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7/29/2010 11:35:02 AM
Posted: 6 years ago
What would you have done if you were the professor in this video

or a student for that matter?
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7/29/2010 11:38:50 AM
Posted: 6 years ago
uugh...not this again...

What is the source of this story anyway? You just accept it as true. I'm not saying it isn't though.

I wouldn't have done the chalk thing in the first place because it's actually fairly possible to chance so it doesn't prove anything. Lighting would be much more effective.
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7/29/2010 11:44:28 AM
Posted: 6 years ago
Christian propaganda is propagandizing.

I would have essentially said that if God existed, he would have to make a piece of paper I pick up unrippable. Leaves nothing up to chance (or any great chance), and if God existed, he could certainly do such a feat.
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7/29/2010 11:50:18 AM
Posted: 6 years ago
21 seconds in it became apparent that the story is fiction.
I am voting for Innomen because of his intelligence, common sense, humility and the fact that Juggle appears to listen to him. Any other Presidential style would have a large sub-section of the site up in arms. If I was President I would destroy the site though elitism, others would let it run riot. Innomen represents a middle way that works, neither draconian nor anarchic and that is the only way things can work. Plus he does it all without ego trips.
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7/29/2010 11:52:19 AM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 7/29/2010 11:51:19 AM, FREEDO wrote:
I demand a source.

The story isn't even unbelievable, it just sounds like something stupid a Christian would make up.
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7/29/2010 11:52:53 AM
Posted: 6 years ago
Too predictable. I'm sure there's a better storyline somewhere.
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7/29/2010 1:35:15 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 7/29/2010 11:35:02 AM, Strikeeagle84015 wrote:
What would you have done if you were the professor in this video
or a student for that matter?

OK. I'll do the professor first cause it's easy. If I was the professor, I would not have wasted my time MUCH less that of 300 students in such a mundane task. Perhaps a day or week at most on the topic, but certainly not a semester. However, if I bothered to do that, I certainly wouldn't be startled by an unbroken chalk after 20 years. What kind of a p_ssy is this professor anyways? I would think that God would at least want him to have some conviction or a set nuts at least!

The student: so much here so I'll do one by one...
(1) "No one had ever argued with him in class..." Well, in large lecture halls with 300 students, there usually isn't much quid pro quo going on as it's a lecture hall as in you go there to get lectured.
(2) That obvious point aside, it says that in 20 years of asking that "anyone who still believes in Jesus, stand up" and claiming that no one ever stood up is quite far fetched. First of all, why he's asking just about Jesus and not just God or god or whatever is beyond me. Secondly, this would mean (assuming 2 semesters per year) that it was 12,000 students that never stood up. Even in a godless haven like Southern California (which I assume is why he used USC), there's gotta be some poor dumb bastard that got up, no? It's not like you would fail the class, right? He was going to drop a chalk on the floor which (even if it didn't do the "acrobatics" claimed in the video) still runs the risk of not breaking in front of all to see. So what if it breaks? All that really proves is that chalks break when dropped on floors; that's it! As well as the corollary: an unbroken dropped chalk is just that; it doesn't prove God exists.
(3) It says most of the students thought that God doesn't exist. Well, that's kinda presumptuous, no? I mean what if they did but thought that God wouldn't be bothered with this foolish professor? I dunno, it's a pretty bold statement.
(4) So Joe Christian, no it's So. Cal. so lets go with Jesus (pronounce Hay Seuss). So Jesus Hernandez is taking the class as a prerequisite and heard about the professor and he was afraid...of what, pray tell? I have no idea where this fear comes from but, whatever.
(5) So Jesus prays every morning for 3 months asking God for the courage to be able to stand up no matter what the prof said or the class thought. For starters, I myself like to pray before I go to bed: puts me right to sleep; sometimes I can't even finish. Second is the prayer topic: I usually like to ask for stuff like "don't let loved ones die, help the meek," you know, your average run of the mill self-less stuff. I certainly don't think I'd be bothering the Big Kahuna with such frivolous crap like the video, not to mention that I have no compunction about getting up if the prof asks me about Jesus (especially if I was named after Him, but I'm personally not.) Furthermore, I could give 3 sh!ts what the rest of the class thought.
(6) But it sounds to me, that Jesus might have been a little worried about his own faith, and maybe that's why he needed to pray. Maybe the old professor was getting to him!

Am I passing this on? No way. To me it's like a Jehovah's Witness or Mormon pamphlet: wouldn't even wipe my @ss with it! Sorry, but I completely loathe chain letters/videos.

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7/29/2010 5:34:55 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
If i were the student, when the christian stood up, i wouldve said to the professor, "No no, Professor, thats a lame experiment. Instead, lets saw off this christians leg, and see if God will grow it back for him, if he prays for it."

If i were the professor, ditto above.

That, or i wouldve said, "Great. If there is a God, pray for him to strike me down this instant." Then, wait for the christian to come down the stairs and strike me, and then sue the christian for physical assault.
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7/29/2010 5:39:19 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
Not convincing at all. The professor is dumb for thinking that a chalk not breaking will prove God. The people are stupid if they think a chalk not breaking is proof that God intervened and altered the chalk so that it wouldn't break. Not to mention, it's such a futile task. How about instead of saving the lives of chalk, how about he save the lives of real people?
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7/29/2010 11:35:15 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
I actually watched the whole thing, its pathetic.

If I had been the professor I would not have wasted my time in a philosophically bankrupt arguments, or at least have proposed a real test. If I had been his student I would have ripped him to shreds.

No philosophy professor would be stupid enough to propose the chalk experiment.
Chalk will not always break.
A committed atheist will not assume that his fumbling a bit of chalk is direct divine intervention.
300 students will not stay half an hour behind a lectiure, they have other lectures or beer to get to.
I am voting for Innomen because of his intelligence, common sense, humility and the fact that Juggle appears to listen to him. Any other Presidential style would have a large sub-section of the site up in arms. If I was President I would destroy the site though elitism, others would let it run riot. Innomen represents a middle way that works, neither draconian nor anarchic and that is the only way things can work. Plus he does it all without ego trips.
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7/30/2010 4:40:53 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 7/29/2010 11:38:50 AM, FREEDO wrote:
uugh...not this again...

What is the source of this story anyway? You just accept it as true. I'm not saying it isn't though.

I wouldn't have done the chalk thing in the first place because it's actually fairly possible to chance so it doesn't prove anything. Lighting would be much more effective.

Lightning!? you know if you handed me a gun and told me to shoot you to prove I exist I wouldn't do it.

plus even if you just ment for god to make the lightning strike next to you, after the event occurs and makes the papers cause some satellite caught it on tape, Russia would declare nuclear war sure that the event was not caused by god but by Project H.A.R.P. They already think the US used it to make an earthquake in Afghanistan at a strategically good time for an earthquake for our military.
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7/30/2010 4:47:56 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 7/29/2010 11:44:28 AM, Volkov wrote:
Christian propaganda is propagandizing.

I would have essentially said that if God existed, he would have to make a piece of paper I pick up unrippable. Leaves nothing up to chance (or any great chance), and if God existed, he could certainly do such a feat.

how many times? God doesn't do miraculous stuff for stupid reasons you know, and if he did them all the time we would find rather harassing, we like to world to have a regular order of things. if God makes special exceptions to the rules of nature at all you can be sure they would need to be kept few in order to be special at all.

and anyway why is thought the chalk dropping is a chance. it should be rather simple to focus enough for the task of dropping it properly, that it honestly would take a freak of nature event to move the chalk down your shirt.
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7/30/2010 4:48:33 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 7/29/2010 11:50:18 AM, Cerebral_Narcissist wrote:
21 seconds in it became apparent that the story is fiction.

how so?
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7/30/2010 5:17:42 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 7/30/2010 4:48:33 PM, Marauder wrote:
At 7/29/2010 11:50:18 AM, Cerebral_Narcissist wrote:
21 seconds in it became apparent that the story is fiction.

how so?

Too dramatic and unrealistic, but very predictable.
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7/30/2010 11:20:45 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 7/30/2010 4:48:33 PM, Marauder wrote:
At 7/29/2010 11:50:18 AM, Cerebral_Narcissist wrote:
21 seconds in it became apparent that the story is fiction.

how so?

Pause it at 21 seconds and read.
I am voting for Innomen because of his intelligence, common sense, humility and the fact that Juggle appears to listen to him. Any other Presidential style would have a large sub-section of the site up in arms. If I was President I would destroy the site though elitism, others would let it run riot. Innomen represents a middle way that works, neither draconian nor anarchic and that is the only way things can work. Plus he does it all without ego trips.
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8/1/2010 2:29:36 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 7/29/2010 11:35:02 AM, Strikeeagle84015 wrote:
What would you have done if you were the professor in this video

or a student for that matter?

I have never seen this video clip so I stayed with it the end and I got to thinking about do u need to share a video to generate debate on such a life long debate.
So no I wont share the video but what I will do is talk about the video.
I think I would have stood up, as I would not let my mind choices be influenced by a lecturer who is meant to be open and not be leading my choice.
How else can I learn after all its my choice my journey.
I then asked myself what shape colour nationality outfit would this god wear to make this god available to my way of thinking- that's when I got stuck you see to make god accessible we have made various types of images.
So that I did not get lost in that I decided to make a choice and take on Buddhist's way of translation namely all are recognised and what is of most importance for my choice is how I live my life with peace, and respect and love.
Then I thought about cynical lecturer and said well he to has point if we allow ourselves to argue about type and form of god then their never be anything but a fool fighting with the shadows.
When I was child I learnt about world religions and when I was adult I choose my pathway its individual to me and I am comforted about that choice.
What ever you choice it is what it is for the present and what it becomes in future who knows only time will tell.
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8/1/2010 3:52:25 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
the chalk results proved nothing, where did God ever say "Chalk will not be broken" ?

Let's have a look at what he did say would "not be broken" and see if it he was right ..

Ps 34:20 "He (Jesus) keepeth all his bones: not one of them is broken".
then 1,000 later - (approx)
John 19
32Then came the soldiers, and brake the legs of the first, and of the other which was crucified with him.

33But when they came to Jesus, and saw that he was dead already, they brake not his legs:

34But one of the soldiers with a spear pierced his side, and forthwith came there out blood and water.

35And he that saw it bare record, and his record is true: and he knoweth that he saith true, that ye might believe.

36For these things were done, that the scripture should be fulfilled, A bone of him shall not be broken.

A bit more precious than a piece of Chalk !
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8/1/2010 4:17:22 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 8/1/2010 3:52:25 PM, the-good-teacher wrote:
the chalk results proved nothing, where did God ever say "Chalk will not be broken" ?

Let's have a look at what he did say would "not be broken" and see if it he was right ..

Ps 34:20 "He (Jesus) keepeth all his bones: not one of them is broken".
then 1,000 later - (approx)
John 19
32Then came the soldiers, and brake the legs of the first, and of the other which was crucified with him.

33But when they came to Jesus, and saw that he was dead already, they brake not his legs:

34But one of the soldiers with a spear pierced his side, and forthwith came there out blood and water.

35And he that saw it bare record, and his record is true: and he knoweth that he saith true, that ye might believe.

36For these things were done, that the scripture should be fulfilled, A bone of him shall not be broken.

A bit more precious than a piece of Chalk !

No no, the chalk is damn important.

Mat 21:21 Jesus answered and said unto them, Verily I say unto you, If ye have faith, and doubt not, ye shall not only do this [which is done] to the fig tree, but also if ye shall say unto this mountain, Be thou removed, and be thou cast into the sea; it shall be done.

Clearly Jesus says that with faith, anything can be done. If Faith cant even protect a measly chalk from hitting the ground, then how is Faith gonna move a goddamn mountain?
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8/2/2010 2:02:08 AM
Posted: 6 years ago

Mat 21:21 Jesus answered and said unto them, Verily I say unto you, If ye have faith, and doubt not, ye shall not only do this [which is done] to the fig tree, but also if ye shall say unto this mountain, Be thou removed, and be thou cast into the sea; it shall be done.

Clearly Jesus says that with faith, anything can be done. If Faith cant even protect a measly chalk from hitting the ground, then how is Faith gonna move a goddamn mountain?

If we want anything from God we are told to "ask in the name of Jesus", (John 14:13) and to ask in the name of Jesus is to "ask in the nature of Jesus",
This would include "asking for signs" so is it in the nature of Jesus to ask for a sign ?

Matt 12:39 "....An evil and adulterous generation seeketh after a sign"; = No.

We all have mountains that require moving, for some it may be smoking, drinking, drugs, porn etc,
The verse you provided (Matt 21:21) tells the reader that whatever mountain stands before you, it is never too big that it cannot be overcome, and permanently removed through "faith" = "belief and trust in Jesus as your Lord God and saviour" = made a new creature in Christ..
2 Cor 5:17 "Therefore if any man be in Christ, he is a new creature: old things are passed away; behold, all things are become new".

This cursing of the barren fig-tree represents the state of hypocrites, and false religions in general,
Their leaves and fruit appear together, so because of it's leafy mass it looks deceptively healthy at a glance, , but it's producing no fruit (good works) and is really in a sorry state, so Jesus condemns it

Mountains are removed every day, and prove the scripture to be correct,, yet chalk will continue to break and prove nothing !
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8/2/2010 3:04:47 AM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 7/29/2010 11:35:02 AM, Strikeeagle84015 wrote:
What would you have done if you were the professor in this video

or a student for that matter?

It is NOT about proving God's existence!

It IS about us proving ourselves worthy of Him!
The Cross.. the Cross.
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8/2/2010 6:51:08 AM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 8/1/2010 2:29:36 PM, arma wrote:
At 7/29/2010 11:35:02 AM, Strikeeagle84015 wrote:
What would you have done if you were the professor in this video

or a student for that matter?

I have never seen this video clip so I stayed with it the end and I got to thinking about do u need to share a video to generate debate on such a life long debate.
So no I wont share the video but what I will do is talk about the video.
I think I would have stood up, as I would not let my mind choices be influenced by a lecturer who is meant to be open and not be leading my choice.
How else can I learn after all its my choice my journey.
I then asked myself what shape colour nationality outfit would this god wear to make this god available to my way of thinking- that's when I got stuck you see to make god accessible we have made various types of images.
So that I did not get lost in that I decided to make a choice and take on Buddhist's way of translation namely all are recognised and what is of most importance for my choice is how I live my life with peace, and respect and love.
Then I thought about cynical lecturer and said well he to has point if we allow ourselves to argue about type and form of god then their never be anything but a fool fighting with the shadows.
When I was child I learnt about world religions and when I was adult I choose my pathway its individual to me and I am comforted about that choice.
What ever you choice it is what it is for the present and what it becomes in future who knows only time will tell.

Huh?
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8/2/2010 7:47:49 AM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 8/2/2010 3:04:47 AM, DATCMOTO wrote:
At 7/29/2010 11:35:02 AM, Strikeeagle84015 wrote:
What would you have done if you were the professor in this video

or a student for that matter?

It is NOT about proving God's existence!

It IS about proving ourselves worthy of Him!

Please tell me, - How do we become "worthy" of him ?
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8/2/2010 12:16:42 PM
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At 7/30/2010 5:17:42 PM, lovelife wrote:
At 7/30/2010 4:48:33 PM, Marauder wrote:
At 7/29/2010 11:50:18 AM, Cerebral_Narcissist wrote:
21 seconds in it became apparent that the story is fiction.

how so?

Too dramatic and unrealistic, but very predictable.

cheesy stuff happens in reality all the time. did you know if you applied the Mary sue test to some real people like Bono they get an incredibly high score? http://www.springhole.net... Mary Sue test is supposed to show if your fictional character your making up for your book is unrealistic. and yet many real people qualify as unreal. crazy stuff happens more often than you think.
One act of Rebellion created all the darkness and evil in the world; One life of Total Obedience created a path back to eternity and God.

A Scout is Obedient.
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8/2/2010 12:18:45 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 7/30/2010 11:20:45 PM, Cerebral_Narcissist wrote:
At 7/30/2010 4:48:33 PM, Marauder wrote:
At 7/29/2010 11:50:18 AM, Cerebral_Narcissist wrote:
21 seconds in it became apparent that the story is fiction.

how so?

Pause it at 21 seconds and read.

you think teachers are above that, fanatic activist are everywhere narcy.
One act of Rebellion created all the darkness and evil in the world; One life of Total Obedience created a path back to eternity and God.

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8/2/2010 12:23:15 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 8/1/2010 4:17:22 PM, tkubok wrote:
At 8/1/2010 3:52:25 PM, the-good-teacher wrote:
the chalk results proved nothing, where did God ever say "Chalk will not be broken" ?

Let's have a look at what he did say would "not be broken" and see if it he was right ..

Ps 34:20 "He (Jesus) keepeth all his bones: not one of them is broken".
then 1,000 later - (approx)
John 19
32Then came the soldiers, and brake the legs of the first, and of the other which was crucified with him.

33But when they came to Jesus, and saw that he was dead already, they brake not his legs:

34But one of the soldiers with a spear pierced his side, and forthwith came there out blood and water.

35And he that saw it bare record, and his record is true: and he knoweth that he saith true, that ye might believe.

36For these things were done, that the scripture should be fulfilled, A bone of him shall not be broken.

A bit more precious than a piece of Chalk !

No no, the chalk is damn important.

Mat 21:21 Jesus answered and said unto them, Verily I say unto you, If ye have faith, and doubt not, ye shall not only do this [which is done] to the fig tree, but also if ye shall say unto this mountain, Be thou removed, and be thou cast into the sea; it shall be done.

Clearly Jesus says that with faith, anything can be done. If Faith cant even protect a measly chalk from hitting the ground, then how is Faith gonna move a goddamn mountain?

I think its a no brainier that this teacher didn't have that kind of faith. maybe you could say the student that stood up did, even without considering the results.
One act of Rebellion created all the darkness and evil in the world; One life of Total Obedience created a path back to eternity and God.

A Scout is Obedient.
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8/2/2010 12:27:25 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 8/2/2010 3:04:47 AM, DATCMOTO wrote:
At 7/29/2010 11:35:02 AM, Strikeeagle84015 wrote:
What would you have done if you were the professor in this video

or a student for that matter?

It is NOT about proving God's existence!

It IS about us proving ourselves worthy of Him!

No, I dont think I have ever heard a story that suggest we can prove worthy of him, including this one, you need to study up on your basics DATC. and the basics is 'we are not worthy of him, but he loves us anyway' John 3:16.

now it would be more logical to say this story is about the power of faith, rather than worthiness.
One act of Rebellion created all the darkness and evil in the world; One life of Total Obedience created a path back to eternity and God.

A Scout is Obedient.