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POPOO5560
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3/21/2015 5:58:14 PM
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what is the purpose of man in christianity? just believe in Jesus died for your sins so you can have heaven without working hard for it? it doesnt have any logic at all. why you get internal salvation just because you believe something without striving for it?
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Toobu
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3/21/2015 6:19:25 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 3/21/2015 5:58:14 PM, POPOO5560 wrote:
what is the purpose of man in christianity? just believe in Jesus died for your sins so you can have heaven without working hard for it? it doesnt have any logic at all. why you get internal salvation just because you believe something without striving for it?

I have two answers: One from a christian standpoint, and one from an objective standpoint.

Christian: You're asking the wrong question. The underlying assumption is that christianity has a "purpose" other than giving man a route to salvation through Christ. This obviously insinuates that Christianity is not the true religion. If we assume all religions are false, then they have little purpose. Wrong question.

Objective: You are misrepresenting Christianity. Christianity should be the embodiment of showing brotherly love and mercy towards others. If everyone followed the teachings of the new testament, the world would be a near-perfect place. Thus, there purpose of Christianity is to be a religion that encourages forgiveness and mercy, without being hypocritical. In order to not be hypocritical, Christ/God also follows the standard of mercy and forgiveness.
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3/22/2015 11:11:58 AM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 3/21/2015 5:58:14 PM, POPOO5560 wrote:
what is the purpose of man in christianity? just believe in Jesus died for your sins so you can have heaven without working hard for it? it doesnt have any logic at all. why you get internal salvation just because you believe something without striving for it?

Actually the thing is, you can have your sins forgiven without any works. However, eternal life is for righteous. Therefore you must be or become righteous to have eternal life.

These will go away into eternal punishment, but the righteous into eternal life.
Mat. 25:46

For the wages of sin is death, but the free gift of God is eternal life in Christ Jesus our Lord.
Romans 6:23

For I tell you that unless your righteousness exceeds that of the scribes and Pharisees, there is no way you will enter into the Kingdom of Heaven.
Mat. 5:20

Righteousness is like right state of mind, attitude and understanding, which makes person to "produce good fruit". And if the "tree" is good and therefore produces good "fruit" it is not thrown to fire.

Even so, every good tree produces good fruit; but the corrupt tree produces evil fruit. A good tree can't produce evil fruit, neither can a corrupt tree produce good fruit. Every tree that doesn't grow good fruit is cut down, and thrown into the fire. Therefore, by their fruits you will know them.
Matt. 7:17-20

He who does righteousness is righteous, even as he is righteous. He who sins is of the devil, for the devil has been sinning from the beginning. To this end the Son of God was revealed, that he might destroy the works of the devil. Whoever is born of God doesn't commit sin, because his seed remains in him; and he can't sin, because he is born of God. In this the children of God are revealed, and the children of the devil. Whoever doesn't do righteousness is not of God, neither is he who doesn't love his brother.
1 John 3:7-10
celestialtorahteacher
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3/22/2015 4:26:47 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
Christianity shows humanity what is needed to transform human beings liable to violence against others into truly humane beings, and not a threat to the lives of other people but a boon, a helpmate to them. It's real simple: Christ provides the Humanitarian Archetype for changing human behavior from violence or violating other people's lives to being helpful to them.

Judaism can't give a Humanitarian Archetype as Moses was another killer of men, so too was Paul which makes Pauline Christianity subject to abuse by the government rulers Paul commanded Christians to obey or face God's condemnation to hell. So Paul too is no Humanitarian. And neither was Muhammad. Only Jesus Christ was the true Humanitarian and thus the Champion of our God of mercy and compassion and wisdom.
Rant
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3/22/2015 6:23:01 PM
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what is the purpose of man in christianity? just believe in Jesus died for your sins so you can have heaven without working hard for it? it doesnt have any logic at all> sure It does. Enjoy
Rant
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3/22/2015 6:27:01 PM
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That's why we will be going into Jacobs troubles in eye hair because people like you understand nothing! Enjoy
celestialtorahteacher
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3/22/2015 10:25:03 PM
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Poopoo, stop being suckered by Pauline Christianity. It isn't true Christianity as Paul taught Paul's ideas and not Jesus' teachings, which Paul seemed totally unaware of (the Gospels didn't exist then). There has always been Other Christian forms such as the very strong Gnostic Christian way as seen in the Gospel of Thomas, or Gospel of Philip. You fight against the Roman Jesus and why do you focus on a man-made mythology instead of seeking spiritual truth? I think it's because you believe like Muslims do that men's Word of God utterances are actually sanctioned by God instead of looking morally at what those Word of God words are actually telling believers to believe. A lot of it is bad instructions guaranteeing the person doing them to land in jail for violent acts such as your guy's monstrous instructions to chop off the heads of anyone who doesn't agree with your religious idols, the idol Muhammad and his paper and ink book idol, the Quran.
celestialtorahteacher
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3/22/2015 10:26:55 PM
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When you can't morally discern right from wrong in your own religious beliefs you certainly won't be able to tell it in other people's religious beliefs.
celestialtorahteacher
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3/22/2015 10:33:15 PM
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Here is one of the world's silliest ideas about God: That God would be offended by ant people's writings and we are as ants in our multiple strivings to our God of All things, past present and future. Only men get offended by critics and that's where these man-made religious ideas come from: egotistical men trying to protect their monstrous egos. Just look at boringofgod's sliding into anger now at all of us not respecting his lunatic idea he is God in the flesh. Well, Muhammad is right there with bornofgod paranoia of the egotistical phony Gentile trying to steal our Jewish charisma and our religion. Can't be done. All Gentile religious ideas eventually fall by the wayside of false religion.
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3/22/2015 10:35:04 PM
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Salvation is of the Jews and that's not negotiable or has Mormonism, Scientology or Muhammadism become the world's religious choice?
musicmoilover
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3/22/2015 10:45:28 PM
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At 3/21/2015 5:58:14 PM, POPOO5560 wrote:
what is the purpose of man in christianity? just believe in Jesus died for your sins so you can have heaven without working hard for it? it doesnt have any logic at all. why you get internal salvation just because you believe something without striving for it?

well... that is the pure beauty of christianity. The idea that God has such a great love for His children that you barely have to do a thing to inherit eternal life because He has already done everything for you is a love that is unfathomable. Also, it says in the bible that God is a just and fair judge, and when your judgement day comes, that God looks at the heart. This means that you can't just say that you believe in Jesus solely for the purpose of eternal life. You can't BS God. He knows who has a pure and honest heart when they accept Jesus into their lives, and who do it from a heart of love and humility rather than fear and greed.
RuvDraba
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3/22/2015 10:58:04 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 3/21/2015 5:58:14 PM, POPOO5560 wrote:
what is the purpose of man in christianity?

To try to be the Jewish people that Jesus wanted Hellenised Jews to be.

Nevermind that most Christians have no kinship to Jews, do not identify as Jews and have no desire to live according to Jewish tradition.

They're still trying hard to be the people Jesus wanted Jews to be before his attempt to promote a new Jewish national identity failed, and his apostles and their students took his teachings elsewhere.
celestialtorahteacher
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3/23/2015 7:47:34 AM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 3/22/2015 10:58:04 PM, RuvDraba wrote:
At 3/21/2015 5:58:14 PM, POPOO5560 wrote:
what is the purpose of man in christianity?

To try to be the Jewish people that Jesus wanted Hellenised Jews to be.

Me: Uh, pardon me, but didn't Jesus live with his own people, Jews? Which naturally explains why he addressed his audience as Jews?

Nevermind that most Christians have no kinship to Jews, do not identify as Jews and have no desire to live according to Jewish tradition.

Me: see my post above.

They're still trying hard to be the people Jesus wanted Jews to be before his attempt to promote a new Jewish national identity failed, and his apostles and their students took his teachings elsewhere.

Me: boy, some people are really blind when it comes to looking at history of Christianity. Or didn't you notice that Jesus quite nicely inspired a universal religion going far beyond Judaism and Jews which doesn't seem a failure at all, does it..
slo1
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3/23/2015 8:36:27 AM
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At 3/22/2015 10:45:28 PM, musicmoilover wrote:
At 3/21/2015 5:58:14 PM, POPOO5560 wrote:
what is the purpose of man in christianity? just believe in Jesus died for your sins so you can have heaven without working hard for it? it doesnt have any logic at all. why you get internal salvation just because you believe something without striving for it?

well... that is the pure beauty of christianity. The idea that God has such a great love for His children that you barely have to do a thing to inherit eternal life because He has already done everything for you is a love that is unfathomable. Also, it says in the bible that God is a just and fair judge, and when your judgement day comes, that God looks at the heart. This means that you can't just say that you believe in Jesus solely for the purpose of eternal life. You can't BS God. He knows who has a pure and honest heart when they accept Jesus into their lives, and who do it from a heart of love and humility rather than fear and greed.

That is too bad that what you just said does not represent mainstream Christianity.
DanneJeRusse
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3/23/2015 10:15:21 AM
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At 3/21/2015 5:58:14 PM, POPOO5560 wrote:
what is the purpose of man in christianity?

To mindlessly worship and praise, if you can actually call that a purpose.

One wonders what purpose the brain serves in Christianity, other than to keep the skull from caving in from banging it against walls.
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RuvDraba
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3/23/2015 11:41:29 AM
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At 3/23/2015 7:47:34 AM, celestialtorahteacher wrote:
didn't Jesus live with his own people, Jews? Which naturally explains why he addressed his audience as Jews?

Actually, someone hoping to be a messiah for the whole of humanity might have traveled a bit more -- gone to Rome proper and China, say -- preached in Latin and Han Chinese rather than Hebrew, and focused less on telling Jews about the virtues of Samaritans, and more on telling the more cosmopolitan populations about the worth of humanity over-all, wouldn't you think?

They're still trying hard to be the people Jesus wanted Jews to be before his attempt to promote a new Jewish national identity failed, and his apostles and their students took his teachings elsewhere.

Me: boy, some people are really blind when it comes to looking at history of Christianity. Or didn't you notice that Jesus quite nicely inspired a universal religion going far beyond Judaism and Jews which doesn't seem a failure at all, does it..

Jesus didn't inspire a world religion. His apostles and their followers kindled an imperial religion, by telling the Roman empire stories of a parochial messiah who never actually left Judaea -- a place most Romans had never visited, nor ever wanted to -- and by synthesising their Judaic revolutionary myths with Zoroastrianism -- the pre-eminent monotheistic faith of the day -- to adapt a failed Hellenistic Judaic reform movement into an offshoot cult suitable for transplanting among gentiles.

The transformation of Christianity from Judaic offshoot cult to imperial religion had very little to do with Jesus, and a great deal to do with Roman emperors Constantius I of the Constantine dynasty and Theodosias I of the Valentinian dynasty -- the former who standardised faith into canon and made it the faith of the imperial family, and the latter who rolled it out as the faith of of a creaking empire.

But setting aside the Zoroastrian messiah, the basic precepts of Christianity are still to teach Hellenistic Jews how to be less xenophobic and more civic-minded.

What else is the Old Testament doing included in a canon meant for peoples who were never members of the Twelve Tribes of Israel?
bornofgod
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3/23/2015 11:52:27 AM
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At 3/22/2015 10:35:04 PM, celestialtorahteacher wrote:
Salvation is of the Jews and that's not negotiable or has Mormonism, Scientology or Muhammadism become the world's religious choice?: :

Salvation was planned by our Creator for ALL His people ( Israel and Jacob ). If you understood these symbolic names, Israel and Jacob, in the prophecies, then you would understand everything that's written in the Bible.
musicmoilover
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3/23/2015 11:57:30 AM
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At 3/23/2015 8:36:27 AM, slo1 wrote:
At 3/22/2015 10:45:28 PM, musicmoilover wrote:
At 3/21/2015 5:58:14 PM, POPOO5560 wrote:
what is the purpose of man in christianity? just believe in Jesus died for your sins so you can have heaven without working hard for it? it doesnt have any logic at all. why you get internal salvation just because you believe something without striving for it?

well... that is the pure beauty of christianity. The idea that God has such a great love for His children that you barely have to do a thing to inherit eternal life because He has already done everything for you is a love that is unfathomable. Also, it says in the bible that God is a just and fair judge, and when your judgement day comes, that God looks at the heart. This means that you can't just say that you believe in Jesus solely for the purpose of eternal life. You can't BS God. He knows who has a pure and honest heart when they accept Jesus into their lives, and who do it from a heart of love and humility rather than fear and greed.

That is too bad that what you just said does not represent mainstream Christianity.

Unfortunately, any religion or church that you look up or hear about, is made by humans, so is inherently sinful and imperfect. And I do not deny that many Christians speak falsely of the bible and use it as an easy way out or as a way to gain power or preach hate, but the teachings of the bible are very clear and while Christians aren't perfect, God is. Honestly, whether you believe there is a God or not, I think that people could still learn a lot from the bible. The greatest commandment in the bible is to love your neighbor. Though mainstream conservative Christianity is the most prominent and heard about, a lot of what they say and "preach" is very contradictory to the actual teachings of the bible.