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4/16/2015 7:23:31 PM
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Also, I wanna get you're guys opinion on this.
1.) Is Islam inherently peaceful, violent, or neutral? (I'm assuming we all share the same base standard of morality)
2.) Does Islam guarantee equality to all its believers?
3.) Is terrorism sanctioned in Islam?

I'm not taking any sides here, but I just wanna know. Thank you.
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4/16/2015 7:26:17 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 4/16/2015 7:23:31 PM, Pase66 wrote:
Check out this debate: http://www.debate.org...

Also, I wanna get you're guys opinion on this.
1.) Is Islam inherently peaceful, violent, or neutral? (I'm assuming we all share the same base standard of morality)

Violent. Islam condones killing people.

2.) Does Islam guarantee equality to all its believers?

Define 'equality'.

3.) Is terrorism sanctioned in Islam?

No.

I'm not taking any sides here, but I just wanna know. Thank you.
Marrying a 6 year old and waiting until she reaches puberty and maturity before having consensual sex is better than walking up to
a stranger in a bar and proceeding to have relations with no valid proof of the intent of the person. Muhammad wins. ~ Fatihah
If they don't want to be killed then they have to subdue to the Islamic laws. - Uncung
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4/16/2015 8:02:18 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 4/16/2015 7:23:31 PM, Pase66 wrote:
Check out this debate: http://www.debate.org...

Also, I wanna get you're guys opinion on this.
1.) Is Islam inherently peaceful, violent, or neutral? (I'm assuming we all share the same base standard of morality)

It justifies violence in self-defense.

2.) Does Islam guarantee equality to all its believers?

Uh, complicated question. can you be more specific?

3.) Is terrorism sanctioned in Islam?

No, condemned actually.

I'm not taking any sides here, but I just wanna know. Thank you.
"The Collectivist experiment is thoroughly suited (in appearance at least) to the Capitalist society which it proposes to replace. It works with the existing machinery of Capitalism, talks and thinks in the existing terms of Capitalism, appeals to just those appetites which Capitalism has aroused, and ridicules as fantastic and unheard-of just those things in society the memory of which Capitalism has killed among men wherever the blight of it has spread."
- Hilaire Belloc -
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4/16/2015 8:29:16 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 4/16/2015 7:23:31 PM, Pase66 wrote:
Check out this debate: http://www.debate.org...

Also, I wanna get you're guys opinion on this.
1.) Is Islam inherently peaceful, violent, or neutral? (I'm assuming we all share the same base standard of morality)
2.) Does Islam guarantee equality to all its believers?
3.) Is terrorism sanctioned in Islam?

I'm not taking any sides here, but I just wanna know. Thank you.

1. Historically, Islam has been known as the religion of peace for nonpropaganda reasons. A strong argument can be made that it is more neutral than peaceful.

2. Well, we are dealing with sacred texts here. You get what you want.

3. Can be, and is, are two different things.
The answer to your question is no.

Now let me answer the same questions for Christianity.
1, Historically, Christianity has been more Peaceful than not.

2. Equal in Christ, yes. Not equal in life, death, heaven, community affairs, etc.

3. We are dealing with sacred texts, you get what you want.
Pase66
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4/16/2015 9:32:41 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 4/16/2015 7:26:17 PM, DanneJeRusse wrote:
At 4/16/2015 7:23:31 PM, Pase66 wrote:
Check out this debate: http://www.debate.org...

Also, I wanna get you're guys opinion on this.
1.) Is Islam inherently peaceful, violent, or neutral? (I'm assuming we all share the same base standard of morality)

Violent. Islam condones killing people.

2.) Does Islam guarantee equality to all its believers?

Define 'equality'.

Men and woman have the same status, rights, etc.
3.) Is terrorism sanctioned in Islam?

No.

I'm not taking any sides here, but I just wanna know. Thank you.
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Pase66
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4/16/2015 9:33:22 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 4/16/2015 8:02:18 PM, Skepsikyma wrote:
At 4/16/2015 7:23:31 PM, Pase66 wrote:
Check out this debate: http://www.debate.org...

Also, I wanna get you're guys opinion on this.
1.) Is Islam inherently peaceful, violent, or neutral? (I'm assuming we all share the same base standard of morality)

It justifies violence in self-defense.

2.) Does Islam guarantee equality to all its believers?

Uh, complicated question. can you be more specific?

Same status, rights, opportunities, etc.
3.) Is terrorism sanctioned in Islam?

No, condemned actually.

I'm not taking any sides here, but I just wanna know. Thank you.
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Pase66
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4/16/2015 9:34:23 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 4/16/2015 8:29:16 PM, Welfare-Worker wrote:
At 4/16/2015 7:23:31 PM, Pase66 wrote:
Check out this debate: http://www.debate.org...

Also, I wanna get you're guys opinion on this.
1.) Is Islam inherently peaceful, violent, or neutral? (I'm assuming we all share the same base standard of morality)
2.) Does Islam guarantee equality to all its believers?
3.) Is terrorism sanctioned in Islam?

I'm not taking any sides here, but I just wanna know. Thank you.

1. Historically, Islam has been known as the religion of peace for nonpropaganda reasons. A strong argument can be made that it is more neutral than peaceful.

2. Well, we are dealing with sacred texts here. You get what you want.

3. Can be, and is, are two different things.
The answer to your question is no.

Now let me answer the same questions for Christianity.
1, Historically, Christianity has been more Peaceful than not.

2. Equal in Christ, yes. Not equal in life, death, heaven, community affairs, etc.

3. We are dealing with sacred texts, you get what you want.
Cause sacred texts can be interpreted in many, many different ways...
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Skepsikyma
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4/16/2015 9:34:39 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 4/16/2015 9:33:22 PM, Pase66 wrote:
At 4/16/2015 8:02:18 PM, Skepsikyma wrote:
At 4/16/2015 7:23:31 PM, Pase66 wrote:
Check out this debate: http://www.debate.org...

Also, I wanna get you're guys opinion on this.
1.) Is Islam inherently peaceful, violent, or neutral? (I'm assuming we all share the same base standard of morality)

It justifies violence in self-defense.

2.) Does Islam guarantee equality to all its believers?

Uh, complicated question. can you be more specific?

Same

Status: Nope

Rights: Not as understood in the West, no.

Opportunities: Yes

3.) Is terrorism sanctioned in Islam?

No, condemned actually.

I'm not taking any sides here, but I just wanna know. Thank you.
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- Hilaire Belloc -
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4/17/2015 4:43:02 AM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 4/16/2015 9:34:23 PM, Pase66 wrote:
At 4/16/2015 8:29:16 PM, Welfare-Worker wrote:
At 4/16/2015 7:23:31 PM, Pase66 wrote:
Check out this debate: http://www.debate.org...

Also, I wanna get you're guys opinion on this.
1.) Is Islam inherently peaceful, violent, or neutral? (I'm assuming we all share the same base standard of morality)
2.) Does Islam guarantee equality to all its believers?
3.) Is terrorism sanctioned in Islam?

I'm not taking any sides here, but I just wanna know. Thank you.

1. Historically, Islam has been known as the religion of peace for nonpropaganda reasons. A strong argument can be made that it is more neutral than peaceful.

2. Well, we are dealing with sacred texts here. You get what you want.

3. Can be, and is, are two different things.
The answer to your question is no.

Now let me answer the same questions for Christianity.
1, Historically, Christianity has been more Peaceful than not.

2. Equal in Christ, yes. Not equal in life, death, heaven, community affairs, etc.

3. We are dealing with sacred texts, you get what you want.
Cause sacred texts can be interpreted in many, many different ways...

So if we want to know what the sacred words say, the fair and reasonable thing to do is listen to, and observe the faithful, across history. When we do that we see the similarity among the Peoples of The Books.
This should be no surprise.
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4/17/2015 5:06:28 AM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 4/16/2015 7:23:31 PM, Pase66 wrote:
Check out this debate: http://www.debate.org...

- Dude, why did you forfeit ?!!!

Also, I wanna get you're guys opinion on this.
1.) Is Islam inherently peaceful, violent, or neutral? (I'm assuming we all share the same base standard of morality)

- Inherently, peaceful.

2.) Does Islam guarantee equality to all its believers?

- Most certainly.

3.) Is terrorism sanctioned in Islam?

- Of course not, it's severely punished by Shari'a.

I'm not taking any sides here, but I just wanna know. Thank you.

- What do you think?
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4/17/2015 5:20:39 AM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 4/16/2015 9:33:22 PM, Pase66 wrote:
2.) Does Islam guarantee equality to all its believers?
Same status, rights, opportunities, etc.

- Oh that, I was just discussing this with Zarroette, so I am just gonna copy paste what I wrote there:

- The Islamic Worldview about Gender can summarises in 3 points:

1. Islam doesn"t recognise equality of genders, rather Equity of Genders.
2. Women should be privileged in the Material Realm, Men should be privileged in the immaterial Realm.
3. From an exclusive Gender point of view (without accounting for general humanity): Women are primarily seen as Mothers, & Men are primarily seen as Protectors (of Women).

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1. => Although Islam prescribes equality among humans, it doesn"t promote it between genders.
> Equality in humanity:
*"Humans are equal, like a set of a tooth-comb, there is no superiority of the arabs among them over the non-arabs, or the whites among them over the blacks except by piety" Prophet Muhammad.
> No equality in gender:
"And the male is not like the female" (3:36)
> Equity in Gender:
* "Verily, Women are the equivalent to Men" Prophet Muhammad.
* "And they (women) have rights (over their husbands.) similar (to those of their husbands) over them, according to what is Equitable" (2:228).

=> So genders are equal in humanity, & equitable, though not equal, in gender.

.
2. => According to the Islamic Tradition:
> Men are inherently able (suitable, fit for, entitled to, capable) to deliver Material Functions ("Madyat" in Arabic).
> Women are inherently able (suitable, fit for, entitled to, capable") to deliver Immaterial Functions (morals, affections, emotions, sentiments, feelings) ("Ma'nawyat" in Arabic).

=> Therefore, the Islamic Tradition, throughout its teachings, ensures that Women are compensated in the Material Realm, & that Men are compensated in the Immaterial Realm, so that they are both in the same Equitable Position:

>>> For Men:
> It"s evident that Men are physically superior to Women. So, as Islam decrees, Women can not be responsible for Men in "Materialistics', & thus, Women have a Right over Men in respect to "Materialistics'. Hence, they are compensated.

>>> For Women:
> According to Islam: Women are the source of Mercy & Compassion in the human world:
* "Allah the Exalted has said: "I am Allah the Compassionate ("Rahman" in Arabic). I created the Womb (Rahim in Arabic same root as "Rahman"), and named it after My Name. Whoever joins it, I shall join him, and whoever cuts it off, I shall cut him off" Prophet Muhammad.
=> God put his Mercy & Compassion in the Womb, & made it the source & purpose of His Mercy. For that reason, according to the Islamic Worldview, Women are inherently superior to Men in respect to morals & spirituality. & thus, Men have a Right over Women in regards to "Immaterialistics". Hence, they are compensated.

=> In short, Women should be privileged in regards to the Material Realm, for they are naturally privileged (capable of fulfilling themselves) in the Immaterial Realm ; & Men should be privileged in regards to the Immaterial Realm, for they are naturally privileged (capable of fulfilling themselves) in the Material Realm. & That is how Equity is understood in the Islamic Tradition. & so, across Islamic Law, females always get more than males in material aspects, without exception: women are exempt from paying their own expenses, men aren"t ; women get more inheritance than men (despite the rumoured opposite) ; women are allowed to wear gold & silk, men aren't ; women are exempt from paying Zakat on their jewellery, men aren't ; female widows get a quota of 1 year of expanses from their deceased husband, male widowers don't ; men pay alimonies, women don't ; grooms pay the Dower, brides don't (Dowry) ; a widow is entitled double the amount of Blood Money (in case her husband was killed by accident) than the widower gets (whose wife also got killed by accident) . . . etc.

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3. => There is a Universal Maxim in Islamic Constitutional Law (Maq'asid ash-Shari'a) that reads: "With every Privilege comes a Duty of equal merit, & with every Duty come a Privilege of equal merit"

> In the case of Women, they have the Duty/Privilege of Motherhood: it is one of the most strenuous duties, & is equally one of the most privileged positions according to the Qur"an (it comes right after Prophethood & Sainthood):
* "And We have enjoined on man (to be dutiful and good) to his parents. His mother bore him in weakness and hardship upon weakness and hardship, and his weaning is in two years give thanks to Me and to your parents, unto Me is the final destination."(31:14)
* "Paradise lies at the feet of your mother" Prophet Muhammad.

> To elaborate on this Worldview: God created the Womb & associated it with Mercy & thus Motherhood. To understand better this idea, you have to know what Mercy means in Islam:
> There are two Attributes of Mercy of Allah in Islam:
1)- ar-Rahman (the Entirely Merciful) >>> in the sense that the Mercy of Allah expands & extends to all things.
2)- ar-Rahim (the Especially Merciful). >>> in the sense that the Mercy of Allah individually reaches & touches every single thing.
> In comparison, the Womb expands itself to extend a New Life, & reaches & touches every single part of this New Life.

==>> So, in the Islamic Worldview, since God created Men & Women, he gave Women the Womb & Men the Strength (to protect the Womb), & thereupon exempted each from the obligation of the natural Duty of the other.
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4/17/2015 5:33:09 AM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 4/16/2015 9:34:39 PM, Skepsikyma wrote:

Status: Nope

Rights: Not as understood in the West, no.

Opportunities: Yes

- I don't disagree. :)

- What have you been up to?
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4/17/2015 5:38:53 AM
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Is it just a coincidence that the name of Islam breaks down into "I slam"? They certainly seem to do enough of it.
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4/17/2015 10:51:39 AM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 4/16/2015 9:32:41 PM, Pase66 wrote:
At 4/16/2015 7:26:17 PM, DanneJeRusse wrote:
At 4/16/2015 7:23:31 PM, Pase66 wrote:
Check out this debate: http://www.debate.org...

Also, I wanna get you're guys opinion on this.
1.) Is Islam inherently peaceful, violent, or neutral? (I'm assuming we all share the same base standard of morality)

Violent. Islam condones killing people.

2.) Does Islam guarantee equality to all its believers?

Define 'equality'.

Men and woman have the same status, rights, etc.

Oh, then definitely not, women have far less rights than men. Their status is to be submissive to men.

3.) Is terrorism sanctioned in Islam?

No.

I'm not taking any sides here, but I just wanna know. Thank you.
Marrying a 6 year old and waiting until she reaches puberty and maturity before having consensual sex is better than walking up to
a stranger in a bar and proceeding to have relations with no valid proof of the intent of the person. Muhammad wins. ~ Fatihah
If they don't want to be killed then they have to subdue to the Islamic laws. - Uncung
Without God, you are lower than sh!t. ~ SpiritandTruth
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4/17/2015 10:54:53 AM
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At 4/17/2015 5:06:28 AM, Yassine wrote:
At 4/16/2015 7:23:31 PM, Pase66 wrote:

2.) Does Islam guarantee equality to all its believers?

- Most certainly.

At 4/17/2015 5:20:39 AM, Yassine wrote:

1. Islam doesn"t recognise equality of genders, rather Equity of Genders.

> No equality in gender:

=> So genders are equal in humanity, & equitable, though not equal, in gender.

Well done on contradicting yourself, yet again.
Marrying a 6 year old and waiting until she reaches puberty and maturity before having consensual sex is better than walking up to
a stranger in a bar and proceeding to have relations with no valid proof of the intent of the person. Muhammad wins. ~ Fatihah
If they don't want to be killed then they have to subdue to the Islamic laws. - Uncung
Without God, you are lower than sh!t. ~ SpiritandTruth
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4/17/2015 2:26:25 PM
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At 4/17/2015 5:38:53 AM, MadCornishBiker wrote:
Is it just a coincidence that the name of Islam breaks down into "I slam"? They certainly seem to do enough of it.

Just as Christianity had the inquisition, Crusades, and has been behind many other evil stuff?
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4/17/2015 2:28:04 PM
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At 4/17/2015 5:06:28 AM, Yassine wrote:
At 4/16/2015 7:23:31 PM, Pase66 wrote:
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- Dude, why did you forfeit ?!!!

I had bunch of stuff going on the past couple of days. I've barely had time to make an argument to my other debate.
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4/17/2015 2:41:03 PM
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At 4/17/2015 2:26:25 PM, Pase66 wrote:
At 4/17/2015 5:38:53 AM, MadCornishBiker wrote:
Is it just a coincidence that the name of Islam breaks down into "I slam"? They certainly seem to do enough of it.

Just as Christianity had the inquisition, Crusades, and has been behind many other evil stuff?

No, not Christianity. Apostate Christianity, the fake, not the real thing.
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4/17/2015 3:02:31 PM
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At 4/17/2015 2:41:03 PM, MadCornishBiker wrote:
At 4/17/2015 2:26:25 PM, Pase66 wrote:
At 4/17/2015 5:38:53 AM, MadCornishBiker wrote:
Is it just a coincidence that the name of Islam breaks down into "I slam"? They certainly seem to do enough of it.

Just as Christianity had the inquisition, Crusades, and has been behind many other evil stuff?

No, not Christianity. Apostate Christianity, the fake, not the real thing.

So, 'Cornish' refers to Britain, and not Scotland - do I have it right?
I wasn't sure.
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4/17/2015 4:19:40 PM
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At 4/17/2015 2:28:04 PM, Pase66 wrote:
At 4/17/2015 5:06:28 AM, Yassine wrote:
At 4/16/2015 7:23:31 PM, Pase66 wrote:
Check out this debate: http://www.debate.org...

- Dude, why did you forfeit ?!!!

I had bunch of stuff going on the past couple of days. I've barely had time to make an argument to my other debate.

- Oh! Good luck then :)
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4/17/2015 4:21:21 PM
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At 4/17/2015 10:51:39 AM, DanneJeRusse wrote:
Oh, then definitely not, women have far less rights than men.

- Such as?

Their status is to be submissive to men.

- False!
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4/17/2015 4:21:55 PM
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At 4/17/2015 10:54:53 AM, DanneJeRusse wrote:
Well done on contradicting yourself, yet again.

- Where is that contradiction?
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4/17/2015 6:19:05 PM
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At 4/17/2015 4:21:21 PM, Yassine wrote:
At 4/17/2015 10:51:39 AM, DanneJeRusse wrote:
Oh, then definitely not, women have far less rights than men.

- Such as?

Their status is to be submissive to men.

- False!

LOL. Sorry bud, but I know only too well from your debates with others and your posts here that and discussion is pointless. Why? Because you dismiss anything others say about Islam either because you consider it anti-Islamic or the sources provided are dismissed because you haven't personally approved them with some authoritative Islamic scholar.

Not only that, you refused to acknowledge evidence showing you wrong in regards to some alleged prophecies (men wearing shorts) and continued to use them later on with others.
Marrying a 6 year old and waiting until she reaches puberty and maturity before having consensual sex is better than walking up to
a stranger in a bar and proceeding to have relations with no valid proof of the intent of the person. Muhammad wins. ~ Fatihah
If they don't want to be killed then they have to subdue to the Islamic laws. - Uncung
Without God, you are lower than sh!t. ~ SpiritandTruth
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4/17/2015 6:22:04 PM
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At 4/17/2015 6:19:05 PM, DanneJeRusse wrote:
LOL. Sorry bud, but I know only too well from your debates with others and your posts here that and discussion is pointless. Why? Because you dismiss anything others say about Islam either because you consider it anti-Islamic or the sources provided are dismissed because you haven't personally approved them with some authoritative Islamic scholar.

- Made up stuff about Islam should evidently be discarded. If you have proof, bring it, otherwise there is nothing to discuss.

Not only that, you refused to acknowledge evidence showing you wrong in regards to some alleged prophecies (men wearing shorts) and continued to use them later on with others.

- You're always concerned with the thoughts of others, don't you have thoughts of your own?! I'll give you a 1000$ if you can disprove the prophecies I mentioned, how about that?!
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4/17/2015 6:40:46 PM
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At 4/16/2015 7:23:31 PM, Pase66 wrote:
Check out this debate: http://www.debate.org...

Also, I wanna get you're guys opinion on this.
1.) Is Islam inherently peaceful, violent, or neutral? (I'm assuming we all share the same base standard of morality)
No religion is all blood and gore, not even Islam. But the peaceful and loving sentiments and teachings are really outweighed by the religion's advocacy of many practices that constitute what we today consider violations of human rights.

2.) Does Islam guarantee equality to all its believers?
In belief and deed, yes. In social rank, no. For example, males and females in Islam are judged by Allah equally and their deeds are weighed equally. However, males are a "rank higher" than females, have authority over them, can have sex with their wives whenever they please, but not the other way around, and have the authority to discipline their wives, but not the other way around.

3.) Is terrorism sanctioned in Islam?
It depends on what you consider terrorism. If invading a people's land and giving them the following three options: 1. convert, 2. pay a tax and live under Islamic law (with the subversion of your own culture and values, of course), or 3. go to war is what you consider terrorism, then yes, it does.

I'm not taking any sides here, but I just wanna know. Thank you.
Thank you for opening discussion on this topic.
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4/17/2015 6:44:20 PM
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At 4/16/2015 9:34:23 PM, Pase66 wrote:
At 4/16/2015 8:29:16 PM, Welfare-Worker wrote:
At 4/16/2015 7:23:31 PM, Pase66 wrote:
Check out this debate: http://www.debate.org...

Also, I wanna get you're guys opinion on this.
1.) Is Islam inherently peaceful, violent, or neutral? (I'm assuming we all share the same base standard of morality)
2.) Does Islam guarantee equality to all its believers?
3.) Is terrorism sanctioned in Islam?

I'm not taking any sides here, but I just wanna know. Thank you.

1. Historically, Islam has been known as the religion of peace for nonpropaganda reasons. A strong argument can be made that it is more neutral than peaceful.

2. Well, we are dealing with sacred texts here. You get what you want.

3. Can be, and is, are two different things.
The answer to your question is no.

Now let me answer the same questions for Christianity.
1, Historically, Christianity has been more Peaceful than not.

2. Equal in Christ, yes. Not equal in life, death, heaven, community affairs, etc.

3. We are dealing with sacred texts, you get what you want.
Cause sacred texts can be interpreted in many, many different ways...
Which is the inherent flaw in all of them and why none of them should be accepted as divine law. You'd think a perfect being capable of anything, would at least be able to create a straightforward religion that cannot be twisted to match some political ideology. But then again, all religious text are written by people, so you can't really expect any better.
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4/17/2015 6:51:19 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 4/17/2015 5:06:28 AM, Yassine wrote:
At 4/16/2015 7:23:31 PM, Pase66 wrote:
Check out this debate: http://www.debate.org...

- Dude, why did you forfeit ?!!!

Also, I wanna get you're guys opinion on this.
1.) Is Islam inherently peaceful, violent, or neutral? (I'm assuming we all share the same base standard of morality)

- Inherently, peaceful.

Define peaceful, because I do not think that invading the country of another people to open it in the name of Allah and giving the people only three choices (1. convert to Islam, 2. live under Islamic law (with the subversion of your own values, preferred governmental structure, etc.) or 3. wage war) is exactly "peaceful".

2.) Does Islam guarantee equality to all its believers?

- Most certainly.

Possibly with regards to deeds and belief, but certainly not in status. Males are authorities over females with the right to have sex with their wives whenever they want (in the West, we call that marital rape), and the right to discipline their wives, even resorting to beating if other methods don't work (that's called domestic abuse in our countries).

3.) Is terrorism sanctioned in Islam?

- Of course not, it's severely punished by Shari'a.

But wouldn't you consider the invasions sanctioned by Islam, as described in my response to your first answer, a form of terrorism?

I'm not taking any sides here, but I just wanna know. Thank you.

- What do you think?
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4/17/2015 7:02:59 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 4/17/2015 6:22:04 PM, Yassine wrote:
At 4/17/2015 6:19:05 PM, DanneJeRusse wrote:
LOL. Sorry bud, but I know only too well from your debates with others and your posts here that and discussion is pointless. Why? Because you dismiss anything others say about Islam either because you consider it anti-Islamic or the sources provided are dismissed because you haven't personally approved them with some authoritative Islamic scholar.

- Made up stuff about Islam should evidently be discarded. If you have proof, bring it, otherwise there is nothing to discuss.

Oh yes, these women are just making it all up, they obviously have nothing else better to do.

http://www.clarionproject.org...
http://content.time.com...

http://quran.com...

Not only that, you refused to acknowledge evidence showing you wrong in regards to some alleged prophecies (men wearing shorts) and continued to use them later on with others.

- You're always concerned with the thoughts of others, don't you have thoughts of your own?! I'll give you a 1000$ if you can disprove the prophecies I mentioned, how about that?!

I already did that but you simple dismissed it out of hand.
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4/17/2015 8:53:01 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 4/17/2015 6:44:20 PM, Harper wrote:
At 4/16/2015 9:34:23 PM, Pase66 wrote:
At 4/16/2015 8:29:16 PM, Welfare-Worker wrote:
At 4/16/2015 7:23:31 PM, Pase66 wrote:
Check out this debate: http://www.debate.org...

Also, I wanna get you're guys opinion on this.
1.) Is Islam inherently peaceful, violent, or neutral? (I'm assuming we all share the same base standard of morality)
2.) Does Islam guarantee equality to all its believers?
3.) Is terrorism sanctioned in Islam?

I'm not taking any sides here, but I just wanna know. Thank you.

1. Historically, Islam has been known as the religion of peace for nonpropaganda reasons. A strong argument can be made that it is more neutral than peaceful.

2. Well, we are dealing with sacred texts here. You get what you want.

3. Can be, and is, are two different things.
The answer to your question is no.

Now let me answer the same questions for Christianity.
1, Historically, Christianity has been more Peaceful than not.

2. Equal in Christ, yes. Not equal in life, death, heaven, community affairs, etc.

3. We are dealing with sacred texts, you get what you want.
Cause sacred texts can be interpreted in many, many different ways...
Which is the inherent flaw in all of them and why none of them should be accepted as divine law. You'd think a perfect being capable of anything, would at least be able to create a straightforward religion that cannot be twisted to match some political ideology. But then again, all religious text are written by people, so you can't really expect any better.

Yes. In my personal opinion, I think that people should listen to their own innate sense of morality and justice, before accepting a part of a sacred text to be the truth. Also, this goes into the question of "what constitutes good morality", but I'd prefer we don't go into that question in this forum. Maybe the philosophy forum?
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4/17/2015 8:53:53 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 4/17/2015 4:19:40 PM, Yassine wrote:
At 4/17/2015 2:28:04 PM, Pase66 wrote:
At 4/17/2015 5:06:28 AM, Yassine wrote:
At 4/16/2015 7:23:31 PM, Pase66 wrote:
Check out this debate: http://www.debate.org...

- Dude, why did you forfeit ?!!!

I had bunch of stuff going on the past couple of days. I've barely had time to make an argument to my other debate.

- Oh! Good luck then :)

Thank you :)
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