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FREEDO
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7/28/2010 2:15:53 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
Be punished by law as child-abuse?

And where is the line drawn that makes it indoctrination?
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7/28/2010 2:18:34 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 7/28/2010 2:15:53 PM, FREEDO wrote:
Be punished by law as child-abuse?


Yes.

And where is the line drawn that makes it indoctrination?

When parents or other people in charge of children tell them they must believe this way or they will forever burn in Hell, stuff like that.

Telling kids what you believe is okay, scaring them to believe the same thing, not okay.
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7/28/2010 2:26:51 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
Telling your kids Christianity\slam\Buddhism\Whatever is infallible and telling them not to challenge it is indoctrination. Showing them views and allowing them to question them is not.

Should it be a crime? Yes.
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7/28/2010 2:26:52 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
The problem is what's "criminal indoctrination?" Some say it's hardcore Evangelicals, some say it's any religion, others will say it's godless atheists...where do you draw the line?
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7/28/2010 2:27:23 PM
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At 7/28/2010 2:25:10 PM, badger wrote:
obviously not. like lovelife said, telling your children what you believe is ok.

Yea, telling your children about your beliefs is fine, but actually brainwashing and indoctrinating them is not. Same goes for all you non-religious folk out there!
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7/28/2010 2:28:36 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 7/28/2010 2:26:51 PM, I-am-a-panda wrote:
Telling your kids Christianity\slam\Buddhism\Whatever is infallible and telling them not to challenge it is indoctrination. Showing them views and allowing them to question them is not.

you can't force your beliefs on someone.


Should it be a crime? Yes.
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7/28/2010 2:29:28 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 7/28/2010 2:27:23 PM, InsertNameHere wrote:
At 7/28/2010 2:25:10 PM, badger wrote:
obviously not. like lovelife said, telling your children what you believe is ok.

Yea, telling your children about your beliefs is fine, but actually brainwashing and indoctrinating them is not. Same goes for all you non-religious folk out there!

Sure, but the problem is just that: where is the line between "telling your children about your beliefs" and "brainwashing" and "indoctrination"? And even MORE important: WHO get's to decide?
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7/28/2010 2:29:48 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 7/28/2010 2:29:28 PM, tBoonePickens wrote:
At 7/28/2010 2:27:23 PM, InsertNameHere wrote:
At 7/28/2010 2:25:10 PM, badger wrote:
obviously not. like lovelife said, telling your children what you believe is ok.

Yea, telling your children about your beliefs is fine, but actually brainwashing and indoctrinating them is not. Same goes for all you non-religious folk out there!

Sure, but the problem is just that: where is the line between "telling your children about your beliefs" and "brainwashing" and "indoctrination"? And even MORE important: WHO get's to decide?

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7/28/2010 2:31:32 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 7/28/2010 2:29:28 PM, tBoonePickens wrote:
At 7/28/2010 2:27:23 PM, InsertNameHere wrote:
At 7/28/2010 2:25:10 PM, badger wrote:
obviously not. like lovelife said, telling your children what you believe is ok.

Yea, telling your children about your beliefs is fine, but actually brainwashing and indoctrinating them is not. Same goes for all you non-religious folk out there!

Sure, but the problem is just that: where is the line between "telling your children about your beliefs" and "brainwashing" and "indoctrination"? And even MORE important: WHO get's to decide?

That could be complicated...
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7/28/2010 2:32:34 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
Ya, the question of where do you draw the line is tough. Personally, I would teach a kid not to believe everything they hear, and to treat others as they would want to be treated.
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7/28/2010 2:33:15 PM
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That's why I say, pick one POV and force everyone to agree!
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7/28/2010 2:34:43 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 7/28/2010 2:30:52 PM, FREEDO wrote:
By what process would criminal indoctrination be specifically identified?

Forced to work in or support in anyway, a political party, cause or doctrine? Being taught a political doctrine is superior to others...Oh wait, wrong thread category.
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7/28/2010 2:36:57 PM
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I would teach the kids what I believe as a "godless atheist" but also show some religious texts from different religions that back up how I feel, and let the kid decide to be a godless atheist or a buddhist or Christian, or Muslim or anything that kid wants to be. Of course I wouldn't be happy if they found a religion that goes completely against my beliefs, or if they try and force people into it, but its really their choice.
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7/28/2010 2:37:00 PM
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Perhaps a mandatory anti-indoctrination class which simply explains to children that their parents MAY be wrong and that there are other alternatives is sufficient enough.

I didn't even know there were things other than Christianity for a large portion of my childhood.
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7/28/2010 2:38:41 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 7/28/2010 2:37:00 PM, FREEDO wrote:
Perhaps a mandatory anti-indoctrination class which simply explains to children that their parents MAY be wrong and that there are other alternatives is sufficient enough.

I didn't even know there were things other than Christianity for a large portion of my childhood.

I am the same way. I was raised a Catholic. School, church, friends, and teachings were all catholic. I didn't know there was much other than that until I was about 14.
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7/28/2010 2:38:56 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 7/28/2010 2:37:00 PM, FREEDO wrote:
Perhaps a mandatory anti-indoctrination class which simply explains to children that their parents MAY be wrong and that there are other alternatives is sufficient enough.

I didn't even know there were things other than Christianity for a large portion of my childhood.

Seriously? There are places like that in California?
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7/28/2010 2:39:17 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 7/28/2010 2:37:00 PM, FREEDO wrote:
Perhaps a mandatory anti-indoctrination class which simply explains to children that their parents MAY be wrong and that there are other alternatives is sufficient enough.

I didn't even know there were things other than Christianity for a large portion of my childhood.

i like that idea actually.
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lovelife
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7/28/2010 2:39:22 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 7/28/2010 2:37:00 PM, FREEDO wrote:
Perhaps a mandatory anti-indoctrination class which simply explains to children that their parents MAY be wrong and that there are other alternatives is sufficient enough.

I didn't even know there were things other than Christianity for a large portion of my childhood.

Same. I knew about Judism too tho. Then vaguely learned about Islam a few years ago. Got in sh*t for finding out about atheism and satanism and wicca a couple years ago.
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7/28/2010 2:39:30 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 7/28/2010 2:37:00 PM, FREEDO wrote:
Perhaps a mandatory anti-indoctrination class which simply explains to children that their parents MAY be wrong and that there are other alternatives is sufficient enough.
But isn't that indoctrinating them into anti-indoctrination? I certainly wouldn't want my kids getting indoctrinated into that!

I didn't even know there were things other than Christianity for a large portion of my childhood.
Sh!t, I didn't even know that Santa Clause was my parents for a large portion of mine! But we both turned out ok, right?
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FREEDO
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7/28/2010 2:41:29 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 7/28/2010 2:38:56 PM, innomen wrote:
At 7/28/2010 2:37:00 PM, FREEDO wrote:
Perhaps a mandatory anti-indoctrination class which simply explains to children that their parents MAY be wrong and that there are other alternatives is sufficient enough.

I didn't even know there were things other than Christianity for a large portion of my childhood.

Seriously? There are places like that in California?

LMAO yes, California is a lot more conservative than people seem to think. They voted down prop 8 after all. I pretty much live in the most conservative Christian town in California too.
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7/28/2010 2:41:44 PM
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At 7/28/2010 2:36:57 PM, lovelife wrote:
I would teach the kids what I believe as a "godless atheist" but also show some religious texts from different religions that back up how I feel, and let the kid decide to be a godless atheist or a buddhist or Christian, or Muslim or anything that kid wants to be. Of course I wouldn't be happy if they found a religion that goes completely against my beliefs, or if they try and force people into it, but its really their choice.

That's pretty much how I feel too. I will tell them about my views, but also allow them to explore other views as well. In fact, I'll encourage them to read the Bible, the Qur'an, the Buddhist scriptures, and every other religious scripture so they can decide what they truly believe. Heck, whenever my friends invited me to go to church I would go because my mom would encourage it to explore different beliefs. Plus, I was curious myself. Of course in the end I ended up not being Christian. Haha.
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7/28/2010 2:42:28 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 7/28/2010 2:39:30 PM, tBoonePickens wrote:
At 7/28/2010 2:37:00 PM, FREEDO wrote:
Perhaps a mandatory anti-indoctrination class which simply explains to children that their parents MAY be wrong and that there are other alternatives is sufficient enough.
But isn't that indoctrinating them into anti-indoctrination? I certainly wouldn't want my kids getting indoctrinated into that!

lol, it's preferable to them growing up to become suicide bombers though.

I didn't even know there were things other than Christianity for a large portion of my childhood.
Sh!t, I didn't even know that Santa Clause was my parents for a large portion of mine! But we both turned out ok, right?

i dunno. i think god kinda fvcked me up a small bit.
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7/28/2010 2:42:45 PM
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At 7/28/2010 2:39:30 PM, tBoonePickens wrote:
At 7/28/2010 2:37:00 PM, FREEDO wrote:
Perhaps a mandatory anti-indoctrination class which simply explains to children that their parents MAY be wrong and that there are other alternatives is sufficient enough.
But isn't that indoctrinating them into anti-indoctrination? I certainly wouldn't want my kids getting indoctrinated into that!

I didn't even know there were things other than Christianity for a large portion of my childhood.
Sh!t, I didn't even know that Santa Clause was my parents for a large portion of mine! But we both turned out ok, right?

You're trolling.
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7/28/2010 2:43:51 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 7/28/2010 2:42:28 PM, badger wrote:
At 7/28/2010 2:39:30 PM, tBoonePickens wrote:
At 7/28/2010 2:37:00 PM, FREEDO wrote:
Perhaps a mandatory anti-indoctrination class which simply explains to children that their parents MAY be wrong and that there are other alternatives is sufficient enough.
But isn't that indoctrinating them into anti-indoctrination? I certainly wouldn't want my kids getting indoctrinated into that!

lol, it's preferable to them growing up to become suicide bombers though.
True, but then those aren't the only 2 options.


I didn't even know there were things other than Christianity for a large portion of my childhood.
Sh!t, I didn't even know that Santa Clause was my parents for a large portion of mine! But we both turned out ok, right?

i dunno. i think god kinda fvcked me up a small bit.
Really? Sure it wasn't the "other guy" that f-you up?
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7/28/2010 2:43:53 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 7/28/2010 2:42:45 PM, FREEDO wrote:
At 7/28/2010 2:39:30 PM, tBoonePickens wrote:
At 7/28/2010 2:37:00 PM, FREEDO wrote:
Perhaps a mandatory anti-indoctrination class which simply explains to children that their parents MAY be wrong and that there are other alternatives is sufficient enough.
But isn't that indoctrinating them into anti-indoctrination? I certainly wouldn't want my kids getting indoctrinated into that!

I didn't even know there were things other than Christianity for a large portion of my childhood.
Sh!t, I didn't even know that Santa Clause was my parents for a large portion of mine! But we both turned out ok, right?

You're trolling.

he's not really.
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7/28/2010 2:44:27 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 7/28/2010 2:28:36 PM, badger wrote:
At 7/28/2010 2:26:51 PM, I-am-a-panda wrote:
Telling your kids Christianity\slam\Buddhism\Whatever is infallible and telling them not to challenge it is indoctrination. Showing them views and allowing them to question them is not.

you can't force your beliefs on someone.

Yeah, which is why you presented multiple viewpoints and allow them to challenge it.
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