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Harikrish
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5/4/2015 10:23:33 AM
Posted: 1 year ago
Religion is challenged by Philosophy and Science and gradually replacing old superstitions and archaic beliefs. It is a paradox that Christians still cling on to their superstitions and old Jewish tales of God and circumcised men determined to deflate each other's ego. The story ends with mixed feelings with the Jews rejecting their messiah who is exalted and a carpenters son who is portrayed as a liar and a lunatic and put to death for blasphemy.

"Religions were created to fill an existing vacuum in the minds of the people. All principal world religions were created at a time when humans did know next to nothing about their environment, world or the universe. In the then prevailing state of total ignorance things could still be explained away in an extremely coarse way. Often it was done by simply making up stories that sounded plausible in some way. Unfortunately, these stories simply do not hold up to closer examination anymore.
The need for such simplistic explanations has simply vanished with the rise of the science. We do now have quite satisfactory explanations for the structure and workings of the whole universe. We do not need those old stories which nomads told to each other on the evenings to pass the time away anymore."

"Modern science has made astounding progress in our understanding of ourselves and the universe. Physics, neuroscience, and psychology now tackle questions that a few decades ago could only be explored through philosophical speculation. So some vocal members of the scientific community, and even members of the general public, have suggested that philosophy itself has become a superfluous, archaic practice. Is philosophy useful and applicable today? Or has it been reduced to a dissociated game of mental aerobics, a mere ping-pong game of arguments and counter-arguments? John and Ken question the modern-day viability of philosophy with Massimo Pigliucci from the City University of New York, author of Answers to Aristotle: How Science and Philosophy Can Lead Us to A More Meaningful Life."

"In the last years many eminent scientists declared that physics or science in general can replace the social role of religion. Scientific arguments are also being raised against philosophy which is presented as speculative and impractical; in his last book, "The Grand Design", Stephen Hawking has argued that philosophy is no longer relevant. I believe that in order to examine these principal arguments we have to take into consideration three questions which have not yet received enough attention. First, we have to ask whether by following the conclusions of modern science we can become better persons. Second, if the answer for the first question is positive then in what manner can the guidance of scientific method make us better persons? Can science enable us to think more clearly, to overcome childish hopes and expectations, in other words, allow us to overcome our superstitions? Can the results of modern science make us become morally better? Third, in order to answer the second question we have to look into the history of the two last centuries and check whether it was science that brought moral emancipation to humanity? Did the publication of Charles Darwin"s" books or Albert Einstein"s articles has led us to become more reflective, moral or reasoning competent?"

But science has raised some philosophical and ethical questions along the way. With the introduction of the 'Uncertainty Principle', creation as a 'Singularity', Quantum Wave Function collapse. Scientist are questioning our understanding of reality which appears as dualistic, deterministic, probabilistic and uncertainly speculative.

This creates a renewed vigour in Christians who have persistently hung on to their beliefs that God held all the answers even though mans knowledge was advanced by the branches of study that questioned the limited scope of scriptures in addressing the nature of the universe and the natural and physical laws that govern it.
The Christian paradox remains in their unchanging attitudes towards knowledge that has advanced without the help of the scriptures or divine intervention but through the ingenuity of man. It is like Christians have waited for 2000 years to hear the first few questions now being asked by scientists and philosophers as a sign their ancient beliefs have somehow gathered more relevance. But what they fail to recognize is the questions raised by scientists today are not questions of morality or subservience to a mythical God. We passed that milestone when religious superstitions were replaced by more advance knowledge. But the Christian paradox remains.
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5/4/2015 12:41:58 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 5/4/2015 10:23:33 AM, Harikrish wrote:
Religion is challenged by Philosophy and Science and gradually replacing old superstitions and archaic beliefs. It is a paradox that Christians still cling on to their superstitions and old Jewish tales of God and circumcised men determined to deflate each other's ego. The story ends with mixed feelings with the Jews rejecting their messiah who is exalted and a carpenters son who is portrayed as a liar and a lunatic and put to death for blasphemy.

"Religions were created to fill an existing vacuum in the minds of the people. All principal world religions were created at a time when humans did know next to nothing about their environment, world or the universe. In the then prevailing state of total ignorance things could still be explained away in an extremely coarse way. Often it was done by simply making up stories that sounded plausible in some way. Unfortunately, these stories simply do not hold up to closer examination anymore.
The need for such simplistic explanations has simply vanished with the rise of the science. We do now have quite satisfactory explanations for the structure and workings of the whole universe. We do not need those old stories which nomads told to each other on the evenings to pass the time away anymore."

"Modern science has made astounding progress in our understanding of ourselves and the universe. Physics, neuroscience, and psychology now tackle questions that a few decades ago could only be explored through philosophical speculation. So some vocal members of the scientific community, and even members of the general public, have suggested that philosophy itself has become a superfluous, archaic practice. Is philosophy useful and applicable today? Or has it been reduced to a dissociated game of mental aerobics, a mere ping-pong game of arguments and counter-arguments? John and Ken question the modern-day viability of philosophy with Massimo Pigliucci from the City University of New York, author of Answers to Aristotle: How Science and Philosophy Can Lead Us to A More Meaningful Life."

"In the last years many eminent scientists declared that physics or science in general can replace the social role of religion. Scientific arguments are also being raised against philosophy which is presented as speculative and impractical; in his last book, "The Grand Design", Stephen Hawking has argued that philosophy is no longer relevant. I believe that in order to examine these principal arguments we have to take into consideration three questions which have not yet received enough attention. First, we have to ask whether by following the conclusions of modern science we can become better persons. Second, if the answer for the first question is positive then in what manner can the guidance of scientific method make us better persons? Can science enable us to think more clearly, to overcome childish hopes and expectations, in other words, allow us to overcome our superstitions? Can the results of modern science make us become morally better? Third, in order to answer the second question we have to look into the history of the two last centuries and check whether it was science that brought moral emancipation to humanity? Did the publication of Charles Darwin"s" books or Albert Einstein"s articles has led us to become more reflective, moral or reasoning competent?"

But science has raised some philosophical and ethical questions along the way. With the introduction of the 'Uncertainty Principle', creation as a 'Singularity', Quantum Wave Function collapse. Scientist are questioning our understanding of reality which appears as dualistic, deterministic, probabilistic and uncertainly speculative.

This creates a renewed vigour in Christians who have persistently hung on to their beliefs that God held all the answers even though mans knowledge was advanced by the branches of study that questioned the limited scope of scriptures in addressing the nature of the universe and the natural and physical laws that govern it.
The Christian paradox remains in their unchanging attitudes towards knowledge that has advanced without the help of the scriptures or divine intervention but through the ingenuity of man. It is like Christians have waited for 2000 years to hear the first few questions now being asked by scientists and philosophers as a sign their ancient beliefs have somehow gathered more relevance. But what they fail to recognize is the questions raised by scientists today are not questions of morality or subservience to a mythical God. We passed that milestone when religious superstitions were replaced by more advance knowledge. But the Christian paradox remains.
Aren't you religious? In the eastern religion religious sense?
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5/4/2015 1:34:07 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 5/4/2015 12:41:58 PM, RoderickSpode wrote:
At 5/4/2015 10:23:33 AM, Harikrish wrote:
Religion is challenged by Philosophy and Science and gradually replacing old superstitions and archaic beliefs. It is a paradox that Christians still cling on to their superstitions and old Jewish tales of God and circumcised men determined to deflate each other's ego. The story ends with mixed feelings with the Jews rejecting their messiah who is exalted and a carpenters son who is portrayed as a liar and a lunatic and put to death for blasphemy.

"Religions were created to fill an existing vacuum in the minds of the people. All principal world religions were created at a time when humans did know next to nothing about their environment, world or the universe. In the then prevailing state of total ignorance things could still be explained away in an extremely coarse way. Often it was done by simply making up stories that sounded plausible in some way. Unfortunately, these stories simply do not hold up to closer examination anymore.
The need for such simplistic explanations has simply vanished with the rise of the science. We do now have quite satisfactory explanations for the structure and workings of the whole universe. We do not need those old stories which nomads told to each other on the evenings to pass the time away anymore."

"Modern science has made astounding progress in our understanding of ourselves and the universe. Physics, neuroscience, and psychology now tackle questions that a few decades ago could only be explored through philosophical speculation. So some vocal members of the scientific community, and even members of the general public, have suggested that philosophy itself has become a superfluous, archaic practice. Is philosophy useful and applicable today? Or has it been reduced to a dissociated game of mental aerobics, a mere ping-pong game of arguments and counter-arguments? John and Ken question the modern-day viability of philosophy with Massimo Pigliucci from the City University of New York, author of Answers to Aristotle: How Science and Philosophy Can Lead Us to A More Meaningful Life."

"In the last years many eminent scientists declared that physics or science in general can replace the social role of religion. Scientific arguments are also being raised against philosophy which is presented as speculative and impractical; in his last book, "The Grand Design", Stephen Hawking has argued that philosophy is no longer relevant. I believe that in order to examine these principal arguments we have to take into consideration three questions which have not yet received enough attention. First, we have to ask whether by following the conclusions of modern science we can become better persons. Second, if the answer for the first question is positive then in what manner can the guidance of scientific method make us better persons? Can science enable us to think more clearly, to overcome childish hopes and expectations, in other words, allow us to overcome our superstitions? Can the results of modern science make us become morally better? Third, in order to answer the second question we have to look into the history of the two last centuries and check whether it was science that brought moral emancipation to humanity? Did the publication of Charles Darwin"s" books or Albert Einstein"s articles has led us to become more reflective, moral or reasoning competent?"

But science has raised some philosophical and ethical questions along the way. With the introduction of the 'Uncertainty Principle', creation as a 'Singularity', Quantum Wave Function collapse. Scientist are questioning our understanding of reality which appears as dualistic, deterministic, probabilistic and uncertainly speculative.

This creates a renewed vigour in Christians who have persistently hung on to their beliefs that God held all the answers even though mans knowledge was advanced by the branches of study that questioned the limited scope of scriptures in addressing the nature of the universe and the natural and physical laws that govern it.
The Christian paradox remains in their unchanging attitudes towards knowledge that has advanced without the help of the scriptures or divine intervention but through the ingenuity of man. It is like Christians have waited for 2000 years to hear the first few questions now being asked by scientists and philosophers as a sign their ancient beliefs have somehow gathered more relevance. But what they fail to recognize is the questions raised by scientists today are not questions of morality or subservience to a mythical God. We passed that milestone when religious superstitions were replaced by more advance knowledge. But the Christian paradox remains.
Aren't you religious? In the eastern religion religious sense?

Hinduism is the pursuit of spirituality and not bound by religious dogma. It is therefore transcendental not paradoxical like Christianity.
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5/5/2015 3:24:47 AM
Posted: 1 year ago
Hinduism fell for the Eastern religions desire to stop cognitive thought by using extreme meditation to severely alter the normal human brain functioning. Since Buddhism was the farthest along in this effort it was by science studies of the brains of meditating Buddhist monks that revealed the severe brain alteration going on as Buddhist monks sought satori and "enlightenment" which turns out to be shutting down the brain's sense of self center, i.e. a physical trick not unlike using drugs to tranquilize psychic pain away. This exposure of the one trick Buddha Mind pony ride of Buddhism and by extension all Eastern religions aimed at ego reduction or elimination, eliminates any spiritual or intellectual authority. And this is wisdom as we in the West can see that for all the thousands of years Eastern religions have existed still the countries practicing them are backward and keeping their populations in harm's way, e.g. Nepal right now unable to deal with major emergency, e.g. Tibet unable to deal with Communist China, e.g. India, unable to deal with her immense population overload and lack of infra-structure to support it.

This atheist Hindu still is stuck in the atheists no-nothing land as despite his Hindu claims of "philosophy" he doesn't know a blessed thing about spiritual consciousness of God. And like egotistical atheists everywhere, he mistakes his lack of spiritual experience as if ignorance of your subject matter were something to be proud of.
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5/5/2015 6:34:16 AM
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At 5/5/2015 3:24:47 AM, celestialtorahteacher wrote:
Hinduism fell for the Eastern religions desire to stop cognitive thought by using extreme meditation to severely alter the normal human brain functioning. Since Buddhism was the farthest along in this effort it was by science studies of the brains of meditating Buddhist monks that revealed the severe brain alteration going on as Buddhist monks sought satori and "enlightenment" which turns out to be shutting down the brain's sense of self center, i.e. a physical trick not unlike using drugs to tranquilize psychic pain away. This exposure of the one trick Buddha Mind pony ride of Buddhism and by extension all Eastern religions aimed at ego reduction or elimination, eliminates any spiritual or intellectual authority. And this is wisdom as we in the West can see that for all the thousands of years Eastern religions have existed still the countries practicing them are backward and keeping their populations in harm's way, e.g. Nepal right now unable to deal with major emergency, e.g. Tibet unable to deal with Communist China, e.g. India, unable to deal with her immense population overload and lack of infra-structure to support it.

This atheist Hindu still is stuck in the atheists no-nothing land as despite his Hindu claims of "philosophy" he doesn't know a blessed thing about spiritual consciousness of God. And like egotistical atheists everywhere, he mistakes his lack of spiritual experience as if ignorance of your subject matter were something to be proud of.

LOL "atheist Hindu" sounds like an oxymoron but I think you nailed it.
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5/5/2015 7:44:24 AM
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At 5/5/2015 3:24:47 AM, celestialtorahteacher wrote:
Hinduism fell for the Eastern religions desire to stop cognitive thought by using extreme meditation to severely alter the normal human brain functioning. Since Buddhism was the farthest along in this effort it was by science studies of the brains of meditating Buddhist monks that revealed the severe brain alteration going on as Buddhist monks sought satori and "enlightenment" which turns out to be shutting down the brain's sense of self center, i.e. a physical trick not unlike using drugs to tranquilize psychic pain away. This exposure of the one trick Buddha Mind pony ride of Buddhism and by extension all Eastern religions aimed at ego reduction or elimination, eliminates any spiritual or intellectual authority. And this is wisdom as we in the West can see that for all the thousands of years Eastern religions have existed still the countries practicing them are backward and keeping their populations in harm's way, e.g. Nepal right now unable to deal with major emergency, e.g. Tibet unable to deal with Communist China, e.g. India, unable to deal with her immense population overload and lack of infra-structure to support it.

This atheist Hindu still is stuck in the atheists no-nothing land as despite his Hindu claims of "philosophy" he doesn't know a blessed thing about spiritual consciousness of God. And like egotistical atheists everywhere, he mistakes his lack of spiritual experience as if ignorance of your subject matter were something to be proud of.

Pure vitriol. You should try meditation. It will help you become a happier person. Fancy attacking an already poor country devastated by natural disaster to mock their condition. That is Gnostic Christian love expressed by a Jew. The same people that crucified their messiah. The same people that God repeatedly punished and tried to destroy and finally scattered them across Europe where their tragedy was worse than what happened in Nepal. Hate begets hate.
You have not provided any peer review study to support your blatant distortions.

There are plenty peer review study on this subject. You can also compare the influence of Buddhism on other Asian countries that have adopted it such as Japan, Korea, China.

"Meditation practices have various health benefits including the possibility of preserving cognition and preventing dementia. While the mechanisms remain investigational, studies show that meditation may affect multiple pathways that could play a role in brain aging and mental fitness. For example, meditation may reduce stress-induced cortisol secretion and this could have neuroprotective effects potentially via elevating levels of brain derived neurotrophic factor (BDNF). Meditation may also potentially have beneficial effects on lipid profiles and lower oxidative stress, both of which could in turn reduce the risk for cerebrovascular disease and age-related neurodegeneration. Further, meditation may potentially strengthen neuronal circuits and enhance cognitive reserve capacity. These are the theoretical bases for how meditation might enhance longevity and optimal health. Evidence to support a neuroprotective effect comes from cognitive, electroencephalogram (EEG), and structural neuroimaging studies. In one cross-sectional study, meditation practitioners were found to have a lower age-related decline in thickness of specific cortical regions. However, the enthusiasm must be balanced by the inconsistency and preliminary nature of existing studies as well as the fact that meditation comprises a heterogeneous group of practices. Key future challenges include the isolation of a potential common element in the different meditation modalities, replication of existing findings in larger randomized trials, determining the correct "dose," studying whether findings from expert practitioners are generalizable to a wider population, and better control of the confounding genetic, dietary and lifestyle influences."
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov...

Is this the world's happiest man? Brain scans reveal French monk has 'abnormally large capacity' for joy - thanks to meditation
Brain scans reveal Buddhist monk Matthieu Ricard has largest capacity for happiness ever recorded
Meditation 'completely changes your brain and therefore changes what you are', says 66-year-old
He says you can do it too by learning how to let your thoughts drift

http://www.dailymail.co.uk...

" Meditation can beneficially change the inner workings and circuitry of the brain, better known as "Neuroplasticity".
" The happier parts of the brain (prefrontal cortex) were far more active.
" Their brains tend to "re-organize", which means they feel a sense of "oneness" with the world around them.
" The brainwave patterns of the Buddhist monks were far more powerful, implying a higher level of external & internal thought.
" Their brains had enhanced focus, memory, learning, consciousness, and "neural coordination".
" The monks had no anxiety, depression, addiction or anything of the sort.
" And this is just the tip of the iceberg, the benefits of meditation are limitless"

In short, the Buddhist monks brains were physically and functionally superior than those without meditation experience. Researchers believe that meditation changes the brain in the same way exercise changes the body.

I am a Vedantist raised in the Vedantic tradition. Learn about other Vedantists.

Quantum Physics came from the Vedas: Schr"dinger, Einstein and Tesla were all Vedantists.
http://www.krishnapath.org...
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5/5/2015 7:48:03 AM
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At 5/5/2015 6:34:16 AM, EtrnlVw wrote:
At 5/5/2015 3:24:47 AM, celestialtorahteacher wrote:
Hinduism fell for the Eastern religions desire to stop cognitive thought by using extreme meditation to severely alter the normal human brain functioning. Since Buddhism was the farthest along in this effort it was by science studies of the brains of meditating Buddhist monks that revealed the severe brain alteration going on as Buddhist monks sought satori and "enlightenment" which turns out to be shutting down the brain's sense of self center, i.e. a physical trick not unlike using drugs to tranquilize psychic pain away. This exposure of the one trick Buddha Mind pony ride of Buddhism and by extension all Eastern religions aimed at ego reduction or elimination, eliminates any spiritual or intellectual authority. And this is wisdom as we in the West can see that for all the thousands of years Eastern religions have existed still the countries practicing them are backward and keeping their populations in harm's way, e.g. Nepal right now unable to deal with major emergency, e.g. Tibet unable to deal with Communist China, e.g. India, unable to deal with her immense population overload and lack of infra-structure to support it.

This atheist Hindu still is stuck in the atheists no-nothing land as despite his Hindu claims of "philosophy" he doesn't know a blessed thing about spiritual consciousness of God. And like egotistical atheists everywhere, he mistakes his lack of spiritual experience as if ignorance of your subject matter were something to be proud of.

LOL "atheist Hindu" sounds like an oxymoron but I think you nailed it.

A clear display of dumb and dumber.
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5/5/2015 1:01:31 PM
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Harikrish, you can quack and quack about how awful Christianity is but the bottom line is God is helping the Christian Western countries while your Hindu Eastern religions countries are constantly facing crisis--because of poor social organization following bad religious ideologies. And it starts with brain manipulation being mistaken for "higher consciousness" and even "enlightenment" when all it ever was was using meditation instead of drugs to tranquilize the human brain. You may think shutting down a brain region is worth getting high but I don't--what I can see is Eastern nations spending inordinant amounts of time and energy trying to avoid thinking rationally about social problems, trying to avoid thinking altogether--again, in order to get high. Self-realization is a fraudulent ideology and a very selfish one as look at all that immense Eastern religious effort to stop thinking and what it's done to the countries that promote this religious b.s. Oh sure, just like yoga is excellent for exercise so to will be your mind numbing ideology to relieve stress, but just like we Westerners don't pay any attention to Yoga theology but use the physical exercise that's what will be useful in Hinduism/Buddhism. But not the religious extremism that to me cripples the mind, dulls it with endless meditation noise.

And again, you atheists always single out only one type of Christianity to attack which isn't mine. We Gnostic Christians who follow the Solitary Path have no dog in the Pauline Christian religious dog fight so all your digs at the Bible verses are meaningless twaddle as we never did think highly of Bible ideas or even the Bible god, the Fraud of Israel. But you don't know Gnostic Christian history as most atheists don't , thinking their debunking Bible beliefs covers the gamut of Christian theology. It doesn't. Celestial Torah Christianity rides above all the earthly religions of man to maintain the Humanitarian Archetype as universal model for all humanity.
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5/5/2015 2:10:50 PM
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At 5/5/2015 1:01:31 PM, celestialtorahteacher wrote:
Harikrish, you can quack and quack about how awful Christianity is but the bottom line is God is helping the Christian Western countries while your Hindu Eastern religions countries are constantly facing crisis--because of poor social organization following bad religious ideologies. And it starts with brain manipulation being mistaken for "higher consciousness" and even "enlightenment" when all it ever was was using meditation instead of drugs to tranquilize the human brain. You may think shutting down a brain region is worth getting high but I don't--what I can see is Eastern nations spending inordinant amounts of time and energy trying to avoid thinking rationally about social problems, trying to avoid thinking altogether--again, in order to get high. Self-realization is a fraudulent ideology and a very selfish one as look at all that immense Eastern religious effort to stop thinking and what it's done to the countries that promote this religious b.s. Oh sure, just like yoga is excellent for exercise so to will be your mind numbing ideology to relieve stress, but just like we Westerners don't pay any attention to Yoga theology but use the physical exercise that's what will be useful in Hinduism/Buddhism. But not the religious extremism that to me cripples the mind, dulls it with endless meditation noise.

And again, you atheists always single out only one type of Christianity to attack which isn't mine. We Gnostic Christians who follow the Solitary Path have no dog in the Pauline Christian religious dog fight so all your digs at the Bible verses are meaningless twaddle as we never did think highly of Bible ideas or even the Bible god, the Fraud of Israel. But you don't know Gnostic Christian history as most atheists don't , thinking their debunking Bible beliefs covers the gamut of Christian theology. It doesn't. Celestial Torah Christianity rides above all the earthly religions of man to maintain the Humanitarian Archetype as universal model for all humanity.

Socio-economic or countries fortunes are cyclical. India and China were considered advanced civilizations when Europeans were still running around wrapped in animal skins plundering and looting their neighbours.
Today America is running a 20 trillion deficit while most Europeans countries are facing austerity and stagnant grown. Whereas India and China are showing above 7% annual GDP growth.

Gnostic Christians was not a viable religion and lost out to mainstream Christianity. There is little to gain from litigating the past. You lost and they won.

Western countries can never attain the level of spirituality found in India because Western countries are culturally shaped by materialistic determination. And human culture influences our genes. So much as the West would love to be more spiritual, they are limited by their genes. Even their diets haven changed much from other meat eating animals a crude reminder of evolutionary survival throwbacks.
India's spiritual quest began 6000 years ago beginning with the Vedas. Western religions were influenced by pre and post pagan Rome culminating in The Roman Catholic Church. Christianity is seeped in religious dogma and indoctrination which are hardly conducive to spirituality.
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5/5/2015 6:01:57 PM
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At 5/4/2015 1:34:07 PM, Harikrish wrote:

Hinduism is the pursuit of spirituality and not bound by religious dogma. It is therefore transcendental not paradoxical like Christianity.

Dogma: "Theology, A doctrine or system of doctrines proclaimed true by a religious sect."

Doctrine: "Something that is taught."

Is it not the teaching of the Hindu religion, that their triad god is, first of all, Brahman the invisible, who is the essential divine reality of the universe, the eternal spirit from which all being originates and to which all being must return at the close of each period of universal activity, with Vishnu the saviour, who evolves within each physical manifestation of Brahman, and Shiva the destroyer, who is represented as a serpent?

Does not you religion teach that at the close of this period of universal activity, that it is Krishna, the eighth manifestation of Vishnu, who enters into the invisible Brahman as the supreme Personality of Godhead to have evolved within the eternal evolving Brahman?

Is it not the teaching of your religion, that the end of this age will occur when Kalkin appears at the close of the fourth or Kali age, when the world has become wholly depraved, for the final destruction of the wicked; for the re-establishment of righteousness upon the earth, and the renovation of all creation with a return to a new age of purity (Satya-yuga). It is believed that it is then Vishnu will be revealed in the sky, seated on a white horse, with a drawn sword in his hand, blazing like a comet, as revealed in Mon Williams, Indian wisdom. p. 335?
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5/5/2015 6:32:42 PM
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Continued from post #10.

I googled this up for you harikrish, perhaps you might care to learn some of the dogma of your chosen religion.

Kalkin (meaning "eternity" or "time"; also rendered as Kalki or Kalika) is the tenth and final Avatar of the Hindu God Vishnu. According to Hinduism, Kalkin's arrival on earth will mark the end the current epoch, the Kali Yuga, the fourth and final stage in the history of the universe. The origins of the name probably lie in the word Kalka which refers to "dirt," "filth" or "foulness" and hence denotes the idea that Kalkin is the "Destroyer of the Foulness and Ignorance" that characterizes the Kali Yuga. Kalki is also referred to as "the white horse," and is commonly depicted as a scimitar-wielding Vishnu mounted upon such an animal. In Hindi, kal ki avatar means "tomorrow's avatar."

Scholars have noted a striking similarity between the eschatological imagery associated with the Hindu avatar Kalkin and the apocalyptic return of Jesus depicted in the Book of Revelation. It is possible that, historically, Hindu descriptions of a future savior figure had an influence on Christian views of the apocalypse, or vice-versa.

It is also possible that the source of revelation and inspiration that informs spiritual seers and visionaries is One. (The one God inspired all spiritually inclined people to record the future which were recorded according to the different cultures in which they lived.)my interpolation.

"Kalki" is also an important term in the Buddhist tradition of Kalachakra, where it is related to many prophesied enlightened rulers.

In Sanskrit, avatara means "descent" of God into physical form. The term is most ubiquitously related to Lord Vishnu, the sustainer of life in the Hindu trinity. Vishnu is commonly said to have had ten incarnations, or dasavatara: 1) Matsya, a fish; 2) Kurma, a turtle; 3) Varaha, a boar; 4) Narasingha, a lion-man; 5) Vamana, a dwarf; 6) Parasu Rama, Rama with an axe; 7) Rama, a noble man; 8) Krishna, the teacher of the Bhagavadgita; 9) Buddha, a spiritually enlightened being; and finally 10) Kalkin, the final avatar. Kalkin is the only one of the avatars who has not yet arrived, and thus his appearance on earth is highly anticipated by Vaishnavites, followers of Vishnu, as well as Hindus as a whole.

The popular image of the Kalkin Avatar is that of a rider upon a white horse, which some sources name as Devadatta (God-given). The horse itself is interpreted as symbolizing strength, while its color white represents the power of unity, as white unifies all colours in the spectrum. Commonly, the horse is described as having wings. Kalki himself will be one with the divine, and is also mysteriously described as being a "yantra-manava," or a machine-man. (Perhaps 'AI' artificial intelligence born of mankind=Son of Man) my interpolation.

He brandishes a flaming comet-like sword, which is sometimes interpreted as a symbol for "discernment," or Wisdom, in that it slices away the bonds of lies and foulness, and liberates souls by sharpening their awareness of truth and beauty.

Due to Kalkin's pending arrival, he is naturally the most mysterious of the avatars. As is the case with the prophecies of many traditions, there are diverse beliefs and depictions within Hinduism as to when, how, where and why Kalkin will appear. Most common accounts declare Kalkin will arrive on earth intent on eradicating the reign of evil. His first action will be to vanquish the demon Kali (not to be confused with the Hindu Goddess Kali), who has taken the earth under his control, thereby freeing its citizens from moral and spiritual devolution. Kalkin will then reconcile all opposites, and renew the processes of the Dharma (Paths of Virtue) and Creation. Ultimately, he will establishing a reign of righteousness upon the earth, ushering in a golden age of peace and harmony, and thereby setting in motion the next cycle of the universe.
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5/6/2015 7:35:49 AM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 5/5/2015 6:32:42 PM, Gentorev wrote:
Continued from post #10.

I googled this up for you harikrish, perhaps you might care to learn some of the dogma of your chosen religion.

Kalkin (meaning "eternity" or "time"; also rendered as Kalki or Kalika) is the tenth and final Avatar of the Hindu God Vishnu. According to Hinduism, Kalkin's arrival on earth will mark the end the current epoch, the Kali Yuga, the fourth and final stage in the history of the universe. The origins of the name probably lie in the word Kalka which refers to "dirt," "filth" or "foulness" and hence denotes the idea that Kalkin is the "Destroyer of the Foulness and Ignorance" that characterizes the Kali Yuga. Kalki is also referred to as "the white horse," and is commonly depicted as a scimitar-wielding Vishnu mounted upon such an animal. In Hindi, kal ki avatar means "tomorrow's avatar."

Scholars have noted a striking similarity between the eschatological imagery associated with the Hindu avatar Kalkin and the apocalyptic return of Jesus depicted in the Book of Revelation. It is possible that, historically, Hindu descriptions of a future savior figure had an influence on Christian views of the apocalypse, or vice-versa.

It is also possible that the source of revelation and inspiration that informs spiritual seers and visionaries is One. (The one God inspired all spiritually inclined people to record the future which were recorded according to the different cultures in which they lived.)my interpolation.

"Kalki" is also an important term in the Buddhist tradition of Kalachakra, where it is related to many prophesied enlightened rulers.

In Sanskrit, avatara means "descent" of God into physical form. The term is most ubiquitously related to Lord Vishnu, the sustainer of life in the Hindu trinity. Vishnu is commonly said to have had ten incarnations, or dasavatara: 1) Matsya, a fish; 2) Kurma, a turtle; 3) Varaha, a boar; 4) Narasingha, a lion-man; 5) Vamana, a dwarf; 6) Parasu Rama, Rama with an axe; 7) Rama, a noble man; 8) Krishna, the teacher of the Bhagavadgita; 9) Buddha, a spiritually enlightened being; and finally 10) Kalkin, the final avatar. Kalkin is the only one of the avatars who has not yet arrived, and thus his appearance on earth is highly anticipated by Vaishnavites, followers of Vishnu, as well as Hindus as a whole.

The popular image of the Kalkin Avatar is that of a rider upon a white horse, which some sources name as Devadatta (God-given). The horse itself is interpreted as symbolizing strength, while its color white represents the power of unity, as white unifies all colours in the spectrum. Commonly, the horse is described as having wings. Kalki himself will be one with the divine, and is also mysteriously described as being a "yantra-manava," or a machine-man. (Perhaps 'AI' artificial intelligence born of mankind=Son of Man) my interpolation.

He brandishes a flaming comet-like sword, which is sometimes interpreted as a symbol for "discernment," or Wisdom, in that it slices away the bonds of lies and foulness, and liberates souls by sharpening their awareness of truth and beauty.

Due to Kalkin's pending arrival, he is naturally the most mysterious of the avatars. As is the case with the prophecies of many traditions, there are diverse beliefs and depictions within Hinduism as to when, how, where and why Kalkin will appear. Most common accounts declare Kalkin will arrive on earth intent on eradicating the reign of evil. His first action will be to vanquish the demon Kali (not to be confused with the Hindu Goddess Kali), who has taken the earth under his control, thereby freeing its citizens from moral and spiritual devolution. Kalkin will then reconcile all opposites, and renew the processes of the Dharma (Paths of Virtue) and Creation. Ultimately, he will establishing a reign of righteousness upon the earth, ushering in a golden age of peace and harmony, and thereby setting in motion the next cycle of the universe.

One can easily recognize the apocalyptic visions in the Bible were borrowed from Hinduism. Hinduism being an older religion set the standards. Many of Jesus's rituals and the golden rule was borrowed from Buddha who preceded Jesus by some 500 years.
There is a lot of artistry in Hinduism and the deity has many manifestations. But the goal of Hinduism is not one but 4 purposes.
The Four Goals of Hindu Life: Kama, Artha, Dharma & Moksha

http://www.uwyo.edu...

It is the personal accountability , pure living and the appreciation of knowledge (enlightenment) with the ultimate aim of transcending the physical boundaries of our existence that sets apart Hinduism from Christianity.

Christian Paradox explained:

Christianity is about proselytizing and subservience to a egotistical God who constantly interjects Himself in the affairs of men seeking attention, praise and exaltation. A God who feels threatened by His own creation and disapproves mans quest for knowledge or higher aspirations and constantly puts obstacles in his way.
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5/6/2015 8:40:59 AM
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Proof is in the pudding as they say..One just has to look at all of India's social problems to see that "wisdom" isn't being taught in Hinduism, unless "wisdom" means teaching people how not to deal rationally with social reality. Perhaps if Easterners hadn't been sold a Brooklyn Bridge of religious mumbo-jumbo ideology and stuck to lines of prophets instead of lines in ancient books repeating the same message--don't think! It's bad for you! Leads to possessiveness and that leads to suffering. So, don't think. And thus the East must be rescued by the West taught by the line of prophets to Think about society's ills and do something about them.
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5/6/2015 8:54:35 AM
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Gnosis of God is eternal and can't ever be killed off. It always appears somewhere as human beings are universally inquisitive and that means there's always a percentage who need to learn about things--and will learn one way or another. And that includes learning about Knowledge of God. It isn't just reading books for Gnosis because Gnosis involves spiritual contact, "inspiration" that propels one to seek further information in order to learn new spiritual knowledge. Without the Spirit first making contact seeking knowledge is a science, not gnosis, although both mean "knowledge".

As I point out (a lot because atheists never want to learn this) atheists single out for attack on Christianity the least able to intellectually defend themselves, Evangelical Christians, who belief system rests irrationally on accepting a Story written by unknown authors at unknown dates as "Word of God" and not to be questioned. Not to be thought about asking basic questions like Why would anyone believe this stuff was real anymore than Peter Pan? I mean doesn't Tinkerbell get resurrected from the dead by the Lost Children believing with all their hearts and minds fairies are real? What's the difference between believing in a Tinkerbell belief system and traditional Pauline Christianity? I'm a modern Gnostic and teach Celestial Torah Christianity because the Bible is only good for its embedded Celestial Torah information that carries the evolving Humanitarian Archetype in the Messiah Message.
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5/6/2015 9:20:06 AM
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At 5/6/2015 8:40:59 AM, celestialtorahteacher wrote:
Proof is in the pudding as they say..One just has to look at all of India's social problems to see that "wisdom" isn't being taught in Hinduism, unless "wisdom" means teaching people how not to deal rationally with social reality. Perhaps if Easterners hadn't been sold a Brooklyn Bridge of religious mumbo-jumbo ideology and stuck to lines of prophets instead of lines in ancient books repeating the same message--don't think! It's bad for you! Leads to possessiveness and that leads to suffering. So, don't think. And thus the East must be rescued by the West taught by the line of prophets to Think about society's ills and do something about them.
You confuse material success with civilization. America might be materially successful but it has waged more wars than any other country in the world. It also spends more money on the military than all the developed countries combined. Material success has not produced a civilized America. America is still stuck in the dark ages where war was an invention of ignorant minds.
A culture of materialistic determination is not conducive to spirituality. The western world only pays lip service to religion. Religion is used as a political ploy to exploit the misguided ignorant simple minded average folks who have not advance beyond their nearest church. No wonder most Americans cannot even point on a map the countries they are attacking or at war with.
Promoting as art caricatures of religious figures is hardly an exercise in spirituality.
And the Israelites aren't that much better. They invented the God of the bible. But when it came to following Him they crucified His messenger.
The bible is a history of the Jewish people's struggle with their God. And Gods endless disappointment with His ungodly flock whom he repeatedly punished and tried to destroy.
Hinduism cannot be shamed by those who never understood spirituality especially when all they ever produced was religious dogma and indoctrination.
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5/6/2015 8:46:51 PM
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So backward societies unable to house or feed its people or care for them when they are ill is "civilization" to you? All that misery and death is a good thing to you because we in the West are so materialistic. I don't think any of the immigrants coming to America would agree with you as you can't see religious ideology in India as a problem. You are blind to Hinduism's actual inability to deal with social problems because of wrong teachings. The proof is in the pudding and historical facts. Not your religious propaganda of the jealous deceived believer in gurus without wisdom to help their societies.
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5/6/2015 8:55:26 PM
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At 5/6/2015 9:20:06 AM, Harikrish wrote:
At 5/6/2015 8:40:59 AM, celestialtorahteacher wrote:
Proof is in the pudding as they say..One just has to look at all of India's social problems to see that "wisdom" isn't being taught in Hinduism, unless "wisdom" means teaching people how not to deal rationally with social reality. Perhaps if Easterners hadn't been sold a Brooklyn Bridge of religious mumbo-jumbo ideology and stuck to lines of prophets instead of lines in ancient books repeating the same message--don't think! It's bad for you! Leads to possessiveness and that leads to suffering. So, don't think. And thus the East must be rescued by the West taught by the line of prophets to Think about society's ills and do something about them.
You confuse material success with civilization. America might be materially successful but it has waged more wars than any other country in the world. It also spends more money on the military than all the developed countries combined. Material success has not produced a civilized America. America is still stuck in the dark ages where war was an invention of ignorant minds.
A culture of materialistic determination is not conducive to spirituality. The western world only pays lip service to religion. Religion is used as a political ploy to exploit the misguided ignorant simple minded average folks who have not advance beyond their nearest church. No wonder most Americans cannot even point on a map the countries they are attacking or at war with.
Promoting as art caricatures of religious figures is hardly an exercise in spirituality.
And the Israelites aren't that much better. They invented the God of the bible. But when it came to following Him they crucified His messenger.
The bible is a history of the Jewish people's struggle with their God. And Gods endless disappointment with His ungodly flock whom he repeatedly punished and tried to destroy. ity?
Hinduism cannot be shamed by those who never understood spirituality especially when all they ever produced was religious dogma and indoctrination.

Do you believe in the Hindu trinity? Do you believe that the creation story in the bible where it speaks of the different generations of the universe, preceded the Hindu belief of an eternal oscillating universe? Do you believe that all being originated with your God and all must return to him at the close of each cycle of universal activity?
Do you believe that God is calling all creation back to himself, after which he will create for us a new Heavens and a new earth?

If so, then you believe in the one God, of whose knowledge is hard wired in each and every human being, if they could but hear it.
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5/7/2015 8:10:22 AM
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At 5/6/2015 8:46:51 PM, celestialtorahteacher wrote:
So backward societies unable to house or feed its people or care for them when they are ill is "civilization" to you? All that misery and death is a good thing to you because we in the West are so materialistic. I don't think any of the immigrants coming to America would agree with you as you can't see religious ideology in India as a problem. You are blind to Hinduism's actual inability to deal with social problems because of wrong teachings. The proof is in the pudding and historical facts. Not your religious propaganda of the jealous deceived believer in gurus without wisdom to help their societies.

If you knew the history of India there would be little to snigger about. India was a peaceful country and an advanced civilization when Europeans were still running around in animal skins. India was invaded by the Aryans, Romans, Moguls and the British. The list included attacks by China and Pakistan. If not for these foreign invasions and their exploitation India would still be the jewel of the East. Despite these setbacks Indians have preserved their integrity, culture, traditions and spirituality .

Quantum Physics came from the Vedas: Schr"dinger, Einstein and Tesla were all Vedantists.
http://www.krishnapath.org...

Indian immigrants are coming to America because they are highly qualified, highly educated and their exceptional IT skills are in great demand. Unlike other immigrants Indians are placed in the top tiers and employed in top positions in some of the best companies in America. Call it good karma.
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5/7/2015 2:28:58 PM
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At 5/5/2015 2:10:50 PM, Harikrish wrote:
At 5/5/2015 1:01:31 PM, celestialtorahteacher wrote:
Harikrish, you can quack and quack about how awful Christianity is but the bottom line is God is helping the Christian Western countries while your Hindu Eastern religions countries are constantly facing crisis--because of poor social organization following bad religious ideologies. And it starts with brain manipulation being mistaken for "higher consciousness" and even "enlightenment" when all it ever was was using meditation instead of drugs to tranquilize the human brain. You may think shutting down a brain region is worth getting high but I don't--what I can see is Eastern nations spending inordinant amounts of time and energy trying to avoid thinking rationally about social problems, trying to avoid thinking altogether--again, in order to get high. Self-realization is a fraudulent ideology and a very selfish one as look at all that immense Eastern religious effort to stop thinking and what it's done to the countries that promote this religious b.s. Oh sure, just like yoga is excellent for exercise so to will be your mind numbing ideology to relieve stress, but just like we Westerners don't pay any attention to Yoga theology but use the physical exercise that's what will be useful in Hinduism/Buddhism. But not the religious extremism that to me cripples the mind, dulls it with endless meditation noise.

And again, you atheists always single out only one type of Christianity to attack which isn't mine. We Gnostic Christians who follow the Solitary Path have no dog in the Pauline Christian religious dog fight so all your digs at the Bible verses are meaningless twaddle as we never did think highly of Bible ideas or even the Bible god, the Fraud of Israel. But you don't know Gnostic Christian history as most atheists don't , thinking their debunking Bible beliefs covers the gamut of Christian theology. It doesn't. Celestial Torah Christianity rides above all the earthly religions of man to maintain the Humanitarian Archetype as universal model for all humanity.

Socio-economic or countries fortunes are cyclical. India and China were considered advanced civilizations when Europeans were still running around wrapped in animal skins plundering and looting their neighbours.
Today America is running a 20 trillion deficit while most Europeans countries are facing austerity and stagnant grown. Whereas India and China are showing above 7% annual GDP growth.

Gnostic Christians was not a viable religion and lost out to mainstream Christianity. There is little to gain from litigating the past. You lost and they won.

Western countries can never attain the level of spirituality found in India because Western countries are culturally shaped by materialistic determination. And human culture influences our genes. So much as the West would love to be more spiritual, they are limited by their genes. Even their diets haven changed much from other meat eating animals a crude reminder of evolutionary survival throwbacks.
India's spiritual quest began 6000 years ago beginning with the Vedas. Western religions were influenced by pre and post pagan Rome culminating in The Roman Catholic Church. Christianity is seeped in religious dogma and indoctrination which are hardly conducive to spirituality.

LOL, you've spent too much time pestering BoG and Mad when they are admittedly not Christian so they are not a part of your regular lashings of Christian folk, they are another breed altogether.
A large number of pew warming goofs make up the western world so what? Christianity is among the largest religions worldwide and the world is full of goofs but you need to look in your own back yard, you're not exempt from the category of religious freaks so don't think you can hide behind your mockery of Christianity. There is more spirituality in the finger tip of Jesus then you possess in your entire being lol so how ironic you accuse him of having mental illness.

Not much different than BoG, you spend all your time posting against Christianity and offer little insight into your own religion while you chummy up with the atheists. Degrading other religious beliefs is useless talk, nothing valuable or spiritual is gained.
What do you know about spirituality is the question, I know a spiritual man when I meet one and so far I'm not seeing the traits. Spiritual men don't point at the herd or make stupid assertions like the ones above.

I don't eat meat, I don't give a crap what my parents ate the human body and mind CAN be restored. If you understand what a raw diet and good fruit can accomplish and possess a healthy understanding of the lymphatic system and the rejuvenation of cells you have the world at your fingertips. A healthy body promotes a healthy mind which promotes more awareness, this subject is invaluable and good we need more knowledge spread in this area without a doubt but not all of us are ignorant about these things.
I was born spiritual, I think spiritual I live spiritual there was never a time in my life when I thought materialistic, not even slightly. IMO you should focus on your spirituality and bringing more awareness to others as they may be trapped in a material cycle rather than wasting energy trashing Christianity and chasing nut balls. I don't see any compassion, I don't see the spiritual mind set in this.
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5/7/2015 3:12:25 PM
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At 5/7/2015 2:28:58 PM, EtrnlVw wrote:
At 5/5/2015 2:10:50 PM, Harikrish wrote:
At 5/5/2015 1:01:31 PM, celestialtorahteacher wrote:
Harikrish, you can quack and quack about how awful Christianity is but the bottom line is God is helping the Christian Western countries while your Hindu Eastern religions countries are constantly facing crisis--because of poor social organization following bad religious ideologies. And it starts with brain manipulation being mistaken for "higher consciousness" and even "enlightenment" when all it ever was was using meditation instead of drugs to tranquilize the human brain. You may think shutting down a brain region is worth getting high but I don't--what I can see is Eastern nations spending inordinant amounts of time and energy trying to avoid thinking rationally about social problems, trying to avoid thinking altogether--again, in order to get high. Self-realization is a fraudulent ideology and a very selfish one as look at all that immense Eastern religious effort to stop thinking and what it's done to the countries that promote this religious b.s. Oh sure, just like yoga is excellent for exercise so to will be your mind numbing ideology to relieve stress, but just like we Westerners don't pay any attention to Yoga theology but use the physical exercise that's what will be useful in Hinduism/Buddhism. But not the religious extremism that to me cripples the mind, dulls it with endless meditation noise.

And again, you atheists always single out only one type of Christianity to attack which isn't mine. We Gnostic Christians who follow the Solitary Path have no dog in the Pauline Christian religious dog fight so all your digs at the Bible verses are meaningless twaddle as we never did think highly of Bible ideas or even the Bible god, the Fraud of Israel. But you don't know Gnostic Christian history as most atheists don't , thinking their debunking Bible beliefs covers the gamut of Christian theology. It doesn't. Celestial Torah Christianity rides above all the earthly religions of man to maintain the Humanitarian Archetype as universal model for all humanity.

Socio-economic or countries fortunes are cyclical. India and China were considered advanced civilizations when Europeans were still running around wrapped in animal skins plundering and looting their neighbours.
Today America is running a 20 trillion deficit while most Europeans countries are facing austerity and stagnant grown. Whereas India and China are showing above 7% annual GDP growth.

Gnostic Christians was not a viable religion and lost out to mainstream Christianity. There is little to gain from litigating the past. You lost and they won.

Western countries can never attain the level of spirituality found in India because Western countries are culturally shaped by materialistic determination. And human culture influences our genes. So much as the West would love to be more spiritual, they are limited by their genes. Even their diets haven changed much from other meat eating animals a crude reminder of evolutionary survival throwbacks.
India's spiritual quest began 6000 years ago beginning with the Vedas. Western religions were influenced by pre and post pagan Rome culminating in The Roman Catholic Church. Christianity is seeped in religious dogma and indoctrination which are hardly conducive to spirituality.

LOL, you've spent too much time pestering BoG and Mad when they are admittedly not Christian so they are not a part of your regular lashings of Christian folk, they are another breed altogether.
A large number of pew warming goofs make up the western world so what? Christianity is among the largest religions worldwide and the world is full of goofs but you need to look in your own back yard, you're not exempt from the category of religious freaks so don't think you can hide behind your mockery of Christianity. There is more spirituality in the finger tip of Jesus then you possess in your entire being lol so how ironic you accuse him of having mental illness.

Not much different than BoG, you spend all your time posting against Christianity and offer little insight into your own religion while you chummy up with the atheists. Degrading other religious beliefs is useless talk, nothing valuable or spiritual is gained.
What do you know about spirituality is the question, I know a spiritual man when I meet one and so far I'm not seeing the traits. Spiritual men don't point at the herd or make stupid assertions like the ones above.

I don't eat meat, I don't give a crap what my parents ate the human body and mind CAN be restored. If you understand what a raw diet and good fruit can accomplish and possess a healthy understanding of the lymphatic system and the rejuvenation of cells you have the world at your fingertips. A healthy body promotes a healthy mind which promotes more awareness, this subject is invaluable and good we need more knowledge spread in this area without a doubt but not all of us are ignorant about these things.
I was born spiritual, I think spiritual I live spiritual there was never a time in my life when I thought materialistic, not even slightly. IMO you should focus on your spirituality and bringing more awareness to others as they may be trapped in a material cycle rather than wasting energy trashing Christianity and chasing nut balls. I don't see any compassion, I don't see the spiritual mind set in this.

If you think eating meat is bad try this diet for eternal life. Note, this was not a parable. Jesus used the word 'real' to describe his flesh and blood.

John 6: 53 Jesus said to them, "Very truly I tell you, unless you eat the flesh of the Son of Man and drink his blood, you have no life in you.
54 Whoever eats my flesh and drinks my blood has eternal life, and I will raise them up at the last day.
55 For my flesh is real food and my blood is real drink.
56 Whoever eats my flesh and drinks my blood remains in me, and I in them.
57 Just as the living Father sent me and I live because of the Father, so the one who feeds on me will live because of me.
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5/7/2015 5:39:56 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 5/7/2015 8:10:22 AM, Harikrish wrote:
At 5/6/2015 8:46:51 PM, celestialtorahteacher wrote:
So backward societies unable to house or feed its people or care for them when they are ill is "civilization" to you? All that misery and death is a good thing to you because we in the West are so materialistic. I don't think any of the immigrants coming to America would agree with you as you can't see religious ideology in India as a problem. You are blind to Hinduism's actual inability to deal with social problems because of wrong teachings. The proof is in the pudding and historical facts. Not your religious propaganda of the jealous deceived believer in gurus without wisdom to help their societies.

If you knew the history of India there would be little to snigger about. India was a peaceful country and an advanced civilization when Europeans were still running around in animal skins. India was invaded by the Aryans, Romans, Moguls and the British. The list included attacks by China and Pakistan. If not for these foreign invasions and their exploitation India would still be the jewel of the East. Despite these setbacks Indians have preserved their integrity, culture, traditions and spirituality .

Quantum Physics came from the Vedas: Schr"dinger, Einstein and Tesla were all Vedantists.
http://www.krishnapath.org...

Indian immigrants are coming to America because they are highly qualified, highly educated and their exceptional IT skills are in great demand. Unlike other immigrants Indians are placed in the top tiers and employed in top positions in some of the best companies in America. Call it good karma.

Oh quit your whining, hari, India can't deal with her problems and she's had thousands of years of to get her act together. The Christian West leads the world because Christianity faces social problems head on while Hinduism teaches running away from practical social living to retreat into self-realization which is code for just plain maximum attention to one's self vs. Christianity's reduction of ego by service to others. And you can cite all sorts of past accomplishments of India but the bottom line is its all in the past and do we still worship God through idols and all the fancy philosophies built around basic idol worship or have we moved on in the West and built better societies, ones able to come and rescue backward India by giving it practical lessons in how to pay attention to social problems.
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5/7/2015 7:52:14 PM
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At 5/7/2015 5:39:56 PM, celestialtorahteacher wrote:
At 5/7/2015 8:10:22 AM, Harikrish wrote:
At 5/6/2015 8:46:51 PM, celestialtorahteacher wrote:
So backward societies unable to house or feed its people or care for them when they are ill is "civilization" to you? All that misery and death is a good thing to you because we in the West are so materialistic. I don't think any of the immigrants coming to America would agree with you as you can't see religious ideology in India as a problem. You are blind to Hinduism's actual inability to deal with social problems because of wrong teachings. The proof is in the pudding and historical facts. Not your religious propaganda of the jealous deceived believer in gurus without wisdom to help their societies.

If you knew the history of India there would be little to snigger about. India was a peaceful country and an advanced civilization when Europeans were still running around in animal skins. India was invaded by the Aryans, Romans, Moguls and the British. The list included attacks by China and Pakistan. If not for these foreign invasions and their exploitation India would still be the jewel of the East. Despite these setbacks Indians have preserved their integrity, culture, traditions and spirituality .

Quantum Physics came from the Vedas: Schr"dinger, Einstein and Tesla were all Vedantists.
http://www.krishnapath.org...

Indian immigrants are coming to America because they are highly qualified, highly educated and their exceptional IT skills are in great demand. Unlike other immigrants Indians are placed in the top tiers and employed in top positions in some of the best companies in America. Call it good karma.

Oh quit your whining, hari, India can't deal with her problems and she's had thousands of years of to get her act together. The Christian West leads the world because Christianity faces social problems head on while Hinduism teaches running away from practical social living to retreat into self-realization which is code for just plain maximum attention to one's self vs. Christianity's reduction of ego by service to others. And you can cite all sorts of past accomplishments of India but the bottom line is its all in the past and do we still worship God through idols and all the fancy philosophies built around basic idol worship or have we moved on in the West and built better societies, ones able to come and rescue backward India by giving it practical lessons in how to pay attention to social problems.

You are behind the times. India is the second fastest growing economy only behind China. It is the worlds largest democracy. A nuclear power with an incredible space program. Lowest crime rate...etc..etc. Christianity cannot get a foothold in India because it lacks the sophistication and intellectual challenge offered by a highly developed esoteric transcendental worldview that has been the hallmark of Hinduism.
Whereas Americans are surrounded by immigrants of countries they once tried to destroy. I can sense the paranoia.
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5/7/2015 8:07:44 PM
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At 5/5/2015 3:24:47 AM, celestialtorahteacher wrote:
Hinduism fell for the Eastern religions desire to stop cognitive thought by using extreme meditation to severely alter the normal human brain functioning. Since Buddhism was the farthest along in this effort it was by science studies of the brains of meditating Buddhist monks that revealed the severe brain alteration going on as Buddhist monks sought satori and "enlightenment" which turns out to be shutting down the brain's sense of self center, i.e. a physical trick not unlike using drugs to tranquilize psychic pain away. This exposure of the one trick Buddha Mind pony ride of Buddhism and by extension all Eastern religions aimed at ego reduction or elimination, eliminates any spiritual or intellectual authority. And this is wisdom as we in the West can see that for all the thousands of years Eastern religions have existed still the countries practicing them are backward and keeping their populations in harm's way, e.g. Nepal right now unable to deal with major emergency, e.g. Tibet unable to deal with Communist China, e.g. India, unable to deal with her immense population overload and lack of infra-structure to support it.

This atheist Hindu still is stuck in the atheists no-nothing land as despite his Hindu claims of "philosophy" he doesn't know a blessed thing about spiritual consciousness of God. And like egotistical atheists everywhere, he mistakes his lack of spiritual experience as if ignorance of your subject matter were something to be proud of.

What absolute piffle!! You have no idea what you are talking about, let alone what an atheist understands. I love it when believers make ad hominem associations like "egotistical" or "arrogance" toward atheists. It is the only response they can muster as an excuse for having no evidence to our assertions about the bible, christianity and all other dogmatic religions.

"Spiritual consciousness of god"?? Wow, aren't you lucky? Why don't you indulge me and tell me to which God's consciousness you are blessed?
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5/7/2015 9:59:45 PM
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One that you as an atheist egotist are not blessed with but nonetheless like all atheist egotists, think your complete lack of spiritual consciousness allows you to give opinions about spiritual consciousness. Until atheists understand that without spiritual consciousness experience atheists are only mouthing off their ignorance of the subject matter they so very much want to tell believers about. I call you egotists because you are, and I'm far from the first person to notice this, even Einstein had no use for atheists for the same reasons. One can tell atheists are egotists by the fact they are posting all over theist discussions, especially Christianity ones, even though they don't know a blessed thing about spiritual consciousness. Sorry, but only agnosticism is a valid philosophy of inquiry. Atheism has made up its mind on too little data and high prejudice about existing data that is refused recognition, like the God Gene, like physical manifestations of spiritual experience and events, like the logic of history destroying atheist ideas that atheism is a permanent phenomena. We don't see agnostics posting religiously like atheists do because agnostics don't have an ego to defend and a bad philosophy that doesn't fit the facts of immense amounts of spiritual consciousness in the vast majority of human societies, now, in the past, and in the future.
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5/8/2015 8:33:28 AM
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At 5/7/2015 9:59:45 PM, celestialtorahteacher wrote:
One that you as an atheist egotist are not blessed with but nonetheless like all atheist egotists, think your complete lack of spiritual consciousness allows you to give opinions about spiritual consciousness. Until atheists understand that without spiritual consciousness experience atheists are only mouthing off their ignorance of the subject matter they so very much want to tell believers about. I call you egotists because you are, and I'm far from the first person to notice this, even Einstein had no use for atheists for the same reasons. One can tell atheists are egotists by the fact they are posting all over theist discussions, especially Christianity ones, even though they don't know a blessed thing about spiritual consciousness. Sorry, but only agnosticism is a valid philosophy of inquiry. Atheism has made up its mind on too little data and high prejudice about existing data that is refused recognition, like the God Gene, like physical manifestations of spiritual experience and events, like the logic of history destroying atheist ideas that atheism is a permanent phenomena. We don't see agnostics posting religiously like atheists do because agnostics don't have an ego to defend and a bad philosophy that doesn't fit the facts of immense amounts of spiritual consciousness in the vast majority of human societies, now, in the past, and in the future.

Everyone possesses consciousness. The question is does their consciousness transcend beyond their own ego to become spiritually conscious. That is only possible with effort. Vedantic teachings show the path to spiritual consciousness. Buddhism teaches the path to spiritual consciousness even in the absence of a deity.
Does Christianity teach the path to spiritual consciousness? Christianity stops at blind faith. "How much more blessed are those who have not seen and yet believe."
It teaches a dependence on God and the gift of salvation made possible by God"s human sacrifice of Jesus as the sacrificial lamb. That is not an introduction to spiritual consciousness It is a descent into primitive barbarism and a reliving of all the primordial fears of a Jungian archetype. It certainly is a Christian Paradox.
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5/16/2015 8:01:13 AM
Posted: 1 year ago
The Christian Paradox: How a Faithful Nation Gets Jesus Wrong
What it Means to be Christian in America. An excerpt
July 27, 2005 | Harper"s Magazine | Bill McKibben

Only 40 percent of Americans can name more than four of the Ten Commandments, and a scant half can cite any of the four authors of the Gospels. Twelve percent believe Joan of Arc was Noah"s wife. This failure to recall the specifics of our Christian heritage may be further evidence of our nation"s educational decline, but it probably doesn"t matter all that much in spiritual or political terms. Here is a statistic that does matter: Three quarters of Americans believe the Bible teaches that "God helps those who help themselves." That is, three out of four Americans believe that this uber-American idea, a notion at the core of our current individualist politics and culture, which was in fact uttered by Ben Franklin, actually appears in Holy Scripture. The thing is, not only is Franklin"s wisdom not biblical; it"s counter-biblical. Few ideas could be further from the gospel message, with its radical summons to love of neighbor. On this essential matter, most Americans"most American Christians"are simply wrong, as if 75 percent of American scientists believed that Newton proved gravity causes apples to fly up.

Asking Christians what Christ taught isn"t a trick. When we say we are a Christian nation"and, overwhelmingly, we do"it means something. People who go to church absorb lessons there and make real decisions based on those lessons; increasingly, these lessons inform their politics. [One poll found that 11 percent of U.S. churchgoers were urged by their clergy to vote in a particular way in the 2004 election, up from 6 percent in 2000.] When George Bush says that Jesus Christ is his favorite philosopher, he may or may not be sincere, but he is reflecting the sincere beliefs of the vast majority of Americans.

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