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3/25/2015 1:43:54 PM
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At 3/25/2015 1:33:01 PM, ChristianPunk wrote:
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Sorry, I can't see the video from where I work due to security issues. Jupiter may have prevented some impacts but all you need to do is look at where the planet has been struck, take a look at all the impact craters on the Moon and you'll see that it's hardly any kind of absolute shield against anything.
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3/25/2015 5:29:22 PM
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All short period comets which appear every 200 years or less, have their aphelion in the orbit of Jupiter, having been captured by the mass of that planet and flung in toward our sun. In this instance, Jupiter could be more of a threat rather than our protector, as one of those comets may have been the cause of the extinction of the great upright walking reptiles, which ruled the world for some 3 million years.
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3/25/2015 8:21:11 PM
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At 3/25/2015 5:29:22 PM, Gentorev wrote:
At 3/25/2015 1:33:01 PM, ChristianPunk wrote:
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All short period comets which appear every 200 years or less, have their aphelion in the orbit of Jupiter, having been captured by the mass of that planet and flung in toward our sun. In this instance, Jupiter could be more of a threat rather than our protector, as one of those comets may have been the cause of the extinction of the great upright walking reptiles, which ruled the world for some 3 million years.

More like 200 million years.
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3/25/2015 9:10:52 PM
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At 3/25/2015 8:21:11 PM, dee-em wrote:
At 3/25/2015 5:29:22 PM, Gentorev wrote:
At 3/25/2015 1:33:01 PM, ChristianPunk wrote:
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All short period comets which appear every 200 years or less, have their aphelion in the orbit of Jupiter, having been captured by the mass of that planet and flung in toward our sun. In this instance, Jupiter could be more of a threat rather than our protector, as one of those comets may have been the cause of the extinction of the great upright walking reptiles, which ruled the world for some 3 million years.

More like 200 million years.

Thanks for the correction mate, 165 years to be correct. The old upright walking reptile, who has now been forced to crawl on his belly and eat dust, became extinct some 65 million years ago. No species could exist for 165 million years without developing a high level of intelligence, making them the unqualified success story in the history of life on Earth.

What a shame that the heavenly godhead to that species refused to bow before the NEW image of the MOST HIGH in the creation, and had to be destroyed.

If not for that great extinction, the opportunity for the evolution of man may never have occurred.
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3/25/2015 9:13:30 PM
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At 3/25/2015 9:10:52 PM, Gentorev wrote:
At 3/25/2015 8:21:11 PM, dee-em wrote:
At 3/25/2015 5:29:22 PM, Gentorev wrote:
At 3/25/2015 1:33:01 PM, ChristianPunk wrote:
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All short period comets which appear every 200 years or less, have their aphelion in the orbit of Jupiter, having been captured by the mass of that planet and flung in toward our sun. In this instance, Jupiter could be more of a threat rather than our protector, as one of those comets may have been the cause of the extinction of the great upright walking reptiles, which ruled the world for some 3 million years.

More like 200 million years.

Thanks for the correction mate, 165 years to be correct. The old upright walking reptile, who has now been forced to crawl on his belly and eat dust, became extinct some 65 million years ago. No species could exist for 165 million years without developing a high level of intelligence, making them the unqualified success story in the history of life on Earth.

What a shame that the heavenly godhead to that species refused to bow before the NEW image of the MOST HIGH in the creation, and had to be destroyed.

If not for that great extinction, the opportunity for the evolution of man may never have occurred.

EDIT: Thanks for the correction mate, 165 MILLION years to be correct.
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3/25/2015 9:21:23 PM
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I still don't know what this thread has to do with religion. So Jupiter acted as a shield for the rocky inner planets such as Venus, Earth and Mars. So what? God-did-it?
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3/25/2015 9:24:54 PM
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3/25/2015 9:34:08 PM
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The situation is actually a lot more complicated than Jupiter just being a shield:

If Jupiter and Saturn hadn't formed where they did -- and at the sizes they did -- as the disk of dust and gas around our sun coalesced, then our solar system would be a very different and possibly more hostile place, new research suggests. Computer models reveal that in the solar system's first 3 million years or so, gravitational interactions with Jupiter, Saturn, and the gas in the protoplanetary disk would have driven super-Earth-sized planets closer to the sun and into increasingly elliptical orbits. In such paths, a cascade of collisions would have blasted any orbs present there into ever smaller bits, which in turn would have been slowed by the interplanetary equivalent of atmospheric drag and eventually plunged into the sun. As Jupiter retreated from its closest approach to the sun, it left behind the mostly rocky remnants that later coalesced into our solar system's inner planets, including Earth.

http://io9.com...
http://news.sciencemag.org...
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3/25/2015 10:12:40 PM
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At 3/25/2015 9:21:23 PM, dee-em wrote:
I still don't know what this thread has to do with religion. So Jupiter acted as a shield for the rocky inner planets such as Venus, Earth and Mars. So what? God-did-it?

"Under the guidance of Jupiter (Planet) man prepares, by means of religious exercises, for the journey to the life beyond and he attains rest under the influence of Saturn." (Basra Encyclopaedia), --- De Boer, Philosophy in Islam, p, 88.

"The world being melted and re-entered into the bosom of Jupiter, this God continues for some time totally concentered in himself: . . . afterwards we see a new world spring from him, perfect in all its parts; animals are produced anew; an innocent race of man is formed under more favourable auspices, in order to people this earth." " Seneca, Epist, 9, and Qucest. Nat. L. 3, c, ult.

In dream I saw the heavens ablaze with balls of fire
Huge hailstones that were burning and streaking down the sky
The earth was clothed in purple, dark orange and deep blue
Like a swaddling cloth surrounding us that hid the stars from view.
Dark clouds rose from the mountain peaks; Earth"s veins were opened wide
Through which her inner blood spewed forth in streams of living fire
Whole continents, they heaved and tossed, waves rippled through the ground
In all the earth, no hiding place of safety could be found.

The oceans boiled, they foamed and rose, destroying cities on their shores
All the river dams were busted; valley towns were seen no more
The power stations of the earth? All were melted down
A few survivors of the human race were all that could be found.
And then I saw the winter, a winter so sever
It last not a few short months, but many, many years
And the women who were pregnant, O God; the children that they bore!
Grotesque and hideous malformations, I pray to see that sight no more.

Then when the winter lifted and the crops began to grow
A strange and eerie world emerged from the destruction and the snow
A world with neither day nor night, where even rainbows couldn"t form
In the atmosphere above the earth, and yet the air was strangely warm.
A thousand years of twilight and through that swaddling band on high
Three blood red giants were glowing through a hazed and orange sky.
The sun and moon had turned to blood, yet far brighter than the moon
Was Jupiter the heavenly light, which in time would spell man"s doom""..Gentorev.

"I call upon the star Tishtar=Jupiter, the brilliant, the glorious; at the time when it is in the form of a Bull with golden horns I call it most." (Vendidad, (Pahlavi), XIX . 126).---Haug, Essays, p. 389.
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3/25/2015 10:42:35 PM
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At 3/25/2015 9:34:08 PM, dee-em wrote:
The situation is actually a lot more complicated than Jupiter just being a shield:

If Jupiter and Saturn hadn't formed where they did -- and at the sizes they did -- as the disk of dust and gas around our sun coalesced, then our solar system would be a very different and possibly more hostile place, new research suggests. Computer models reveal that in the solar system's first 3 million years or so, gravitational interactions with Jupiter, Saturn, and the gas in the protoplanetary disk would have driven super-Earth-sized planets closer to the sun and into increasingly elliptical orbits. In such paths, a cascade of collisions would have blasted any orbs present there into ever smaller bits, which in turn would have been slowed by the interplanetary equivalent of atmospheric drag and eventually plunged into the sun. As Jupiter retreated from its closest approach to the sun, it left behind the mostly rocky remnants that later coalesced into our solar system's inner planets, including Earth.

http://io9.com...
http://news.sciencemag.org...

dee-em wrote.........as the disk of dust and gas around our sun coalesced, then our solar system would be a very different and possibly more hostile place, new research suggests.

Gentorev...........Correction: "as the disk of dust and gas around our "Proto-Sun" coalesced, then our solar system would be a very different and possibly more hostile place, new research suggests.

Because of its great compression, the core of the "PROTO-SUN" finally reached about 10 million Kelvin and after the planets of the solar system had been created, the hydrogen nuclei started fusing together to produce helium nuclei and a lot of energy. It was then that the Sun "turned on" and produced the strong winds called T-Tauri winds named after the prototype star in the constellation Taurus. These winds swept out the rest of the nebula that was not already incorporated into the planets. With most of the cocoon gas blown away, the new star itself becomes visible to the outside for the first time. This whole process took just a few hundred million years and was finished by about 4.6 billion years ago.

Proving the bible to be correct in stating that the earth was created before the SUN.
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3/25/2015 11:35:44 PM
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At 3/25/2015 10:42:35 PM, Gentorev wrote:
At 3/25/2015 9:34:08 PM, dee-em wrote:
The situation is actually a lot more complicated than Jupiter just being a shield:

If Jupiter and Saturn hadn't formed where they did -- and at the sizes they did -- as the disk of dust and gas around our sun coalesced, then our solar system would be a very different and possibly more hostile place, new research suggests. Computer models reveal that in the solar system's first 3 million years or so, gravitational interactions with Jupiter, Saturn, and the gas in the protoplanetary disk would have driven super-Earth-sized planets closer to the sun and into increasingly elliptical orbits. In such paths, a cascade of collisions would have blasted any orbs present there into ever smaller bits, which in turn would have been slowed by the interplanetary equivalent of atmospheric drag and eventually plunged into the sun. As Jupiter retreated from its closest approach to the sun, it left behind the mostly rocky remnants that later coalesced into our solar system's inner planets, including Earth.

http://io9.com...
http://news.sciencemag.org...

dee-em wrote.........as the disk of dust and gas around our sun coalesced, then our solar system would be a very different and possibly more hostile place, new research suggests.

Gentorev...........Correction: "as the disk of dust and gas around our "Proto-Sun" coalesced, then our solar system would be a very different and possibly more hostile place, new research suggests.

Because of its great compression, the core of the "PROTO-SUN" finally reached about 10 million Kelvin and after the planets of the solar system had been created, the hydrogen nuclei started fusing together to produce helium nuclei and a lot of energy. It was then that the Sun "turned on" and produced the strong winds called T-Tauri winds named after the prototype star in the constellation Taurus. These winds swept out the rest of the nebula that was not already incorporated into the planets. With most of the cocoon gas blown away, the new star itself becomes visible to the outside for the first time. This whole process took just a few hundred million years and was finished by about 4.6 billion years ago.

Proving the bible to be correct in stating that the earth was created before the SUN.

What a load of bovine excrement. The proto-Sun was the Sun. It's like saying a candle is not a candle until you light it. Lol.

I love the way theists take what they accept as a natural process (the formation of a star) and still try to find somewhere to squeeze in their god. You just don't get it. If you accept a proto-star and the process by which it evolves to become main sequence, God is not required. He's an answer to a problem that doesn't exist.
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3/26/2015 12:21:08 AM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 3/25/2015 11:35:44 PM, dee-em wrote:
At 3/25/2015 10:42:35 PM, Gentorev wrote:
At 3/25/2015 9:34:08 PM, dee-em wrote:
The situation is actually a lot more complicated than Jupiter just being a shield:

If Jupiter and Saturn hadn't formed where they did -- and at the sizes they did -- as the disk of dust and gas around our sun coalesced, then our solar system would be a very different and possibly more hostile place, new research suggests. Computer models reveal that in the solar system's first 3 million years or so, gravitational interactions with Jupiter, Saturn, and the gas in the protoplanetary disk would have driven super-Earth-sized planets closer to the sun and into increasingly elliptical orbits. In such paths, a cascade of collisions would have blasted any orbs present there into ever smaller bits, which in turn would have been slowed by the interplanetary equivalent of atmospheric drag and eventually plunged into the sun. As Jupiter retreated from its closest approach to the sun, it left behind the mostly rocky remnants that later coalesced into our solar system's inner planets, including Earth.

http://io9.com...
http://news.sciencemag.org...

dee-em wrote.........as the disk of dust and gas around our sun coalesced, then our solar system would be a very different and possibly more hostile place, new research suggests.

Gentorev...........Correction: "as the disk of dust and gas around our "Proto-Sun" coalesced, then our solar system would be a very different and possibly more hostile place, new research suggests.

Because of its great compression, the core of the "PROTO-SUN" finally reached about 10 million Kelvin and after the planets of the solar system had been created, the hydrogen nuclei started fusing together to produce helium nuclei and a lot of energy. It was then that the Sun "turned on" and produced the strong winds called T-Tauri winds named after the prototype star in the constellation Taurus. These winds swept out the rest of the nebula that was not already incorporated into the planets. With most of the cocoon gas blown away, the new star itself becomes visible to the outside for the first time. This whole process took just a few hundred million years and was finished by about 4.6 billion years ago.

Proving the bible to be correct in stating that the earth was created before the SUN.

What a load of bovine excrement. The proto-Sun was the Sun. It's like saying a candle is not a candle until you light it. Lol.

I love the way theists take what they accept as a natural process (the formation of a star) and still try to find somewhere to squeeze in their god. You just don't get it. If you accept a proto-star and the process by which it evolves to become main sequence, God is not required. He's an answer to a problem that doesn't exist.

Not so! This is how the LOGOS created our solar system, of which the star that we call our sun, is at its centre.

What a load of bovine excrement, said our little ignorant mate, dee-em. The proto-Sun was the Sun, says he. Next thing, he'll be trying to tell us that the proto-humans, were in fact human beings.

The centre of the condensing solar cloud that was separated from the greater galactic nebula cloud, did not become a star=our sun, until the hydrogen nuclei started fusing together to produce helium nuclei and a lot of energy.

When the solar nebula stopped collapsing it began cooling, though the core that would later form the Sun remained hot. This meant that the outer parts of the solar nebula cooled off more than the inner parts closer to the hot proto-Sun. Only metal and rock materials could condense (solidify) at the high temperatures close to the proto-Sun. Therefore, the metal and rock materials could condense in all the places where the planets were forming. Volatile materials (like water, methane and ammonia) could only condense in the outer parts of the solar nebula.

Because of its great compression, the core of the condensing solar cloud"PROTO-SUN" finally reached about 10 million Kelvin and after the planets of the solar system had been created, the hydrogen nuclei started fusing together to produce helium nuclei and a lot of energy. It was then that the Proto-Sun "became a STAR" and produced the strong winds called T-Tauri winds named after the prototype star in the constellation Taurus. These winds swept out the rest of the nebula that was not already incorporated into the planets. With most of the cocoon gas blown away, the new star itself becomes visible to the outside for the first time. This whole process took just a few hundred million years and was finished by about 4.6 billion years ago.

The Oort cloud or the "pik"Oort cloud (named after Jan Oort), is a spherical cloud of predominantly icy objects that may extend up to roughly 50,000 AU, or nearly a light-year, from the Sun. This places the cloud at nearly a quarter of the distance to Proxima Centauri, the nearest star to the Sun. The Kuiper belt and the scattered disc, the other two reservoirs of trans-Neptunian objects, are less than one thousandth of the Oort cloud's distance. The outer limit of the Oort cloud defines the cosmographical boundary of the Solar System and the region of the Sun's gravitational dominance..

This spherical ice cloud is the dome of the heavens that God created, in which he formed the planets, sun and moon. It separates, the waters above from the waters below. Or the solar cloud that was separated from the galactic nebula cloud.

The Oort cloud is thought to comprise two separate regions: a spherical outer Oort cloud and a disc-shaped inner Oort cloud, or Hills cloud. Objects in the Oort cloud are largely composed of ices, such as water, ammonia, and methane.
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3/26/2015 12:46:07 AM
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At 3/26/2015 12:21:08 AM, Gentorev wrote:
At 3/25/2015 11:35:44 PM, dee-em wrote:
At 3/25/2015 10:42:35 PM, Gentorev wrote:
At 3/25/2015 9:34:08 PM, dee-em wrote:
The situation is actually a lot more complicated than Jupiter just being a shield:

If Jupiter and Saturn hadn't formed where they did -- and at the sizes they did -- as the disk of dust and gas around our sun coalesced, then our solar system would be a very different and possibly more hostile place, new research suggests. Computer models reveal that in the solar system's first 3 million years or so, gravitational interactions with Jupiter, Saturn, and the gas in the protoplanetary disk would have driven super-Earth-sized planets closer to the sun and into increasingly elliptical orbits. In such paths, a cascade of collisions would have blasted any orbs present there into ever smaller bits, which in turn would have been slowed by the interplanetary equivalent of atmospheric drag and eventually plunged into the sun. As Jupiter retreated from its closest approach to the sun, it left behind the mostly rocky remnants that later coalesced into our solar system's inner planets, including Earth.

http://io9.com...
http://news.sciencemag.org...

dee-em wrote.........as the disk of dust and gas around our sun coalesced, then our solar system would be a very different and possibly more hostile place, new research suggests.

Gentorev...........Correction: "as the disk of dust and gas around our "Proto-Sun" coalesced, then our solar system would be a very different and possibly more hostile place, new research suggests.

Because of its great compression, the core of the "PROTO-SUN" finally reached about 10 million Kelvin and after the planets of the solar system had been created, the hydrogen nuclei started fusing together to produce helium nuclei and a lot of energy. It was then that the Sun "turned on" and produced the strong winds called T-Tauri winds named after the prototype star in the constellation Taurus. These winds swept out the rest of the nebula that was not already incorporated into the planets. With most of the cocoon gas blown away, the new star itself becomes visible to the outside for the first time. This whole process took just a few hundred million years and was finished by about 4.6 billion years ago.

Proving the bible to be correct in stating that the earth was created before the SUN.

What a load of bovine excrement. The proto-Sun was the Sun. It's like saying a candle is not a candle until you light it. Lol.

I love the way theists take what they accept as a natural process (the formation of a star) and still try to find somewhere to squeeze in their god. You just don't get it. If you accept a proto-star and the process by which it evolves to become main sequence, God is not required. He's an answer to a problem that doesn't exist.

Not so! This is how the LOGOS created our solar system, of which the star that we call our sun, is at its centre.

What a load of bovine excrement, said our little ignorant mate, dee-em. The proto-Sun was the Sun, says he. Next thing, he'll be trying to tell us that the proto-humans, were in fact human beings.

Do you know what 'proto' means in Greek, Gen? It means 'first'. You should be able to answer your own question.

The centre of the condensing solar cloud that was separated from the greater galactic nebula cloud, did not become a star=our sun, until the hydrogen nuclei started fusing together to produce helium nuclei and a lot of energy.

When the solar nebula stopped collapsing it began cooling, though the core that would later form the Sun remained hot. This meant that the outer parts of the solar nebula cooled off more than the inner parts closer to the hot proto-Sun. Only metal and rock materials could condense (solidify) at the high temperatures close to the proto-Sun. Therefore, the metal and rock materials could condense in all the places where the planets were forming. Volatile materials (like water, methane and ammonia) could only condense in the outer parts of the solar nebula.

Because of its great compression, the core of the condensing solar cloud"PROTO-SUN" finally reached about 10 million Kelvin and after the planets of the solar system had been created, the hydrogen nuclei started fusing together to produce helium nuclei and a lot of energy. It was then that the Proto-Sun "became a STAR" and produced the strong winds called T-Tauri winds named after the prototype star in the constellation Taurus. These winds swept out the rest of the nebula that was not already incorporated into the planets. With most of the cocoon gas blown away, the new star itself becomes visible to the outside for the first time. This whole process took just a few hundred million years and was finished by about 4.6 billion years ago.

The Oort cloud or the "pik"Oort cloud (named after Jan Oort), is a spherical cloud of predominantly icy objects that may extend up to roughly 50,000 AU, or nearly a light-year, from the Sun. This places the cloud at nearly a quarter of the distance to Proxima Centauri, the nearest star to the Sun. The Kuiper belt and the scattered disc, the other two reservoirs of trans-Neptunian objects, are less than one thousandth of the Oort cloud's distance. The outer limit of the Oort cloud defines the cosmographical boundary of the Solar System and the region of the Sun's gravitational dominance..

This spherical ice cloud is the dome of the heavens that God created, in which he formed the planets, sun and moon. It separates, the waters above from the waters below. Or the solar cloud that was separated from the galactic nebula cloud.

The Oort cloud is thought to comprise two separate regions: a spherical outer Oort cloud and a disc-shaped inner Oort cloud, or Hills cloud. Objects in the Oort cloud are largely composed of ices, such as water, ammonia, and methane.

Thank you for the lesson in star formation, Gen. Where in all that is there a problem which requires God? Did you neglect to address that little issue?

Look, you're an intelligent guy and you obviously enjoy scientific topics, even if you drop the odd clanger now and again. Why complicate the wonder and majesty of the natural universe with concepts which don't aid in understanding it? You must know how desperate you sound when you attempt to shoehorn the nonsense of the Bible into scientific explanations. It's completely unnecessary.
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3/26/2015 1:53:55 AM
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At 3/26/2015 12:46:07 AM, dee-em wrote:
At 3/26/2015 12:21:08 AM, Gentorev wrote:
At 3/25/2015 11:35:44 PM, dee-em wrote:
At 3/25/2015 10:42:35 PM, Gentorev wrote:
At 3/25/2015 9:34:08 PM, dee-em wrote:
The situation is actually a lot more complicated than Jupiter just being a shield:

If Jupiter and Saturn hadn't formed where they did -- and at the sizes they did -- as the disk of dust and gas around our sun coalesced, then our solar system would be a very different and possibly more hostile place, new research suggests. Computer models reveal that in the solar system's first 3 million years or so, gravitational interactions with Jupiter, Saturn, and the gas in the protoplanetary disk would have driven super-Earth-sized planets closer to the sun and into increasingly elliptical orbits. In such paths, a cascade of collisions would have blasted any orbs present there into ever smaller bits, which in turn would have been slowed by the interplanetary equivalent of atmospheric drag and eventually plunged into the sun. As Jupiter retreated from its closest approach to the sun, it left behind the mostly rocky remnants that later coalesced into our solar system's inner planets, including Earth.

http://io9.com...
http://news.sciencemag.org...

dee-em wrote.........as the disk of dust and gas around our sun coalesced, then our solar system would be a very different and possibly more hostile place, new research suggests.

Gentorev...........Correction: "as the disk of dust and gas around our "Proto-Sun" coalesced, then our solar system would be a very different and possibly more hostile place, new research suggests.

Because of its great compression, the core of the "PROTO-SUN" finally reached about 10 million Kelvin and after the planets of the solar system had been created, the hydrogen nuclei started fusing together to produce helium nuclei and a lot of energy. It was then that the Sun "turned on" and produced the strong winds called T-Tauri winds named after the prototype star in the constellation Taurus. These winds swept out the rest of the nebula that was not already incorporated into the planets. With most of the cocoon gas blown away, the new star itself becomes visible to the outside for the first time. This whole process took just a few hundred million years and was finished by about 4.6 billion years ago.

Proving the bible to be correct in stating that the earth was created before the SUN.

What a load of bovine excrement. The proto-Sun was the Sun. It's like saying a candle is not a candle until you light it. Lol.

I love the way theists take what they accept as a natural process (the formation of a star) and still try to find somewhere to squeeze in their god. You just don't get it. If you accept a proto-star and the process by which it evolves to become main sequence, God is not required. He's an answer to a problem that doesn't exist.

Not so! This is how the LOGOS created our solar system, of which the star that we call our sun, is at its centre.

What a load of bovine excrement, said our little ignorant mate, dee-em. The proto-Sun was the Sun, says he. Next thing, he'll be trying to tell us that the proto-humans, were in fact human beings.

Do you know what 'proto' means in Greek, Gen? It means 'first'. You should be able to answer your own question.

The centre of the condensing solar cloud that was separated from the greater galactic nebula cloud, did not become a star=our sun, until the hydrogen nuclei started fusing together to produce helium nuclei and a lot of energy.

When the solar nebula stopped collapsing it began cooling, though the core that would later form the Sun remained hot. This meant that the outer parts of the solar nebula cooled off more than the inner parts closer to the hot proto-Sun. Only metal and rock materials could condense (solidify) at the high temperatures close to the proto-Sun. Therefore, the metal and rock materials could condense in all the places where the planets were forming. Volatile materials (like water, methane and ammonia) could only condense in the outer parts of the solar nebula.

Because of its great compression, the core of the condensing solar cloud"PROTO-SUN" finally reached about 10 million Kelvin and after the planets of the solar system had been created, the hydrogen nuclei started fusing together to produce helium nuclei and a lot of energy. It was then that the Proto-Sun "became a STAR" and produced the strong winds called T-Tauri winds named after the prototype star in the constellation Taurus. These winds swept out the rest of the nebula that was not already incorporated into the planets. With most of the cocoon gas blown away, the new star itself becomes visible to the outside for the first time. This whole process took just a few hundred million years and was finished by about 4.6 billion years ago.

The Oort cloud or the "pik"Oort cloud (named after Jan Oort), is a spherical cloud of predominantly icy objects that may extend up to roughly 50,000 AU, or nearly a light-year, from the Sun. This places the cloud at nearly a quarter of the distance to Proxima Centauri, the nearest star to the Sun. The Kuiper belt and the scattered disc, the other two reservoirs of trans-Neptunian objects, are less than one thousandth of the Oort cloud's distance. The outer limit of the Oort cloud defines the cosmographical boundary of the Solar System and the region of the Sun's gravitational dominance..

This spherical ice cloud is the dome of the heavens that God created, in which he formed the planets, sun and moon. It separates, the waters above from the waters below. Or the solar cloud that was separated from the galactic nebula cloud.

The Oort cloud is thought to comprise two separate regions: a spherical outer Oort cloud and a disc-shaped inner Oort cloud, or Hills cloud. Objects in the Oort cloud are largely composed of ices, such as water, ammonia, and methane.

Thank you for the lesson in star formation, Gen. Where in all that is there a problem which requires God? Did you neglect to address that little issue?

Look, you're an intelligent guy and you obviously enjoy scientific topics, even if you drop the odd clanger now and again. Why complicate the wonder and majesty of the natural universe with concepts which don't aid in understanding it? You must know how desperate you sound when you attempt to shoehorn the nonsense of the Bible into scientific explanations. It's completely unnecessary.

Well I'm not going to debate with you about who has dropped the most clangers, like you saying that the Star=sun was created before the planets of our solar system.
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3/26/2015 3:45:54 AM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 3/26/2015 1:53:55 AM, Gentorev wrote:
At 3/26/2015 12:46:07 AM, dee-em wrote:
At 3/26/2015 12:21:08 AM, Gentorev wrote:
At 3/25/2015 11:35:44 PM, dee-em wrote:
At 3/25/2015 10:42:35 PM, Gentorev wrote:
At 3/25/2015 9:34:08 PM, dee-em wrote:
The situation is actually a lot more complicated than Jupiter just being a shield:

If Jupiter and Saturn hadn't formed where they did -- and at the sizes they did -- as the disk of dust and gas around our sun coalesced, then our solar system would be a very different and possibly more hostile place, new research suggests. Computer models reveal that in the solar system's first 3 million years or so, gravitational interactions with Jupiter, Saturn, and the gas in the protoplanetary disk would have driven super-Earth-sized planets closer to the sun and into increasingly elliptical orbits. In such paths, a cascade of collisions would have blasted any orbs present there into ever smaller bits, which in turn would have been slowed by the interplanetary equivalent of atmospheric drag and eventually plunged into the sun. As Jupiter retreated from its closest approach to the sun, it left behind the mostly rocky remnants that later coalesced into our solar system's inner planets, including Earth.

http://io9.com...
http://news.sciencemag.org...

dee-em wrote.........as the disk of dust and gas around our sun coalesced, then our solar system would be a very different and possibly more hostile place, new research suggests.

Gentorev...........Correction: "as the disk of dust and gas around our "Proto-Sun" coalesced, then our solar system would be a very different and possibly more hostile place, new research suggests.

Because of its great compression, the core of the "PROTO-SUN" finally reached about 10 million Kelvin and after the planets of the solar system had been created, the hydrogen nuclei started fusing together to produce helium nuclei and a lot of energy. It was then that the Sun "turned on" and produced the strong winds called T-Tauri winds named after the prototype star in the constellation Taurus. These winds swept out the rest of the nebula that was not already incorporated into the planets. With most of the cocoon gas blown away, the new star itself becomes visible to the outside for the first time. This whole process took just a few hundred million years and was finished by about 4.6 billion years ago.

Proving the bible to be correct in stating that the earth was created before the SUN.

What a load of bovine excrement. The proto-Sun was the Sun. It's like saying a candle is not a candle until you light it. Lol.

I love the way theists take what they accept as a natural process (the formation of a star) and still try to find somewhere to squeeze in their god. You just don't get it. If you accept a proto-star and the process by which it evolves to become main sequence, God is not required. He's an answer to a problem that doesn't exist.

Not so! This is how the LOGOS created our solar system, of which the star that we call our sun, is at its centre.

What a load of bovine excrement, said our little ignorant mate, dee-em. The proto-Sun was the Sun, says he. Next thing, he'll be trying to tell us that the proto-humans, were in fact human beings.

Do you know what 'proto' means in Greek, Gen? It means 'first'. You should be able to answer your own question.

The centre of the condensing solar cloud that was separated from the greater galactic nebula cloud, did not become a star=our sun, until the hydrogen nuclei started fusing together to produce helium nuclei and a lot of energy.

When the solar nebula stopped collapsing it began cooling, though the core that would later form the Sun remained hot. This meant that the outer parts of the solar nebula cooled off more than the inner parts closer to the hot proto-Sun. Only metal and rock materials could condense (solidify) at the high temperatures close to the proto-Sun. Therefore, the metal and rock materials could condense in all the places where the planets were forming. Volatile materials (like water, methane and ammonia) could only condense in the outer parts of the solar nebula.

Because of its great compression, the core of the condensing solar cloud"PROTO-SUN" finally reached about 10 million Kelvin and after the planets of the solar system had been created, the hydrogen nuclei started fusing together to produce helium nuclei and a lot of energy. It was then that the Proto-Sun "became a STAR" and produced the strong winds called T-Tauri winds named after the prototype star in the constellation Taurus. These winds swept out the rest of the nebula that was not already incorporated into the planets. With most of the cocoon gas blown away, the new star itself becomes visible to the outside for the first time. This whole process took just a few hundred million years and was finished by about 4.6 billion years ago.

The Oort cloud or the "pik"Oort cloud (named after Jan Oort), is a spherical cloud of predominantly icy objects that may extend up to roughly 50,000 AU, or nearly a light-year, from the Sun. This places the cloud at nearly a quarter of the distance to Proxima Centauri, the nearest star to the Sun. The Kuiper belt and the scattered disc, the other two reservoirs of trans-Neptunian objects, are less than one thousandth of the Oort cloud's distance. The outer limit of the Oort cloud defines the cosmographical boundary of the Solar System and the region of the Sun's gravitational dominance..

This spherical ice cloud is the dome of the heavens that God created, in which he formed the planets, sun and moon. It separates, the waters above from the waters below. Or the solar cloud that was separated from the galactic nebula cloud.

The Oort cloud is thought to comprise two separate regions: a spherical outer Oort cloud and a disc-shaped inner Oort cloud, or Hills cloud. Objects in the Oort cloud are largely composed of ices, such as water, ammonia, and methane.

Thank you for the lesson in star formation, Gen. Where in all that is there a problem which requires God? Did you neglect to address that little issue?

Look, you're an intelligent guy and you obviously enjoy scientific topics, even if you drop the odd clanger now and again. Why complicate the wonder and majesty of the natural universe with concepts which don't aid in understanding it? You must know how desperate you sound when you attempt to shoehorn the nonsense of the Bible into scientific explanations. It's completely unnecessary.

Well I'm not going to debate with you about who has dropped the most clangers, like you saying that the Star=sun was created before the planets of our solar system.

Created? Where did I use that word? The Sun and the planets formed concurrently. The process was entirely natural as you have so helpfully explained. You really do sound desperate.
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3/26/2015 7:39:01 AM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 3/26/2015 3:45:54 AM, dee-em wrote.........Created? Where did I use that word? The Sun and the planets formed concurrently. The process was entirely natural as you have so helpfully explained. You really do sound desperate.

Gentorev..........No mate, you are incorrect again as usual. Within the condensing cloud from which our solar system was created over a period of some 400 million years, the earth was created long before the core of the condensing super hot cloud would become the star that we call our sun.

In fact, according to God's word, the life from which all fauna and flora would evolve=(FORM) already existed on earth before the core of the super hot condensing cloud finally reached some 10 million Kelvin and the hydrogen nuclei started fusing together to produce helium nuclei and a lot of energy and our star finally burst into life.

FORMED: (1) To give form to; Shape; mould. (2) To shape or mould into a particular form. To be created; come into being; arise.

What have you got against the way that the creator formed our solar system, from the great nebula cloud that has become our Milky Way Galaxy? Surely you are not a supporter of those who claim that God simply spoke the universe into being some six thousand years ago. Or are you?

dee-em wrote..........You really do sound desperate.

Gentorev...........Do you really think so my poor confused friend? Well you sound as you normally do after arguing with me: Confused, dejected and defeated.

Good night mate, I'm off to drop the lead into the weeping willow and plough the deep.