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Dogknox
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3/31/2015 6:16:33 PM
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The word "LORD" means GOD!

Daniel 9:3 So I turned to the Lord God and pleaded with him in prayer and petition, in fasting, and in sackcloth and ashes.

Hosea 12:5 the Lord God Almighty, the Lord is his name!

Amos 3:13 "Hear this and testify against the descendants of Jacob," declares the Lord, the Lord God Almighty.

Elizabeth address Mary as "Mother of God"!
Luke 1:43
But why am I so favored, that the mother of my Lord should come to me?
44 As soon as the sound of your greeting reached my ears, the baby in my womb leaped for joy.
45 Blessed is she who has believed that the Lord would fulfill his promises to her!
"

Very place in Luke 1 above and below verse # 43 the word "LORD" is used to mean "GOD"!
Verse #43 can only mean the same... mother of my GOD
Harikrish
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3/31/2015 6:34:26 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 3/31/2015 6:16:33 PM, Dogknox wrote:
The word "LORD" means GOD!

Daniel 9:3 So I turned to the Lord God and pleaded with him in prayer and petition, in fasting, and in sackcloth and ashes.

Hosea 12:5 the Lord God Almighty, the Lord is his name!

Amos 3:13 "Hear this and testify against the descendants of Jacob," declares the Lord, the Lord God Almighty.

Elizabeth address Mary as "Mother of God"!
Luke 1:43
But why am I so favored, that the mother of my Lord should come to me?
44 As soon as the sound of your greeting reached my ears, the baby in my womb leaped for joy.
45 Blessed is she who has believed that the Lord would fulfill his promises to her!
"

Very place in Luke 1 above and below verse # 43 the word "LORD" is used to mean "GOD"!
Verse #43 can only mean the same... mother of my GOD
This should finally put Brad's doubts to rest. He has been insisting Christ was not Jesus but the Word of God which is his created existence
To Brad they are all the same. He wrote:"The Word is also known as Christ, Heaven, Kingdom of God, Light, Eternal Life, Counselor, Holy Spirit, Son of God, Zion, Jacob, Glory of God, etc..
Rant
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3/31/2015 6:48:43 PM
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This is very intro har. why did the jews want to stone Jesus all the Time. can you tell me?
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3/31/2015 6:50:53 PM
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It seems you cant understand but the jews of Jesus time understood very> very well what Jesus Said.
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3/31/2015 6:53:40 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 3/31/2015 6:16:33 PM, Dogknox wrote:
The word "LORD" means GOD!

Daniel 9:3 So I turned to the Lord God and pleaded with him in prayer and petition, in fasting, and in sackcloth and ashes.

Hosea 12:5 the Lord God Almighty, the Lord is his name!

Amos 3:13 "Hear this and testify against the descendants of Jacob," declares the Lord, the Lord God Almighty.

Elizabeth address Mary as "Mother of God"!
Luke 1:43
But why am I so favored, that the mother of my Lord should come to me?
44 As soon as the sound of your greeting reached my ears, the baby in my womb leaped for joy.
45 Blessed is she who has believed that the Lord would fulfill his promises to her!
"

Very place in Luke 1 above and below verse # 43 the word "LORD" is used to mean "GOD"!
Verse #43 can only mean the same... mother of my GOD

Nowhere in the Bible does it say that Jesus is God. A thinking person might ask themselves why. If Jesus was God (such a silly idea) then why the reticence to proclaim it?

The answer is simple. The idea that Jesus was an incarnation of God (ie. the Trinity) is a very late development of Christianity, long after the gospels were written. Paul, our earliest source for Christian beliefs, thought and wrote of Jesus as a heavenly being quite separate from God.
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3/31/2015 6:58:09 PM
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Jesus was an incarnation of God (ie. the Trinity) is a very late development of Christianity> that's a total Lie! And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.
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3/31/2015 7:11:42 PM
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At 3/31/2015 6:58:09 PM, Rant wrote:
Jesus was an incarnation of God (ie. the Trinity) is a very late development of Christianity> that's a total Lie! And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.

http://en.wikipedia.org...

Although there is much debate as to whether the beliefs of the Apostles were merely articulated and explained in the Trinitarian Creeds,[31] or were corrupted and replaced with new beliefs,[32][33] all scholars recognize that the Creeds themselves were created in reaction to disagreements over the nature of the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit. These controversies, however, were great and many, and took some centuries to be resolved.

Of these controversies, the most significant developments were articulated in the first four centuries by the Church Fathers[31] in reaction to Adoptionism, Sabellianism, and Arianism. Adoptionism was the belief that Jesus was an ordinary man, born of Joseph and Mary, who became the Christ and Son of God at his baptism. In 269, the Synods of Antioch condemned Paul of Samosata for his Adoptionist theology, and also condemned the term homoousios, "of the same being") in the sense he used it.[34]

Sabellianism taught that the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit are essentially one and the same, the difference being simply verbal, describing different aspects or roles of a single being.[35] For this view Sabellius was excommunicated for heresy in Rome c. 220.

In the fourth century, Arianism, as traditionally understood,[note 1] taught that the Father existed prior to the Son who was not, by nature, God but rather a changeable creature who was granted the dignity of becoming "Son of God".[36] In 325, the Council of Nicaea adopted the Nicene Creed which described Christ as "God of God, Light of Light, very God of very God, begotten, not made, being of one substance with the Father".[37] [38] The creed used the term homoousios (of one substance) to define the relationship between the Father and the Son. After more than fifty years of debate, homoousios was recognised as the hallmark of orthodoxy, and was further developed into the formula of "three persons, one being".


As you can see, the now orthodox position of the Trinity was not settled until well into the 4th century.
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3/31/2015 7:40:31 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 3/31/2015 7:11:42 PM, dee-em wrote:
At 3/31/2015 6:58:09 PM, Rant wrote:
Jesus was an incarnation of God (ie. the Trinity) is a very late development of Christianity> that's a total Lie! And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.

http://en.wikipedia.org...

Although there is much debate as to whether the beliefs of the Apostles were merely articulated and explained in the Trinitarian Creeds,[31] or were corrupted and replaced with new beliefs,[32][33] all scholars recognize that the Creeds themselves were created in reaction to disagreements over the nature of the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit. These controversies, however, were great and many, and took some centuries to be resolved.

Of these controversies, the most significant developments were articulated in the first four centuries by the Church Fathers[31] in reaction to Adoptionism, Sabellianism, and Arianism. Adoptionism was the belief that Jesus was an ordinary man, born of Joseph and Mary, who became the Christ and Son of God at his baptism. In 269, the Synods of Antioch condemned Paul of Samosata for his Adoptionist theology, and also condemned the term homoousios, "of the same being") in the sense he used it.[34]

Sabellianism taught that the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit are essentially one and the same, the difference being simply verbal, describing different aspects or roles of a single being.[35] For this view Sabellius was excommunicated for heresy in Rome c. 220.

In the fourth century, Arianism, as traditionally understood,[note 1] taught that the Father existed prior to the Son who was not, by nature, God but rather a changeable creature who was granted the dignity of becoming "Son of God".[36] In 325, the Council of Nicaea adopted the Nicene Creed which described Christ as "God of God, Light of Light, very God of very God, begotten, not made, being of one substance with the Father".[37] [38] The creed used the term homoousios (of one substance) to define the relationship between the Father and the Son. After more than fifty years of debate, homoousios was recognised as the hallmark of orthodoxy, and was further developed into the formula of "three persons, one being".


As you can see, the now orthodox position of the Trinity was not settled until well into the 4th century.

John 10:33
"We are not stoning you for any good work," they replied, "but for blasphemy, because you, a mere man, claim to be God."

The Jews heard Jesus say he was "GOD"! you, a mere man, claim to be God."

Arianism was REJECTED by the Christian Church!!
The Church Jesus established for ALL TIME, to the end of the world rejected "Arianism"!

The Church Jesus is ALWAYS WITH to the end of the world rejected "Arianism"!
20 teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you. And lo, I am with you always, even unto the end of the world."

dee-em The Catholic Church was established by Jesus and Jesus is ALWAYS with his church to the end of the world... To say different you must reject the scriptures!

Arius was "IN" the Church Jesus established and he was removed from the AMONG them!!
The Church was NOT... AMONG Arius!! It works in only one direction..

2 Peter 2
1 But there were also false prophets among the people, just as there will be false teachers among you. They will secretly introduce destructive heresies, even denying the sovereign Lord who bought them"bringing swift destruction on themselves.
2 Many will follow their depraved conduct and will bring the way of truth into disrepute
.

there will be false teachers among you.

Arius was a FALSE TEACHER!!!!
Thus he was a HERETIC!
Arius was a False teacher he was AMONG the Church that removed him from >AMONG< them!

Proving the Catholic Church MUST be the "Way Of Truth"!

2 Many will follow their depraved conduct and will bring the way of truth into disrepute.
Rant
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3/31/2015 7:49:41 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
odox. . or Mormon
As you can see, the now orthodox> > Im not a orthodox. Jw. Mormon or Cat. so don't shove that in my face and tell me to eat IT!
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3/31/2015 8:04:23 PM
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Jesus is not God. He was the man that "Who I Am" chose from among the Israelites and sent him to speak in his name.

Deuteronomy 18: 18; "I will send them a prophet like you from among their own people. I will tell him what to say, and he will tell the people everything I command. He will speak in my name and I will punish anyone who refuses to obey him, etc."

This is verified by Peter who says in reference to the man Jesus in Acts 3: 22; "For Moses said; "The Lord your God will send you a prophet, just as he sent me, and he will be one of your own people, etc."

Did the people of his day believe that he was the Lord, the God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob. The God of our ancestors? No, they did not, for on the day of his triumphant entry into Jerusalem, the people escorting him cried out, "BLESSED IS HE WHO COMES IN THE NAME OF THE LORD" Verifying that they believed Jesus to be the one that God had prophesied through Moses, that he would choose from among the Israelites, and send to the people to speak in his name.

1st Timothy 1:1; "From Paul, an apostle of Christ Jesus by order of "GOD OUR SAVIOUR" and Christ Jesus "OUR HOPE."

Jesus admits that he spoke not one word on his own authority, but only that which he was commanded to say by our Lord God and saviour, who chose him as the one to speak in his name, "Who I Am," and Jesus says in John 5: 24; "Whoever hear my words (The words that he was commanded to say) and believes in "HIM" who sent me, has eternal life.

To gain eternal life, we must believe in "HE" who chose Jesus from among the Israelites and sent him to speak in his name.

John 14: 24; "And the word which you hear is not mine, but the Father"s who sent me.

John 20: 17; Jesus says to Mary Magdalene: "Go to my brothers and tell them that I ascend to my Father and their Father, to my God and their God. "

Whose words were these in reference to the body of Jesus which had been filled by the spirit=information=words of the Lord which had descended upon him in the form of a dove?

"Destroy this temple, and in three days I will raise it up?" They were the words that Jesus was commanded to say by "Who I Am," who raised that body which he had filled with his spirit.

Did Jesus raise himself from the dead? NO!

Acts 5: 30; The God of our fathers raised up Jesus, whom you slew and hanged on a tree.

Acts 13: 30; But God raised him from the dead: and he was seen many days of them which came up with him from Galilee, etc.

1st Corinthians 6: 14; And God has both raised up the Lord, and will also raise up us by his own power.

2nd Corinthians 1: 9; But we had the sentence of death in ourselves, that we should not trust in ourselves, but in God which raiseth the dead.

2nd Corinthians 4: 14; knowing that he who raised the Lord Jesus will raise us also with Jesus and bring us with you into his presence.

Acts 3: 13; The God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob, the God of our fathers, has given divine glory to his servant Jesus-

Jesus was the earthly host body through who the spirit of our Lord God and saviour (The anointed one) revealed himself to mankind.

Act 17: 31; For he (The God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob.) has fixed a day (A period of one thousand years) in which he will judge the whole world with justice by means of a MAN he has CHOSEN. He has given proof of this to everyone by raising that MAN from death.

The DAY that the Lord God our saviour has fixed, in which He will judge the whole world with Justice, is "The Day of the Lord," the Great Sabbath Day, or the seventh period of one thousand years, the seventh day from the first day in which Adam ate of the forbidden fruit and died in that day at the age of 930.

From the Book of Jubilees 4: 30; "And He (Adam) lacked seventy years of one thousand years; for one thousand years are as one day in the testimony of the heavens and therefore was it written concerning the tree of knowledge: "On the day thou eat thereof ye shall die." For this reason Adam did not complete the years of that first day; for He died during it."

We are now at the close of the sixth day, from that first day that Adam ate of the forbidden fruit, and died in that first day at the age of 930.
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3/31/2015 8:16:00 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 3/31/2015 7:40:31 PM, Dogknox wrote:
At 3/31/2015 7:11:42 PM, dee-em wrote:
At 3/31/2015 6:58:09 PM, Rant wrote:
Jesus was an incarnation of God (ie. the Trinity) is a very late development of Christianity> that's a total Lie! And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.

http://en.wikipedia.org...

Although there is much debate as to whether the beliefs of the Apostles were merely articulated and explained in the Trinitarian Creeds,[31] or were corrupted and replaced with new beliefs,[32][33] all scholars recognize that the Creeds themselves were created in reaction to disagreements over the nature of the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit. These controversies, however, were great and many, and took some centuries to be resolved.

Of these controversies, the most significant developments were articulated in the first four centuries by the Church Fathers[31] in reaction to Adoptionism, Sabellianism, and Arianism. Adoptionism was the belief that Jesus was an ordinary man, born of Joseph and Mary, who became the Christ and Son of God at his baptism. In 269, the Synods of Antioch condemned Paul of Samosata for his Adoptionist theology, and also condemned the term homoousios, "of the same being") in the sense he used it.[34]

Sabellianism taught that the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit are essentially one and the same, the difference being simply verbal, describing different aspects or roles of a single being.[35] For this view Sabellius was excommunicated for heresy in Rome c. 220.

In the fourth century, Arianism, as traditionally understood,[note 1] taught that the Father existed prior to the Son who was not, by nature, God but rather a changeable creature who was granted the dignity of becoming "Son of God".[36] In 325, the Council of Nicaea adopted the Nicene Creed which described Christ as "God of God, Light of Light, very God of very God, begotten, not made, being of one substance with the Father".[37] [38] The creed used the term homoousios (of one substance) to define the relationship between the Father and the Son. After more than fifty years of debate, homoousios was recognised as the hallmark of orthodoxy, and was further developed into the formula of "three persons, one being".


As you can see, the now orthodox position of the Trinity was not settled until well into the 4th century.

John 10:33
"We are not stoning you for any good work," they replied, "but for blasphemy, because you, a mere man, claim to be God."

The Jews heard Jesus say he was "GOD"! you, a mere man, claim to be God."

No he didn't. His claim was that he and the father were "one". The Greek word used means "one", as in unity of purpose.

Jesus also said: "Holy Father, protect them in your name that you have given me, so that they may be one, as we are one." (John 17:11).

If you read the ensuing text in John 10, you will see that Jesus had the opportunity to clarify what he meant, but stopped well short of saying he was God. It couldn't be clearer.

Jesus said: "I go to the Father; for the Father is greater than I." (John 14:28). This verse unequivocally refutes the assertion that Jesus was "co-equal" in status, with his Father.

Arianism was REJECTED by the Christian Church!!
The Church Jesus established for ALL TIME, to the end of the world rejected "Arianism"!

The Church Jesus is ALWAYS WITH to the end of the world rejected "Arianism"!
20 teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you. And lo, I am with you always, even unto the end of the world."

dee-em The Catholic Church was established by Jesus and Jesus is ALWAYS with his church to the end of the world... To say different you must reject the scriptures!

Um, Jesus established nothing. If he existed at all, he preached messianic Judaism for three years and then died. It was the apostles, chiefly, Paul who formulated Christian beliefs to appeal to the disenfranchised Jews and to the Gentiles, and even then what constituted Christian doctrine varied enormously from community to community. It was only after several centuries that the Catholic Church as we know it was established.

Arius was "IN" the Church Jesus established and he was removed from the AMONG them!!
The Church was NOT... AMONG Arius!! It works in only one direction..

2 Peter 2
1 But there were also false prophets among the people, just as there will be false teachers among you. They will secretly introduce destructive heresies, even denying the sovereign Lord who bought them"bringing swift destruction on themselves.
2 Many will follow their depraved conduct and will bring the way of truth into disrepute
.

there will be false teachers among you.

Arius was a FALSE TEACHER!!!!
Thus he was a HERETIC!
Arius was a False teacher he was AMONG the Church that removed him from >AMONG< them!

Proving the Catholic Church MUST be the "Way Of Truth"!

2 Many will follow their depraved conduct and will bring the way of truth into disrepute.

So the winners get to write history and tell us what "truth" is and what is "heresy". What else is new? Lol.
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3/31/2015 9:27:19 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 3/31/2015 6:16:33 PM, Dogknox wrote:
The word "LORD" means GOD!

Daniel 9:3 So I turned to the Lord God and pleaded with him in prayer and petition, in fasting, and in sackcloth and ashes.

Hosea 12:5 the Lord God Almighty, the Lord is his name!

Amos 3:13 "Hear this and testify against the descendants of Jacob," declares the Lord, the Lord God Almighty.

Elizabeth address Mary as "Mother of God"!
Luke 1:43
But why am I so favored, that the mother of my Lord should come to me?
44 As soon as the sound of your greeting reached my ears, the baby in my womb leaped for joy.
45 Blessed is she who has believed that the Lord would fulfill his promises to her!
"

Very place in Luke 1 above and below verse # 43 the word "LORD" is used to mean "GOD"!
Verse #43 can only mean the same... mother of my GOD : :

The Word means the word of the Lord, our God and Creator of all things. Jesus was a saint who testified to the Word of the Lord and learned that he was the Word like all us saints learned.

FATHER is another name for the Lord God Almighty, our Creator that Jesus spoke for;

John 14
23: Jesus answered him, "If a man loves me, he will keep my word, and my Father will love him, and we will come to him and make our home with him.
24: He who does not love me does not keep my words; and the word which you hear is not mine but the Father's who sent me.

John 12
49: For I have not spoken on my own authority; the Father who sent me has himself given me commandment what to say and what to speak.
50: And I know that his commandment is eternal life. What I say, therefore, I say as the Father has bidden me."

If Jesus was the Lord, then these two scriptures are lies.
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3/31/2015 9:31:54 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 3/31/2015 8:16:00 PM, dee-em wrote:
At 3/31/2015 7:40:31 PM, Dogknox wrote:

dee-em The Catholic Church was established by Jesus and Jesus is ALWAYS with his church to the end of the world... To say different you must reject the scriptures!

Um, Jesus established nothing. If he existed at all, he preached messianic Judaism for three years and then died. It was the apostles, chiefly, Paul who formulated Christian beliefs to appeal to the disenfranchised Jews and to the Gentiles, and even then what constituted Christian doctrine varied enormously from community to community. It was only after several centuries that the Catholic Church as we know it was established.

Arius was "IN" the Church Jesus established and he was removed from the AMONG them!!
The Church was NOT... AMONG Arius!! It works in only one direction..

2 Peter 2
1 But there were also false prophets among the people, just as there will be false teachers among you. They will secretly introduce destructive heresies, even denying the sovereign Lord who bought them"bringing swift destruction on themselves.
2 Many will follow their depraved conduct and will bring the way of truth into disrepute
.

there will be false teachers among you.

Arius was a FALSE TEACHER!!!!
Thus he was a HERETIC!
Arius was a False teacher he was AMONG the Church that removed him from >AMONG< them!

Proving the Catholic Church MUST be the "Way Of Truth"!

2 Many will follow their depraved conduct and will bring the way of truth into disrepute.

So the winners get to write history and tell us what "truth" is and what is "heresy". What else is new? Lol.

Gentorev and dee-em trust the scriptures...
Trust the early Church!

Scriptures....
Worship is for God alone!!!!
Only God is worshiped!!

Gentorev and dee-em Scriptures tell you... "Worship only God and JUST God!"

Exodus 34:14
Do not worship any other god, for the Lord, whose name is Jealous, is a jealous God.

Jesus tells you.....
Luke 4:8
And Jesus answered and said unto him, "Get thee behind Me, Satan! For it is written: "Thou shalt worship the Lord thy God, and Him only shalt thou serve.""

Matthew 4:10
Then said Jesus unto him, "Get thee hence, Satan! For it is written: "Thou shalt worship the Lord thy God, and Him only shalt thou serve.""

Do you see it???
Worship only >>GOD<<!!!!
Jesus tells you.. Word for word.. Worship is ONLY for God!!!

Gentorev and dee-em The >WISE MEN< WORSHIP Jesus.. They know he is God!
Matthew 2:11
On coming to the house, they saw the child with his mother Mary, and they bowed down and worshiped him. Then they opened their treasures and presented him with gifts of gold, frankincense and myrrh.

They know; Worship is only for >>GOD<<!!!! They bowed down and worshiped him

Jews WORSHIP only God!!!!
Matthew 14:33
Then those who were in the boat worshiped him, saying, "Truly you are the Son of God."
Jesus does NOT stop them from worshiping him! Jesus allows them to continue worshiping him! Worship is ONLY for GOD!
IF..
If Jesus was NOT God he would be sinning by allowing them to WORSHIP HIM!!

Gentorev and dee-em Scriptures tell you... "Worship only God and JUST God!"
Matthew 28:9
Suddenly Jesus met them. "Greetings," he said. They came to him, clasped his feet and worshiped him.

Gentorev and dee-em The Apostles worship Jesus.. Some doubt he is God!!! This verse is saying "Some doubters reject Jesus is God"!
Matthew 28:17
When they saw him, they worshiped him; but some doubted.
Gentorev and dee-em Jesus does NOT stop them from worshiping him!

Gentorev and dee-em You doubt the obvious!
Christians have ALWAYS taught; "Jesus is God"!

The Ascension of Jesus
Luke 24:50
The Ascension of Jesus
When he had led them out to the vicinity of Bethany, he lifted up his hands and blessed them.
51 While he was blessing them, he left them and was taken up into heaven.
52 Then they worshiped him and returned to Jerusalem with great joy
.

DO YOU SEE IT?
Then they worshiped him...

Gentorev and dee-em Jesus does NOT stop them from worshiping him!
Worship is >ONLY< for God!!!

John 9:38
Then the man said, "Lord, I believe," and he worshiped him.

Gentorev and dee-em Jesus DOES NOT..
Jesus does not stop the man from WORSHIPING him! (above verse)
Worship is ONLY for God!

Thomas is a Christian he is a Christ follower!!
John 20:28
Thomas said to him, "My Lord and my God!"
29 Then Jesus told him, "Because you have seen me, you have believed; blessed are those who have not seen and yet have believed."

Christians BELIEVE Jesus is God, Christians are blessed!
Christians believe Jesus is God Thomas is a Christian!
Arius is NOT Christian he was removed from the church Jesus established! Because he rejected Jesus is God!
Arius was AMONG Christians he was removed as a FALSE TEACHER!!
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3/31/2015 9:36:56 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 3/31/2015 6:34:26 PM, Harikrish wrote:
At 3/31/2015 6:16:33 PM, Dogknox wrote:
The word "LORD" means GOD!

Daniel 9:3 So I turned to the Lord God and pleaded with him in prayer and petition, in fasting, and in sackcloth and ashes.

Hosea 12:5 the Lord God Almighty, the Lord is his name!

Amos 3:13 "Hear this and testify against the descendants of Jacob," declares the Lord, the Lord God Almighty.

Elizabeth address Mary as "Mother of God"!
Luke 1:43
But why am I so favored, that the mother of my Lord should come to me?
44 As soon as the sound of your greeting reached my ears, the baby in my womb leaped for joy.
45 Blessed is she who has believed that the Lord would fulfill his promises to her!
"

Very place in Luke 1 above and below verse # 43 the word "LORD" is used to mean "GOD"!
Verse #43 can only mean the same... mother of my GOD
This should finally put Brad's doubts to rest. He has been insisting Christ was not Jesus but the Word of God which is his created existence
To Brad they are all the same. He wrote:"The Word is also known as Christ, Heaven, Kingdom of God, Light, Eternal Life, Counselor, Holy Spirit, Son of God, Zion, Jacob, Glory of God, etc.. : :

Thanks for sharing the Truth for me but you were never authorized by our Creator to do so. This might have severe consequences for you such as DEATH of YOUR FLESH.
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3/31/2015 9:47:20 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 3/31/2015 8:04:23 PM, Gentorev wrote:
Jesus is not God. He was the man that "Who I Am" chose from among the Israelites and sent him to speak in his name.

Deuteronomy 18: 18; "I will send them a prophet like you from among their own people. I will tell him what to say, and he will tell the people everything I command. He will speak in my name and I will punish anyone who refuses to obey him, etc."

This is verified by Peter who says in reference to the man Jesus in Acts 3: 22; "For Moses said; "The Lord your God will send you a prophet, just as he sent me, and he will be one of your own people, etc."

Did the people of his day believe that he was the Lord, the God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob. The God of our ancestors? No, they did not, for on the day of his triumphant entry into Jerusalem, the people escorting him cried out, "BLESSED IS HE WHO COMES IN THE NAME OF THE LORD" Verifying that they believed Jesus to be the one that God had prophesied through Moses, that he would choose from among the Israelites, and send to the people to speak in his name.

1st Timothy 1:1; "From Paul, an apostle of Christ Jesus by order of "GOD OUR SAVIOUR" and Christ Jesus "OUR HOPE."

Jesus admits that he spoke not one word on his own authority, but only that which he was commanded to say by our Lord God and saviour, who chose him as the one to speak in his name, "Who I Am," and Jesus says in John 5: 24; "Whoever hear my words (The words that he was commanded to say) and believes in "HIM" who sent me, has eternal life.

To gain eternal life, we must believe in "HE" who chose Jesus from among the Israelites and sent him to speak in his name.

John 14: 24; "And the word which you hear is not mine, but the Father"s who sent me.

John 20: 17; Jesus says to Mary Magdalene: "Go to my brothers and tell them that I ascend to my Father and their Father, to my God and their God. "

Whose words were these in reference to the body of Jesus which had been filled by the spirit=information=words of the Lord which had descended upon him in the form of a dove?

"Destroy this temple, and in three days I will raise it up?" They were the words that Jesus was commanded to say by "Who I Am," who raised that body which he had filled with his spirit.

Did Jesus raise himself from the dead? NO!

Acts 5: 30; The God of our fathers raised up Jesus, whom you slew and hanged on a tree.

Acts 13: 30; But God raised him from the dead: and he was seen many days of them which came up with him from Galilee, etc.

1st Corinthians 6: 14; And God has both raised up the Lord, and will also raise up us by his own power.

2nd Corinthians 1: 9; But we had the sentence of death in ourselves, that we should not trust in ourselves, but in God which raiseth the dead.

2nd Corinthians 4: 14; knowing that he who raised the Lord Jesus will raise us also with Jesus and bring us with you into his presence.

Acts 3: 13; The God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob, the God of our fathers, has given divine glory to his servant Jesus-

Jesus was the earthly host body through who the spirit of our Lord God and saviour (The anointed one) revealed himself to mankind.

Act 17: 31; For he (The God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob.) has fixed a day (A period of one thousand years) in which he will judge the whole world with justice by means of a MAN he has CHOSEN. He has given proof of this to everyone by raising that MAN from death.

The DAY that the Lord God our saviour has fixed, in which He will judge the whole world with Justice, is "The Day of the Lord," the Great Sabbath Day, or the seventh period of one thousand years, the seventh day from the first day in which Adam ate of the forbidden fruit and died in that day at the age of 930.

From the Book of Jubilees 4: 30; "And He (Adam) lacked seventy years of one thousand years; for one thousand years are as one day in the testimony of the heavens and therefore was it written concerning the tree of knowledge: "On the day thou eat thereof ye shall die." For this reason Adam did not complete the years of that first day; for He died during it."

We are now at the close of the sixth day, from that first day that Adam ate of the forbidden fruit, and died in that first day at the age of 930.

Philippians 2:6
Who, being in very nature God, did not consider equality with God something to be used to his own advantage;

Gentorev Jesus is God, he is EQUAL with the Father!

There is ONE GOD, Just ONE!!!!
Genesis 3:22
And the Lord God said, "The man has now become like one of us, knowing good and evil. He must not be allowed to reach out his hand and take also from the tree of life and eat, and live forever."

Gentorev LIKE ONE OF US>> Plural more then one! "US"!
Adam became like the Holy Spirit "Knowing Good and evil"; he was stopped from becoming like Jesus "The LIFE!"

God is ONE!
God the Father
God the Son
God the Holy Spirit

SPEAKING...
Gentorev Speaking for GOD!
Speaking with all of God' authority!
In his Name, representing God, make Disciples with God' authority!
Matthew 28:19
Therefore go and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit.

In the name of the Father!
In the name of the Son!
In the name of the Holy Spirit!
With the AUTHORITY of the three, Make disciples of nations by BAPTIZING!!

Gentorev Baptism makes disciples because the Church representing God, with all of God' authority immerses people into the Body of Jesus!
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3/31/2015 9:56:21 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 3/31/2015 9:47:20 PM, Dogknox wrote:
At 3/31/2015 8:04:23 PM, Gentorev wrote:
Jesus is not God. He was the man that "Who I Am" chose from among the Israelites and sent him to speak in his name.

Deuteronomy 18: 18; "I will send them a prophet like you from among their own people. I will tell him what to say, and he will tell the people everything I command. He will speak in my name and I will punish anyone who refuses to obey him, etc."

This is verified by Peter who says in reference to the man Jesus in Acts 3: 22; "For Moses said; "The Lord your God will send you a prophet, just as he sent me, and he will be one of your own people, etc."

Did the people of his day believe that he was the Lord, the God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob. The God of our ancestors? No, they did not, for on the day of his triumphant entry into Jerusalem, the people escorting him cried out, "BLESSED IS HE WHO COMES IN THE NAME OF THE LORD" Verifying that they believed Jesus to be the one that God had prophesied through Moses, that he would choose from among the Israelites, and send to the people to speak in his name.

1st Timothy 1:1; "From Paul, an apostle of Christ Jesus by order of "GOD OUR SAVIOUR" and Christ Jesus "OUR HOPE."

Jesus admits that he spoke not one word on his own authority, but only that which he was commanded to say by our Lord God and saviour, who chose him as the one to speak in his name, "Who I Am," and Jesus says in John 5: 24; "Whoever hear my words (The words that he was commanded to say) and believes in "HIM" who sent me, has eternal life.

To gain eternal life, we must believe in "HE" who chose Jesus from among the Israelites and sent him to speak in his name.

John 14: 24; "And the word which you hear is not mine, but the Father"s who sent me.

John 20: 17; Jesus says to Mary Magdalene: "Go to my brothers and tell them that I ascend to my Father and their Father, to my God and their God. "

Whose words were these in reference to the body of Jesus which had been filled by the spirit=information=words of the Lord which had descended upon him in the form of a dove?

"Destroy this temple, and in three days I will raise it up?" They were the words that Jesus was commanded to say by "Who I Am," who raised that body which he had filled with his spirit.

Did Jesus raise himself from the dead? NO!

Acts 5: 30; The God of our fathers raised up Jesus, whom you slew and hanged on a tree.

Acts 13: 30; But God raised him from the dead: and he was seen many days of them which came up with him from Galilee, etc.

1st Corinthians 6: 14; And God has both raised up the Lord, and will also raise up us by his own power.

2nd Corinthians 1: 9; But we had the sentence of death in ourselves, that we should not trust in ourselves, but in God which raiseth the dead.

2nd Corinthians 4: 14; knowing that he who raised the Lord Jesus will raise us also with Jesus and bring us with you into his presence.

Acts 3: 13; The God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob, the God of our fathers, has given divine glory to his servant Jesus-

Jesus was the earthly host body through who the spirit of our Lord God and saviour (The anointed one) revealed himself to mankind.

Act 17: 31; For he (The God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob.) has fixed a day (A period of one thousand years) in which he will judge the whole world with justice by means of a MAN he has CHOSEN. He has given proof of this to everyone by raising that MAN from death.

The DAY that the Lord God our saviour has fixed, in which He will judge the whole world with Justice, is "The Day of the Lord," the Great Sabbath Day, or the seventh period of one thousand years, the seventh day from the first day in which Adam ate of the forbidden fruit and died in that day at the age of 930.

From the Book of Jubilees 4: 30; "And He (Adam) lacked seventy years of one thousand years; for one thousand years are as one day in the testimony of the heavens and therefore was it written concerning the tree of knowledge: "On the day thou eat thereof ye shall die." For this reason Adam did not complete the years of that first day; for He died during it."

We are now at the close of the sixth day, from that first day that Adam ate of the forbidden fruit, and died in that first day at the age of 930.

Philippians 2:6
Who, being in very nature God, did not consider equality with God something to be used to his own advantage;

Gentorev Jesus is God, he is EQUAL with the Father!

There is ONE GOD, Just ONE!!!!
Genesis 3:22
And the Lord God said, "The man has now become like one of us, knowing good and evil. He must not be allowed to reach out his hand and take also from the tree of life and eat, and live forever."

Gentorev LIKE ONE OF US>> Plural more then one! "US"!
Adam became like the Holy Spirit "Knowing Good and evil"; he was stopped from becoming like Jesus "The LIFE!"

God is ONE!
God the Father
God the Son
God the Holy Spirit


SPEAKING...
Gentorev Speaking for GOD!
Speaking with all of God' authority!
In his Name, representing God, make Disciples with God' authority!
Matthew 28:19
Therefore go and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit.

In the name of the Father!
In the name of the Son!
In the name of the Holy Spirit!
With the AUTHORITY of the three, Make disciples of nations by BAPTIZING!!

Gentorev Baptism makes disciples because the Church representing God, with all of God' authority immerses people into the Body of Jesus! : :

The flesh named Jesus is NOT EQUAL with the Creator ( OUR FATHER ). But the Word of God that Jesus testified to is the Voice of the Lord, which is God's creation that was spoken into existence.

John 6
63: It is the spirit that gives life, the flesh is of no avail; the words that I have spoken to you are spirit and life.
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3/31/2015 10:22:33 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 3/31/2015 9:31:54 PM, Dogknox wrote:
At 3/31/2015 8:16:00 PM, dee-em wrote:
At 3/31/2015 7:40:31 PM, Dogknox wrote:

dee-em The Catholic Church was established by Jesus and Jesus is ALWAYS with his church to the end of the world... To say different you must reject the scriptures!

Um, Jesus established nothing. If he existed at all, he preached messianic Judaism for three years and then died. It was the apostles, chiefly, Paul who formulated Christian beliefs to appeal to the disenfranchised Jews and to the Gentiles, and even then what constituted Christian doctrine varied enormously from community to community. It was only after several centuries that the Catholic Church as we know it was established.

Arius was "IN" the Church Jesus established and he was removed from the AMONG them!!
The Church was NOT... AMONG Arius!! It works in only one direction..

2 Peter 2
1 But there were also false prophets among the people, just as there will be false teachers among you. They will secretly introduce destructive heresies, even denying the sovereign Lord who bought them"bringing swift destruction on themselves.
2 Many will follow their depraved conduct and will bring the way of truth into disrepute
.

there will be false teachers among you.

Arius was a FALSE TEACHER!!!!
Thus he was a HERETIC!
Arius was a False teacher he was AMONG the Church that removed him from >AMONG< them!

Proving the Catholic Church MUST be the "Way Of Truth"!

2 Many will follow their depraved conduct and will bring the way of truth into disrepute.

So the winners get to write history and tell us what "truth" is and what is "heresy". What else is new? Lol.


Gentorev and dee-em trust the scriptures...
Trust the early Church!

Scriptures....
Worship is for God alone!!!!
Only God is worshiped!!

Gentorev and dee-em Scriptures tell you... "Worship only God and JUST God!"

Exodus 34:14
Do not worship any other god, for the Lord, whose name is Jealous, is a jealous God.

Jesus tells you.....
Luke 4:8
And Jesus answered and said unto him, "Get thee behind Me, Satan! For it is written: "Thou shalt worship the Lord thy God, and Him only shalt thou serve.""

Matthew 4:10
Then said Jesus unto him, "Get thee hence, Satan! For it is written: "Thou shalt worship the Lord thy God, and Him only shalt thou serve.""

Do you see it???
Worship only >>GOD<<!!!!
Jesus tells you.. Word for word.. Worship is ONLY for God!!!

Gentorev and dee-em The >WISE MEN< WORSHIP Jesus.. They know he is God!
Matthew 2:11
On coming to the house, they saw the child with his mother Mary, and they bowed down and worshiped him. Then they opened their treasures and presented him with gifts of gold, frankincense and myrrh.

They know; Worship is only for >>GOD<<!!!! They bowed down and worshiped him

Jews WORSHIP only God!!!!
Matthew 14:33
Then those who were in the boat worshiped him, saying, "Truly you are the Son of God."
Jesus does NOT stop them from worshiping him! Jesus allows them to continue worshiping him! Worship is ONLY for GOD!
IF..
If Jesus was NOT God he would be sinning by allowing them to WORSHIP HIM!!

Gentorev and dee-em Scriptures tell you... "Worship only God and JUST God!"
Matthew 28:9
Suddenly Jesus met them. "Greetings," he said. They came to him, clasped his feet and worshiped him.

Gentorev responds....... Matt 28: 9; The Greek word here translated "Worship" is "Proskun", meaning, "To Kiss the hand. They were not worshipping the man Jesus as God."

Gentorev and dee-em The Apostles worship Jesus.. Some doubt he is God!!! This verse is saying "Some doubters reject Jesus is God"!
Matthew 28:17
When they saw him, they worshiped him; but some doubted.
Gentorev and dee-em Jesus does NOT stop them from worshiping him!

Gentorev and dee-em You doubt the obvious!
Christians have ALWAYS taught; "Jesus is God"!

The Ascension of Jesus
Luke 24:50
The Ascension of Jesus
When he had led them out to the vicinity of Bethany, he lifted up his hands and blessed them.
51 While he was blessing them, he left them and was taken up into heaven.
52 Then they worshiped him and returned to Jerusalem with great joy
.

Gentorev responds.......... You fool. Again, The Greek word here translated in luke 24: 52; as "Worship" is "Proskun", meaning, "To Kiss the hand. They were not worshipping the man Jesus as God."

Jesus said to Mary Magdalene, "Go, tell my brothers that i ascend to my Father and their Father, to my God and their God." Do you see it? Jesus was never worshipped as God by the apostles.


DO YOU SEE IT?
Then they worshiped him...

Gentorev and dee-em Jesus does NOT stop them from worshiping him!
Worship is >ONLY< for God!!!

John 9:38
Then the man said, "Lord, I believe," and he worshiped him.

Gentorev responds........Again, John 9: 38, uses the Greek word "proskun" The man may have bowed in respect and kissed the hand of jesus, but he was not worshipping him as God.

Gentorev and dee-em Jesus DOES NOT..
Jesus does not stop the man from WORSHIPING him! (above verse)
Worship is ONLY for God!

Thomas is a Christian he is a Christ follower!!
John 20:28
Thomas said to him, "My Lord and my God!"
29 Then Jesus told him, "Because you have seen me, you have believed; blessed are those who have not seen and yet have believed."

Christians BELIEVE Jesus is God, Christians are blessed!
Christians believe Jesus is God Thomas is a Christian!
Arius is NOT Christian he was removed from the church Jesus established! Because he rejected Jesus is God!
Arius was AMONG Christians he was removed as a FALSE TEACHER!!

Thomas Didymus Jude, was the half brother of Jesus, who was called the twin as he held a striking resemblance to Jesus, as they shared a common father,

This Thomas=Tau"ma, the Aramiac for twin, is also called Didymus, which is the Greek for twin, he is Thomas Didymus Jude, the brother of Jesus and the son of the carpenter Alpheaus/Cleophas the second Husband Of Mary the mother of Jesus.

Knowing that in ART, Thomas Didymus Jude, the son of Alpheaus/Cleophas, is depicted with a carpenters rule and square, we must ask the question, "Who is the Carpenter to whom Mary was married at that time, when her family consisted of James, Joseph, Simon and Judas? Was it Joseph the son of Jacob from the tribe of Judah, who was her first husband, or was it Alpheaus/Cleophas the second husband of Mary and the Father of James the biological son of Mary and the youngest boy in the family, plus Simon and Jude, who is also called Judas Thomas, meaning twin?

To be continued.
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3/31/2015 10:24:53 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
Continued from post #20.

In "The Acts of Thomas, sometime called by its full name, "The Acts of Judas Thomas," 2nd-3rd century CE, "The Apostles cast lots as to where they should go, and to Thomas, Judas, brother to Jesus fell India. Thomas was taken to King Goddophares the ruler of Indo-Pathian Kingdom as an architect and carpenter by Habban."

To be continued.
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4/1/2015 12:18:42 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 3/31/2015 10:22:33 PM, Gentorev wrote:
At 3/31/2015 9:31:54 PM, Dogknox wrote:
At 3/31/2015 8:16:00 PM, dee-em wrote:
At 3/31/2015 7:40:31 PM, Dogknox wrote:

Matthew 28:9
Suddenly Jesus met them. "Greetings," he said. They came to him, clasped his feet and worshiped him.

Gentorev responds....... Matt 28: 9; The Greek word here translated "Worship" is "Proskun", meaning, "To Kiss the hand. They were not worshipping the man Jesus as God."

Gentorev and dee-em The Apostles worship Jesus.. Some doubt he is God!!! This verse is saying "Some doubters reject Jesus is God"!
Matthew 28:17
When they saw him, they worshiped him; but some doubted.
Gentorev and dee-em Jesus does NOT stop them from worshiping him!

Gentorev and dee-em You doubt the obvious!
Christians have ALWAYS taught; "Jesus is God"!

The Ascension of Jesus
Luke 24:50
The Ascension of Jesus
When he had led them out to the vicinity of Bethany, he lifted up his hands and blessed them.
51 While he was blessing them, he left them and was taken up into heaven.
52 Then they worshiped him and returned to Jerusalem with great joy
.

Gentorev responds.......... You fool. Again, The Greek word here translated in luke 24: 52; as "Worship" is "Proskun", meaning, "To Kiss the hand. They were not worshipping the man Jesus as God."

Jesus said to Mary Magdalene, "Go, tell my brothers that i ascend to my Father and their Father, to my God and their God." Do you see it? Jesus was never worshipped as God by the apostles.


DO YOU SEE IT?
Then they worshiped him...

Gentorev and dee-em Jesus does NOT stop them from worshiping him!
Worship is >ONLY< for God!!!

John 9:38
Then the man said, "Lord, I believe," and he worshiped him.

Gentorev responds........Again, John 9: 38, uses the Greek word "proskun" The man may have bowed in respect and kissed the hand of jesus, but he was not worshipping him as God.

Gentorev and dee-em Jesus DOES NOT..
Jesus does not stop the man from WORSHIPING him! (above verse)
Worship is ONLY for God!

Thomas is a Christian he is a Christ follower!!
John 20:28
Thomas said to him, "My Lord and my God!"
29 Then Jesus told him, "Because you have seen me, you have believed; blessed are those who have not seen and yet have believed."

Christians BELIEVE Jesus is God, Christians are blessed!
Christians believe Jesus is God Thomas is a Christian!
Arius is NOT Christian he was removed from the church Jesus established! Because he rejected Jesus is God!
Arius was AMONG Christians he was removed as a FALSE TEACHER!!

Thomas Didymus Jude, was the half brother of Jesus, who was called the twin as he held a striking resemblance to Jesus, as they shared a common father,

This Thomas=Tau"ma, the Aramiac for twin, is also called Didymus, which is the Greek for twin, he is Thomas Didymus Jude, the brother of Jesus and the son of the carpenter Alpheaus/Cleophas the second Husband Of Mary the mother of Jesus.

Knowing that in ART, Thomas Didymus Jude, the son of Alpheaus/Cleophas, is depicted with a carpenters rule and square, we must ask the question, "Who is the Carpenter to whom Mary was married at that time, when her family consisted of James, Joseph, Simon and Judas? Was it Joseph the son of Jacob from the tribe of Judah, who was her first husband, or was it Alpheaus/Cleophas the second husband of Mary and the Father of James the biological son of Mary and the youngest boy in the family, plus Simon and Jude, wh

YOUR WORDS... Gentorev responds....... Matt 28: 9; The Greek word here translated "Worship" is "Proskun", meaning, "To Kiss the hand. They were not worshipping the man Jesus as God."

I REPLY....NO "You are the fool": The Greek word translated: "Worship" is "Proskun".
Proskun >>> make obeisance. <<<

o"bei"sance
noun
deferential respect.
"they paid obeisance to the prince"
synonyms:respect, homage, worship, adoration, reverence, veneration, honor, submission, deference
"he made a very formal, elaborate gesture of obeisance"

Gentorev The scriptures are clear, they were worshiping the man/God>>> "Jesus is God."

NO WHERE...
No where in the bible can you find Jesus telling anyone, Not to worship him!!!!!

Every place in the bible where the word "Proskun" (worship) is used Jesus allows them!!
For Jesus to allow anyone to worship him and he was NOT God he would be worse then Satan to allow it!!
Jesus makes it very clear.. "Worship is ONLY for God!"
No doubt about Thomas proclaiming to Jesus.. "My lord and my God"!
Jesus' reply to Thomas.... Blessed are you, you believe!!!

Christians BELIEVE Jesus is God!
Christians believe Jesus is God always have!!!

Paul is CHRISTIAN; He believes Jesus is God as he wrote below!!!
Philippians 2:6
Who, being in very nature God, did not consider equality with God something to be used to his own advantage;

Arius is NOT Christian he was removed from the church Jesus established! Because he rejected Jesus is God!
Arius was AMONG Christians he was removed as a FALSE TEACHER!!

False Teachers are removed from among Christian!
2 Peter 2
1 But there were also false prophets among the people, just as there will be false teachers among you. They will secretly introduce destructive heresies, even denying the sovereign Lord who bought them"bringing swift destruction on themselves.
2 Many will follow their depraved conduct and will bring the way of truth into disrepute.


Aries WAS a Christian until he falsely taught "Jesus is NOT God"!
He was removed as a Heretic >> They will secretly introduce destructive heresies,
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4/1/2015 1:19:21 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 3/31/2015 6:16:33 PM, Dogknox wrote:
The word "LORD" means GOD!

No it doesn't. http://en.wikipedia.org.... It can mean sir, king, ext. It is a title. Otherwise thy would not refer to god as the lord god, if it meant the God God.
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4/1/2015 3:58:27 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 3/31/2015 6:48:43 PM, Rant wrote:
This is very intro har. why did the jews want to stone Jesus all the Time. can you tell me?

Because Jesus was a blasphemer.
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4/1/2015 4:38:40 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 3/31/2015 6:16:33 PM, Dogknox wrote:
The word "LORD" means GOD!

Daniel 9:3 So I turned to the Lord God and pleaded with him in prayer and petition, in fasting, and in sackcloth and ashes.

Hosea 12:5 the Lord God Almighty, the Lord is his name!

Amos 3:13 "Hear this and testify against the descendants of Jacob," declares the Lord, the Lord God Almighty.

Elizabeth address Mary as "Mother of God"!
Luke 1:43
But why am I so favored, that the mother of my Lord should come to me?
44 As soon as the sound of your greeting reached my ears, the baby in my womb leaped for joy.
45 Blessed is she who has believed that the Lord would fulfill his promises to her!
"

Very place in Luke 1 above and below verse # 43 the word "LORD" is used to mean "GOD"!
Verse #43 can only mean the same... mother of my GOD

"lord" not necessary means "God". when you go to court and someone saying to the judge "lord" it means that he is God? and what your Bible says?

Exodus 7:1
And the LORD said unto Moses, See, I have made thee a g/God (in hebrew there is no such thing capital G or small.) to Pharaoh: and Aaron thy brother shall be thy prophet.

so Moses is God?

2 Corinthians 4:4 this one about Satan:
The god of this age has blinded the minds of unbelievers, so that they cannot see the light of the gospel that displays the glory of Christ, who is the image of God.

so satan is God?
Never fart near dog
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4/1/2015 6:34:45 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 3/31/2015 9:36:56 PM, bornofgod wrote:
At 3/31/2015 6:34:26 PM, Harikrish wrote:
At 3/31/2015 6:16:33 PM, Dogknox wrote:
The word "LORD" means GOD!

Daniel 9:3 So I turned to the Lord God and pleaded with him in prayer and petition, in fasting, and in sackcloth and ashes.

Hosea 12:5 the Lord God Almighty, the Lord is his name!

Amos 3:13 "Hear this and testify against the descendants of Jacob," declares the Lord, the Lord God Almighty.

Elizabeth address Mary as "Mother of God"!
Luke 1:43
But why am I so favored, that the mother of my Lord should come to me?
44 As soon as the sound of your greeting reached my ears, the baby in my womb leaped for joy.
45 Blessed is she who has believed that the Lord would fulfill his promises to her!
"

Very place in Luke 1 above and below verse # 43 the word "LORD" is used to mean "GOD"!
Verse #43 can only mean the same... mother of my GOD
This should finally put Brad's doubts to rest. He has been insisting Christ was not Jesus but the Word of God which is his created existence
To Brad they are all the same. He wrote:"The Word is also known as Christ, Heaven, Kingdom of God, Light, Eternal Life, Counselor, Holy Spirit, Son of God, Zion, Jacob, Glory of God, etc.. : :

Thanks for sharing the Truth for me but you were never authorized by our Creator to do so. This might have severe consequences for you such as DEATH of YOUR FLESH.

You have been wrong about predicting your own death.

Maybe here are some clues why you went wrong.

You wrote:" My memory wasn't any good from drinking at such a young age that I couldn't remember one verse in the Bible the whole time I was a Christian. So I wasn't cut out to be a preacher or pastor. "

You wrote:"My english skills in writing and speaking are about the fourth grade level, although I was a terrific speller back then. I've gotten bad at that, also, and now I look up words on Google for spelling purposes. "

You wrote:"I was sleeping in a park until the police made me leave. Now I'm sleeping next to a church building where the police can't find me. "
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4/1/2015 8:55:18 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 4/1/2015 6:34:45 PM, Harikrish wrote:
At 3/31/2015 9:36:56 PM, bornofgod wrote:
At 3/31/2015 6:34:26 PM, Harikrish wrote:
At 3/31/2015 6:16:33 PM, Dogknox wrote:
The word "LORD" means GOD!

Daniel 9:3 So I turned to the Lord God and pleaded with him in prayer and petition, in fasting, and in sackcloth and ashes.

Hosea 12:5 the Lord God Almighty, the Lord is his name!

Amos 3:13 "Hear this and testify against the descendants of Jacob," declares the Lord, the Lord God Almighty.

Elizabeth address Mary as "Mother of God"!
Luke 1:43
But why am I so favored, that the mother of my Lord should come to me?
44 As soon as the sound of your greeting reached my ears, the baby in my womb leaped for joy.
45 Blessed is she who has believed that the Lord would fulfill his promises to her!
"

Very place in Luke 1 above and below verse # 43 the word "LORD" is used to mean "GOD"!
Verse #43 can only mean the same... mother of my GOD
This should finally put Brad's doubts to rest. He has been insisting Christ was not Jesus but the Word of God which is his created existence
To Brad they are all the same. He wrote:"The Word is also known as Christ, Heaven, Kingdom of God, Light, Eternal Life, Counselor, Holy Spirit, Son of God, Zion, Jacob, Glory of God, etc.. : :

Thanks for sharing the Truth for me but you were never authorized by our Creator to do so. This might have severe consequences for you such as DEATH of YOUR FLESH.

You have been wrong about predicting your own death.

Brad was wrong about predicting his death but our Creator didn't give him the exact date. Since our Creator didn't give him the exact date, then Brad was guessing at when he would die. Brad was humbled again by our Creator but that's okay, Brad will be killed for being the liar that he is.

In fact, ALL the flesh of this world are killed by our Creator for disobeying His commandments.

Maybe here are some clues why you went wrong.

You wrote:" My memory wasn't any good from drinking at such a young age that I couldn't remember one verse in the Bible the whole time I was a Christian. So I wasn't cut out to be a preacher or pastor. "

You wrote:"My english skills in writing and speaking are about the fourth grade level, although I was a terrific speller back then. I've gotten bad at that, also, and now I look up words on Google for spelling purposes. "

You wrote:"I was sleeping in a park until the police made me leave. Now I'm sleeping next to a church building where the police can't find me. "
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4/1/2015 8:56:17 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 3/31/2015 6:53:40 PM, dee-em

At 3/31/2015 6:16:33 PM, Dogknox wrote:
The word "LORD" means GOD!

Daniel 9:3 So I turned to the Lord God and pleaded with him in prayer and petition, in fasting, and in sackcloth and ashes.

Hosea 12:5 the Lord God Almighty, the Lord is his name!

Amos 3:13 "Hear this and testify against the descendants of Jacob," declares the Lord, the Lord God Almighty.

Elizabeth address Mary as "Mother of God"!
Luke 1:43
But why am I so favored, that the mother of my Lord should come to me?
44 As soon as the sound of your greeting reached my ears, the baby in my womb leaped for joy.
45 Blessed is she who has believed that the Lord would fulfill his promises to her!
"

Very place in Luke 1 above and below verse # 43 the word "LORD" is used to mean "GOD"!
Verse #43 can only mean the same... mother of my GOD

Nowhere in the Bible does it say that Jesus is God. A thinking person might ask themselves why. If Jesus was God (such a silly idea) then why the reticence to proclaim it?

The answer is simple. The idea that Jesus was an incarnation of God (ie. the Trinity) is a very late development of Christianity, long after the gospels were written. Paul, our earliest source for Christian beliefs, thought and wrote of Jesus as a heavenly being quite separate from God.
dee-em you are very WRONG!!
Paul wrote Jesus is God!
Philippians 2:6
Who, being in very nature God, did not consider equality with God something to be used to his own advantage;

DO YOU SEE IT!!?
did not consider equality with God something to be used to his own advantage

dee-em Paul is saying "Jesus is EQUAL to the Father!"
The idea that Jesus was an incarnation of God (ie. the Trinity) is in the gospels. Paul, our earliest source for Christian beliefs, tells you Jesus is EQUAL to the Father!

ALSO...
dee-em also the bible/gospels tells us they "WORSHIP" Jesus!
NO WHERE..
NO PLACE do you every read; Jesus telling them not to worship him!!!
Jesus lets them WORSHIP HIM!! The Scriptures tell us "Jesus lets them worship him!!"
Thomas proclaims; "My Lord AND GOD" Jesus' reply to Thomas is "Blessed are you"!!!
Jesus does NOT correct Thomas!!!!!
dee-em Jesus IS GOD or he is a sinner worse then Satan by accepting worship!!!

dee-em Jesus does NOT correct Thomas.... Jesus tells you; "WORSHIP is ONLY for God!" Thomas proclaimed "My lord and GOD"!

In the first Chapter of Luke the word "LORD" is used at the least seven times!
Every time it is used, it is referring to "GOD"!
Example.. 68 "Praise be to the Lord, the God of Israel,

dee-em There is NO time the word is used without meaning GOD!
LOOK....
43 But why am I so favored, that the mother of my Lord should come to me? 44 As soon as the sound of your greeting reached my ears, the baby in my womb leaped for joy. 45 Blessed is she who has believed that the Lord would fulfill his promises to her!"

Mary BELIEVED GOD!!! And became "Mother of God!"
Blessed is she who has believed that the Lord would fulfill his promises to her!
The word "LORD" in verse 43 can only mean God because it is used to mean God in the very next sentence!

Christians have ALWAYS believed Jesus is God!
Irenaeus is a CHRISTIAN he was a student of the Apostle John!
He said... "The Virgin Mary, being obedient to his word, received from an angel the glad tidings that she would bear God" (Against Heresies, 5:19:1 [A.D. 189]).

dee-em do you see it??? that she would bear God Irenaeus would call you a HERETIC!!! As early as 189 A.D.!!!

Scriptures tell us; "Jesus taught he was equal to God!"
John 5:16
So, because Jesus was doing these things on the Sabbath, the Jewish leaders began to persecute him.
17 In his defense Jesus said to them, "My Father is always at his work to this very day, and I too am working."
18 For this reason they tried all the more to kill him; not only was he breaking the Sabbath, but he was even calling God his own Father, making himself equal with God.


Jesus made himself EQUAL to God... He did not deny it!!
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4/1/2015 9:24:29 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 4/1/2015 4:38:40 PM, POPOO5560 wrote:
At 3/31/2015 6:16:33 PM, Dogknox wrote:
The word "LORD" means GOD!

Daniel 9:3 So I turned to the Lord God and pleaded with him in prayer and petition, in fasting, and in sackcloth and ashes.

Hosea 12:5 the Lord God Almighty, the Lord is his name!

Amos 3:13 "Hear this and testify against the descendants of Jacob," declares the Lord, the Lord God Almighty.

Elizabeth address Mary as "Mother of God"!
Luke 1:43
But why am I so favored, that the mother of my Lord should come to me?
44 As soon as the sound of your greeting reached my ears, the baby in my womb leaped for joy.
45 Blessed is she who has believed that the Lord would fulfill his promises to her!
"

Very place in Luke 1 above and below verse # 43 the word "LORD" is used to mean "GOD"!
Verse #43 can only mean the same... mother of my GOD

"lord" not necessary means "God". when you go to court and someone saying to the judge "lord" it means that he is God? and what your Bible says?

Exodus 7:1
And the LORD said unto Moses, See, I have made thee a g/God (in hebrew there is no such thing capital G or small.) to Pharaoh: and Aaron thy brother shall be thy prophet.

so Moses is God?

2 Corinthians 4:4 this one about Satan:
The god of this age has blinded the minds of unbelievers, so that they cannot see the light of the gospel that displays the glory of Christ, who is the image of God.

so satan is God?
POPOO5560 good to meet you!
Read 2 Corinthians 4 in CONTEXT!!!
It is saying Unbelievers do NOT see Jesus as GOD!!... Verse 4 (below) blinded the minds of unbelievers This means YOU!!! The end of verse 4 Christ who is the image of GOD!!!
POPOO5560 You have been blinded from seeing Jesus as the very image of God.. Equal to God!
Scriptures tell you>>> Jesus is WORSHIPED as GOD!!
Moses was NOT worshiped, Satan was NOT worshiped..
POPOO5560 Worship is >> ONLY << for GOD!!!!!!

2 Corinthians 4
1 Therefore, since through God's mercy we have this ministry, we do not lose heart.
2 Rather, we have renounced secret and shameful ways; we do not use deception, nor do we distort the word of God. On the contrary, by setting forth the truth plainly we commend ourselves to everyone"s conscience in the sight of God.
3 And even if our gospel is veiled, it is veiled to those who are perishing.
4 The god of this age has blinded the minds of unbelievers, so that they cannot see the light of the gospel that displays the glory of Christ, who is the image of God.
5 For what we preach is not ourselves, but Jesus Christ as Lord, and ourselves as your servants for Jesus" sake.
6 For God, who said, "Let light shine out of darkness," made his light shine in our hearts to give us the light of the knowledge of God"s glory displayed in the face of Christ
.

POPOO5560 verse 5.. Christians PREACH "Jesus is LORD"!
Verse #6 God"s glory displayed in the face of Christ
You are blinded... So that they cannot see the light of the gospel that displays the glory of Christ, who is the image of God.
Blinded from seeing Jesus is seeing GOD!
Blinded from scriptures telling you; WORSHIP is ONLY for God>> They worship Jesus, Jesus allows the worship of himself!

John 14:9
Jesus answered: "Don"t you know me, Philip, even after I have been among you such a long time? Anyone who has seen me has seen the Father. How can you say, "Show us the Father"?

POPOO5560 Anyone who has seen me has seen the Father

Jesus tells you in the verse above....Looking at Jesus is looking at God!!!!
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4/1/2015 9:36:00 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 4/1/2015 9:24:29 PM, Dogknox wrote:
At 4/1/2015 4:38:40 PM, POPOO5560 wrote:
At 3/31/2015 6:16:33 PM, Dogknox wrote:
The word "LORD" means GOD!

Daniel 9:3 So I turned to the Lord God and pleaded with him in prayer and petition, in fasting, and in sackcloth and ashes.

Hosea 12:5 the Lord God Almighty, the Lord is his name!

Amos 3:13 "Hear this and testify against the descendants of Jacob," declares the Lord, the Lord God Almighty.

Elizabeth address Mary as "Mother of God"!
Luke 1:43
But why am I so favored, that the mother of my Lord should come to me?
44 As soon as the sound of your greeting reached my ears, the baby in my womb leaped for joy.
45 Blessed is she who has believed that the Lord would fulfill his promises to her!
"

Very place in Luke 1 above and below verse # 43 the word "LORD" is used to mean "GOD"!
Verse #43 can only mean the same... mother of my GOD

"lord" not necessary means "God". when you go to court and someone saying to the judge "lord" it means that he is God? and what your Bible says?

Exodus 7:1
And the LORD said unto Moses, See, I have made thee a g/God (in hebrew there is no such thing capital G or small.) to Pharaoh: and Aaron thy brother shall be thy prophet.

so Moses is God?

2 Corinthians 4:4 this one about Satan:
The god of this age has blinded the minds of unbelievers, so that they cannot see the light of the gospel that displays the glory of Christ, who is the image of God.

so satan is God?
POPOO5560 good to meet you!
Read 2 Corinthians 4 in CONTEXT!!!
It is saying Unbelievers do NOT see Jesus as GOD!!... Verse 4 (below) blinded the minds of unbelievers This means YOU!!! The end of verse 4 Christ who is the image of GOD!!!
POPOO5560 You have been blinded from seeing Jesus as the very image of God.. Equal to God!
Scriptures tell you>>> Jesus is WORSHIPED as GOD!!
Moses was NOT worshiped, Satan was NOT worshiped..
POPOO5560 Worship is >> ONLY << for GOD!!!!!!

2 Corinthians 4
1 Therefore, since through God's mercy we have this ministry, we do not lose heart.
2 Rather, we have renounced secret and shameful ways; we do not use deception, nor do we distort the word of God. On the contrary, by setting forth the truth plainly we commend ourselves to everyone"s conscience in the sight of God.
3 And even if our gospel is veiled, it is veiled to those who are perishing.
4 The god of this age has blinded the minds of unbelievers, so that they cannot see the light of the gospel that displays the glory of Christ, who is the image of God.
5 For what we preach is not ourselves, but Jesus Christ as Lord, and ourselves as your servants for Jesus" sake.
6 For God, who said, "Let light shine out of darkness," made his light shine in our hearts to give us the light of the knowledge of God"s glory displayed in the face of Christ
.

POPOO5560 verse 5.. Christians PREACH "Jesus is LORD"!
Verse #6 God"s glory displayed in the face of Christ
You are blinded... So that they cannot see the light of the gospel that displays the glory of Christ, who is the image of God.
Blinded from seeing Jesus is seeing GOD!
Blinded from scriptures telling you; WORSHIP is ONLY for God>> They worship Jesus, Jesus allows the worship of himself!

John 14:9
Jesus answered: "Don"t you know me, Philip, even after I have been among you such a long time? Anyone who has seen me has seen the Father. How can you say, "Show us the Father"?

POPOO5560 Anyone who has seen me has seen the Father

Jesus tells you in the verse above....Looking at Jesus is looking at God!!!! : :

Not ONE CHRISTIAN knows what CHRIST means. It is NOT the name of the flesh. Christ means God's thoughts where everything both visible and invisible was born.

Think of the "He" and "Him" in this following scripture as God's invisible thoughts instead of a flesh named Jesus. It will make much more sense that we're born in God's thoughts than in the flesh called Jesus.

I Colossians 1:
15: He is the image of the invisible God, the first-born of all creation;
16: for in him all things were created, in heaven and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or dominions or principalities or authorities " all things were created through him and for him.
17: He is before all things, and in him all things hold together.
18: He is the head of the body, the church; he is the beginning, the first-born from the dead, that in everything he might be pre-eminent.
19: For in him all the fulness of God was pleased to dwell,

It's impossible that everything came from the flesh named Jesus.

God's thoughts has many different symbolic biblical names such as the Son of God, Christ, Kingdom of God, Kingdom of Heaven, Kingdom of the Spirit, Holy Spirit, Spirit of God, Breath of Life, Tree of Life, Book of Life, Zion, Light of men, Eternal Life, Messiah, Counselor, Word of God, Word of the Lord, Voice of God, Voice of the Lord, etc.