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q3qerf34rf
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3/14/2015 7:28:17 AM
Posted: 1 year ago
Religion as a belief system is unchanging, yet has obvious flaws and makes no reference to knowledge regarding existence beyond what was known at the time.

When it comes to an intellectual argument of any other nature, the flaws themselves would be enough to disprove religion as a whole, yet masses still believe it on the basis you can't disprove a higher power. An acclaimed objective answer has flaws, therefore you look for another, you don't ignore them.

To put it in mathematical terms God is a solution for the value of X with no explanation of how or why.

Science creates theories which are adaptive until objective, yet religion uses the holes in incomplete theories as reasoning why there own flawed system is true. Conceptually that is just backward, 2+2 not equalling 7 doesn't all of a sudden mean it's equal to 6.

So my question is, whilst the concept of a higher power (god/creator of some kind) is at this point in time, entirely subjective, how is anyone still peddling the possibility of "man made" religions?
RuvDraba
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3/14/2015 9:23:01 AM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 3/14/2015 7:28:17 AM, q3qerf34rf wrote:
how is anyone still peddling the possibility of "man made" religions?

Science seeks a better class of truth through a better grade of evidence.

But theology is the art of seeking evidence to shape and engage credence.

So: inform people of difficult, disagreeable facts won through complex investigations, or flatter them and engage their anxieties, then soothe them for coin -- which is likely to be more popular?

That's not a rhetorical question: it depends on how much you invest in science education (as opposed to, for example, religious indoctrination masquerading as science.)

By way of indication, currently, more than 82% of the US population considers religion important -- a developing-world level of religiosity between Lebanon and Mexico. Yet half the population can't say what a molecule is.
bornofgod
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3/14/2015 9:31:35 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 3/14/2015 7:28:17 AM, q3qerf34rf wrote:
Religion as a belief system is unchanging, yet has obvious flaws and makes no reference to knowledge regarding existence beyond what was known at the time.

When it comes to an intellectual argument of any other nature, the flaws themselves would be enough to disprove religion as a whole, yet masses still believe it on the basis you can't disprove a higher power. An acclaimed objective answer has flaws, therefore you look for another, you don't ignore them.

To put it in mathematical terms God is a solution for the value of X with no explanation of how or why.

Science creates theories which are adaptive until objective, yet religion uses the holes in incomplete theories as reasoning why there own flawed system is true. Conceptually that is just backward, 2+2 not equalling 7 doesn't all of a sudden mean it's equal to 6.

So my question is, whilst the concept of a higher power (god/creator of some kind) is at this point in time, entirely subjective, how is anyone still peddling the possibility of "man made" religions?

If God hadn't have had His people build false gods ( things built with human hands ), no religions would exist. Think of all the religious groups there are now protecting their false gods they built.
debate_power
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4/29/2015 5:36:30 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 3/14/2015 9:31:35 PM, bornofgod wrote:
At 3/14/2015 7:28:17 AM, q3qerf34rf wrote:
Religion as a belief system is unchanging, yet has obvious flaws and makes no reference to knowledge regarding existence beyond what was known at the time.

When it comes to an intellectual argument of any other nature, the flaws themselves would be enough to disprove religion as a whole, yet masses still believe it on the basis you can't disprove a higher power. An acclaimed objective answer has flaws, therefore you look for another, you don't ignore them.

To put it in mathematical terms God is a solution for the value of X with no explanation of how or why.

Science creates theories which are adaptive until objective, yet religion uses the holes in incomplete theories as reasoning why there own flawed system is true. Conceptually that is just backward, 2+2 not equalling 7 doesn't all of a sudden mean it's equal to 6.

So my question is, whilst the concept of a higher power (god/creator of some kind) is at this point in time, entirely subjective, how is anyone still peddling the possibility of "man made" religions?

If God hadn't have had His people build false gods ( things built with human hands ), no religions would exist. Think of all the religious groups there are now protecting their false gods they built.

Yes, and what exactly was the point in God's allowing for other religions? Can you answer that?
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RuvDraba
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4/29/2015 6:22:05 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 3/14/2015 7:28:17 AM, q3qerf34rf wrote:
Religion as a belief system is unchanging, yet has obvious flaws and makes no reference to knowledge regarding existence beyond what was known at the time.

That's not quite true, QQ. Theology changes according to religious politics, which although slow-moving, is also cynical and facile. Among some Christian theological changes over the last century, for example, are:

* God punishes unbaptised infants -- wait, no He doesn't (Roman Catholicism.)
* God can't possibly recognise and tolerate female clergy -- wait, yes He can (Anglicanism, Methodists)
* God can't possibly approve of contraception -- wait, yes He might (Roman Catholicism)
* God can't possibly sanctify gay marriage -- wait, yes He can (Canadian Anglicanism, US Presbyterian)

Scripture too changes -- or rather its canon. Different versions of scripture include different meanings and can omit phrases, whole sentences or even paragraphs for largely political reasons. Samples can be found at: http://av1611.com... and http://av1611.com...

When it comes to an intellectual argument of any other nature, the flaws themselves would be enough to disprove religion as a whole,

Religion claims truth with very little accountability for how its claims were produced, documented transmitted or verified, so its changes in doctrine and canon have very little integrity.

But religious adherence depends less on theological integrity, and more on the faith of your family and the relationship you had with your father, so the clergy can get away with some egregious backflips from time to time, as long as they sell them carefully.
bornofgod
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4/29/2015 8:37:32 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 4/29/2015 5:36:30 PM, debate_power wrote:
At 3/14/2015 9:31:35 PM, bornofgod wrote:
At 3/14/2015 7:28:17 AM, q3qerf34rf wrote:
Religion as a belief system is unchanging, yet has obvious flaws and makes no reference to knowledge regarding existence beyond what was known at the time.

When it comes to an intellectual argument of any other nature, the flaws themselves would be enough to disprove religion as a whole, yet masses still believe it on the basis you can't disprove a higher power. An acclaimed objective answer has flaws, therefore you look for another, you don't ignore them.

To put it in mathematical terms God is a solution for the value of X with no explanation of how or why.

Science creates theories which are adaptive until objective, yet religion uses the holes in incomplete theories as reasoning why there own flawed system is true. Conceptually that is just backward, 2+2 not equalling 7 doesn't all of a sudden mean it's equal to 6.

So my question is, whilst the concept of a higher power (god/creator of some kind) is at this point in time, entirely subjective, how is anyone still peddling the possibility of "man made" religions?

If God hadn't have had His people build false gods ( things built with human hands ), no religions would exist. Think of all the religious groups there are now protecting their false gods they built.

Yes, and what exactly was the point in God's allowing for other religions? Can you answer that? : :

The term "religion" is not defined properly in man's dictionaries. From our Creator's perspective, a religion is nothing but a group of people who are protecting and experience life around a false god that they build. So think of Apple corporation as a religion that is protecting and living around many false gods that they have built. All the Apple customers are followers of the Apple leaders and hold up them up as their Kings on earth.

All religions started forming around each false god that was built with human hands but eventually, these religious groups combined into bigger religions by following a certain individual such as Abraham, St. Jesus, Mohammad, Joseph Smith, Calvin, Luther, etc.

Most of the people in this world are involved in religions, whether they are corporate, single proprietorship, or profit-free enterprises.

We saints act alone without joining anyone's false gods or religious groups surrounding them or the spokesman of the group.