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3/24/2015 9:49:38 PM
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The Scientific method is a concept that enables us to know with great reliability as to whether something is true or false. But to even perform the scientific method and throughout the process, one must first use their intelligence. That means that every discovery or conclusion as the result of this method is only possible when one applies their intelligence. So since the very method scientists use to know how things came to exist and their function would not be possible unless they apply their intelligence, then it is only logical that the origin of the thing being studied also originated from intelligence, since what is from unintelligence cannot even be understood and applied. Proving God's existence.
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3/24/2015 10:08:24 PM
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At 3/24/2015 9:49:38 PM, Fatihah wrote:
The Scientific method is a concept that enables us to know with great reliability as to whether something is true or false. But to even perform the scientific method and throughout the process, one must first use their intelligence. That means that every discovery or conclusion as the result of this method is only possible when one applies their intelligence. So since the very method scientists use to know how things came to exist and their function would not be possible unless they apply their intelligence, then it is only logical that the origin of the thing being studied also originated from intelligence, since what is from unintelligence cannot even be understood and applied. Proving God's existence.

So you are claiming with no evidence what so ever that because intelligence developed, and can study the world around it, (a divinity) is there fore required.

Mm... pass.
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3/24/2015 10:29:13 PM
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At 3/24/2015 10:08:24 PM, FaustianJustice wrote:
At 3/24/2015 9:49:38 PM, Fatihah wrote:
The Scientific method is a concept that enables us to know with great reliability as to whether something is true or false. But to even perform the scientific method and throughout the process, one must first use their intelligence. That means that every discovery or conclusion as the result of this method is only possible when one applies their intelligence. So since the very method scientists use to know how things came to exist and their function would not be possible unless they apply their intelligence, then it is only logical that the origin of the thing being studied also originated from intelligence, since what is from unintelligence cannot even be understood and applied. Proving God's existence.

So you are claiming with no evidence what so ever that because intelligence developed, and can study the world around it, (a divinity) is there fore required.

Mm... pass.

Response: I'm demonstrating what you cannot deny, which is nothing you yourself accept as true would not be possible is you had no intelligence. So your own existence is proof of intelligent design, because it is completely illogical to claim you came from a concept you cannot even use to understand or apply.
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3/24/2015 10:30:45 PM
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At 3/24/2015 10:08:24 PM, FaustianJustice wrote:
At 3/24/2015 9:49:38 PM, Fatihah wrote:
The Scientific method is a concept that enables us to know with great reliability as to whether something is true or false. But to even perform the scientific method and throughout the process, one must first use their intelligence. That means that every discovery or conclusion as the result of this method is only possible when one applies their intelligence. So since the very method scientists use to know how things came to exist and their function would not be possible unless they apply their intelligence, then it is only logical that the origin of the thing being studied also originated from intelligence, since what is from unintelligence cannot even be understood and applied. Proving God's existence.

So you are claiming with no evidence what so ever that because intelligence developed, and can study the world around it, (a divinity) is there fore required.

Mm... pass.

Response: I'm demonstrating what you cannot deny, which is nothing you yourself accept as true would be possible if you had no intelligence. So your own existence is proof of intelligent design, because it is completely illogical to claim you came from a concept you cannot even use to understand or apply.
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3/24/2015 11:21:15 PM
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At 3/24/2015 10:30:45 PM, Fatihah wrote:
At 3/24/2015 10:08:24 PM, FaustianJustice wrote:
At 3/24/2015 9:49:38 PM, Fatihah wrote:
The Scientific method is a concept that enables us to know with great reliability as to whether something is true or false. But to even perform the scientific method and throughout the process, one must first use their intelligence. That means that every discovery or conclusion as the result of this method is only possible when one applies their intelligence. So since the very method scientists use to know how things came to exist and their function would not be possible unless they apply their intelligence, then it is only logical that the origin of the thing being studied also originated from intelligence, since what is from unintelligence cannot even be understood and applied. Proving God's existence.

So you are claiming with no evidence what so ever that because intelligence developed, and can study the world around it, (a divinity) is there fore required.

Mm... pass.

Response: I'm demonstrating what you cannot deny,

No, you are -asserting- it. Big difference.

which is nothing you yourself accept as true would be possible if you had no intelligence. So your own existence is proof of intelligent design, because it is completely illogical to claim you came from a concept you cannot even use to understand or apply.

And that doesn't logically follow it all, hence why its your assertion, and as I mentioned, I'll pass. If logic is developmental or intelligence is garnered through experience, the only recourse you have is to say such a "plan" occurred before such time as we now could prove it.

Which would of course be yet another bare assertion devoid of evidence, etc.
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3/25/2015 12:14:53 AM
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At 3/24/2015 9:49:38 PM, Fatihah wrote:
The Scientific method is a concept that enables us to know with great reliability as to whether something is true or false.
I would agree. The scientific method allows a more transparent understanding of the information we infer about realty.
But to even perform the scientific method and throughout the process, one must first use their intelligence.
Implementing cognitive functions is crucial, yes.
That means that every discovery or conclusion as the result of this method is only possible when one applies their intelligence.
Not necessarily, but a more accurate understanding of the information upon the application of critical thinking. Observations can be inaccurate.
So since the very method scientists use to know how things came to exist and their function would not be possible unless they apply their intelligence, then it is only logical that the origin of the thing being studied also originated from intelligence, since what is from unintelligence cannot even be understood and applied.
This is a profound claim and a tremendously unfounded leap in logic. We understand via the scientific method what is testable, observable, demonstrable, and re-testable. Do you have a model that can be tested to demonstrate your claim that the origin of life is of an intelligent entity? The case you have provided suggests that we utilize our intelligence (which I define as the application of logic and critical thinking) via the scientific method to demonstrate the validity of a claim, so shall we implement the scientific method to validate yours?
Proving God's existence.
Speculatively, you have a dubious case at best, but scientifically there has been no discovery of evidence to "reasonably" suggest an intelligence is responsible for the origin of existence.
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3/25/2015 12:37:08 AM
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Have you read the Gospel of the Flying Spaghetti Monster? It does a very good job rejecting the non-biblical beliefs of ID, replacing them with a far more logical UD (Unintelligent Design), which readily explains problems such as cancer, unlike ID.
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3/25/2015 3:41:58 AM
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At 3/24/2015 9:49:38 PM, Fatihah wrote:
The Scientific method is a concept that enables us to know with great reliability as to whether something is true or false. But to even perform the scientific method and throughout the process, one must first use their intelligence.

Is it intelligent because it is naturally intelligence, or because God deemed it to be intelligent? If first, then God does not follow. If second, then are you saying that evolution, quantum mechanics, and the many advanced arguments for atheism is all part of God's plan for the intelligence of man? Either way, this argument fails.

That means that every discovery or conclusion as the result of this method is only possible when one applies their intelligence. So since the very method scientists use to know how things came to exist and their function would not be possible unless they apply their intelligence, then it is only logical that the origin of the thing being studied also originated from intelligence, since what is from unintelligence cannot even be understood and applied. Proving God's existence.

lol...let us take a minute to observe God...oh wait, I'm not seeing anything!
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3/25/2015 3:53:51 AM
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At 3/24/2015 9:49:38 PM, Fatihah wrote:
The Scientific method is a concept that enables us to know with great reliability as to whether something is true or false. But to even perform the scientific method and throughout the process, one must first use their intelligence. That means that every discovery or conclusion as the result of this method is only possible when one applies their intelligence. So since the very method scientists use to know how things came to exist and their function would not be possible unless they apply their intelligence, then it is only logical that the origin of the thing being studied also originated from intelligence, since what is from unintelligence cannot even be understood and applied. Proving God's existence.

Garbage!
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3/25/2015 8:11:32 AM
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At 3/24/2015 11:21:15 PM, FaustianJustice wrote:
At 3/24/2015 10:30:45 PM, Fatihah wrote:
At 3/24/2015 10:08:24 PM, FaustianJustice wrote:
At 3/24/2015 9:49:38 PM, Fatihah wrote:
The Scientific method is a concept that enables us to know with great reliability as to whether something is true or false. But to even perform the scientific method and throughout the process, one must first use their intelligence. That means that every discovery or conclusion as the result of this method is only possible when one applies their intelligence. So since the very method scientists use to know how things came to exist and their function would not be possible unless they apply their intelligence, then it is only logical that the origin of the thing being studied also originated from intelligence, since what is from unintelligence cannot even be understood and applied. Proving God's existence.

So you are claiming with no evidence what so ever that because intelligence developed, and can study the world around it, (a divinity) is there fore required.

Mm... pass.

Response: I'm demonstrating what you cannot deny,


No, you are -asserting- it. Big difference.

which is nothing you yourself accept as true would be possible if you had no intelligence. So your own existence is proof of intelligent design, because it is completely illogical to claim you came from a concept you cannot even use to understand or apply.

And that doesn't logically follow it all, hence why its your assertion, and as I mentioned, I'll pass. If logic is developmental or intelligence is garnered through experience, the only recourse you have is to say such a "plan" occurred before such time as we now could prove it.

Which would of course be yet another bare assertion devoid of evidence, etc.

Response: It does logically follow. Since there very method you use to understand someething is only possible through intelligence, then it is completely illogical to claim that the origin of what you are studying came from unintelligence because there is no evidence to support it. So you are making the assumption.
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3/25/2015 8:16:02 AM
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At 3/25/2015 12:14:53 AM, intellectuallyprimitive wrote:
At 3/24/2015 9:49:38 PM, Fatihah wrote:
The Scientific method is a concept that enables us to know with great reliability as to whether something is true or false.
I would agree. The scientific method allows a more transparent understanding of the information we infer about realty.
But to even perform the scientific method and throughout the process, one must first use their intelligence.
Implementing cognitive functions is crucial, yes.
That means that every discovery or conclusion as the result of this method is only possible when one applies their intelligence.
Not necessarily, but a more accurate understanding of the information upon the application of critical thinking. Observations can be inaccurate.
So since the very method scientists use to know how things came to exist and their function would not be possible unless they apply their intelligence, then it is only logical that the origin of the thing being studied also originated from intelligence, since what is from unintelligence cannot even be understood and applied.
This is a profound claim and a tremendously unfounded leap in logic. We understand via the scientific method what is testable, observable, demonstrable, and re-testable. Do you have a model that can be tested to demonstrate your claim that the origin of life is of an intelligent entity? The case you have provided suggests that we utilize our intelligence (which I define as the application of logic and critical thinking) via the scientific method to demonstrate the validity of a claim, so shall we implement the scientific method to validate yours?
Proving God's existence.
Speculatively, you have a dubious case at best, but scientifically there has been no discovery of evidence to "reasonably" suggest an intelligence is responsible for the origin of existence.

Response: The scientific method does validate my claim since intelligence the method itself cannot be applied or understood without intelligence. So your own failure to show otherwise shows that unintelligence is an illogical claim to say things originated from it be sure it cannot be understood or applied.
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3/25/2015 8:19:18 AM
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At 3/25/2015 3:41:58 AM, 18Karl wrote:
At 3/24/2015 9:49:38 PM, Fatihah wrote:
The Scientific method is a concept that enables us to know with great reliability as to whether something is true or false. But to even perform the scientific method and throughout the process, one must first use their intelligence.

Is it intelligent because it is naturally intelligence, or because God deemed it to be intelligent? If first, then God does not follow. If second, then are you saying that evolution, quantum mechanics, and the many advanced arguments for atheism is all part of God's plan for the intelligence of man? Either way, this argument fails.

That means that every discovery or conclusion as the result of this method is only possible when one applies their intelligence. So since the very method scientists use to know how things came to exist and their function would not be possible unless they apply their intelligence, then it is only logical that the origin of the thing being studied also originated from intelligence, since what is from unintelligence cannot even be understood and applied. Proving God's existence.

lol...let us take a minute to observe God...oh wait, I'm not seeing anything!

Response: Whether you call it natural intelligence or from God still makes my point, which is it is only possible through intelligence. Therefore, unintelligence cannot be a possible source. So your rebuttal failed.
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3/25/2015 8:20:17 AM
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At 3/25/2015 3:53:51 AM, JJ50 wrote:
At 3/24/2015 9:49:38 PM, Fatihah wrote:
The Scientific method is a concept that enables us to know with great reliability as to whether something is true or false. But to even perform the scientific method and throughout the process, one must first use their intelligence. That means that every discovery or conclusion as the result of this method is only possible when one applies their intelligence. So since the very method scientists use to know how things came to exist and their function would not be possible unless they apply their intelligence, then it is only logical that the origin of the thing being studied also originated from intelligence, since what is from unintelligence cannot even be understood and applied. Proving God's existence.

Garbage!

Response: Likewise.
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3/25/2015 9:03:02 AM
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At 3/24/2015 9:49:38 PM, Fatihah wrote:
The Scientific method is a concept that enables us to know with great reliability as to whether something is true or false. But to even perform the scientific method and throughout the process, one must first use their intelligence. That means that every discovery or conclusion as the result of this method is only possible when one applies their intelligence. So since the very method scientists use to know how things came to exist and their function would not be possible unless they apply their intelligence, then it is only logical that the origin of the thing being studied also originated from intelligence, since what is from unintelligence cannot even be understood and applied. Proving God's existence.

The Scientific Method is not mentioned in the Quran or any other religious scripture. By your logic, your holy book was not meant to apply intelligence nor came from intelligence, proving God's existence, an unintelligent God, of course.
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3/25/2015 9:19:34 AM
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At 3/25/2015 9:03:02 AM, DanneJeRusse wrote:

The Scientific Method is not mentioned in the Quran or any other religious scripture. By your logic, your holy book was not meant to apply intelligence nor came from intelligence, proving God's existence, an unintelligent God, of course.

Response: If the scientific method is not accurate evidence because it is not mentioned in the Qur'an, then according to your own logic, the method is false and the Qur'an is the source of truth. Debunking yourself and proving the Qur'an is true.
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3/25/2015 9:24:09 AM
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At 3/25/2015 9:19:34 AM, Fatihah wrote:
At 3/25/2015 9:03:02 AM, DanneJeRusse wrote:

The Scientific Method is not mentioned in the Quran or any other religious scripture. By your logic, your holy book was not meant to apply intelligence nor came from intelligence, proving God's existence, an unintelligent God, of course.

Response: If the scientific method is not accurate evidence because it is not mentioned in the Qur'an, then according to your own logic, the method is false and the Qur'an is the source of truth. Debunking yourself and proving the Qur'an is true.

Yes, the Scientific Method is false. Science is very bad, you should steer clear of it every chance you get.
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3/25/2015 9:25:43 AM
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To save people time, the argument is:

The universe can be understood. Therefore God.

Problem: This limits God's omnipotence since he can only create an understandable universe. Placing limits on God's omnipotence is a contradiction. Therefore the argument fails.
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3/25/2015 9:34:29 AM
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At 3/25/2015 9:25:43 AM, dee-em wrote:
To save people time, the argument is:

The universe can be understood. Therefore God.

Problem: This limits God's omnipotence since he can only create an understandable universe. Placing limits on God's omnipotence is a contradiction. Therefore the argument fails.

Response: The argument is unintillegence cannot be applied and understood to know anything, so to give it credit as a source of origin is illogical because the source itself cannot be used or applied in understanding.

Simply put, one cannot give logical credit to an illogical concept. Therefore, God exist since only logic supports it.
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3/25/2015 9:46:42 AM
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At 3/25/2015 9:34:29 AM, Fatihah wrote:
At 3/25/2015 9:25:43 AM, dee-em wrote:
To save people time, the argument is:

The universe can be understood. Therefore God.

Problem: This limits God's omnipotence since he can only create an understandable universe. Placing limits on God's omnipotence is a contradiction. Therefore the argument fails.

Response: The argument is unintillegence cannot be applied and understood to know anything, so to give it credit as a source of origin is illogical because the source itself cannot be used or applied in understanding.

Simply put, one cannot give logical credit to an illogical concept. Therefore, God exist since only logic supports it.

Who is proposing a source of origin for the universe (intellegent or otherwise)? Only you as a theist. If you assume your conclusion you can win any argument! Lol.
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3/25/2015 10:06:56 AM
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At 3/25/2015 9:46:42 AM, dee-em wrote:
At 3/25/2015 9:34:29 AM, Fatihah wrote:
At 3/25/2015 9:25:43 AM, dee-em wrote:
To save people time, the argument is:

The universe can be understood. Therefore God.

Problem: This limits God's omnipotence since he can only create an understandable universe. Placing limits on God's omnipotence is a contradiction. Therefore the argument fails.

Response: The argument is unintillegence cannot be applied and understood to know anything, so to give it credit as a source of origin is illogical because the source itself cannot be used or applied in understanding.

Simply put, one cannot give logical credit to an illogical concept. Therefore, God exist since only logic supports it.

Who is proposing a source of origin for the universe (intellegent or otherwise)? Only you as a theist. If you assume your conclusion you can win any argument! Lol.

Response: And if the conclusion is supported by evidence that you (the atheist/agnostic) cannot refute, then your rebuttal own logic makes me win.
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3/25/2015 10:12:54 AM
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At 3/25/2015 10:06:56 AM, Fatihah wrote:
At 3/25/2015 9:46:42 AM, dee-em wrote:
At 3/25/2015 9:34:29 AM, Fatihah wrote:
At 3/25/2015 9:25:43 AM, dee-em wrote:
To save people time, the argument is:

The universe can be understood. Therefore God.

Problem: This limits God's omnipotence since he can only create an understandable universe. Placing limits on God's omnipotence is a contradiction. Therefore the argument fails.

Response: The argument is unintillegence cannot be applied and understood to know anything, so to give it credit as a source of origin is illogical because the source itself cannot be used or applied in understanding.

Simply put, one cannot give logical credit to an illogical concept. Therefore, God exist since only logic supports it.

Who is proposing a source of origin for the universe (intellegent or otherwise)? Only you as a theist. If you assume your conclusion you can win any argument! Lol.

Response: And if the conclusion is supported by evidence that you (the atheist/agnostic) cannot refute, then your rebuttal own logic makes me win.

Those conclusions are supported by science, but since science is evil, you should not look at it as your eyes may turn to fire and burn out of your head.
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3/25/2015 10:28:30 AM
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At 3/24/2015 9:49:38 PM, Fatihah wrote:
The Scientific method is a concept that enables us to know with great reliability as to whether something is true or false. But to even perform the scientific method and throughout the process, one must first use their intelligence. That means that every discovery or conclusion as the result of this method is only possible when one applies their intelligence. So since the very method scientists use to know how things came to exist and their function would not be possible unless they apply their intelligence, then it is only logical that the origin of the thing being studied also originated from intelligence, since what is from unintelligence cannot even be understood and applied. Proving God's existence.: :

Science and religion are not ways to find ME. I told My people to listen to My Voice and obey My commandments and I will tell them who I AM and who they are.
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3/25/2015 10:34:04 AM
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At 3/24/2015 9:49:38 PM, Fatihah wrote:
The Scientific method is a concept that enables us to know with great reliability as to whether something is true or false. But to even perform the scientific method and throughout the process, one must first use their intelligence. That means that every discovery or conclusion as the result of this method is only possible when one applies their intelligence. So since the very method scientists use to know how things came to exist and their function would not be possible unless they apply their intelligence, then it is only logical that the origin of the thing being studied also originated from intelligence, since what is from unintelligence cannot even be understood and applied. Proving God's existence.

So then do you accept scientific conclusions that used the scientific method? Like evolution, global warming and dinosaurs?
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3/25/2015 11:10:28 AM
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At 3/25/2015 8:16:02 AM, Fatihah wrote:

Response: The scientific method does validate my claim since intelligence the method itself cannot be applied or understood without intelligence.

That's called the Circular Reasoning fallacy in which the reasoner begins with what they are trying to end with. The components of a circular argument are often logically valid because if the premises are true, the conclusion must be true.

So your own failure to show otherwise shows that unintelligence is an illogical claim to say things originated from it be sure it cannot be understood or applied.

But, one of the main effects on how intelligence originated is the vast periods of time required, which is often not taken into account. You yourself talked about my grandparents swinging from trees throwing feces at one another. That to is exactly what I'm referring.

The concept of evolution must take into account these huge timeframes in which very small changes can add up to large, complex results. Intelligence is merely one of the many branches of those changes, like tails, flippers, eyes, etc. all that which makes up the diversity we observe in nature. All this took billions of years and millions of generations of tiny changes to occur.
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3/25/2015 11:23:41 AM
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At 3/25/2015 10:34:04 AM, Bennett91 wrote:
At 3/24/2015 9:49:38 PM, Fatihah wrote:
The Scientific method is a concept that enables us to know with great reliability as to whether something is true or false. But to even perform the scientific method and throughout the process, one must first use their intelligence. That means that every discovery or conclusion as the result of this method is only possible when one applies their intelligence. So since the very method scientists use to know how things came to exist and their function would not be possible unless they apply their intelligence, then it is only logical that the origin of the thing being studied also originated from intelligence, since what is from unintelligence cannot even be understood and applied. Proving God's existence.

So then do you accept scientific conclusions that used the scientific method? Like evolution, global warming and dinosaurs?

Response: I never really looked into global warming, but the scientific method shows that evolution and dinosaurs are false. It is atheists and agnostics who try to persuade it is true, not the method itself. Case in point, neither you nor anyone can provide observable evidence of a species evolving into another or a fossil forming. So the scientific method actually shows that both concepts are false.
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3/25/2015 11:32:47 AM
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At 3/25/2015 11:10:28 AM, DanneJeRusse wrote:
At 3/25/2015 8:16:02 AM, Fatihah wrote:

Response: The scientific method does validate my claim since intelligence the method itself cannot be applied or understood without intelligence.

That's called the Circular Reasoning fallacy in which the reasoner begins with what they are trying to end with. The components of a circular argument are often logically valid because if the premises are true, the conclusion must be true.

Response: Rather, it's called irrefutable evidence, since you failed to show the scientific method is possible without intelligence. This confirming that intelligence is the logical answer for the cause of existence.


So your own failure to show otherwise shows that unintelligence is an illogical claim to say things originated from it be sure it cannot be understood or applied.

But, one of the main effects on how intelligence originated is the vast periods of time required, which is often not taken into account. You yourself talked about my grandparents swinging from trees throwing feces at one another. That to is exactly what I'm referring.

Response: Yet the scientific method itself shows otherwise, since all evidence discovered from it is based on intelligence.


The concept of evolution must take into account these huge timeframes in which very small changes can add up to large, complex results. Intelligence is merely one of the many branches of those changes, like tails, flippers, eyes, etc. all that which makes up the diversity we observe in nature. All this took billions of years and millions of generations of tiny changes to occur.

Response: Yet the scientific method shows otherwise, since the method is based on intelligence.
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3/25/2015 11:52:41 AM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 3/24/2015 9:49:38 PM, Fatihah wrote:
The Scientific method is a concept that enables us to know with great reliability as to whether something is true or false. But to even perform the scientific method and throughout the process, one must first use their intelligence. That means that every discovery or conclusion as the result of this method is only possible when one applies their intelligence. So since the very method scientists use to know how things came to exist and their function would not be possible unless they apply their intelligence, then it is only logical that the origin of the thing being studied also originated from intelligence, since what is from unintelligence cannot even be understood and applied. Proving God's existence.

"The Scientific method is a concept that enables us to know with great reliability as to whether something is true or false." I agree. The application of the scientific method has discovered the truth that the universe is 13.7 billion years old, the Earth is 4.5 billion years old, life on Earth is 3.5 billion years old, life evolved, there was no Adam, no Eve. The scientific method has found no evidence of any gods, and no reason to think any gods exist. And the god claim cannot be validated by scientific method of which has "great reliability as to whether something is true or false." Therefore there are no good reasons to believe in any gods.
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3/25/2015 11:57:22 AM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 3/25/2015 11:52:41 AM, NoMagic wrote:
At 3/24/2015 9:49:38 PM, Fatihah wrote:
The Scientific method is a concept that enables us to know with great reliability as to whether something is true or false. But to even perform the scientific method and throughout the process, one must first use their intelligence. That means that every discovery or conclusion as the result of this method is only possible when one applies their intelligence. So since the very method scientists use to know how things came to exist and their function would not be possible unless they apply their intelligence, then it is only logical that the origin of the thing being studied also originated from intelligence, since what is from unintelligence cannot even be understood and applied. Proving God's existence.


"The Scientific method is a concept that enables us to know with great reliability as to whether something is true or false." I agree. The application of the scientific method has discovered the truth that the universe is 13.7 billion years old, the Earth is 4.5 billion years old, life on Earth is 3.5 billion years old, life evolved, there was no Adam, no Eve. The scientific method has found no evidence of any gods, and no reason to think any gods exist. And the god claim cannot be validated by scientific method of which has "great reliability as to whether something is true or false." Therefore there are no good reasons to believe in any gods.

Response: Yet we see that the scientific method itself is proof God exist because you cannot apply it unless you use intelligence, which means what comes from unintelligence is illogical. So you cannot logically apply the creation originated from unintelligence.
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3/25/2015 12:06:37 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 3/25/2015 11:32:47 AM, Fatihah wrote:
At 3/25/2015 11:10:28 AM, DanneJeRusse wrote:
At 3/25/2015 8:16:02 AM, Fatihah wrote:

Response: The scientific method does validate my claim since intelligence the method itself cannot be applied or understood without intelligence.

That's called the Circular Reasoning fallacy in which the reasoner begins with what they are trying to end with. The components of a circular argument are often logically valid because if the premises are true, the conclusion must be true.

Response: Rather, it's called irrefutable evidence, since you failed to show the scientific method is possible without intelligence. This confirming that intelligence is the logical answer for the cause of existence.

Circular reasoning.



So your own failure to show otherwise shows that unintelligence is an illogical claim to say things originated from it be sure it cannot be understood or applied.

But, one of the main effects on how intelligence originated is the vast periods of time required, which is often not taken into account. You yourself talked about my grandparents swinging from trees throwing feces at one another. That to is exactly what I'm referring.

Response: Yet the scientific method itself shows otherwise, since all evidence discovered from it is based on intelligence.

That is circular reasoning.


The concept of evolution must take into account these huge timeframes in which very small changes can add up to large, complex results. Intelligence is merely one of the many branches of those changes, like tails, flippers, eyes, etc. all that which makes up the diversity we observe in nature. All this took billions of years and millions of generations of tiny changes to occur.

Response: Yet the scientific method shows otherwise, since the method is based on intelligence.

Circular reasoning. You have not addressed any points made at all.
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3/25/2015 1:02:27 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 3/25/2015 12:06:37 PM, DanneJeRusse wrote:
At 3/25/2015 11:32:47 AM, Fatihah wrote:
At 3/25/2015 11:10:28 AM, DanneJeRusse wrote:
At 3/25/2015 8:16:02 AM, Fatihah wrote:

Response: The scientific method does validate my claim since intelligence the method itself cannot be applied or understood without intelligence.

That's called the Circular Reasoning fallacy in which the reasoner begins with what they are trying to end with. The components of a circular argument are often logically valid because if the premises are true, the conclusion must be true.

Response: Rather, it's called irrefutable evidence, since you failed to show the scientific method is possible without intelligence. This confirming that intelligence is the logical answer for the cause of existence.

Circular reasoning.

Response: Deluded response.

So your own failure to show otherwise shows that unintelligence is an illogical claim to say things originated from it be sure it cannot be understood or applied.

But, one of the main effects on how intelligence originated is the vast periods of time required, which is often not taken into account. You yourself talked about my grandparents swinging from trees throwing feces at one another. That to is exactly what I'm referring.

Response: Yet the scientific method itself shows otherwise, since all evidence discovered from it is based on intelligence.

That is circular reasoning.

Response: Rather, it's irrefutable evidence.

The concept of evolution must take into account these huge timeframes in which very small changes can add up to large, complex results. Intelligence is merely one of the many branches of those changes, like tails, flippers, eyes, etc. all that which makes up the diversity we observe in nature. All this took billions of years and millions of generations of tiny changes to occur.

Response: Yet the scientific method shows otherwise, since the method is based on intelligence.

Circular reasoning. You have not addressed any points made at all.

Response: Your points were addressed and refuted.