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7/25/2010 7:06:42 AM
Posted: 6 years ago
By saying the OT is an outdated piece of sh*t, and then backpedalling and saying some parts like the 10 commandments and homosexuality is wrong is a-okay.
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7/25/2010 8:39:09 AM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 7/25/2010 6:58:32 AM, acritic wrote:
How does Christianity face the fact that in the OT it says that the laws given weren't meant to be replaced?

Oh the Old Testament was for the JEWS... we don't need to pay attention to it at all. We just like some parts of it...
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7/25/2010 11:35:34 AM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 7/25/2010 8:39:09 AM, JustCallMeTarzan wrote:
At 7/25/2010 6:58:32 AM, acritic wrote:
How does Christianity face the fact that in the OT it says that the laws given weren't meant to be replaced?

Oh the Old Testament was for the JEWS... we don't need to pay attention to it at all. We just like some parts of it...

who is we I thought you were atheist.
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7/25/2010 11:45:45 AM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 7/25/2010 7:33:20 AM, acritic wrote:
A more detailed and logical response please.

Christians take parts of the OT, but leave some parts out, which is hypocritical. However, they don't think it's hypocritical for some reason. Ask a Christian.
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7/25/2010 11:48:13 AM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 7/25/2010 11:35:34 AM, sal wrote:
At 7/25/2010 8:39:09 AM, JustCallMeTarzan wrote:
At 7/25/2010 6:58:32 AM, acritic wrote:
How does Christianity face the fact that in the OT it says that the laws given weren't meant to be replaced?

Oh the Old Testament was for the JEWS... we don't need to pay attention to it at all. We just like some parts of it...

who is we I thought you were atheist.

He's making fun of it. Your prolly new here, so I'll just tell you, get used to it.
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7/25/2010 2:31:07 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 7/25/2010 7:06:42 AM, I-am-a-panda wrote:
By saying the OT is an outdated piece of sh*t, and then backpedalling and saying some parts like the 10 commandments and homosexuality is wrong is a-okay.

Is that what we say, now? Hmm....
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7/25/2010 2:36:41 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 7/25/2010 2:31:07 PM, popculturepooka wrote:
At 7/25/2010 7:06:42 AM, I-am-a-panda wrote:
By saying the OT is an outdated piece of sh*t, and then backpedalling and saying some parts like the 10 commandments and homosexuality is wrong is a-okay.

Is that what we say, now? Hmm....

Some do.
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7/25/2010 2:48:16 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 7/25/2010 2:31:07 PM, popculturepooka wrote:
At 7/25/2010 7:06:42 AM, I-am-a-panda wrote:
By saying the OT is an outdated piece of sh*t, and then backpedalling and saying some parts like the 10 commandments and homosexuality is wrong is a-okay.

Is that what we say, now? Hmm....

replace outdated piece of sh*t with "product of its time" or "embedded within an even further inferior culture" or simply "a primitive corruption of true christian ethics"; replace backpedalling with cherry-picking based on modern values. and then yes.... thats pretty much what christians say :P
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7/25/2010 3:17:21 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 7/25/2010 2:48:16 PM, belle wrote:
At 7/25/2010 2:31:07 PM, popculturepooka wrote:
At 7/25/2010 7:06:42 AM, I-am-a-panda wrote:
By saying the OT is an outdated piece of sh*t, and then backpedalling and saying some parts like the 10 commandments and homosexuality is wrong is a-okay.

Is that what we say, now? Hmm....

replace outdated piece of sh*t with "product of its time" or "embedded within an even further inferior culture" or simply "a primitive corruption of true christian ethics"; replace backpedalling with cherry-picking based on modern values. and then yes.... thats pretty much what christians say :P

Never have heard any Christians say or imply any of that except the first one. This makes me wonder what kind of Christians you guys interact with.
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7/25/2010 3:21:11 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 7/25/2010 3:17:21 PM, popculturepooka wrote:
At 7/25/2010 2:48:16 PM, belle wrote:
replace outdated piece of sh*t with "product of its time" or "embedded within an even further inferior culture" or simply "a primitive corruption of true christian ethics"; replace backpedalling with cherry-picking based on modern values. and then yes.... thats pretty much what christians say :P

Never have heard any Christians say or imply any of that except the first one. This makes me wonder what kind of Christians you guys interact with.

Come on, you know that most Christians, including yourself say the OT is irrelevant and replaced by the NT. If you still believe the OT, then go outside on Sunday and stone your neighbor to death for mowing the lawn.
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7/25/2010 3:26:04 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 7/25/2010 3:21:11 PM, GeoLaureate8 wrote:
At 7/25/2010 3:17:21 PM, popculturepooka wrote:
At 7/25/2010 2:48:16 PM, belle wrote:
replace outdated piece of sh*t with "product of its time" or "embedded within an even further inferior culture" or simply "a primitive corruption of true christian ethics"; replace backpedalling with cherry-picking based on modern values. and then yes.... thats pretty much what christians say :P

Never have heard any Christians say or imply any of that except the first one. This makes me wonder what kind of Christians you guys interact with.

Come on, you know that most Christians, including yourself say the OT is irrelevant and replaced by the NT. If you still believe the OT, then go outside on Sunday and stone your neighbor to death for mowing the lawn.

I'm pretty sure you're either lying, severely ignorant, or have massive amnesia if you think I think the OT is "irrelevant". You know - since we ALREADY have had an exchange on this and the "death penalty" laws in the OT.
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7/25/2010 3:29:00 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 7/25/2010 3:26:04 PM, popculturepooka wrote:
At 7/25/2010 3:21:11 PM, GeoLaureate8 wrote:
Come on, you know that most Christians, including yourself say the OT is irrelevant and replaced by the NT. If you still believe the OT, then go outside on Sunday and stone your neighbor to death for mowing the lawn.

I'm pretty sure you're either lying, severely ignorant, or have massive amnesia if you think I think the OT is "irrelevant".

You don't follow any of the OT laws. That's my point.

You know - since we ALREADY have had an exchange on this and the "death penalty" laws in the OT.

And we didn't get anywhere. I didn't understand your explanation and still don't.

So put it simply, why are the 10 Commandments still to be followed, but not the rest of the OT laws.
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7/25/2010 3:31:46 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
I have a c/p for the trinity and Problem of evil but now it looks like I have one of Christian doctrine too.

Jesus changed rules notably the majority of Mosaic Law, it's a major biblical contradiction. If you know the story of the Crucifixion and Parsees, this is the main reason as to why he was killed. The ministry of Jesus is very different of the Law and codes of Moses, David and Isaiah. The simple fact is because Jesus is GOD, the messiah, his word overrules previous sayings by Prophets or Apostles.

Why do we allow gentiles to be Christian, eat pork, not kill? Because Jesus said so. It's really that simple.

Anything in the four cannon Gospels overrules everything else in the Bible. Anything in one Gospel overrules another Gospel given the subject Gospel has the message recited or held to greater esteem.
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7/25/2010 3:36:41 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
This is the distinction 'skeptics' don't get. There's a difference between lesser regard and irrelevance.

We follow the Old Testament(and mosaic law, which you're refering to) unless Jesus says otherwise. Adultery is still a sin we just can't kill them for it.

Easy, elementary RE.
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7/25/2010 3:37:53 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 7/25/2010 3:31:46 PM, Zetsubou wrote:
I have a c/p for the trinity and Problem of evil but now it looks like I have one of Christian doctrine too.


Jesus changed rules notably the majority of Mosaic Law, it's a major biblical contradiction. If you know the story of the Crucifixion and Parsees, this is the main reason as to why he was killed. The ministry of Jesus is very different of the Law and codes of Moses, David and Isaiah. The simple fact is because Jesus is GOD, the messiah, his word overrules previous sayings by Prophets or Apostles.

Why do we allow gentiles to be Christian, eat pork, not kill? Because Jesus said so. It's really that simple.

Anything in the four cannon Gospels overrules everything else in the Bible. Anything in one Gospel overrules another Gospel given the subject Gospel has the message recited or held to greater esteem.

So he changed his mind
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7/25/2010 3:39:56 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
Geo,

let us try this directy, give me a law and I'll tell you why we don't follow it. Hopefully, after a while you'll see a trend and then you should get the message.
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7/25/2010 3:44:23 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 7/25/2010 3:37:53 PM, sal wrote:
At 7/25/2010 3:31:46 PM, Zetsubou wrote:
I have a c/p for the trinity and Problem of evil but now it looks like I have one of Christian doctrine too.


Jesus changed rules notably the majority of Mosaic Law, it's a major biblical contradiction. If you know the story of the Crucifixion and Parsees, this is the main reason as to why he was killed. The ministry of Jesus is very different of the Law and codes of Moses, David and Isaiah. The simple fact is because Jesus is GOD, the messiah, his word overrules previous sayings by Prophets or Apostles.

Why do we allow gentiles to be Christian, eat pork, not kill? Because Jesus said so. It's really that simple.

Anything in the four cannon Gospels overrules everything else in the Bible. Anything in one Gospel overrules another Gospel given the subject Gospel has the message recited or held to greater esteem.

So he changed his mind

Possibly, but they may have been misheard or changed. As Jesus puts it "because of the hardness of your heart he wrote you this commandment."
'sup DDO -- july 2013
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7/25/2010 3:45:57 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 7/25/2010 3:31:46 PM, Zetsubou wrote:
Anything in one Gospel overrules another Gospel given the subject Gospel has the message recited or held to greater esteem.

all the gospels overrule each other? lol
evidently i only come to ddo to avoid doing homework...
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7/25/2010 3:46:33 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 7/25/2010 3:44:23 PM, Zetsubou wrote:
At 7/25/2010 3:37:53 PM, sal wrote:
At 7/25/2010 3:31:46 PM, Zetsubou wrote:
I have a c/p for the trinity and Problem of evil but now it looks like I have one of Christian doctrine too.


Jesus changed rules notably the majority of Mosaic Law, it's a major biblical contradiction. If you know the story of the Crucifixion and Parsees, this is the main reason as to why he was killed. The ministry of Jesus is very different of the Law and codes of Moses, David and Isaiah. The simple fact is because Jesus is GOD, the messiah, his word overrules previous sayings by Prophets or Apostles.

Why do we allow gentiles to be Christian, eat pork, not kill? Because Jesus said so. It's really that simple.

Anything in the four cannon Gospels overrules everything else in the Bible. Anything in one Gospel overrules another Gospel given the subject Gospel has the message recited or held to greater esteem.

So he changed his mind

Possibly, but they may have been misheard or changed. As Jesus puts it "because of the hardness of your heart he wrote you this commandment."

All knowing and changed his mind?
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7/25/2010 3:47:45 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 7/25/2010 3:39:56 PM, Zetsubou wrote:
Geo,

let us try this directy, give me a law and I'll tell you why we don't follow it. Hopefully, after a while you'll see a trend and then you should get the message.

tzitzit.
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7/25/2010 3:49:08 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 7/25/2010 3:29:00 PM, GeoLaureate8 wrote:
At 7/25/2010 3:26:04 PM, popculturepooka wrote:
At 7/25/2010 3:21:11 PM, GeoLaureate8 wrote:
Come on, you know that most Christians, including yourself say the OT is irrelevant and replaced by the NT. If you still believe the OT, then go outside on Sunday and stone your neighbor to death for mowing the lawn.

I'm pretty sure you're either lying, severely ignorant, or have massive amnesia if you think I think the OT is "irrelevant".

You don't follow any of the OT laws. That's my point.


Even if that were true it (which it isn't) it doesn't follow that I think the OT is "irrelevant".

You know - since we ALREADY have had an exchange on this and the "death penalty" laws in the OT.

And we didn't get anywhere. I didn't understand your explanation and still don't.


I don't understand why you didn't get it. The laws were hyperbole.

So put it simply, why are the 10 Commandments still to be followed, but not the rest of the OT laws.

Because there is a difference between moral and ceremonial law.
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7/25/2010 3:51:18 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 7/25/2010 3:47:45 PM, acritic wrote:
At 7/25/2010 3:39:56 PM, Zetsubou wrote:
Geo,

let us try this directy, give me a law and I'll tell you why we don't follow it. Hopefully, after a while you'll see a trend and then you should get the message.

tzitzit.

Lama atta misvakeach im hanotzrim
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7/25/2010 3:58:09 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 7/25/2010 3:45:57 PM, belle wrote:
At 7/25/2010 3:31:46 PM, Zetsubou wrote:
Anything in one Gospel overrules another Gospel given the subject Gospel has the message recited or held to greater esteem.

all the gospels overrule each other? lol

Yeah.
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7/25/2010 4:00:10 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 7/25/2010 3:49:08 PM, popculturepooka wrote:
At 7/25/2010 3:29:00 PM, GeoLaureate8 wrote:

You don't follow any of the OT laws. That's my point.

Even if that were true it (which it isn't) it doesn't follow that I think the OT is "irrelevant".

That's besides the point. I want to know why the laws of OT don't apply. I'm pretty sure you don't stone people for working on the sabbath.

"anyone who works on the Sabbath must be put to death." (Exodus 31:12-15 NLT)

And we didn't get anywhere. I didn't understand your explanation and still don't.

I don't understand why you didn't get it. The laws were hyperbole.

You're case wasn't convincing. When God said that people should be put to death, he didn't mean slap their wrist.

So put it simply, why are the 10 Commandments still to be followed, but not the rest of the OT laws.

Because there is a difference between moral and ceremonial law.

Why does he have laws that aren't for moral purposes?
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7/25/2010 4:00:41 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 7/25/2010 3:46:33 PM, sal wrote:
At 7/25/2010 3:44:23 PM, Zetsubou wrote:
At 7/25/2010 3:37:53 PM, sal wrote:
At 7/25/2010 3:31:46 PM, Zetsubou wrote:
I have a c/p for the trinity and Problem of evil but now it looks like I have one of Christian doctrine too.


Jesus changed rules notably the majority of Mosaic Law, it's a major biblical contradiction. If you know the story of the Crucifixion and Parsees, this is the main reason as to why he was killed. The ministry of Jesus is very different of the Law and codes of Moses, David and Isaiah. The simple fact is because Jesus is GOD, the messiah, his word overrules previous sayings by Prophets or Apostles.

Why do we allow gentiles to be Christian, eat pork, not kill? Because Jesus said so. It's really that simple.

Anything in the four cannon Gospels overrules everything else in the Bible. Anything in one Gospel overrules another Gospel given the subject Gospel has the message recited or held to greater esteem.

So he changed his mind

Possibly, but they may have been misheard or changed. As Jesus puts it "because of the hardness of your heart he wrote you this commandment."

All knowing and changed his mind?

omniscience =//= Inability to change ones mind.
'sup DDO -- july 2013
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7/25/2010 4:18:00 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 7/25/2010 3:47:45 PM, acritic wrote:
At 7/25/2010 3:39:56 PM, Zetsubou wrote:
Geo,

let us try this directy, give me a law and I'll tell you why we don't follow it. Hopefully, after a while you'll see a trend and then you should get the message.

tzitzit.

G2g, I swear the "tzitzit" was a suggestion, but see ritual purity If I'm wrong.
'sup DDO -- july 2013