and teacher of those greatest of all evils, unmanliness and effeminate lust, stripping young men of the flower of their beauty, and wasting their prime of life in effeminacy, which he ought rather on the other hand to train to vigour and acts of courage; and last of all, because, like a worthless husbandman, he allows fertile and productive lands to lie fallow, contriving that they shall continue barren, and labours night and day at cultivating that soil from which he never expects any produce at all.

I don't know about you, but there are suggestive words in this. And even when you bring up scents, scents can arouse people from perfume to sweat.

I have so much guts and balls, that I will even tell my kids what happened brutally in the bible. I will show them the graphic depictions of war in the bible and in the modern world. I will even show them the graphic pictures of ISIS if they ask for it. Do I promote it or advise them to do these things? No. I would advise them to study the bible carefully and same with other religious texts.
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3/11/2015 10:29:39 PM
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At 3/11/2015 5:45:24 PM, POPOO5560 wrote:
At 3/11/2015 4:51:46 PM, ChristianPunk wrote:

Precaution before hand, Islamic scripture contains scenes of death.

well if its nonsese its nonsense even if its in my religion.... but what kind of "death"? eye for an eye? if you give example it will be better...


Also, your setting your standards of porn to being anything sensitive. Porn is used to entertain. The things described are either poetry to describe a body or historical realistic accounts. If you call this porn, then looking at space in admiration must be porn. here little sample of what i wrote

And the Babylonians came to her into the bed of love, and they defiled her with their whoredom, and she was polluted with them, and her mind was alienated from them. So she discovered her whoredoms, and discovered her nakedness: then my mind was alienated from her, like as my mind was alienated from her sister. Yet she multiplied her whoredoms, in calling to remembrance the days of her youth, wherein she had played the harlot in the land of Egypt. For she doted upon their paramours, whose flesh is as the flesh (the organ of male) of asses, and whose issue (splash!) is like the issue of horses. Thus thou calledst to remembrance the lewdness (nakedness) of thy youth, in bruising thy teats by the Egyptians for the paps of thy youth.

its not porn to you? its not just "describe a body or historical realistic accounts" as a nice definition.. behonest you believe its the word of God can you read this one to your mother/daughter? if you have the guts... if not why you are ashamed of that? its not the word of God? if you ashamed of it you know its not the word of God admit it.

Poopoo, one of many things you don't know about is the history of puritanism in religions and how puritanism breeds violence in human beings because of blocking normal human sexuality and imposing impossible standards that aren't normal for human beings. You Muhammadan idolators are among the most violent religionists in the world today and it's not surprising to see puritanism being promoted by violent prone Muhammadans whose rage is so easily manufactured by mental laziness allowing Scripts to mold one's value system.

You fear sex because it is freeing the mind of control and that's what Muhammad and all control freaks fear, human freedom so they must stop it where it pops up such as in human sexual relationships. One of these days you'll stop fearing God and realize what a ride you and all Muhammadan clones have been taken on by your idol, Muhammad, a madman bent of world conquest cheating believers with stolen religion of Jews which can't be hidden in from non-Muslims, there's too many of us Jews and Christians around to tell the truth about an Arab thief's robberies of not only people's goods but their beliefs as well. These are the End Times of Abrahamic religions as they all are based on a crazy man's willingness to kill his family to appease an invisible Voice in his head.
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3/11/2015 10:45:05 PM
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Some of what you quoted is poetry description but even the worst one 'teaches' it being a defilement. To pretend such life styles and acts don't happen is to ignore the bad in life.

Ezekiel 23:17-21
And the Babylonians came to her into the bed of love, and they defiled her with their whoring lust. And after she was defiled by them, she turned from them in disgust. 18 When she carried on her whoring so openly and flaunted her nakedness, I turned in disgust from her, as I had turned in disgust from her sister. 19 Yet she increased her whoring, remembering the days of her youth, when she played the whore in the land of Egypt 20 and lusted after her lovers there, whose members were like those of donkeys, and whose issue was like that of horses. 21 Thus you longed for the lewdness of your youth, when the Egyptians handled your bosom and pressed[a] your young breasts

Now I have not read all the context of that story but at least it shows what it is to defile and deems the act whorish. As it entails it is not something that should be engaged in. Now since you are of the Muslim faith how do you reconcile that life style in 'your' paradise? That should be your concern. The Muslim heaven just seems to much of a flesh pleasure nature and does not call it defile or 'whorish'.

Qur'an 56:35-38
Lo! We have created them a (new) creation, And made them virgins, Lovers, friends, For those on the right hand;

Abu Umama narrated: "The Messenger of God said, 'Everyone that God admits into paradise will be married to 72 wives; two of them are houris and seventy of his inheritance of the [female] dwellers of hell. All of them will have libidinous sex organs and he will have an ever-erect penis.' "

Sunan Ibn Majah, Zuhd (Book of Abstinence) 39

It was mentioned by Daraj Ibn Abi Hatim, that Abu al-Haytham 'Adullah Ibn Wahb narrated from Abu Sa'id al-Khudhri, who heard the Prophet Muhammad PBUH saying, 'The smallest reward for the people of Heaven is an abode where there are eighty thousand servants and seventy-two houri, over which stands a dome decorated with pearls, aquamarine and ruby, as wide as the distance from al-Jabiyyah to San'a.

Al-Tirmidhi, Vol. 4, Ch. 21, No. 2687

Each time we sleep with a Houri we find her virgin. Besides, the penis of the Elected never softens. The erection is eternal; the sensation that you feel each time you make love is utterly delicious and out of this world and were you to experience it in this world you would faint. Each chosen one [i.e. Muslim] will marry seventy [sic] houris, besides the women he married on earth, and all will have appetizing vaginas.

Al-Itqan fi Ulum al-Qur'an, p. 351

Anas said, Allah be well-pleased with him: The Messenger of Allah said, upon him blessings and peace: "The servant in Paradise shall be married with seventy wives." Someone said, "Messenger of Allah, can he bear it?" He said: "He will be given strength for a hundred." From Zayd ibn Arqam, Allah be well-pleased with him, when an incredulous Jew or Christian asked the Prophet, upon him blessings and peace, "Are you claiming that a man will eat and drink in Paradise??" He replied: "Yes, by the One in Whose hand is my soul, and each of them will be given the strength of a hundred men in his eating, drinking, coitus, and pleasure."

Sifat al-Janna, al-`Uqayli in the Du`afa", and Musnad of Abu Bakr al-Bazzar

Qur'an 78:33
and maidens with swelling breasts, like of age,


They meant by this that the breasts of these girls will be fully rounded and not sagging, because they will be virgins, equal in age.

Qur'an 4:57
And (as for) those who believe and do good deeds, We will make them enter gardens beneath which rivers flow, to abide in them for ever; they shall have therein pure mates, and We shall make them enter a dense shade.

And the Woman of the muslim faith if they have swelling breasts for the men. It does not take to much imagination on what they will get in return since it says they will get whatever they want.

You have set yourself up for a bad double standard. At least in the worst one that you picked from the Bible declares it a 'defile' and 'whorish' ways or acts.

But this seems to be a representative of the paradise of the muslim faith to begin with.
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3/11/2015 10:58:32 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 3/11/2015 3:37:23 PM, triangle.128k wrote:
At 3/11/2015 3:31:46 PM, dhardage wrote:
At 3/11/2015 3:25:57 PM, triangle.128k wrote:
At 3/11/2015 3:24:40 PM, Envisage wrote:
At 3/11/2015 3:23:36 PM, triangle.128k wrote:
At 3/11/2015 3:00:53 PM, Envisage wrote:
What's wrong with porn?

Studies suggest that porn may have some negative effects on the brain by overstimulating "reward chemicals" such as dopamine or serotonin.

I like my reward chemicals...

I mean it literally over-stimulates them and exhausts the supply of them. It also potentially damages some of the receptors.

Please cite that study or studies.

http://archpsyc.jamanetwork.com...

There's many more aswell, google it.

It's relieving to find someone who can cite a simple paper.

Anyway, that paper doesn't say anything like what you're saying. They did find a two neural differences, but they also acknowledge that they can't determine causation with this study. Still, interesting.

Also, neurotransmitters don't get 'exhausted'. They get up-regulated or down-regulated.
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3/11/2015 11:13:13 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
This is why I'm a Christian and follow Jesus and only Jesus. Since we are on the topic of sexual acts.

For adultery or fornication.
Quran 24:2
The woman and the man guilty of adultery or fornication,- flog each of them with a hundred stripes: Let not compassion move you in their case, in a matter prescribed by Allah, if ye believe in Allah and the Last Day: and let a party of the Believers witness their punishment.


Also there are some Quran interpretations that keep the stoning to death for married couples.

Mohsin Khan: The woman and the man guilty of illegal sexual intercourse, flog each of them with a hundred stripes. Let not pity withhold you in their case, in a punishment prescribed by Allah, if you believe in Allah and the Last Day. And let a party of the believers witness their punishment. (This punishment is for unmarried persons guilty of the above crime but if married persons commit it, the punishment is to stone them to death, according to Allah's Law).

What type of punishment did Jesus do on the woman caught in adultery?

John 8:9-11
9 At this, those who heard began to go away one at a time, the older ones first, until only Jesus was left, with the woman still standing there. 10 Jesus straightened up and asked her, "Woman, where are they? Has no one condemned you?"
11 "No one, sir," she said."Then neither do I condemn you," Jesus declared. "Go now and leave your life of sin."

Answer:Nothing no punishment. The New Testament reveals the greater revelation of Jesus Christ is the way to go.
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3/12/2015 4:14:49 AM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 3/11/2015 5:34:37 PM, POPOO5560 wrote:
At 3/11/2015 3:00:53 PM, Envisage wrote:
What's wrong with porn?

This the so called "word of God" - 2 billion people reading these crap

And we have 1.4 billion people hearing that God cares about what meat you eat, where and when you pray, and in what position, and the length of your beard - lol?? Islamic God is at least as absurd.

2, the stories you read the mentally you gonna have. reading storied to children about anything you programing the child - rape murder sex incest...

I have read the first 15 Suras of the Wu'ran, and I will eventually finish when I can be bothered to pick it up again. But I read sura after sura threatening nonbelievers, over and over and over and over again. Moreover, I think you need to look at child marriage statistics, since paedophilia is rife in Islam. All the top child marriage prevail ande countries are Islamic. Niger, Chad, Mali, Bangladesh Guinea

when you will have an opportunity they would do the things they read.

Stop making stuff up, lol.

i no longer wonder why you have phedophiles (priests) in the churches.... reading all day pornography and living as a single... beside that you have priests going to prostitutes on the cover.

Porn is bad, but child marriage is worse? Okay....

beside that its really stupid to believe God revealed pornography to read..

It is really stupid what all Abrahamic Gods allegedly reveal.
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3/12/2015 4:36:03 AM
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At 3/12/2015 4:14:49 AM, Envisage wrote:
And we have 1.4 billion people hearing that God cares about what meat you eat, where and when you pray, and in what position, and the length of your beard - lol?? Islamic God is at least as absurd.

- You have a different worldview, we get it.

I have read the first 15 Suras of the Qu'ran, and I will eventually finish when I can be bothered to pick it up again. But I read sura after sura threatening nonbelievers, over and over and over and over again.

- How long are the 15 first Surats?

Moreover, I think you need to look at child marriage statistics, since paedophilia is rife in Islam. All the top child marriage prevail ande countries are Islamic. Niger, Chad, Mali, Bangladesh Guinea

- LoL, I am guessing you're used to lying by now.

Porn is bad, but child marriage is worse? Okay....

- Stop with the propaganda.
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3/12/2015 4:50:52 AM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 3/11/2015 2:58:41 PM, POPOO5560 wrote:
How you deal with these passages between yourself (be honest..) and your relatives/friend/mother...?

here some little samples what i mean by free Pornography you dont have to search on Google its Halal/Kosher/Permissible in the Bible free of charge:

Precaution before hand - children dont read this!!

There is so many passages i choose few randomly... from Songs of Salomon (acually you must read the whole thing from chapter 1 to 8 it would hallucinate you)

7:2-4
How beautiful are your feet in sandals,
O noble daughter!
Your rounded thighs are like jewels,
the work of a master hand.
2 Your navel is a rounded bowl
that never lacks mixed wine.
Your belly is a heap of wheat,
encircled with lilies.
3 Your two breasts are like two fawns,
twins of a gazelle.
4 Your neck is like an ivory tower.

chapter 8

Oh that you were like a brother to me
who nursed at my mother's breasts!
If I found you outside, I would kiss you,
and none would despise me.
2 I would lead you and bring you
into the house of my mother"
she who used to teach me.
I would give you spiced wine to drink,
the juice of my pomegranate.
(:D:D)
3 His left hand is under my head,
and his right hand embraces me!
4 I adjure you, O daughters of Jerusalem,
that you not stir up or awaken love
until it pleases.
5 Who is that coming up from the wilderness,
leaning on her beloved?
Under the apple tree I awakened you.
There your mother was in labor with you;
there she who bore you was in labor.
6 Set me as a seal upon your heart,
as a seal upon your arm,
for love is strong as death,
jealousy[a] is fierce as the grave.[b]
Its flashes are flashes of fire,
the very flame of the Lord.
7 Many waters cannot quench love,
neither can floods drown it.
If a man offered for love
all the wealth of his house,
he[c] would be utterly despised.
We have a little sister,
and she has no breasts.
What shall we do for our sister
on the day when she is spoken for?
9 If she is a wall,
we will build on her a battlement of silver,
but if she is a door,
we will enclose her with boards of cedar.
She

10 I was a wall,
and my breasts were like towers;
...

chapter 5:8
5:4 "I slept but my heart was awake. Listen! My lover is knocking: 'Open to me, my sister, my darling, my dove, my flawless one. My head is drenched with dew, my hair with the dampness of the night.' I have taken off my robe must I put it on again? I have washed my feet, must I soil them again? My lover thrust his hand through the latch-opening; my heart began to pound for him."

Ezekiel 11-21
And when her sister Aholibah saw this, she was more corrupt in her inordinate love than she, and in her whoredoms more than her sister in her whoredoms. She doted upon the Assyrians her neighbours, captains and rulers clothed most gorgeously, horsemen riding upon horses, all of them desirable young men. Then I saw that she was defiled, that they took both one way, And that she increased her whoredoms: for when she saw men pourtrayed upon the wall, the images of the Chaldeans pourtrayed with vermilion, Girded with girdles upon their loins, exceeding in dyed attire upon their heads, all of them princes to look to, after the manner of the Babylonians of Chaldea, the land of their nativity: And as soon as she saw them with her eyes, she doted upon them, and sent messengers unto them into Chaldea. And the Babylonians came to her into the bed of love, and they defiled her with their whoredom, and she was polluted with them, and her mind was alienated from them. So she discovered her whoredoms, and discovered her nakedness: then my mind was alienated from her, like as my mind was alienated from her sister. Yet she multiplied her whoredoms, in calling to remembrance the days of her youth, wherein she had played the harlot in the land of Egypt. For she doted upon their paramours, whose flesh is as the flesh (the organ of male) of asses, and whose issue (splash!) is like the issue of horses. Thus thou calledst to remembrance the lewdness (nakedness) of thy youth, in bruising thy teats by the Egyptians for the paps of thy youth.

2 Samuel 11:2-4 "One evening David got up from his bed and walked around on the roof of the palace. From the roof he saw a woman bathing. The woman was very beautiful, and David sent someone to find out about her. The man said, "Isn"t this Bathsheba, the daughter of Eliam and the wife of Uriah the Hittite?" Then David sent messengers to get her. She came to him, and he slept with her

just a few... so christians or jews do you really can read these stuff to your mother/daughter/girlfriend? if not what you are ashamed of? its not the word of God?

- It's not a good idea to criticise the Book of another Religion, for it incites hate. & it's only permissible if the adversary does it first, or if you wanna make a scholarly argument.
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3/12/2015 5:09:31 AM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 3/12/2015 4:36:03 AM, YassineB wrote:
At 3/12/2015 4:14:49 AM, Envisage wrote:
And we have 1.4 billion people hearing that God cares about what meat you eat, where and when you pray, and in what position, and the length of your beard - lol?? Islamic God is at least as absurd.

- You have a different worldview, we get it.

So, the OP states his opinion, I state mine and claim that Islam is absurd n(using the same method the OP used) and you respond to me with a rebuke, and not the OP. Lol... Do you actually have a valid point here?

I have read the first 15 Suras of the Qu'ran, and I will eventually finish when I can be bothered to pick it up again. But I read sura after sura threatening nonbelievers, over and over and over and over again.

- How long are the 15 first Surats?

Roughly 100 verses each, and it;'s about ~1/3 of the pages I have. So still have a long way before I am done. Why?

Moreover, I think you need to look at child marriage statistics, since paedophilia is rife in Islam. All the top child marriage prevail ande countries are Islamic. Niger, Chad, Mali, Bangladesh Guinea

- LoL, I am guessing you're used to lying by now.

Are you freaking kidding me Yassine. I am stating facts:
Child Marriages by Nation
http://www.icrw.org...

Niger:
36% married before 15, 74.5% before 18%
http://www.unicef.org...
94% of population is Islamic

Bangladesh
29% before 15, 65% before 18
http://www.unicef.org...
90% Islamic

Chad:
29% before 15, 68% before 18
53% Islam

And the lower down countries:
Pakistan:
6.7% before 15, 24% before 18
http://data.unicef.org...
97% Population Islam

Etc. etc. etc.

Porn is bad, but child marriage is worse? Okay....

- Stop with the propaganda.

I am highlighting how absurd the OP is, sorry you don't like me doing that. Perhaps you should attack the OP for being absurd too, unless you agree with him? In which case, you are also absurd.
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3/12/2015 5:34:06 AM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 3/12/2015 5:09:31 AM, Envisage wrote:
So, the OP states his opinion, I state mine and claim that Islam is absurd n(using the same method the OP used) and you respond to me with a rebuke, and not the OP. Lol... Do you actually have a valid point here?

- Yes, you have no argument, that's my point.

Roughly 100 verses each, and it;'s about ~1/3 of the pages I have. So still have a long way before I am done. Why?

- I very much doubt you read any of them. The info is grossly inaccurate.

Are you freaking kidding me Yassine. I am stating facts:
Child Marriages by Nation
http://www.icrw.org...

- Yeah, we're all aware of these propagandist western statistics. Here is what they do:
> Norms => Legal Action (set the minimum age for marriage to 18 or 15 or something) => Social Consensus => You know what? Let's apply this for the World.
=> An analogy would be like some Lions eating zebra meat & making statistics how Elephants have bad nutrition habits.
- What a childish idea!! LoL. Plus, the stats you brought are Marriage under 18, which by the way exists widely in the West too. Calling that Child Marriage is a gross misrepresentation, do they think us fools or something, I am even more surprise at you for even considering these nonessential statistics.

Niger:
36% married before 15, 74.5% before 18%
http://www.unicef.org...
94% of population is Islamic

Bangladesh
29% before 15, 65% before 18
http://www.unicef.org...
90% Islamic

Chad:
29% before 15, 68% before 18
53% Islam

And the lower down countries:
Pakistan:
6.7% before 15, 24% before 18
http://data.unicef.org...
97% Population Islam

- Seriously Envisage?! You know we are not in a debate, you don't HAVE to lie.
- BTW, You missed half the World, starting with South Asia & the entire Sub-Saharan Africa.

Etc. etc. etc.

- You either think I am blind, or a fool!!!!

I am highlighting how absurd the OP is, sorry you don't like me doing that. Perhaps you should attack the OP for being absurd too, unless you agree with him? In which case, you are also absurd.

- I don't like attacking Religious Beliefs & especially the Scriptures of other Religions, unless it is necessary.
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3/12/2015 5:36:42 AM
Posted: 1 year ago
The Bible has more references to sex in it that any other book. The Biblical 'heroes' seemed spend their lives at the activity. The females they had sex with would probably be considered under the age of consent today!
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3/12/2015 6:09:55 AM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 3/12/2015 5:34:06 AM, YassineB wrote:
At 3/12/2015 5:09:31 AM, Envisage wrote:
So, the OP states his opinion, I state mine and claim that Islam is absurd n(using the same method the OP used) and you respond to me with a rebuke, and not the OP. Lol... Do you actually have a valid point here?

- Yes, you have no argument, that's my point.

I am not making one, I am rebuking the OP.

Roughly 100 verses each, and it;'s about ~1/3 of the pages I have. So still have a long way before I am done. Why?

- I very much doubt you read any of them. The info is grossly inaccurate.

Are you freaking kidding me. Perhaps my translation is bad (I use SAQ or quran.com, quran is probably more accurate but SAQ contains annotations and is much easier to scroll through), but I remember reading dozens and dozens instances in just The Cow, and about that many in the next ~5 sura, and by ~15 I got so annoyed I put it down. The Qur'an is very argumentative, it exhausts me, lol. I had to stop looking these references up since I was hitting them every few verses and I was making no progress. Wtf.

Are you freaking kidding me Yassine. I am stating facts:
Child Marriages by Nation
http://www.icrw.org...

- Yeah, we're all aware of these propagandist western statistics. Here is what they do:

So... conspiracy claim... ok lol.

> Norms => Legal Action (set the minimum age for marriage to 18 or 15 or something) => Social Consensus => You know what? Let's apply this for the World.
=> An analogy would be like some Lions eating zebra meat & making statistics how Elephants have bad nutrition habits.

False analogy, we are all the same species. LoL. The OP attacked pornography, so he making some general absurdity statement, based on his views, so I make a rival statement based on my views. Context Yassine. But then according to Islam, if God said raping kids if OK, then it would be good according to you, your moral system is quite arbitrary.

You say say "idgaf" about what other people think of our practices, but other people do give a f. You are welcome to not like it, but you don't have an argument for people that have something to say.

- What a childish idea!! LoL. Plus, the stats you brought are Marriage under 18, which by the way exists widely in the West too. Calling that Child Marriage is a gross misrepresentation, do they think us fools or something, I am even more surprise at you for even considering these nonessential statistics.

I gave under-15 statistics, but you ignored these. The statistics for even younger are not particularly accurate, although it wouldn't surprise me if those numbers were high too.

Niger:
36% married before 15, 74.5% before 18%
http://www.unicef.org...
94% of population is Islamic

Bangladesh
29% before 15, 65% before 18
http://www.unicef.org...
90% Islamic

Chad:
29% before 15, 68% before 18
53% Islam

And the lower down countries:
Pakistan:
6.7% before 15, 24% before 18
http://data.unicef.org...
97% Population Islam

- Seriously Envisage?! You know we are not in a debate, you don't HAVE to lie.

Wtf, I didn't invent these statistics, they are in the public sphere. Can you stop making retarded accusations about my honesty, it's getting pretty old. I gave you sources for each of those statistics. Stop knee-jerk reacting.

- BTW, You missed half the World, starting with South Asia & the entire Sub-Saharan Africa.

I just went through the top 5 highest incidence numbers on that list. If Islam was inherently against child marriage then we wouldn't expect it to predominantly occupy the highest spots, yet it does.

Etc. etc. etc.

- You either think I am blind, or a fool!!!!

I gave you the links for you to read Yassine.

I am highlighting how absurd the OP is, sorry you don't like me doing that. Perhaps you should attack the OP for being absurd too, unless you agree with him? In which case, you are also absurd.

- I don't like attacking Religious Beliefs & especially the Scriptures of other Religions, unless it is necessary.

So you agree the OP is absurd.
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3/12/2015 6:32:46 AM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 3/11/2015 7:16:10 PM, ChristianPunk wrote:
At 3/11/2015 5:45:24 PM, POPOO5560 wrote:
At 3/11/2015 4:51:46 PM, ChristianPunk wrote:

Precaution before hand, Islamic scripture contains scenes of death.

well if its nonsese its nonsense even if its in my religion.... but what kind of "death"? eye for an eye? if you give example it will be better...


Also, your setting your standards of porn to being anything sensitive. Porn is used to entertain. The things described are either poetry to describe a body or historical realistic accounts. If you call this porn, then looking at space in admiration must be porn. here little sample of what i wrote

And the Babylonians came to her into the bed of love, and they defiled her with their whoredom, and she was polluted with them, and her mind was alienated from them. So she discovered her whoredoms, and discovered her nakedness: then my mind was alienated from her, like as my mind was alienated from her sister. Yet she multiplied her whoredoms, in calling to remembrance the days of her youth, wherein she had played the harlot in the land of Egypt. For she doted upon their paramours, whose flesh is as the flesh (the organ of male) of asses, and whose issue (splash!) is like the issue of horses. Thus thou calledst to remembrance the lewdness (nakedness) of thy youth, in bruising thy teats by the Egyptians for the paps of thy youth.

its not porn to you? its not just "describe a body or historical realistic accounts" as a nice definition.. behonest you believe its the word of God can you read this one to your mother/daughter? if you have the guts... if not why you are ashamed of that? its not the word of God? if you ashamed of it you know its not the word of God admit it.

No it's not porn, I wouldn't be ashamed to read it to son, daughter of wife. I'm not a liberal sissy who censors the world from my kids and I am not a conservative retard. Tell me, is this porn? This is a text from Philo of Alexandria, a Jewish philosopher.

(37) Moreover, another evil, much greater than that which we have already mentioned, has made its way among and been let loose upon cities, namely, the love of boys, which formerly was accounted a great infamy even to be spoken of, but which sin is a subject of boasting not only to those who practise it, but even to those who suffer it, and who, being accustomed to bearing the affliction of being treated like women, waste away as to both their souls and bodies, not bearing about them a single spark of a manly character to be kindled into a flame, but having even the hair of their heads conspicuously curled and adorned, and having their faces smeared with vermilion, and paint, and things of that kind, and having their eyes pencilled beneath, and having their skins anointed with fragrant perfumes (for in such persons as these a sweet smell is a most seductive quality), and being well appointed in everything that tends to beauty or elegance, are not ashamed to devote their constant study and endeavours to the task of changing their manly character into an effeminate one.

(38) And it is natural for those who obey the law to consider such persons worthy of death, since the law commands that the man-woman who adulterates the precious coinage of his nature shall die without redemption, not allowing him to live a single day, or even a single hour, as he is a disgrace to himself, and to his family, and to his country, and to the whole race of mankind.

(39) And let the man who is devoted to the love of boys submit to the same punishment, since he pursues that pleasure which is contrary to nature, and since, as far as depends upon him, he would make the cities desolate, and void, and empty of all inhabitants, wasting his power of propagating his species, and moreover, being a guide and teacher of those greatest of all evils, unmanliness and effeminate lust, stripping young men of the flower of their beauty, and wasting their prime of life in effeminacy, which he ought rather on the other hand to train to vigour and acts of courage; and last of all, because, like a worthless husbandman, he allows fertile and productive lands to lie fallow, contriving that they shall continue barren, and labours night and day at cultivating that soil from which he never expects any produce at all.

I don't know about you, but there are suggestive words in this. And even when you bring up scents, scents can arouse people from perfume to sweat.

If its mentions explicit sexual acts its belong to porn, im not going to judge now texts.


I have so much guts and balls, that I will even tell my kids what happened brutally in the bible. I will show them the graphic depictions of war in the bible and in the modern world. I will even show them the graphic pictures of ISIS if they ask for it. Do I promote it or advise them to do these things? No. I would advise them to study the bible carefully and same with other religious texts.

well your privilege.... and we have show them whats going on in the world, im not speaking about that but read as a word of God explicit sexual acts? rape? you gonna read to your daughter Ezekiel c.23?
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3/12/2015 6:46:45 AM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 3/12/2015 6:09:55 AM, Envisage wrote:
Are you freaking kidding me. Perhaps my translation is bad (I use SAQ or quran.com, quran is probably more accurate but SAQ contains annotations and is much easier to scroll through), but I remember reading dozens and dozens instances in just The Cow, and about that many in the next ~5 sura, and by ~15 I got so annoyed I put it down. The Qur'an is very argumentative, it exhausts me, lol. I had to stop looking these references up since I was hitting them every few verses and I was making no progress. Wtf.

- So you didn't really read it, you just picked from here & there?

So... conspiracy claim... ok lol.

- Conspiracy =/= Propaganda.

False analogy, we are all the same species. LoL.

- I knew it, you have no idea how Analogical Reasoning works. It's the aspect of analogy that counts, you take two particulars that have two correlated qualities, such that one infers a proposition based on the one quality, & you conclude that the other also ought to infer a proposition that is equally correlated to the said one.
=> The correlation here is the basis of the Aspect of Analogy, & this correlation can take 8 forms, including: identity, implication, restriction . . .
- Here the standards of the Lions are different from those of the Elephants, & that's the aspect of analogy.

The OP attacked pornography, so he making some general absurdity statement, based on his views, so I make a rival statement based on my views. Context Yassine.

- I have not read the OP, as I disagree with the initiative.

But then according to Islam, if God said raping kids if OK, then it would be good according to you, your moral system is quite arbitrary.

- Not quite. You're confusing the Act of Design, & the Design itself. God's Acts are absolutely Arbitrary to Him, but not to us. Meaning: How God choses to design His Design is His decision, but how the Design looks is another thing.

You say say "idgaf" about what other people think of our practices, but other people do give a f. You are welcome to not like it, but you don't have an argument for people that have something to say.

- I do have an argument, which makes what they say absurd propaganda.

I gave under-15 statistics, but you ignored these. The statistics for even younger are not particularly accurate, although it wouldn't surprise me if those numbers were high too.

- 18, 15, what's the difference. A century ago, you'd found that half the population probably married at less than 15.

Wtf, I didn't invent these statistics, they are in the public sphere. Can you stop making retarded accusations about my honesty, it's getting pretty old. I gave you sources for each of those statistics. Stop knee-jerk reacting.

- I'll stop when you stop showing it. What you did here is exactly what you did in the debate, make claims & bring sources that contradict your claims.
- Your claim was about so called 'child' marriage being rampant in muslim countries, which is grossly inaccurate even according to your own source, for the simple fact is, this observation is true in half the World particularly in South Asia & the entire Sub-Saharan Africa, which countries are mostly not muslim. Thus, Islam has nothing to do with it, the culture does.
=> & lying about the content of the source is also lying.

I gave you the links for you to read Yassine.

- I am not too sure, you probably gotten used to people not checking your sources. The source contradict your claim, it's as simple as that.

So you agree the OP is absurd.

- I disagree with the initiative. Criticising other people's beliefs & Scriptures is not permissible unless with a valid reason, for it incites hate. & I don't like it.
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3/12/2015 7:08:18 AM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 3/11/2015 10:45:05 PM, seeu46 wrote:
Some of what you quoted is poetry description but even the worst one 'teaches' it being a defilement. To pretend such life styles and acts don't happen is to ignore the bad in life.

Ezekiel 23:17-21
And the Babylonians came to her into the bed of love, and they defiled her with their whoring lust. And after she was defiled by them, she turned from them in disgust. 18 When she carried on her whoring so openly and flaunted her nakedness, I turned in disgust from her, as I had turned in disgust from her sister. 19 Yet she increased her whoring, remembering the days of her youth, when she played the whore in the land of Egypt 20 and lusted after her lovers there, whose members were like those of donkeys, and whose issue was like that of horses. 21 Thus you longed for the lewdness of your youth, when the Egyptians handled your bosom and pressed[a] your young breasts


Now I have not read all the context of that story but at least it shows what it is to defile and deems the act whorish. As it entails it is not something that should be engaged in. Now since you are of the Muslim faith how do you reconcile that life style in 'your' paradise? That should be your concern. The Muslim heaven just seems to much of a flesh pleasure nature and does not call it defile or 'whorish'.

Qur'an 56:35-38
Lo! We have created them a (new) creation, And made them virgins, Lovers, friends, For those on the right hand;

How do you compare a passage from the Quran saying they will be new creation (in paradise) ,virgins,Lovers,friends for the rightness to explicit sexual acts in the Bible? rape? incest? having sex with 10 of his father's wifes (actually his mothers)?




Abu Umama narrated: "The Messenger of God said, 'Everyone that God admits into paradise will be married to 72 wives; two of them are houris and seventy of his inheritance of the [female] dwellers of hell. All of them will have libidinous sex organs and he will have an ever-erect penis.' "

Sunan Ibn Majah, Zuhd (Book of Abstinence) 39

It was mentioned by Daraj Ibn Abi Hatim, that Abu al-Haytham 'Adullah Ibn Wahb narrated from Abu Sa'id al-Khudhri, who heard the Prophet Muhammad PBUH saying, 'The smallest reward for the people of Heaven is an abode where there are eighty thousand servants and seventy-two houri, over which stands a dome decorated with pearls, aquamarine and ruby, as wide as the distance from al-Jabiyyah to San'a.

Al-Tirmidhi, Vol. 4, Ch. 21, No. 2687

Each time we sleep with a Houri we find her virgin. Besides, the penis of the Elected never softens. The erection is eternal; the sensation that you feel each time you make love is utterly delicious and out of this world and were you to experience it in this world you would faint. Each chosen one [i.e. Muslim] will marry seventy [sic] houris, besides the women he married on earth, and all will have appetizing vaginas.

Al-Itqan fi Ulum al-Qur'an, p. 351

Anas said, Allah be well-pleased with him: The Messenger of Allah said, upon him blessings and peace: "The servant in Paradise shall be married with seventy wives." Someone said, "Messenger of Allah, can he bear it?" He said: "He will be given strength for a hundred." From Zayd ibn Arqam, Allah be well-pleased with him, when an incredulous Jew or Christian asked the Prophet, upon him blessings and peace, "Are you claiming that a man will eat and drink in Paradise??" He replied: "Yes, by the One in Whose hand is my soul, and each of them will be given the strength of a hundred men in his eating, drinking, coitus, and pleasure."


All the Hadiths about "72" virgins are unauthentic they are fabrications. you just copied from wikislam did you?

Sifat al-Janna, al-`Uqayli in the Du`afa", and Musnad of Abu Bakr al-Bazzar

Qur'an 78:33
and maidens with swelling breasts, like of age,


They meant by this that the breasts of these girls will be fully rounded and not sagging, because they will be virgins, equal in age.

in the Quran the 2 word "swelling breasts" are not there its says: and splendid companions well matched/same age, some give a definition of what "splendid companions" means, so you mistranslated it.

Qur'an 4:57
And (as for) those who believe and do good deeds, We will make them enter gardens beneath which rivers flow, to abide in them for ever; they shall have therein pure mates, and We shall make them enter a dense shade.

whats wrong for a promise of women in paradise? what it has to do with explicit sexual acts? how do you compare it lol.


And the Woman of the muslim faith if they have swelling breasts for the men. It does not take to much imagination on what they will get in return since it says they will get whatever they want.

"swelling breasts" is not there bump.




You have set yourself up for a bad double standard. At least in the worst one that you picked from the Bible declares it a 'defile' and 'whorish' ways or acts.

But this seems to be a representative of the paradise of the muslim faith to begin with.

no the bible is full of explicit pornography that you cant even read to your daughter. thats the differences, there are women in paradise for the believers and pornography is not the same.
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