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3/19/2015 7:30:46 AM
Posted: 1 year ago
And their confusion.

That is the sort of confusion that is caused by the false teaching that Christ was also God, in other words the Trinity teaching and it's variants.

It was not God who came to earth and took on a body of flesh and blood, it was his son.

Literally his son, his first and only solo act of creation, who then worked with him in the acts of creation performed afterwards. No doubt once they had created the Angels they also used them in creation activities as well.

Jehovah has always proved to be the perfect delegator.

By it's unfaithful ventures into paganism, which took control after the last of the Apostles died and were no longer there to counter them, "Christianity" has continually corrupted the teachings of Christ and the Apostles, and thereby corrupted those they taught.

That is why, in this time of the end, Christ was proved correct in his concern voiced at
Luke 18:8 ASV(i) "8 I say unto you, that he will avenge them speedily. Nevertheless, when the Son of man cometh, shall he find faith on the earth?"

That sad condition meant that, in the mid 19th Century he had to start all over again,this time from heaven rather than on earth.

He did precisely the same thing in that he sought out a few people in roughly the same geographical area gathered them together, and by holy spirit drew them to teh truth and taught them so that they could gather other humans to him.

Delegation again see.

Because he wasn't physically present this time it took longer to teach them, and in fact that had not really learned enough until about 1920, when he cleaned the organisation out once again, removing his spirit from those that were not proving suitable, and so many left the organisation, unhappy with what those he was leading were doing..

However from that time on the organisation on the earth has gone from strength to strength, continually showing signs of Jehovah's, and therefore his son's, support and blessing.

However they found, and are still finding, as I do on here, that Jesus was also right when he said of these days, as recorded at Luke 17:26-30 ASV(i) "26 And as it came to pass in the days of Noah, even so shall it be also in the days of the Son of man. 27 They ate, they drank, they married, they were given in marriage, until the day that Noah entered into the ark, and the flood came, and destroyed them all. 28 Likewise even as it came to pass in the days of Lot; they ate, they drank, they bought, they sold, they planted, they builded; 29 but in the day that Lot went out from Sodom it rained fire and brimstone from heaven, and destroyed them all: 30 after the same manner shall it be in the day that the Son of man is revealed."

He hasn't been fully revealed yet. That is still a work in progress, but then he never said it would be a work of moments. Though admittedly nor did he tell his new followers that it would be the work of generations either.

It is still going on, but getting ever closer to the time when Matthew 24:14 will be completely fulfilled, and the end, Armageddon, will be brought in to clean the earth completely, just as the flood did in Noah's day.

There will be survivors, as there were at the flood, though one hopes there will be more than just 8, especially since after Armageddon comes the resurrection of all who have fallen asleep in death, and they will need re-orientation to their new state and surroundings, and teaching in God's ways.

For now, until Jehovah says enough, the work goes on.
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3/19/2015 7:33:39 AM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 3/19/2015 7:30:46 AM, MadCornishBiker wrote:
Armageddon, will be brought in to clean the earth completely, just as the flood did in Noah's day.

So few words, so much hatred.
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3/19/2015 8:40:28 AM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 3/19/2015 7:33:39 AM, DanneJeRusse wrote:
At 3/19/2015 7:30:46 AM, MadCornishBiker wrote:
Armageddon, will be brought in to clean the earth completely, just as the flood did in Noah's day.

So few words, so much hatred.

But it is love that prompts them because it is out of love that people are being warned what is coming and given the chance to escape it.

That is love not hate. Hate would be turning our backs on you all and just letting you all perish.

Real hate is trying to impeded the life saving work.

After all, if you see someone heading for a dangerous cliff edge and you love them, no mater how little, you warn them as we are.

If you hate them you just shrug your shoulders and say "let them fall" as you are doing.

Yes, so much hate in so few words, and all the hate is in your words, not mine.
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3/19/2015 10:04:34 AM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 3/19/2015 7:30:46 AM, MadCornishBiker wrote:
And their confusion.

That is the sort of confusion that is caused by the false teaching that Christ was also God, in other words the Trinity teaching and it's variants.

It was not God who came to earth and took on a body of flesh and blood, it was his son.

Literally his son, his first and only solo act of creation, who then worked with him in the acts of creation performed afterwards. No doubt once they had created the Angels they also used them in creation activities as well.

Jehovah has always proved to be the perfect delegator.

By it's unfaithful ventures into paganism, which took control after the last of the Apostles died and were no longer there to counter them, "Christianity" has continually corrupted the teachings of Christ and the Apostles, and thereby corrupted those they taught.

That is why, in this time of the end, Christ was proved correct in his concern voiced at
Luke 18:8 ASV(i) "8 I say unto you, that he will avenge them speedily. Nevertheless, when the Son of man cometh, shall he find faith on the earth?"

That sad condition meant that, in the mid 19th Century he had to start all over again,this time from heaven rather than on earth.

He did precisely the same thing in that he sought out a few people in roughly the same geographical area gathered them together, and by holy spirit drew them to teh truth and taught them so that they could gather other humans to him.

Delegation again see.

Because he wasn't physically present this time it took longer to teach them, and in fact that had not really learned enough until about 1920, when he cleaned the organisation out once again, removing his spirit from those that were not proving suitable, and so many left the organisation, unhappy with what those he was leading were doing..

However from that time on the organisation on the earth has gone from strength to strength, continually showing signs of Jehovah's, and therefore his son's, support and blessing.

However they found, and are still finding, as I do on here, that Jesus was also right when he said of these days, as recorded at Luke 17:26-30 ASV(i) "26 And as it came to pass in the days of Noah, even so shall it be also in the days of the Son of man. 27 They ate, they drank, they married, they were given in marriage, until the day that Noah entered into the ark, and the flood came, and destroyed them all. 28 Likewise even as it came to pass in the days of Lot; they ate, they drank, they bought, they sold, they planted, they builded; 29 but in the day that Lot went out from Sodom it rained fire and brimstone from heaven, and destroyed them all: 30 after the same manner shall it be in the day that the Son of man is revealed."

He hasn't been fully revealed yet. That is still a work in progress, but then he never said it would be a work of moments. Though admittedly nor did he tell his new followers that it would be the work of generations either.

It is still going on, but getting ever closer to the time when Matthew 24:14 will be completely fulfilled, and the end, Armageddon, will be brought in to clean the earth completely, just as the flood did in Noah's day.

There will be survivors, as there were at the flood, though one hopes there will be more than just 8, especially since after Armageddon comes the resurrection of all who have fallen asleep in death, and they will need re-orientation to their new state and surroundings, and teaching in God's ways.

For now, until Jehovah says enough, the work goes on.

So is Jesus some sort of demigod to you? How can he be the son of God and not be at least part god?
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3/19/2015 11:15:13 AM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 3/19/2015 10:04:34 AM, Skepticalone wrote:
At 3/19/2015 7:30:46 AM, MadCornishBiker wrote:
And their confusion.

That is the sort of confusion that is caused by the false teaching that Christ was also God, in other words the Trinity teaching and it's variants.

It was not God who came to earth and took on a body of flesh and blood, it was his son.

Literally his son, his first and only solo act of creation, who then worked with him in the acts of creation performed afterwards. No doubt once they had created the Angels they also used them in creation activities as well.

Jehovah has always proved to be the perfect delegator.

By it's unfaithful ventures into paganism, which took control after the last of the Apostles died and were no longer there to counter them, "Christianity" has continually corrupted the teachings of Christ and the Apostles, and thereby corrupted those they taught.

That is why, in this time of the end, Christ was proved correct in his concern voiced at
Luke 18:8 ASV(i) "8 I say unto you, that he will avenge them speedily. Nevertheless, when the Son of man cometh, shall he find faith on the earth?"

That sad condition meant that, in the mid 19th Century he had to start all over again,this time from heaven rather than on earth.

He did precisely the same thing in that he sought out a few people in roughly the same geographical area gathered them together, and by holy spirit drew them to teh truth and taught them so that they could gather other humans to him.

Delegation again see.

Because he wasn't physically present this time it took longer to teach them, and in fact that had not really learned enough until about 1920, when he cleaned the organisation out once again, removing his spirit from those that were not proving suitable, and so many left the organisation, unhappy with what those he was leading were doing..

However from that time on the organisation on the earth has gone from strength to strength, continually showing signs of Jehovah's, and therefore his son's, support and blessing.

However they found, and are still finding, as I do on here, that Jesus was also right when he said of these days, as recorded at Luke 17:26-30 ASV(i) "26 And as it came to pass in the days of Noah, even so shall it be also in the days of the Son of man. 27 They ate, they drank, they married, they were given in marriage, until the day that Noah entered into the ark, and the flood came, and destroyed them all. 28 Likewise even as it came to pass in the days of Lot; they ate, they drank, they bought, they sold, they planted, they builded; 29 but in the day that Lot went out from Sodom it rained fire and brimstone from heaven, and destroyed them all: 30 after the same manner shall it be in the day that the Son of man is revealed."

He hasn't been fully revealed yet. That is still a work in progress, but then he never said it would be a work of moments. Though admittedly nor did he tell his new followers that it would be the work of generations either.

It is still going on, but getting ever closer to the time when Matthew 24:14 will be completely fulfilled, and the end, Armageddon, will be brought in to clean the earth completely, just as the flood did in Noah's day.

There will be survivors, as there were at the flood, though one hopes there will be more than just 8, especially since after Armageddon comes the resurrection of all who have fallen asleep in death, and they will need re-orientation to their new state and surroundings, and teaching in God's ways.

For now, until Jehovah says enough, the work goes on.

So is Jesus some sort of demigod to you? How can he be the son of God and not be at least part god?

It depends how you use the word "god" if you use it the way scripture does then it includes:

God's son.
Angels.
Human's in authority.
Satan.
The demons.

So ti is a word with a very wide scripturalt meaning.

John 1:1, when correctly translated refers to teh Word, God's son and spokesman, as a god, and such he is.

Other translations of that include:

"a godlike one"

"of divine nature"

All of which describe God's son, but also the Angels, faithful or unfaithful.

Why?

Because that is how they were created.

The biggest problem is people's tendency to understand words their way, not the way the author used them.

The only truly unique aspect of the creation of God's son was that he is the only one God created without any assistance whatever, and he was also the one for whom everything else was created, according to Colossians 13:16.

Since Adam fell, God's son has had primary responsibility for mankind, and that heralded the start of Jehovah's "day of rest". Not complete rest, but rest from dealing with us directly. This Sabbath ends when his son hands the cleansed and perfected Kingdom back to his father. The last 3 Chapters describe the joy that brings with it.

The reason for the Abraham "pantomime" was to illustrate the way Jehovah would be prepared to sacrifice and lose his son, for our sake.

Of course, since his son proved successful in his mission, he got him back, just as Abraham got Isaac back.

We are often asked if we would do what Abraham did, and the only answer that i possible for any that trust God is the Jehovah did it for our sake, how could we not do the same for his.

Jesus was completely human, born with an Adam-like, sin free, body due to a special egg being created and fertilized in Mary's womb, only on his Baptism was his body occupied by God's son.

The point being that for Jesus to hand over his body God's son in his body, he had to do so willingly, and he did. He will not go unrewarded for his faith and obedience.
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3/19/2015 11:26:40 AM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 3/19/2015 11:15:13 AM, MadCornishBiker wrote:
At 3/19/2015 10:04:34 AM, Skepticalone wrote:
At 3/19/2015 7:30:46 AM, MadCornishBiker wrote:
And their confusion.

That is the sort of confusion that is caused by the false teaching that Christ was also God, in other words the Trinity teaching and it's variants.

It was not God who came to earth and took on a body of flesh and blood, it was his son.

Literally his son, his first and only solo act of creation, who then worked with him in the acts of creation performed afterwards. No doubt once they had created the Angels they also used them in creation activities as well.

Jehovah has always proved to be the perfect delegator.

By it's unfaithful ventures into paganism, which took control after the last of the Apostles died and were no longer there to counter them, "Christianity" has continually corrupted the teachings of Christ and the Apostles, and thereby corrupted those they taught.

That is why, in this time of the end, Christ was proved correct in his concern voiced at
Luke 18:8 ASV(i) "8 I say unto you, that he will avenge them speedily. Nevertheless, when the Son of man cometh, shall he find faith on the earth?"

That sad condition meant that, in the mid 19th Century he had to start all over again,this time from heaven rather than on earth.

He did precisely the same thing in that he sought out a few people in roughly the same geographical area gathered them together, and by holy spirit drew them to teh truth and taught them so that they could gather other humans to him.

Delegation again see.

Because he wasn't physically present this time it took longer to teach them, and in fact that had not really learned enough until about 1920, when he cleaned the organisation out once again, removing his spirit from those that were not proving suitable, and so many left the organisation, unhappy with what those he was leading were doing..

However from that time on the organisation on the earth has gone from strength to strength, continually showing signs of Jehovah's, and therefore his son's, support and blessing.

However they found, and are still finding, as I do on here, that Jesus was also right when he said of these days, as recorded at Luke 17:26-30 ASV(i) "26 And as it came to pass in the days of Noah, even so shall it be also in the days of the Son of man. 27 They ate, they drank, they married, they were given in marriage, until the day that Noah entered into the ark, and the flood came, and destroyed them all. 28 Likewise even as it came to pass in the days of Lot; they ate, they drank, they bought, they sold, they planted, they builded; 29 but in the day that Lot went out from Sodom it rained fire and brimstone from heaven, and destroyed them all: 30 after the same manner shall it be in the day that the Son of man is revealed."

He hasn't been fully revealed yet. That is still a work in progress, but then he never said it would be a work of moments. Though admittedly nor did he tell his new followers that it would be the work of generations either.

It is still going on, but getting ever closer to the time when Matthew 24:14 will be completely fulfilled, and the end, Armageddon, will be brought in to clean the earth completely, just as the flood did in Noah's day.

There will be survivors, as there were at the flood, though one hopes there will be more than just 8, especially since after Armageddon comes the resurrection of all who have fallen asleep in death, and they will need re-orientation to their new state and surroundings, and teaching in God's ways.

For now, until Jehovah says enough, the work goes on.

So is Jesus some sort of demigod to you? How can he be the son of God and not be at least part god?

It depends how you use the word "god" if you use it the way scripture does then it includes:

No, it doesn't depend on my interpretation at all. How do you mean it? That was my question.


The only truly unique aspect of the creation of God's son was that he is the only one God created without any assistance whatever,

What does "without assistnace" mean? Did Yahweh have help?


Jesus was completely human, born with an Adam-like, sin free, body due to a special egg being created and fertilized in Mary's womb, only on his Baptism was his body occupied by God's son.

Ok, so then he was a demigod?

The point being that for Jesus to hand over his body God's son in his body, he had to do so willingly, and he did. He will not go unrewarded for his faith and obedience.

Ok, so Jesus the human, sacrificed Jesus the god..er..not god. Do you actually know what you mean to say? It doesn't seem coherent to me.
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3/19/2015 11:40:09 AM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 3/19/2015 11:26:40 AM, Skepticalone wrote:
At 3/19/2015 11:15:13 AM, MadCornishBiker wrote:
At 3/19/2015 10:04:34 AM, Skepticalone wrote:
At 3/19/2015 7:30:46 AM, MadCornishBiker wrote:
And their confusion.

That is the sort of confusion that is caused by the false teaching that Christ was also God, in other words the Trinity teaching and it's variants.

It was not God who came to earth and took on a body of flesh and blood, it was his son.

Literally his son, his first and only solo act of creation, who then worked with him in the acts of creation performed afterwards. No doubt once they had created the Angels they also used them in creation activities as well.

Jehovah has always proved to be the perfect delegator.

By it's unfaithful ventures into paganism, which took control after the last of the Apostles died and were no longer there to counter them, "Christianity" has continually corrupted the teachings of Christ and the Apostles, and thereby corrupted those they taught.

That is why, in this time of the end, Christ was proved correct in his concern voiced at
Luke 18:8 ASV(i) "8 I say unto you, that he will avenge them speedily. Nevertheless, when the Son of man cometh, shall he find faith on the earth?"

That sad condition meant that, in the mid 19th Century he had to start all over again,this time from heaven rather than on earth.

He did precisely the same thing in that he sought out a few people in roughly the same geographical area gathered them together, and by holy spirit drew them to teh truth and taught them so that they could gather other humans to him.

Delegation again see.

Because he wasn't physically present this time it took longer to teach them, and in fact that had not really learned enough until about 1920, when he cleaned the organisation out once again, removing his spirit from those that were not proving suitable, and so many left the organisation, unhappy with what those he was leading were doing..

However from that time on the organisation on the earth has gone from strength to strength, continually showing signs of Jehovah's, and therefore his son's, support and blessing.

However they found, and are still finding, as I do on here, that Jesus was also right when he said of these days, as recorded at Luke 17:26-30 ASV(i) "26 And as it came to pass in the days of Noah, even so shall it be also in the days of the Son of man. 27 They ate, they drank, they married, they were given in marriage, until the day that Noah entered into the ark, and the flood came, and destroyed them all. 28 Likewise even as it came to pass in the days of Lot; they ate, they drank, they bought, they sold, they planted, they builded; 29 but in the day that Lot went out from Sodom it rained fire and brimstone from heaven, and destroyed them all: 30 after the same manner shall it be in the day that the Son of man is revealed."

He hasn't been fully revealed yet. That is still a work in progress, but then he never said it would be a work of moments. Though admittedly nor did he tell his new followers that it would be the work of generations either.

It is still going on, but getting ever closer to the time when Matthew 24:14 will be completely fulfilled, and the end, Armageddon, will be brought in to clean the earth completely, just as the flood did in Noah's day.

There will be survivors, as there were at the flood, though one hopes there will be more than just 8, especially since after Armageddon comes the resurrection of all who have fallen asleep in death, and they will need re-orientation to their new state and surroundings, and teaching in God's ways.

For now, until Jehovah says enough, the work goes on.

So is Jesus some sort of demigod to you? How can he be the son of God and not be at least part god?

It depends how you use the word "god" if you use it the way scripture does then it includes:

No, it doesn't depend on my interpretation at all. How do you mean it? That was my question.


The only truly unique aspect of the creation of God's son was that he is the only one God created without any assistance whatever,

What does "without assistnace" mean? Did Yahweh have help?


Jesus was completely human, born with an Adam-like, sin free, body due to a special egg being created and fertilized in Mary's womb, only on his Baptism was his body occupied by God's son.

Ok, so then he was a demigod?

The point being that for Jesus to hand over his body God's son in his body, he had to do so willingly, and he did. He will not go unrewarded for his faith and obedience.

Ok, so Jesus the human, sacrificed Jesus the god..er..not god. Do you actually know what you mean to say? It doesn't seem coherent to me.

It may not to you, but it does with, as Jesus would say, any with "eyes to see and ears to hear".
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3/19/2015 11:45:39 AM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 3/19/2015 11:40:09 AM, MadCornishBiker wrote:
At 3/19/2015 11:26:40 AM, Skepticalone wrote:
At 3/19/2015 11:15:13 AM, MadCornishBiker wrote:
At 3/19/2015 10:04:34 AM, Skepticalone wrote:
At 3/19/2015 7:30:46 AM, MadCornishBiker wrote:
And their confusion.

That is the sort of confusion that is caused by the false teaching that Christ was also God, in other words the Trinity teaching and it's variants.

It was not God who came to earth and took on a body of flesh and blood, it was his son.

Literally his son, his first and only solo act of creation, who then worked with him in the acts of creation performed afterwards. No doubt once they had created the Angels they also used them in creation activities as well.

Jehovah has always proved to be the perfect delegator.

By it's unfaithful ventures into paganism, which took control after the last of the Apostles died and were no longer there to counter them, "Christianity" has continually corrupted the teachings of Christ and the Apostles, and thereby corrupted those they taught.

That is why, in this time of the end, Christ was proved correct in his concern voiced at
Luke 18:8 ASV(i) "8 I say unto you, that he will avenge them speedily. Nevertheless, when the Son of man cometh, shall he find faith on the earth?"

That sad condition meant that, in the mid 19th Century he had to start all over again,this time from heaven rather than on earth.

He did precisely the same thing in that he sought out a few people in roughly the same geographical area gathered them together, and by holy spirit drew them to teh truth and taught them so that they could gather other humans to him.

Delegation again see.

Because he wasn't physically present this time it took longer to teach them, and in fact that had not really learned enough until about 1920, when he cleaned the organisation out once again, removing his spirit from those that were not proving suitable, and so many left the organisation, unhappy with what those he was leading were doing..

However from that time on the organisation on the earth has gone from strength to strength, continually showing signs of Jehovah's, and therefore his son's, support and blessing.

However they found, and are still finding, as I do on here, that Jesus was also right when he said of these days, as recorded at Luke 17:26-30 ASV(i) "26 And as it came to pass in the days of Noah, even so shall it be also in the days of the Son of man. 27 They ate, they drank, they married, they were given in marriage, until the day that Noah entered into the ark, and the flood came, and destroyed them all. 28 Likewise even as it came to pass in the days of Lot; they ate, they drank, they bought, they sold, they planted, they builded; 29 but in the day that Lot went out from Sodom it rained fire and brimstone from heaven, and destroyed them all: 30 after the same manner shall it be in the day that the Son of man is revealed."

He hasn't been fully revealed yet. That is still a work in progress, but then he never said it would be a work of moments. Though admittedly nor did he tell his new followers that it would be the work of generations either.

It is still going on, but getting ever closer to the time when Matthew 24:14 will be completely fulfilled, and the end, Armageddon, will be brought in to clean the earth completely, just as the flood did in Noah's day.

There will be survivors, as there were at the flood, though one hopes there will be more than just 8, especially since after Armageddon comes the resurrection of all who have fallen asleep in death, and they will need re-orientation to their new state and surroundings, and teaching in God's ways.

For now, until Jehovah says enough, the work goes on.

So is Jesus some sort of demigod to you? How can he be the son of God and not be at least part god?

It depends how you use the word "god" if you use it the way scripture does then it includes:

No, it doesn't depend on my interpretation at all. How do you mean it? That was my question.


The only truly unique aspect of the creation of God's son was that he is the only one God created without any assistance whatever,

What does "without assistnace" mean? Did Yahweh have help?


Jesus was completely human, born with an Adam-like, sin free, body due to a special egg being created and fertilized in Mary's womb, only on his Baptism was his body occupied by God's son.

Ok, so then he was a demigod?

The point being that for Jesus to hand over his body God's son in his body, he had to do so willingly, and he did. He will not go unrewarded for his faith and obedience.

Ok, so Jesus the human, sacrificed Jesus the god..er..not god. Do you actually know what you mean to say? It doesn't seem coherent to me.

It may not to you, but it does with, as Jesus would say, any with "eyes to see and ears to hear".

If you cannot explain what you mean, then perhaps you don't understand it as well as you think you do.
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3/19/2015 12:05:55 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 3/19/2015 11:45:39 AM, Skepticalone wrote:
At 3/19/2015 11:40:09 AM, MadCornishBiker wrote:
At 3/19/2015 11:26:40 AM, Skepticalone wrote:
At 3/19/2015 11:15:13 AM, MadCornishBiker wrote:
At 3/19/2015 10:04:34 AM, Skepticalone wrote:
At 3/19/2015 7:30:46 AM, MadCornishBiker wrote:
And their confusion.

That is the sort of confusion that is caused by the false teaching that Christ was also God, in other words the Trinity teaching and it's variants.

It was not God who came to earth and took on a body of flesh and blood, it was his son.

Literally his son, his first and only solo act of creation, who then worked with him in the acts of creation performed afterwards. No doubt once they had created the Angels they also used them in creation activities as well.

Jehovah has always proved to be the perfect delegator.

By it's unfaithful ventures into paganism, which took control after the last of the Apostles died and were no longer there to counter them, "Christianity" has continually corrupted the teachings of Christ and the Apostles, and thereby corrupted those they taught.

That is why, in this time of the end, Christ was proved correct in his concern voiced at
Luke 18:8 ASV(i) "8 I say unto you, that he will avenge them speedily. Nevertheless, when the Son of man cometh, shall he find faith on the earth?"

That sad condition meant that, in the mid 19th Century he had to start all over again,this time from heaven rather than on earth.

He did precisely the same thing in that he sought out a few people in roughly the same geographical area gathered them together, and by holy spirit drew them to teh truth and taught them so that they could gather other humans to him.

Delegation again see.

Because he wasn't physically present this time it took longer to teach them, and in fact that had not really learned enough until about 1920, when he cleaned the organisation out once again, removing his spirit from those that were not proving suitable, and so many left the organisation, unhappy with what those he was leading were doing..

However from that time on the organisation on the earth has gone from strength to strength, continually showing signs of Jehovah's, and therefore his son's, support and blessing.

However they found, and are still finding, as I do on here, that Jesus was also right when he said of these days, as recorded at Luke 17:26-30 ASV(i) "26 And as it came to pass in the days of Noah, even so shall it be also in the days of the Son of man. 27 They ate, they drank, they married, they were given in marriage, until the day that Noah entered into the ark, and the flood came, and destroyed them all. 28 Likewise even as it came to pass in the days of Lot; they ate, they drank, they bought, they sold, they planted, they builded; 29 but in the day that Lot went out from Sodom it rained fire and brimstone from heaven, and destroyed them all: 30 after the same manner shall it be in the day that the Son of man is revealed."

He hasn't been fully revealed yet. That is still a work in progress, but then he never said it would be a work of moments. Though admittedly nor did he tell his new followers that it would be the work of generations either.

It is still going on, but getting ever closer to the time when Matthew 24:14 will be completely fulfilled, and the end, Armageddon, will be brought in to clean the earth completely, just as the flood did in Noah's day.

There will be survivors, as there were at the flood, though one hopes there will be more than just 8, especially since after Armageddon comes the resurrection of all who have fallen asleep in death, and they will need re-orientation to their new state and surroundings, and teaching in God's ways.

For now, until Jehovah says enough, the work goes on.

So is Jesus some sort of demigod to you? How can he be the son of God and not be at least part god?

It depends how you use the word "god" if you use it the way scripture does then it includes:

No, it doesn't depend on my interpretation at all. How do you mean it? That was my question.


The only truly unique aspect of the creation of God's son was that he is the only one God created without any assistance whatever,

What does "without assistnace" mean? Did Yahweh have help?


Jesus was completely human, born with an Adam-like, sin free, body due to a special egg being created and fertilized in Mary's womb, only on his Baptism was his body occupied by God's son.

Ok, so then he was a demigod?

The point being that for Jesus to hand over his body God's son in his body, he had to do so willingly, and he did. He will not go unrewarded for his faith and obedience.

Ok, so Jesus the human, sacrificed Jesus the god..er..not god. Do you actually know what you mean to say? It doesn't seem coherent to me.

It may not to you, but it does with, as Jesus would say, any with "eyes to see and ears to hear".

If you cannot explain what you mean, then perhaps you don't understand it as well as you think you do.

I can explain what I mean, and it seems simple to me.

Scripture doesn't deal in demi god's. No half measures for Jehovah.

God's son was wholly a spirit being.

When his personality and memories were given to the human Jesus he became wholly flesh.

Had he proved unsuccessful in his mission he could not have been resurrected and Jehovah would have lost his only begotten (created) son forever.

Simple.

As to how it was done, all I can say is that was done in precisely the same way that the resurrected will have knew, Adam or Eve type bodies, but they will still be themselves despite the different body.

For the time that God's son was incarnate on the earth he did not exist in heaven.

One can only assume that the original personality and memories that were Jesus up to that point will also be put into a new body at the resurrection.

In a way it is also a proof of the fact that a personality and memories can be transferred into another body.

Any clearer?
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3/19/2015 12:33:46 PM
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So is Jesus some sort of demigod to you? How can he be the son of God and not be at least part god?

It depends how you use the word "god" if you use it the way scripture does then it includes:

No, it doesn't depend on my interpretation at all. How do you mean it? That was my question.


The only truly unique aspect of the creation of God's son was that he is the only one God created without any assistance whatever,

What does "without assistnace" mean? Did Yahweh have help?


Jesus was completely human, born with an Adam-like, sin free, body due to a special egg being created and fertilized in Mary's womb, only on his Baptism was his body occupied by God's son.

Ok, so then he was a demigod?

The point being that for Jesus to hand over his body God's son in his body, he had to do so willingly, and he did. He will not go unrewarded for his faith and obedience.

Ok, so Jesus the human, sacrificed Jesus the god..er..not god. Do you actually know what you mean to say? It doesn't seem coherent to me.

It may not to you, but it does with, as Jesus would say, any with "eyes to see and ears to hear".

If you cannot explain what you mean, then perhaps you don't understand it as well as you think you do.

I can explain what I mean, and it seems simple to me.

Scripture doesn't deal in demi god's. No half measures for Jehovah.

God's son was wholly a spirit being.

When his personality and memories were given to the human Jesus he became wholly flesh.

The body of Jesus was possessed by the spirit of God's son... *why did I bother asking?*

Had he proved unsuccessful in his mission he could not have been resurrected and Jehovah would have lost his only begotten (created) son forever.

Simple.

As to how it was done, all I can say is that was done in precisely the same way that the resurrected will have knew, Adam or Eve type bodies, but they will still be themselves despite the different body.

For the time that God's son was incarnate on the earth he did not exist in heaven.

One can only assume that the original personality and memories that were Jesus up to that point will also be put into a new body at the resurrection.


In a way it is also a proof of the fact that a personality and memories can be transferred into another body.

No, not in any way is your speculation proof of 'consciousness implants' or 'body donors'.

Any clearer?

No, but I've lost interest since it seems obvious you're making this shtuff up as you go along.
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3/19/2015 12:44:39 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 3/19/2015 12:33:46 PM, Skepticalone wrote:

So is Jesus some sort of demigod to you? How can he be the son of God and not be at least part god?

It depends how you use the word "god" if you use it the way scripture does then it includes:

No, it doesn't depend on my interpretation at all. How do you mean it? That was my question.


The only truly unique aspect of the creation of God's son was that he is the only one God created without any assistance whatever,

What does "without assistnace" mean? Did Yahweh have help?


Jesus was completely human, born with an Adam-like, sin free, body due to a special egg being created and fertilized in Mary's womb, only on his Baptism was his body occupied by God's son.

Ok, so then he was a demigod?

The point being that for Jesus to hand over his body God's son in his body, he had to do so willingly, and he did. He will not go unrewarded for his faith and obedience.

Ok, so Jesus the human, sacrificed Jesus the god..er..not god. Do you actually know what you mean to say? It doesn't seem coherent to me.

It may not to you, but it does with, as Jesus would say, any with "eyes to see and ears to hear".

If you cannot explain what you mean, then perhaps you don't understand it as well as you think you do.

I can explain what I mean, and it seems simple to me.

Scripture doesn't deal in demi god's. No half measures for Jehovah.

God's son was wholly a spirit being.

When his personality and memories were given to the human Jesus he became wholly flesh.

The body of Jesus was possessed by the spirit of God's son... *why did I bother asking?*

Had he proved unsuccessful in his mission he could not have been resurrected and Jehovah would have lost his only begotten (created) son forever.

Simple.

As to how it was done, all I can say is that was done in precisely the same way that the resurrected will have knew, Adam or Eve type bodies, but they will still be themselves despite the different body.

For the time that God's son was incarnate on the earth he did not exist in heaven.

One can only assume that the original personality and memories that were Jesus up to that point will also be put into a new body at the resurrection.


In a way it is also a proof of the fact that a personality and memories can be transferred into another body.

No, not in any way is your speculation proof of 'consciousness implants' or 'body donors'.

Any clearer?

No, but I've lost interest since it seems obvious you're making this shtuff up as you go along.

That is your choice of curse, but I don't.

However if you wish to believe I do that is entirely your choice, your loss.

It is, as they say, no skin off my nose.
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3/19/2015 1:42:52 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 3/19/2015 7:30:46 AM, MadCornishBiker wrote:
And their confusion.

CONFUSION?

"Fulfilled prophecy shows beyond a doubt that (Christ) did appear in 1874. Fulfilled prophecy is otherwise designated the physical facts; and these facts are indisputable....We understand that the jubilee type began to count in 1575 B.C.; and the 3,500 year period embracing the type must end in 1925....It follows, then, that the year 1925 will mark the beginning of the restoration of all things lost by Adam's disobedience." - "The Watchtower," 1922-NOV-1, Pages 333 & 346

"...there will be a resurrection of Abraham, Isaac, Jacob, and other faithful ones of old ... we may expect 1925 to witness the return of these faithful men of Israel from the condition of death, being resurrected and fully restored to perfect humanity and made the visible, legal representatives of the new order of things on earth.... Therefore we may confidently expect that 1925 will mark the return of Abraham, Isaac, Jacob and the faithful prophets of old, particularly those named by the Apostle in Hebrews 11, to the condition of human perfection." - "Millions now living will never die," (1918), Page 89

"Receiving the gift, the marching children clasped it to them, not a toy or plaything for idle pleasure, but the Lord's provided instrument for most effective work in the remaining months before Armageddon," - Watchtower, Sept. 15, 1941, p. 288

"Prophecy indicates that 1925-1926 will see the greater part of the ousting completed. All the world's statesmen are dreading the next few years." - The Way to Paradise, 171

... this chronology is not of man, but of God.... the addition of more proofs removes it entirely from the realm of chance into that of proven certainty.... the chronology of present truth [is]... not of human origin." - Watch Tower 1922 Jul 1 p.217

Notice the typical BotchTower certainty - the same sort we see from MCB on here:

(1) "removed entirely from the realm of chance"
(2) "proven certainty"
(3) "beyond a doubt"

It seems to me that the bulk of this "confusion" emanates from Brooklyn.

Judge Rutherford said, "Fulfilled prophecy shows beyond a doubt that (Christ) did appear in 1874"

Beyond a doubt, MadCornish. That means for you not to doubt it. Did Christ appear in 1874?
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3/19/2015 3:27:07 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 3/19/2015 1:42:52 PM, annanicole wrote:
At 3/19/2015 7:30:46 AM, MadCornishBiker wrote:
And their confusion.

CONFUSION?

"Fulfilled prophecy shows beyond a doubt that (Christ) did appear in 1874. Fulfilled prophecy is otherwise designated the physical facts; and these facts are indisputable....We understand that the jubilee type began to count in 1575 B.C.; and the 3,500 year period embracing the type must end in 1925....It follows, then, that the year 1925 will mark the beginning of the restoration of all things lost by Adam's disobedience." - "The Watchtower," 1922-NOV-1, Pages 333 & 346

"...there will be a resurrection of Abraham, Isaac, Jacob, and other faithful ones of old ... we may expect 1925 to witness the return of these faithful men of Israel from the condition of death, being resurrected and fully restored to perfect humanity and made the visible, legal representatives of the new order of things on earth.... Therefore we may confidently expect that 1925 will mark the return of Abraham, Isaac, Jacob and the faithful prophets of old, particularly those named by the Apostle in Hebrews 11, to the condition of human perfection." - "Millions now living will never die," (1918), Page 89

"Receiving the gift, the marching children clasped it to them, not a toy or plaything for idle pleasure, but the Lord's provided instrument for most effective work in the remaining months before Armageddon," - Watchtower, Sept. 15, 1941, p. 288

"Prophecy indicates that 1925-1926 will see the greater part of the ousting completed. All the world's statesmen are dreading the next few years." - The Way to Paradise, 171

... this chronology is not of man, but of God.... the addition of more proofs removes it entirely from the realm of chance into that of proven certainty.... the chronology of present truth [is]... not of human origin." - Watch Tower 1922 Jul 1 p.217

Notice the typical BotchTower certainty - the same sort we see from MCB on here:

(1) "removed entirely from the realm of chance"
(2) "proven certainty"
(3) "beyond a doubt"

It seems to me that the bulk of this "confusion" emanates from Brooklyn.

Judge Rutherford said, "Fulfilled prophecy shows beyond a doubt that (Christ) did appear in 1874"

Beyond a doubt, MadCornish. That means for you not to doubt it. Did Christ appear in 1874?

I probably wouldn't have doubted it then, but they learned better, very soon after and corrected their thinking, as they always do.

Again history is all you have

I know the question that Christ would ask you is this.

"You could see the errors they made, why could you not see your errors?"

You make more errors than they ever did, why do you not do what Jesus said and correct your errors first,?

True, that means going right back to basics, but better to look a fool to humans than to God and Christ in the judgement, as you do at present.

How much is your eternal life worth to you, because you've got no chance at the moment?
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3/19/2015 4:27:23 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 3/19/2015 3:27:07 PM, MadCornishBiker wrote:
At 3/19/2015 1:42:52 PM, annanicole wrote:
At 3/19/2015 7:30:46 AM, MadCornishBiker wrote:
And their confusion.

CONFUSION?

"Fulfilled prophecy shows beyond a doubt that (Christ) did appear in 1874. Fulfilled prophecy is otherwise designated the physical facts; and these facts are indisputable....We understand that the jubilee type began to count in 1575 B.C.; and the 3,500 year period embracing the type must end in 1925....It follows, then, that the year 1925 will mark the beginning of the restoration of all things lost by Adam's disobedience." - "The Watchtower," 1922-NOV-1, Pages 333 & 346

"...there will be a resurrection of Abraham, Isaac, Jacob, and other faithful ones of old ... we may expect 1925 to witness the return of these faithful men of Israel from the condition of death, being resurrected and fully restored to perfect humanity and made the visible, legal representatives of the new order of things on earth.... Therefore we may confidently expect that 1925 will mark the return of Abraham, Isaac, Jacob and the faithful prophets of old, particularly those named by the Apostle in Hebrews 11, to the condition of human perfection." - "Millions now living will never die," (1918), Page 89

"Receiving the gift, the marching children clasped it to them, not a toy or plaything for idle pleasure, but the Lord's provided instrument for most effective work in the remaining months before Armageddon," - Watchtower, Sept. 15, 1941, p. 288

"Prophecy indicates that 1925-1926 will see the greater part of the ousting completed. All the world's statesmen are dreading the next few years." - The Way to Paradise, 171

... this chronology is not of man, but of God.... the addition of more proofs removes it entirely from the realm of chance into that of proven certainty.... the chronology of present truth [is]... not of human origin." - Watch Tower 1922 Jul 1 p.217

Notice the typical BotchTower certainty - the same sort we see from MCB on here:

(1) "removed entirely from the realm of chance"
(2) "proven certainty"
(3) "beyond a doubt"

It seems to me that the bulk of this "confusion" emanates from Brooklyn.

Judge Rutherford said, "Fulfilled prophecy shows beyond a doubt that (Christ) did appear in 1874"

Beyond a doubt, MadCornish. That means for you not to doubt it. Did Christ appear in 1874?

I probably wouldn't have doubted it then, but they learned better, very soon after and corrected their thinking, as they always do.

Again history is all you have

I know the question that Christ would ask you is this.

"You could see the errors they made, why could you not see your errors?"

You make more errors than they ever did, why do you not do what Jesus said and correct your errors first,?

True, that means going right back to basics, but better to look a fool to humans than to God and Christ in the judgement, as you do at present.

How much is your eternal life worth to you, because you've got no chance at the moment?

The question was, "Did Christ appear in 1874?"
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3/19/2015 5:39:21 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 3/19/2015 4:27:23 PM, annanicole wrote:
At 3/19/2015 3:27:07 PM, MadCornishBiker wrote:
At 3/19/2015 1:42:52 PM, annanicole wrote:
At 3/19/2015 7:30:46 AM, MadCornishBiker wrote:
And their confusion.

CONFUSION?

"Fulfilled prophecy shows beyond a doubt that (Christ) did appear in 1874. Fulfilled prophecy is otherwise designated the physical facts; and these facts are indisputable....We understand that the jubilee type began to count in 1575 B.C.; and the 3,500 year period embracing the type must end in 1925....It follows, then, that the year 1925 will mark the beginning of the restoration of all things lost by Adam's disobedience." - "The Watchtower," 1922-NOV-1, Pages 333 & 346

"...there will be a resurrection of Abraham, Isaac, Jacob, and other faithful ones of old ... we may expect 1925 to witness the return of these faithful men of Israel from the condition of death, being resurrected and fully restored to perfect humanity and made the visible, legal representatives of the new order of things on earth.... Therefore we may confidently expect that 1925 will mark the return of Abraham, Isaac, Jacob and the faithful prophets of old, particularly those named by the Apostle in Hebrews 11, to the condition of human perfection." - "Millions now living will never die," (1918), Page 89

"Receiving the gift, the marching children clasped it to them, not a toy or plaything for idle pleasure, but the Lord's provided instrument for most effective work in the remaining months before Armageddon," - Watchtower, Sept. 15, 1941, p. 288

"Prophecy indicates that 1925-1926 will see the greater part of the ousting completed. All the world's statesmen are dreading the next few years." - The Way to Paradise, 171

... this chronology is not of man, but of God.... the addition of more proofs removes it entirely from the realm of chance into that of proven certainty.... the chronology of present truth [is]... not of human origin." - Watch Tower 1922 Jul 1 p.217

Notice the typical BotchTower certainty - the same sort we see from MCB on here:

(1) "removed entirely from the realm of chance"
(2) "proven certainty"
(3) "beyond a doubt"

It seems to me that the bulk of this "confusion" emanates from Brooklyn.

Judge Rutherford said, "Fulfilled prophecy shows beyond a doubt that (Christ) did appear in 1874"

Beyond a doubt, MadCornish. That means for you not to doubt it. Did Christ appear in 1874?

I probably wouldn't have doubted it then, but they learned better, very soon after and corrected their thinking, as they always do.

Again history is all you have

I know the question that Christ would ask you is this.

"You could see the errors they made, why could you not see your errors?"

You make more errors than they ever did, why do you not do what Jesus said and correct your errors first,?

True, that means going right back to basics, but better to look a fool to humans than to God and Christ in the judgement, as you do at present.

How much is your eternal life worth to you, because you've got no chance at the moment?

The question was, "Did Christ appear in 1874?"

You know the answer to that as well as I do.

You also know that the brothers had literally only just been brought out of Apostate Christianity, and ah a lot to learn, but as I continually point out, they learned, which is far more than you have ever bothered to do.

You are still stumbling long in Apostate darkness with no apparent interest in getting out into the light.

But then to do that you will need to go right back to basics, since you don't even get them right.
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3/19/2015 5:50:35 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 3/19/2015 5:39:21 PM, MadCornishBiker wrote:
At 3/19/2015 4:27:23 PM, annanicole wrote:
At 3/19/2015 3:27:07 PM, MadCornishBiker wrote:
At 3/19/2015 1:42:52 PM, annanicole wrote:
At 3/19/2015 7:30:46 AM, MadCornishBiker wrote:
And their confusion.

CONFUSION?

"Fulfilled prophecy shows beyond a doubt that (Christ) did appear in 1874. Fulfilled prophecy is otherwise designated the physical facts; and these facts are indisputable....We understand that the jubilee type began to count in 1575 B.C.; and the 3,500 year period embracing the type must end in 1925....It follows, then, that the year 1925 will mark the beginning of the restoration of all things lost by Adam's disobedience." - "The Watchtower," 1922-NOV-1, Pages 333 & 346

"...there will be a resurrection of Abraham, Isaac, Jacob, and other faithful ones of old ... we may expect 1925 to witness the return of these faithful men of Israel from the condition of death, being resurrected and fully restored to perfect humanity and made the visible, legal representatives of the new order of things on earth.... Therefore we may confidently expect that 1925 will mark the return of Abraham, Isaac, Jacob and the faithful prophets of old, particularly those named by the Apostle in Hebrews 11, to the condition of human perfection." - "Millions now living will never die," (1918), Page 89

"Receiving the gift, the marching children clasped it to them, not a toy or plaything for idle pleasure, but the Lord's provided instrument for most effective work in the remaining months before Armageddon," - Watchtower, Sept. 15, 1941, p. 288

"Prophecy indicates that 1925-1926 will see the greater part of the ousting completed. All the world's statesmen are dreading the next few years." - The Way to Paradise, 171

... this chronology is not of man, but of God.... the addition of more proofs removes it entirely from the realm of chance into that of proven certainty.... the chronology of present truth [is]... not of human origin." - Watch Tower 1922 Jul 1 p.217

Notice the typical BotchTower certainty - the same sort we see from MCB on here:

(1) "removed entirely from the realm of chance"
(2) "proven certainty"
(3) "beyond a doubt"

It seems to me that the bulk of this "confusion" emanates from Brooklyn.

Judge Rutherford said, "Fulfilled prophecy shows beyond a doubt that (Christ) did appear in 1874"

Beyond a doubt, MadCornish. That means for you not to doubt it. Did Christ appear in 1874?

I probably wouldn't have doubted it then, but they learned better, very soon after and corrected their thinking, as they always do.

Again history is all you have

I know the question that Christ would ask you is this.

"You could see the errors they made, why could you not see your errors?"

You make more errors than they ever did, why do you not do what Jesus said and correct your errors first,?

True, that means going right back to basics, but better to look a fool to humans than to God and Christ in the judgement, as you do at present.

How much is your eternal life worth to you, because you've got no chance at the moment?

The question was, "Did Christ appear in 1874?"

You know the answer to that as well as I do.

Yeah, the same thing that happened in 1914 and 1925.

You also know that the brothers had literally only just been brought out of Apostate Christianity, and ah a lot to learn, but as I continually point out, they learned, which is far more than you have ever bothered to do.

What you call "apostate Christianity" did not teach that Christ would return or did return 1874. The BotchTower taught it.

"Fulfilled prophecy shows beyond a doubt that (Christ) did appear in 1874" - J. F. Rutherford

They were, once again, "reading the signs". What really happened in 1874? Not a thing.

MCB: "they learned, which is far more than you have ever bothered to do."

Ummm ... the quote I gave you was from FIFTY YEARS LATER. It took them 50 YEARS to figure out that nuttin happened in 1874? Looks like they'd have known that by 1875.
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3/19/2015 6:49:23 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 3/19/2015 5:50:35 PM, annanicole wrote:
At 3/19/2015 5:39:21 PM, MadCornishBiker wrote:
At 3/19/2015 4:27:23 PM, annanicole wrote:
At 3/19/2015 3:27:07 PM, MadCornishBiker wrote:
At 3/19/2015 1:42:52 PM, annanicole wrote:
At 3/19/2015 7:30:46 AM, MadCornishBiker wrote:
And their confusion.

CONFUSION?

"Fulfilled prophecy shows beyond a doubt that (Christ) did appear in 1874. Fulfilled prophecy is otherwise designated the physical facts; and these facts are indisputable....We understand that the jubilee type began to count in 1575 B.C.; and the 3,500 year period embracing the type must end in 1925....It follows, then, that the year 1925 will mark the beginning of the restoration of all things lost by Adam's disobedience." - "The Watchtower," 1922-NOV-1, Pages 333 & 346

"...there will be a resurrection of Abraham, Isaac, Jacob, and other faithful ones of old ... we may expect 1925 to witness the return of these faithful men of Israel from the condition of death, being resurrected and fully restored to perfect humanity and made the visible, legal representatives of the new order of things on earth.... Therefore we may confidently expect that 1925 will mark the return of Abraham, Isaac, Jacob and the faithful prophets of old, particularly those named by the Apostle in Hebrews 11, to the condition of human perfection." - "Millions now living will never die," (1918), Page 89

"Receiving the gift, the marching children clasped it to them, not a toy or plaything for idle pleasure, but the Lord's provided instrument for most effective work in the remaining months before Armageddon," - Watchtower, Sept. 15, 1941, p. 288

"Prophecy indicates that 1925-1926 will see the greater part of the ousting completed. All the world's statesmen are dreading the next few years." - The Way to Paradise, 171

... this chronology is not of man, but of God.... the addition of more proofs removes it entirely from the realm of chance into that of proven certainty.... the chronology of present truth [is]... not of human origin." - Watch Tower 1922 Jul 1 p.217

Notice the typical BotchTower certainty - the same sort we see from MCB on here:

(1) "removed entirely from the realm of chance"
(2) "proven certainty"
(3) "beyond a doubt"

It seems to me that the bulk of this "confusion" emanates from Brooklyn.

Judge Rutherford said, "Fulfilled prophecy shows beyond a doubt that (Christ) did appear in 1874"

Beyond a doubt, MadCornish. That means for you not to doubt it. Did Christ appear in 1874?

I probably wouldn't have doubted it then, but they learned better, very soon after and corrected their thinking, as they always do.

Again history is all you have

I know the question that Christ would ask you is this.

"You could see the errors they made, why could you not see your errors?"

You make more errors than they ever did, why do you not do what Jesus said and correct your errors first,?

True, that means going right back to basics, but better to look a fool to humans than to God and Christ in the judgement, as you do at present.

How much is your eternal life worth to you, because you've got no chance at the moment?

The question was, "Did Christ appear in 1874?"

You know the answer to that as well as I do.

Yeah, the same thing that happened in 1914 and 1925.

You also know that the brothers had literally only just been brought out of Apostate Christianity, and ah a lot to learn, but as I continually point out, they learned, which is far more than you have ever bothered to do.

What you call "apostate Christianity" did not teach that Christ would return or did return 1874. The BotchTower taught it.

"Fulfilled prophecy shows beyond a doubt that (Christ) did appear in 1874" - J. F. Rutherford

They were, once again, "reading the signs". What really happened in 1874? Not a thing.

MCB: "they learned, which is far more than you have ever bothered to do."

Ummm ... the quote I gave you was from FIFTY YEARS LATER. It took them 50 YEARS to figure out that nuttin happened in 1874? Looks like they'd have known that by 1875.

Again you go on and on about the past, about genuine errors now corrected.

What about the mass of errors on your teachings?

Errors which you cling to by any means, distorting or denying scripture rather than accept the truth from scripture.

Do you not think God will find that considerably more despicable than making mistakes and putting them right?

Put your own house in order first Anna.
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3/19/2015 8:45:10 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 3/19/2015 7:30:46 AM, MadCornishBiker wrote:
And their confusion.

That is the sort of confusion that is caused by the false teaching that Christ was also God, in other words the Trinity teaching and it's variants.

It was not God who came to earth and took on a body of flesh and blood, it was his son.

Literally his son, his first and only solo act of creation, who then worked with him in the acts of creation performed afterwards. No doubt once they had created the Angels they also used them in creation activities as well.

Jehovah has always proved to be the perfect delegator.

By it's unfaithful ventures into paganism, which took control after the last of the Apostles died and were no longer there to counter them, "Christianity" has continually corrupted the teachings of Christ and the Apostles, and thereby corrupted those they taught.

That is why, in this time of the end, Christ was proved correct in his concern voiced at
Luke 18:8 ASV(i) "8 I say unto you, that he will avenge them speedily. Nevertheless, when the Son of man cometh, shall he find faith on the earth?"

That sad condition meant that, in the mid 19th Century he had to start all over again,this time from heaven rather than on earth.

He did precisely the same thing in that he sought out a few people in roughly the same geographical area gathered them together, and by holy spirit drew them to teh truth and taught them so that they could gather other humans to him.

Delegation again see.

Because he wasn't physically present this time it took longer to teach them, and in fact that had not really learned enough until about 1920, when he cleaned the organisation out once again, removing his spirit from those that were not proving suitable, and so many left the organisation, unhappy with what those he was leading were doing..

However from that time on the organisation on the earth has gone from strength to strength, continually showing signs of Jehovah's, and therefore his son's, support and blessing.

However they found, and are still finding, as I do on here, that Jesus was also right when he said of these days, as recorded at Luke 17:26-30 ASV(i) "26 And as it came to pass in the days of Noah, even so shall it be also in the days of the Son of man. 27 They ate, they drank, they married, they were given in marriage, until the day that Noah entered into the ark, and the flood came, and destroyed them all. 28 Likewise even as it came to pass in the days of Lot; they ate, they drank, they bought, they sold, they planted, they builded; 29 but in the day that Lot went out from Sodom it rained fire and brimstone from heaven, and destroyed them all: 30 after the same manner shall it be in the day that the Son of man is revealed."

He hasn't been fully revealed yet. That is still a work in progress, but then he never said it would be a work of moments. Though admittedly nor did he tell his new followers that it would be the work of generations either.

It is still going on, but getting ever closer to the time when Matthew 24:14 will be completely fulfilled, and the end, Armageddon, will be brought in to clean the earth completely, just as the flood did in Noah's day.

There will be survivors, as there were at the flood, though one hopes there will be more than just 8, especially since after Armageddon comes the resurrection of all who have fallen asleep in death, and they will need re-orientation to their new state and surroundings, and teaching in God's ways.

For now, until Jehovah says enough, the work goes on.

God's Son is His thoughts that ALL us prophets and saints testified to and learned who we are and what God's plan is for His Son where ALL creation exists.

I Colossians 1:
15: He is the image of the invisible God, the first-born of all creation;
16: for in him all things were created, in heaven and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or dominions or principalities or authorities " all things were created through him and for him.
17: He is before all things, and in him all things hold together.
18: He is the head of the body, the church; he is the beginning, the first-born from the dead, that in everything he might be pre-eminent.
19: For in him all the fulness of God was pleased to dwell,

In God's thoughts, all the fullness of God was pleased to dwell.

Amos 4
13: For lo, he who forms the mountains, and creates the wind, and declares to man what is his thought;

I Samuel 2
2: There is none holy like the Lord, there is none besides thee; there is no rock like our God.
3: Talk no more so very proudly, let not arrogance come from your mouth; for the Lord is a God of knowledge, and by him actions are weighed.

Psalm 92
5: How great are thy works, O LORD! Thy thoughts are very deep!

6: The dull man cannot know, the stupid cannot understand this:

Psalm 94
7: and they say, "The LORD does not see; the God of Jacob does not perceive."
8: Understand, O dullest of the people! Fools, when will you be wise?
9: He who planted the ear, does he not hear? He who formed the eye, does he not see?
10: He who chastens the nations, does he not chastise? He who teaches men knowledge,
11: the LORD, knows the thoughts of man, that they are but a breath.


Psalm 139
17: How precious to me are thy thoughts, O God! How vast is the sum of them!


The true Son of God is His thoughts where we all came from, invisible and visible.
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3/19/2015 9:17:47 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 3/19/2015 6:49:23 PM, MadCornishBiker wrote:
At 3/19/2015 5:50:35 PM, annanicole wrote:
At 3/19/2015 5:39:21 PM, MadCornishBiker wrote:
At 3/19/2015 4:27:23 PM, annanicole wrote:
At 3/19/2015 3:27:07 PM, MadCornishBiker wrote:
At 3/19/2015 1:42:52 PM, annanicole wrote:
At 3/19/2015 7:30:46 AM, MadCornishBiker wrote:
And their confusion.

CONFUSION?

"Fulfilled prophecy shows beyond a doubt that (Christ) did appear in 1874. Fulfilled prophecy is otherwise designated the physical facts; and these facts are indisputable....We understand that the jubilee type began to count in 1575 B.C.; and the 3,500 year period embracing the type must end in 1925....It follows, then, that the year 1925 will mark the beginning of the restoration of all things lost by Adam's disobedience." - "The Watchtower," 1922-NOV-1, Pages 333 & 346

"...there will be a resurrection of Abraham, Isaac, Jacob, and other faithful ones of old ... we may expect 1925 to witness the return of these faithful men of Israel from the condition of death, being resurrected and fully restored to perfect humanity and made the visible, legal representatives of the new order of things on earth.... Therefore we may confidently expect that 1925 will mark the return of Abraham, Isaac, Jacob and the faithful prophets of old, particularly those named by the Apostle in Hebrews 11, to the condition of human perfection." - "Millions now living will never die," (1918), Page 89

"Receiving the gift, the marching children clasped it to them, not a toy or plaything for idle pleasure, but the Lord's provided instrument for most effective work in the remaining months before Armageddon," - Watchtower, Sept. 15, 1941, p. 288

"Prophecy indicates that 1925-1926 will see the greater part of the ousting completed. All the world's statesmen are dreading the next few years." - The Way to Paradise, 171

... this chronology is not of man, but of God.... the addition of more proofs removes it entirely from the realm of chance into that of proven certainty.... the chronology of present truth [is]... not of human origin." - Watch Tower 1922 Jul 1 p.217

Notice the typical BotchTower certainty - the same sort we see from MCB on here:

(1) "removed entirely from the realm of chance"
(2) "proven certainty"
(3) "beyond a doubt"

It seems to me that the bulk of this "confusion" emanates from Brooklyn.

Judge Rutherford said, "Fulfilled prophecy shows beyond a doubt that (Christ) did appear in 1874"

Beyond a doubt, MadCornish. That means for you not to doubt it. Did Christ appear in 1874?

I probably wouldn't have doubted it then, but they learned better, very soon after and corrected their thinking, as they always do.

Again history is all you have

I know the question that Christ would ask you is this.

"You could see the errors they made, why could you not see your errors?"

You make more errors than they ever did, why do you not do what Jesus said and correct your errors first,?

True, that means going right back to basics, but better to look a fool to humans than to God and Christ in the judgement, as you do at present.

How much is your eternal life worth to you, because you've got no chance at the moment?

The question was, "Did Christ appear in 1874?"

You know the answer to that as well as I do.

Yeah, the same thing that happened in 1914 and 1925.

You also know that the brothers had literally only just been brought out of Apostate Christianity, and ah a lot to learn, but as I continually point out, they learned, which is far more than you have ever bothered to do.

What you call "apostate Christianity" did not teach that Christ would return or did return 1874. The BotchTower taught it.

"Fulfilled prophecy shows beyond a doubt that (Christ) did appear in 1874" - J. F. Rutherford

They were, once again, "reading the signs". What really happened in 1874? Not a thing.

MCB: "they learned, which is far more than you have ever bothered to do."

Ummm ... the quote I gave you was from FIFTY YEARS LATER. It took them 50 YEARS to figure out that nuttin happened in 1874? Looks like they'd have known that by 1875.

Again you go on and on about the past, about genuine errors now corrected.

I asked how in the world it could have taken FIFTY YEARS to figure out that Jesus did not quite return in 1874? Heck, they were still teaching it 1922 - and telling people that it was "obvious" and "very plain" and rattled off a dozen "signs". They did then about like you do now.
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3/20/2015 5:27:17 AM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 3/19/2015 9:17:47 PM, annanicole wrote:
At 3/19/2015 6:49:23 PM, MadCornishBiker wrote:
At 3/19/2015 5:50:35 PM, annanicole wrote:
At 3/19/2015 5:39:21 PM, MadCornishBiker wrote:
At 3/19/2015 4:27:23 PM, annanicole wrote:
At 3/19/2015 3:27:07 PM, MadCornishBiker wrote:
At 3/19/2015 1:42:52 PM, annanicole wrote:
At 3/19/2015 7:30:46 AM, MadCornishBiker wrote:
And their confusion.

CONFUSION?

"Fulfilled prophecy shows beyond a doubt that (Christ) did appear in 1874. Fulfilled prophecy is otherwise designated the physical facts; and these facts are indisputable....We understand that the jubilee type began to count in 1575 B.C.; and the 3,500 year period embracing the type must end in 1925....It follows, then, that the year 1925 will mark the beginning of the restoration of all things lost by Adam's disobedience." - "The Watchtower," 1922-NOV-1, Pages 333 & 346

"...there will be a resurrection of Abraham, Isaac, Jacob, and other faithful ones of old ... we may expect 1925 to witness the return of these faithful men of Israel from the condition of death, being resurrected and fully restored to perfect humanity and made the visible, legal representatives of the new order of things on earth.... Therefore we may confidently expect that 1925 will mark the return of Abraham, Isaac, Jacob and the faithful prophets of old, particularly those named by the Apostle in Hebrews 11, to the condition of human perfection." - "Millions now living will never die," (1918), Page 89

"Receiving the gift, the marching children clasped it to them, not a toy or plaything for idle pleasure, but the Lord's provided instrument for most effective work in the remaining months before Armageddon," - Watchtower, Sept. 15, 1941, p. 288

"Prophecy indicates that 1925-1926 will see the greater part of the ousting completed. All the world's statesmen are dreading the next few years." - The Way to Paradise, 171

... this chronology is not of man, but of God.... the addition of more proofs removes it entirely from the realm of chance into that of proven certainty.... the chronology of present truth [is]... not of human origin." - Watch Tower 1922 Jul 1 p.217

Notice the typical BotchTower certainty - the same sort we see from MCB on here:

(1) "removed entirely from the realm of chance"
(2) "proven certainty"
(3) "beyond a doubt"

It seems to me that the bulk of this "confusion" emanates from Brooklyn.

Judge Rutherford said, "Fulfilled prophecy shows beyond a doubt that (Christ) did appear in 1874"

Beyond a doubt, MadCornish. That means for you not to doubt it. Did Christ appear in 1874?

I probably wouldn't have doubted it then, but they learned better, very soon after and corrected their thinking, as they always do.

Again history is all you have

I know the question that Christ would ask you is this.

"You could see the errors they made, why could you not see your errors?"

You make more errors than they ever did, why do you not do what Jesus said and correct your errors first,?

True, that means going right back to basics, but better to look a fool to humans than to God and Christ in the judgement, as you do at present.

How much is your eternal life worth to you, because you've got no chance at the moment?

The question was, "Did Christ appear in 1874?"

You know the answer to that as well as I do.

Yeah, the same thing that happened in 1914 and 1925.

You also know that the brothers had literally only just been brought out of Apostate Christianity, and ah a lot to learn, but as I continually point out, they learned, which is far more than you have ever bothered to do.

What you call "apostate Christianity" did not teach that Christ would return or did return 1874. The BotchTower taught it.

"Fulfilled prophecy shows beyond a doubt that (Christ) did appear in 1874" - J. F. Rutherford

They were, once again, "reading the signs". What really happened in 1874? Not a thing.

MCB: "they learned, which is far more than you have ever bothered to do."

Ummm ... the quote I gave you was from FIFTY YEARS LATER. It took them 50 YEARS to figure out that nuttin happened in 1874? Looks like they'd have known that by 1875.

Again you go on and on about the past, about genuine errors now corrected.

I asked how in the world it could have taken FIFTY YEARS to figure out that Jesus did not quite return in 1874? Heck, they were still teaching it 1922 - and telling people that it was "obvious" and "very plain" and rattled off a dozen "signs". They did then about like you do now.

Does it matter?

That is past, dead and gone.

Unlike the error yuo teach whihc you cling to like yu are haningn on to teh deck rails of teh Titanic.

Matthew 7:3-5
ASV(i) 3 And why beholdest thou the mote that is in thy brothers eye, but considerest not the beam that is in thine own eye? 4 Or how wilt thou say to thy brother, Let me cast out the mote out of thine eye; and lo, the beam is in thine own eye? 5 Thou hypocrite, cast out first the beam out of thine own eye; and then shalt thou see clearly to cast out the mote out of thy brothers eye.
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3/20/2015 6:15:34 AM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 3/20/2015 5:27:17 AM, MadCornishBiker wrote:
At 3/19/2015 9:17:47 PM, annanicole wrote:
At 3/19/2015 6:49:23 PM, MadCornishBiker wrote:
At 3/19/2015 5:50:35 PM, annanicole wrote:
At 3/19/2015 5:39:21 PM, MadCornishBiker wrote:
At 3/19/2015 4:27:23 PM, annanicole wrote:
At 3/19/2015 3:27:07 PM, MadCornishBiker wrote:
At 3/19/2015 1:42:52 PM, annanicole wrote:
At 3/19/2015 7:30:46 AM, MadCornishBiker wrote:
And their confusion.

CONFUSION?

"Fulfilled prophecy shows beyond a doubt that (Christ) did appear in 1874. Fulfilled prophecy is otherwise designated the physical facts; and these facts are indisputable....We understand that the jubilee type began to count in 1575 B.C.; and the 3,500 year period embracing the type must end in 1925....It follows, then, that the year 1925 will mark the beginning of the restoration of all things lost by Adam's disobedience." - "The Watchtower," 1922-NOV-1, Pages 333 & 346

"...there will be a resurrection of Abraham, Isaac, Jacob, and other faithful ones of old ... we may expect 1925 to witness the return of these faithful men of Israel from the condition of death, being resurrected and fully restored to perfect humanity and made the visible, legal representatives of the new order of things on earth.... Therefore we may confidently expect that 1925 will mark the return of Abraham, Isaac, Jacob and the faithful prophets of old, particularly those named by the Apostle in Hebrews 11, to the condition of human perfection." - "Millions now living will never die," (1918), Page 89

"Receiving the gift, the marching children clasped it to them, not a toy or plaything for idle pleasure, but the Lord's provided instrument for most effective work in the remaining months before Armageddon," - Watchtower, Sept. 15, 1941, p. 288

"Prophecy indicates that 1925-1926 will see the greater part of the ousting completed. All the world's statesmen are dreading the next few years." - The Way to Paradise, 171

... this chronology is not of man, but of God.... the addition of more proofs removes it entirely from the realm of chance into that of proven certainty.... the chronology of present truth [is]... not of human origin." - Watch Tower 1922 Jul 1 p.217

Notice the typical BotchTower certainty - the same sort we see from MCB on here:

(1) "removed entirely from the realm of chance"
(2) "proven certainty"
(3) "beyond a doubt"

It seems to me that the bulk of this "confusion" emanates from Brooklyn.

Judge Rutherford said, "Fulfilled prophecy shows beyond a doubt that (Christ) did appear in 1874"

Beyond a doubt, MadCornish. That means for you not to doubt it. Did Christ appear in 1874?

I probably wouldn't have doubted it then, but they learned better, very soon after and corrected their thinking, as they always do.

Again history is all you have

I know the question that Christ would ask you is this.

"You could see the errors they made, why could you not see your errors?"

You make more errors than they ever did, why do you not do what Jesus said and correct your errors first,?

True, that means going right back to basics, but better to look a fool to humans than to God and Christ in the judgement, as you do at present.

How much is your eternal life worth to you, because you've got no chance at the moment?

The question was, "Did Christ appear in 1874?"

You know the answer to that as well as I do.

Yeah, the same thing that happened in 1914 and 1925.

You also know that the brothers had literally only just been brought out of Apostate Christianity, and ah a lot to learn, but as I continually point out, they learned, which is far more than you have ever bothered to do.

What you call "apostate Christianity" did not teach that Christ would return or did return 1874. The BotchTower taught it.

"Fulfilled prophecy shows beyond a doubt that (Christ) did appear in 1874" - J. F. Rutherford

They were, once again, "reading the signs". What really happened in 1874? Not a thing.

MCB: "they learned, which is far more than you have ever bothered to do."

Ummm ... the quote I gave you was from FIFTY YEARS LATER. It took them 50 YEARS to figure out that nuttin happened in 1874? Looks like they'd have known that by 1875.

Again you go on and on about the past, about genuine errors now corrected.

I asked how in the world it could have taken FIFTY YEARS to figure out that Jesus did not quite return in 1874? Heck, they were still teaching it 1922 - and telling people that it was "obvious" and "very plain" and rattled off a dozen "signs". They did then about like you do now.

Does it matter?

Sure it does! Evidently they discovered some new and compelling evidence after 1922. After all, if a group of people loudly proclaim that Jesus returned in 1874 - for 50 years - we need to know why they stopped.
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3/20/2015 8:06:00 AM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 3/19/2015 8:40:28 AM, MadCornishBiker wrote:
At 3/19/2015 7:33:39 AM, DanneJeRusse wrote:
At 3/19/2015 7:30:46 AM, MadCornishBiker wrote:
Armageddon, will be brought in to clean the earth completely, just as the flood did in Noah's day.

So few words, so much hatred.

But it is love that prompts them because it is out of love that people are being warned what is coming and given the chance to escape it.

That is love not hate. Hate would be turning our backs on you all and just letting you all perish.

Real hate is trying to impeded the life saving work.

After all, if you see someone heading for a dangerous cliff edge and you love them, no mater how little, you warn them as we are.

If you hate them you just shrug your shoulders and say "let them fall" as you are doing.

Yes, so much hate in so few words, and all the hate is in your words, not mine.

Your childish fantasy of gods and boogeymen are only in your head, they are not real, so when you "love" other people by threatening... oops, 'warning' them of some impending doom, you are merely projecting your insane fantasy upon them, which is why you do nothing but cause conflict, which can easily be seen by everyone here. Not a single person here thinks you're sane. Deal with it and stop spreading the hatred.
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3/20/2015 8:24:20 AM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 3/20/2015 5:27:17 AM, MadCornishBiker wrote:
At 3/19/2015 9:17:47 PM, annanicole wrote:
At 3/19/2015 6:49:23 PM, MadCornishBiker wrote:
At 3/19/2015 5:50:35 PM, annanicole wrote:
At 3/19/2015 5:39:21 PM, MadCornishBiker wrote:
At 3/19/2015 4:27:23 PM, annanicole wrote:
At 3/19/2015 3:27:07 PM, MadCornishBiker wrote:
At 3/19/2015 1:42:52 PM, annanicole wrote:
At 3/19/2015 7:30:46 AM, MadCornishBiker wrote:
And their confusion.

CONFUSION?

"Fulfilled prophecy shows beyond a doubt that (Christ) did appear in 1874. Fulfilled prophecy is otherwise designated the physical facts; and these facts are indisputable....We understand that the jubilee type began to count in 1575 B.C.; and the 3,500 year period embracing the type must end in 1925....It follows, then, that the year 1925 will mark the beginning of the restoration of all things lost by Adam's disobedience." - "The Watchtower," 1922-NOV-1, Pages 333 & 346

"...there will be a resurrection of Abraham, Isaac, Jacob, and other faithful ones of old ... we may expect 1925 to witness the return of these faithful men of Israel from the condition of death, being resurrected and fully restored to perfect humanity and made the visible, legal representatives of the new order of things on earth.... Therefore we may confidently expect that 1925 will mark the return of Abraham, Isaac, Jacob and the faithful prophets of old, particularly those named by the Apostle in Hebrews 11, to the condition of human perfection." - "Millions now living will never die," (1918), Page 89

"Receiving the gift, the marching children clasped it to them, not a toy or plaything for idle pleasure, but the Lord's provided instrument for most effective work in the remaining months before Armageddon," - Watchtower, Sept. 15, 1941, p. 288

"Prophecy indicates that 1925-1926 will see the greater part of the ousting completed. All the world's statesmen are dreading the next few years." - The Way to Paradise, 171

... this chronology is not of man, but of God.... the addition of more proofs removes it entirely from the realm of chance into that of proven certainty.... the chronology of present truth [is]... not of human origin." - Watch Tower 1922 Jul 1 p.217

Notice the typical BotchTower certainty - the same sort we see from MCB on here:

(1) "removed entirely from the realm of chance"
(2) "proven certainty"
(3) "beyond a doubt"

It seems to me that the bulk of this "confusion" emanates from Brooklyn.

Judge Rutherford said, "Fulfilled prophecy shows beyond a doubt that (Christ) did appear in 1874"

Beyond a doubt, MadCornish. That means for you not to doubt it. Did Christ appear in 1874?

I probably wouldn't have doubted it then, but they learned better, very soon after and corrected their thinking, as they always do.

Again history is all you have

I know the question that Christ would ask you is this.

"You could see the errors they made, why could you not see your errors?"

You make more errors than they ever did, why do you not do what Jesus said and correct your errors first,?

True, that means going right back to basics, but better to look a fool to humans than to God and Christ in the judgement, as you do at present.

How much is your eternal life worth to you, because you've got no chance at the moment?

The question was, "Did Christ appear in 1874?"

You know the answer to that as well as I do.

Yeah, the same thing that happened in 1914 and 1925.

You also know that the brothers had literally only just been brought out of Apostate Christianity, and ah a lot to learn, but as I continually point out, they learned, which is far more than you have ever bothered to do.

What you call "apostate Christianity" did not teach that Christ would return or did return 1874. The BotchTower taught it.

"Fulfilled prophecy shows beyond a doubt that (Christ) did appear in 1874" - J. F. Rutherford

They were, once again, "reading the signs". What really happened in 1874? Not a thing.

MCB: "they learned, which is far more than you have ever bothered to do."

Ummm ... the quote I gave you was from FIFTY YEARS LATER. It took them 50 YEARS to figure out that nuttin happened in 1874? Looks like they'd have known that by 1875.

Again you go on and on about the past, about genuine errors now corrected.

I asked how in the world it could have taken FIFTY YEARS to figure out that Jesus did not quite return in 1874? Heck, they were still teaching it 1922 - and telling people that it was "obvious" and "very plain" and rattled off a dozen "signs". They did then about like you do now.

Does it matter?

That is past, dead and gone.

Unlike the error yuo teach whihc you cling to like yu are haningn on to teh deck rails of teh Titanic.

Matthew 7:3-5
ASV(i) 3 And why beholdest thou the mote that is in thy brothers eye, but considerest not the beam that is in thine own eye? 4 Or how wilt thou say to thy brother, Let me cast out the mote out of thine eye; and lo, the beam is in thine own eye? 5 Thou hypocrite, cast out first the beam out of thine own eye; and then shalt thou see clearly to cast out the mote out of thy brothers eye.

All Christians use scriptures like this to defend themselves and their false gospels about their false deity named Jesus. That's why there's so many different denominations of Christianity. Anyone who takes offence to another's interpretations can start a new denomination and be content until challenged of his interpretations.
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3/20/2015 8:51:14 AM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 3/20/2015 8:06:00 AM, DanneJeRusse wrote:
At 3/19/2015 8:40:28 AM, MadCornishBiker wrote:
At 3/19/2015 7:33:39 AM, DanneJeRusse wrote:
At 3/19/2015 7:30:46 AM, MadCornishBiker wrote:
Armageddon, will be brought in to clean the earth completely, just as the flood did in Noah's day.

So few words, so much hatred.

But it is love that prompts them because it is out of love that people are being warned what is coming and given the chance to escape it.

That is love not hate. Hate would be turning our backs on you all and just letting you all perish.

Real hate is trying to impeded the life saving work.

After all, if you see someone heading for a dangerous cliff edge and you love them, no mater how little, you warn them as we are.

If you hate them you just shrug your shoulders and say "let them fall" as you are doing.

Yes, so much hate in so few words, and all the hate is in your words, not mine.

Your childish fantasy of gods and boogeymen are only in your head, they are not real, so when you "love" other people by threatening... oops, 'warning' them of some impending doom, you are merely projecting your insane fantasy upon them, which is why you do nothing but cause conflict, which can easily be seen by everyone here. Not a single person here thinks you're sane. Deal with it and stop spreading the hatred.

The childishness is from such as you who hide from the truth because you are scared stiff of it.

Hatred comes from you, not from me.

Well, apparently Admin think I am sane, ,lol, I know know at least one or two others, but that just shows how freely you lie.

The truth, as Jesus would say, is not in you.
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3/20/2015 8:53:13 AM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 3/20/2015 6:15:34 AM, annanicole wrote:
At 3/20/2015 5:27:17 AM, MadCornishBiker wrote:


Does it matter?

Sure it does! Evidently they discovered some new and compelling evidence after 1922. After all, if a group of people loudly proclaim that Jesus returned in 1874 - for 50 years - we need to know why they stopped.

And I do so now because it is true, and a part of scriptural truth.

The answer to why they stopped is obvious. They leaned from their errors, which you steadfastly refuse to do.

Matthew 7:3-5
ASV(i) 3 And why beholdest thou the mote that is in thy brothers eye, but considerest not the beam that is in thine own eye? 4 Or how wilt thou say to thy brother, Let me cast out the mote out of thine eye; and lo, the beam is in thine own eye? 5 Thou hypocrite, cast out first the beam out of thine own eye; and then shalt thou see clearly to cast out the mote out of thy brothers eye.
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3/20/2015 11:41:34 AM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 3/20/2015 8:53:13 AM, MadCornishBiker wrote:
At 3/20/2015 6:15:34 AM, annanicole wrote:
At 3/20/2015 5:27:17 AM, MadCornishBiker wrote:


Does it matter?

Sure it does! Evidently they discovered some new and compelling evidence after 1922. After all, if a group of people loudly proclaim that Jesus returned in 1874 - for 50 years - we need to know why they stopped.

And I do so now because it is true, and a part of scriptural truth.

The answer to why they stopped is obvious. They leaned from their errors, which you steadfastly refuse to do.

They never said it was an error, and they never reviewed for folks exactly where they error was.
Madcornishbiker: "No, I don't need a dictionary, I know how scripture uses words and that is all I need to now."
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3/20/2015 12:59:51 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 3/20/2015 11:41:34 AM, annanicole wrote:
At 3/20/2015 8:53:13 AM, MadCornishBiker wrote:
At 3/20/2015 6:15:34 AM, annanicole wrote:
At 3/20/2015 5:27:17 AM, MadCornishBiker wrote:


Does it matter?

Sure it does! Evidently they discovered some new and compelling evidence after 1922. After all, if a group of people loudly proclaim that Jesus returned in 1874 - for 50 years - we need to know why they stopped.

And I do so now because it is true, and a part of scriptural truth.

The answer to why they stopped is obvious. They leaned from their errors, which you steadfastly refuse to do.

They never said it was an error, and they never reviewed for folks exactly where they error was.

They changed it Anna, which is ore than you do with your considerably more serious errors.

Matthew 7:3-5
ASV(i) 3 And why beholdest thou the mote that is in thy brothers eye, but considerest not the beam that is in thine own eye? 4 Or how wilt thou say to thy brother, Let me cast out the mote out of thine eye; and lo, the beam is in thine own eye? 5 Thou hypocrite, cast out first the beam out of thine own eye; and then shalt thou see clearly to cast out the mote out of thy brothers eye.
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3/20/2015 2:09:31 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 3/20/2015 12:59:51 PM, MadCornishBiker wrote:
At 3/20/2015 11:41:34 AM, annanicole wrote:
At 3/20/2015 8:53:13 AM, MadCornishBiker wrote:
At 3/20/2015 6:15:34 AM, annanicole wrote:
At 3/20/2015 5:27:17 AM, MadCornishBiker wrote:


Does it matter?

Sure it does! Evidently they discovered some new and compelling evidence after 1922. After all, if a group of people loudly proclaim that Jesus returned in 1874 - for 50 years - we need to know why they stopped.

And I do so now because it is true, and a part of scriptural truth.

The answer to why they stopped is obvious. They leaned from their errors, which you steadfastly refuse to do.

They never said it was an error, and they never reviewed for folks exactly where they error was.

They changed it Anna, which is ore than you do with your considerably more serious errors.

Changed it? With no explanation at all? They had whole long lists of charts with scriptures and world events and the like, all pointing to 1874. Then they just quit preaching it?
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3/20/2015 2:29:58 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 3/20/2015 2:09:31 PM, annanicole wrote:
At 3/20/2015 12:59:51 PM, MadCornishBiker wrote:
At 3/20/2015 11:41:34 AM, annanicole wrote:
At 3/20/2015 8:53:13 AM, MadCornishBiker wrote:
At 3/20/2015 6:15:34 AM, annanicole wrote:
At 3/20/2015 5:27:17 AM, MadCornishBiker wrote:


Does it matter?

Sure it does! Evidently they discovered some new and compelling evidence after 1922. After all, if a group of people loudly proclaim that Jesus returned in 1874 - for 50 years - we need to know why they stopped.

And I do so now because it is true, and a part of scriptural truth.

The answer to why they stopped is obvious. They leaned from their errors, which you steadfastly refuse to do.

They never said it was an error, and they never reviewed for folks exactly where they error was.

They changed it Anna, which is ore than you do with your considerably more serious errors.

Changed it? With no explanation at all? They had whole long lists of charts with scriptures and world events and the like, all pointing to 1874. Then they just quit preaching it?

Anna sort out your own spiritual problems first because they are many and serious.

Matthew 7:3-5
ASV(i) 3 And why beholdest thou the mote that is in thy brothers eye, but considerest not the beam that is in thine own eye? 4 Or how wilt thou say to thy brother, Let me cast out the mote out of thine eye; and lo, the beam is in thine own eye? 5 Thou hypocrite, cast out first the beam out of thine own eye; and then shalt thou see clearly to cast out the mote out of thy brothers eye.
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3/20/2015 2:39:28 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 3/20/2015 2:29:58 PM, MadCornishBiker wrote:
At 3/20/2015 2:09:31 PM, annanicole wrote:
At 3/20/2015 12:59:51 PM, MadCornishBiker wrote:
At 3/20/2015 11:41:34 AM, annanicole wrote:
At 3/20/2015 8:53:13 AM, MadCornishBiker wrote:
At 3/20/2015 6:15:34 AM, annanicole wrote:
At 3/20/2015 5:27:17 AM, MadCornishBiker wrote:


Does it matter?

Sure it does! Evidently they discovered some new and compelling evidence after 1922. After all, if a group of people loudly proclaim that Jesus returned in 1874 - for 50 years - we need to know why they stopped.

And I do so now because it is true, and a part of scriptural truth.

The answer to why they stopped is obvious. They leaned from their errors, which you steadfastly refuse to do.

They never said it was an error, and they never reviewed for folks exactly where they error was.

They changed it Anna, which is ore than you do with your considerably more serious errors.

Changed it? With no explanation at all? They had whole long lists of charts with scriptures and world events and the like, all pointing to 1874. Then they just quit preaching it?

Anna sort out your own spiritual problems first because they are many and serious.

LMAO @ no explanation at all
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