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Dogknox
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5/8/2015 12:19:34 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 5/8/2015 11:43:24 AM, Jedi4 wrote:
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Jedi4 Good to meet you..
The Scriptures are the words of God!
Men were INSPIRED by God, guided by the Holy Spirit to put "Ink to paper"!

BUT...
Jedi4 but there were many scripture Manuscripts kicking around that were NOT inspired documents! It got so that no one was sure what was truly inspired and what was not! For four hundred years it remained this way UNTIL..
Jedi4 Until the Holy Catholic Church put all the truly INSPIRED Manuscripts into one book, she named her book "The Bible"!

FACT: There is NO list of the inspired books found in the bible! You MUST believe the Holy Catholic Church got it right!
Jedi4 Toss your bible out your stinking window if you reject the authority of the Holy Catholic Church, how can you trust she got it right if your reject her authority

THINK: If God helped His Church, pick out of the many hundreds of NON inspired books, the truly inspired works.. Don't you think..
Jedi4 Don't you think; God the Holy Spirit would also not stick around and help her INTERPRET the same works!?

John 14:16
And I will ask the Father, and he will give you another advocate to help you and be with you forever"

Did you see it?? ... be with you forever

FOREVER WITH.. Means: The Church Jesus established did not fail!!
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5/8/2015 12:26:53 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 5/8/2015 12:19:34 PM, Dogknox wrote:
The Scriptures are the words of God!
Men were INSPIRED by God, guided by the Holy Spirit to put "Ink to paper"!

Sorry, but there is no evidence for that. In fact, it would appear more as if those men had serious mental disorders than anything else.
Marrying a 6 year old and waiting until she reaches puberty and maturity before having consensual sex is better than walking up to
a stranger in a bar and proceeding to have relations with no valid proof of the intent of the person. Muhammad wins. ~ Fatihah
If they don't want to be killed then they have to subdue to the Islamic laws. - Uncung
Without God, you are lower than sh!t. ~ SpiritandTruth
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5/8/2015 12:41:21 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
I know this means nothing to you, but at some point you have to understand how ridiculous that sounds from the outside. We could run through the same tired arguments again, but the simple point is - outside your belief structure that sounds like the biggest load of... rationalizing.
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5/8/2015 4:22:33 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 5/8/2015 12:26:53 PM, DanneJeRusse wrote:
At 5/8/2015 12:19:34 PM, Dogknox wrote:
The Scriptures are the words of God!
Men were INSPIRED by God, guided by the Holy Spirit to put "Ink to paper"!

Sorry, but there is no evidence for that. In fact, it would appear more as if those men had serious mental disorders than anything else.

DanneJeRusse Just your OPINION.... Is all!
No proof what so ever.
Be sides.... "Who are you"!!?
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5/8/2015 4:38:04 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 5/8/2015 12:41:21 PM, TBR wrote:
I know this means nothing to you, but at some point you have to understand how ridiculous that sounds from the outside. We could run through the same tired arguments again, but the simple point is - outside your belief structure that sounds like the biggest load of... rationalizing.

TBR There are OVER 1.2 BILLION Catholics that say "You are wrong"! Never mind there are about 450 Million other Christians that also would say "You are wrong!!!
Buddhists, Hindu Muslim who believe in God or gods of some kind!
Even the North American Indians had a "Great White Spirit"!
Never mind the FACT; Man has ALWAYS believed in a God, gods or some kind of higher being!
Even the Cave man believed in a god or gods!!
YOU....
TBR It is you, who stands out with the load of bull!

TBRBoy oh boy: Man kind is so lucky you came along when you did.. You have the truth and the whole world needs you to tell them they are wrong, to think there might be a god!! Never mind all of man in past ages has been wrong to think there is a higher being!!!!!

STOP....
Stop the presses: News Flash "TBR tells the whole world; They have been WRONG to think there might be a god; He has the TRUTH!"
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5/8/2015 5:13:11 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 5/8/2015 4:38:04 PM, Dogknox wrote:
At 5/8/2015 12:41:21 PM, TBR wrote:
I know this means nothing to you, but at some point you have to understand how ridiculous that sounds from the outside. We could run through the same tired arguments again, but the simple point is - outside your belief structure that sounds like the biggest load of... rationalizing.

TBR There are OVER 1.2 BILLION Catholics that say "You are wrong"! Never mind there are about 450 Million other Christians that also would say "You are wrong!!!
Buddhists, Hindu Muslim who believe in God or gods of some kind!
Even the North American Indians had a "Great White Spirit"!
Never mind the FACT; Man has ALWAYS believed in a God, gods or some kind of higher being!
Even the Cave man believed in a god or gods!!
YOU....
TBR It is you, who stands out with the load of bull!

TBRBoy oh boy: Man kind is so lucky you came along when you did.. You have the truth and the whole world needs you to tell them they are wrong, to think there might be a god!! Never mind all of man in past ages has been wrong to think there is a higher being!!!!!

STOP....
Stop the presses: News Flash "TBR tells the whole world; They have been WRONG to think there might be a god; He has the TRUTH!"
Your positively hyperventilating. What I said, what I am saying is, from the outside that all looks completely ridiculous. Similarly your rant looks ridiculous.
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5/8/2015 5:24:15 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
The book we have come to know as the Holy Bible is in fact comprised from hundreds of original writings and manuscripts; written by dozens of authors--some of whom are not even the persons the books are named after--over the span of a dozen centuries.

They were written mostly by a nomadic and oft-oppressed Bronze Age Hebrew peoples. Most of them illiterate, who were trying to convey their ideas on their God, whom they chose to call Yahweh. They deliberately chose a monotheistic sort of supernatural belief system in an attempt to directly clash with the multi-god. or poly-theistic, beliefs of their Roman oppressors.

The works were also written as a desperate attempt to preserve their culture and the beliefs, which were in grave danger of being eradicated due to their continual oppression and captivity.

For example: the Genesis myth was written around 6th Century BC while in Babylonian captivity. The whole "7 Day Creation" deal was an allegorical attempt to preserve the importance of the Sabbath, which they felt was being ignored while in captivity.

The Gospels, on the other hand, were written in the Jewish rabbinical literary style called "midrash" in which recent events were "tweaked" in regards to actual fact, so they would appear to be instead proof of earlier prophecy. (Google "midrash" if you wish to learn more).

The bible is a work of allegory and metaphor and poetry, and to read it as a history book is to miss the point. It actually possesses as much actual fact as does, say, a collection of Greek Mythology.

Makes sense, since it is basically Hebrew Mythology.

Although much of the Old testament is filled with some of the most violent and loathsome and immoral acts you will ever read, there IS some good teachings in the bible, but most of it are those of the itinerant and fully mortal carpenter who we know as Yeshua of Nazareth. He was also a political insurrectionist and rabble rouser, and was indeed finally killed by Roman authorities for this.

This is what I believe the Bible to be.

Thank you.
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5/8/2015 6:44:46 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 5/8/2015 4:22:33 PM, Dogknox wrote:
At 5/8/2015 12:26:53 PM, DanneJeRusse wrote:
At 5/8/2015 12:19:34 PM, Dogknox wrote:
The Scriptures are the words of God!
Men were INSPIRED by God, guided by the Holy Spirit to put "Ink to paper"!

Sorry, but there is no evidence for that. In fact, it would appear more as if those men had serious mental disorders than anything else.

DanneJeRusse Just your OPINION.... Is all!
No proof what so ever.

By today's standards of psychology, they were nutty as fruit cakes, totally bat sh1t crazy.

Be sides.... "Who are you"!!?
WHACK Whack whack.. OOOooh

How do these small children get on these sites?
Marrying a 6 year old and waiting until she reaches puberty and maturity before having consensual sex is better than walking up to
a stranger in a bar and proceeding to have relations with no valid proof of the intent of the person. Muhammad wins. ~ Fatihah
If they don't want to be killed then they have to subdue to the Islamic laws. - Uncung
Without God, you are lower than sh!t. ~ SpiritandTruth
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5/8/2015 6:51:54 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 5/8/2015 12:19:34 PM, Dogknox wrote:
At 5/8/2015 11:43:24 AM, Jedi4 wrote:
Banana penis



Jedi4 Good to meet you..
The Scriptures are the words of God!
Men were INSPIRED by God, guided by the Holy Spirit to put "Ink to paper"!

BUT...
Jedi4 but there were many scripture Manuscripts kicking around that were NOT inspired documents! It got so that no one was sure what was truly inspired and what was not! For four hundred years it remained this way UNTIL..
Jedi4 Until the Holy Catholic Church put all the truly INSPIRED Manuscripts into one book, she named her book "The Bible"!

FACT: There is NO list of the inspired books found in the bible! You MUST believe the Holy Catholic Church got it right!
Jedi4 Toss your bible out your stinking window if you reject the authority of the Holy Catholic Church, how can you trust she got it right if your reject her authority

THINK: If God helped His Church, pick out of the many hundreds of NON inspired books, the truly inspired works.. Don't you think..
Jedi4 Don't you think; God the Holy Spirit would also not stick around and help her INTERPRET the same works!?

John 14:16
And I will ask the Father, and he will give you another advocate to help you and be with you forever"

Did you see it?? ... be with you forever

FOREVER WITH.. Means: The Church Jesus established did not fail!!

The apostolic church of Christ that was established some three hundred years before Emperor Constantine founded his universal church on the seven hills of Rome, has never failed the elect and chosen few who have remained true to the Words of "JHVH the Lesser=The Son of Man," who spoke through his obedient servant Jesus, who spoke not one word on his own authority, but only that which he was commanded to say by "WHO I AM", was "CHOSE" the Jesus from among his own people and sent the man Jesus to speak in his name.

Enoch, is the "CHOSEN" one from the pre-flood world, who is the Father of all of the body of post flood mankind, and who was taken to the throne of the MOST HIGH in the creation and "ANOINTED" as his successor, who, in the evolution of the "SON OF MAN," was the living cornerstone to whom was gathered, all the spirits of Good people who fall asleep in righteousness after paying the blood price for their inherited sin and any mistakes that they may have made while in the flesh, and over who, death has no more power.

For no man has ascended to heaven except: and that one exception, was Enoch, whose spirit descended from the ends of time and settled upon the head of His "CHOSEN one, the man Jesus," in the form of a dove, as the heavenly voice was heard to say, "You are my son, THIS DAY I have begotten thee.

Genesis 5: 23; Enoch was 365 (In days---A calendar year the one year old sacrificial Lamb of God.) and had spent his life in fellowship with God when he disappeared because God had Taken him.

Hebrews 11: 5; "By faith Enoch was translated (To change from one form to another) so that he should not experience death; and he was not found, because God had Translated him.

Enoch was carried up in a whirlwind of fire and escorted to the tenth heaven which is called Aravoth, where the archangel Michael led Enoch to before the Lord"s face

From "The Book of the Secrets of Enoch" 22: 8; "And I fell prone and bowed down to the Lord, and the Lord with his lips said to me: "Have courage, Enoch, do not fear, arise and stand before my face into eternity."

And the archistratege. Or, "the commander of the armies of the nations, named Michael, lifted me up, and led me to before the Lord"s face. And the Lord said to his servants tempting them: Let Enoch stand before my face into eternity, and the glorious ones bowed down to the Lord, and said: Let Enoch go according to Your word.

And the Lord said to Michael: Go and take Enoch from out of his earthly garments, and anoint him with my sweet ointment, and put him into the garments of My glory. And Michael did thus, as the Lord told him. He anointed me, and dressed me, and the appearance of that ointment is more than the great light, and his ointment is like sweet dew, and its smell mild, shining like the sun"s ray, and I looked at myself, and I was like one of his glorious ones. Or one of the seven highest angels.

Sandalphon is an archangel in Jewish and Christian writings. Sandalphon figures prominently in the mystical literary traditions of Rabbinic Judaism and early Christianity, notably in the Midrash, Talmud, and Kabbalah.

Some of the earliest sources on Sandalphon refer to him as the prophet Elijah transfigured and elevated to angelic status. Other sources (mainly from the midrashic period) describe him as the "twin brother" of Metatron, whose human origin as Enoch was similar to the human origin of Sandalphon.[2]

Sandalphron and Metatron are post human angels, Metatron is the name that was given to Enoch after he had been translated from a body of corruptible matter into a glorious body of incorruptible light, and Sandalphron, who is erroneously thought by some to be Metatron"s twin, is in fact Elijah"s angelic name after he was carried up to stand before Enoch and was also transfigured.

Metatron is also mentioned in the Pseudepigrapha, most prominently in the Hebrew Book of Enoch (also called Third Enoch), in which his grand title, "THE LESSER YHVH" resurfaces. It is also believed that Enoch=Metatron was the angel "JHVH" that led the children of Israel through the 40 year wilderness.The one who said to Moses in Deuteronomy 18: 18; "I will send them a prophet like you from among their own people; I will tell him what to say, and he will tell the people all that I command. He will speak in my name, etc.

And the Lord summoned one of his archangels by name Pravuil, whose knowledge was quicker in wisdom than the other archangels, who wrote all the deeds of the Lord; and the Lord said to Pravuil: Bring out the books from my store-houses, and a reed of quick-writing, and give it to Enoch, and deliver to him the choice and comforting books out of your hand.

And he was telling me all the works of heaven, earth and sea, and all the elements, their passages and goings, and the thunderings of the thunders, the sun and moon, the goings and changes of the stars, the seasons, years, days, and hours, the risings of the wind, the numbers of the angels, and the formation of their songs, and all human things, the tongue of every human song and life, the commandments, instructions, and sweet-voiced singings, and all things that it is fitting to learn.

And Pravuil told me: All the things that I have told you, we have written. Sit and write all the souls of mankind, however many of them are born, and the places prepared for them to eternity; for all souls are prepared to eternity, before the formation of the world.

The MOST HIGH in the creation, then gave Enoch 30 days in which to return to earth and reveal his writtings to his sons. and he called forth an ancient angel as cold as ice, which angel was commanded to touch the face of the glorious "SON OF MAN" and the MOST HIGH said to him: "Enoch, if thy face were not frozen here, no man would be able to behold thee.

The stone that the builders of the catholic church rejected, has turned out to be the most important stone of all.

To be continued
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5/8/2015 7:25:49 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 5/8/2015 5:13:11 PM, TBR wrote:
At 5/8/2015 4:38:04 PM, Dogknox wrote:
At 5/8/2015 12:41:21 PM, TBR wrote:
I know this means nothing to you, but at some point you have to understand how ridiculous that sounds from the outside. We could run through the same tired arguments again, but the simple point is - outside your belief structure that sounds like the biggest load of... rationalizing.

TBR There are OVER 1.2 BILLION Catholics that say "You are wrong"! Never mind there are about 450 Million other Christians that also would say "You are wrong!!!
Buddhists, Hindu Muslim who believe in God or gods of some kind!
Even the North American Indians had a "Great White Spirit"!
Never mind the FACT; Man has ALWAYS believed in a God, gods or some kind of higher being!
Even the Cave man believed in a god or gods!!
YOU....
TBR It is you, who stands out with the load of bull!

TBRBoy oh boy: Man kind is so lucky you came along when you did.. You have the truth and the whole world needs you to tell them they are wrong, to think there might be a god!! Never mind all of man in past ages has been wrong to think there is a higher being!!!!!

STOP....
Stop the presses: News Flash "TBR tells the whole world; They have been WRONG to think there might be a god; He has the TRUTH!"
Your positively hyperventilating. What I said, what I am saying is, from the outside that all looks completely ridiculous. Similarly your rant looks ridiculous.

You say: All looks completely ridiculous?

Proving you don't understand... You are ignorant to truth found in the scriptures and religion!
TBR You "LOOK", seeing nothing interesting; ALL becomes ridiculous!
What I see is...Ignorant opinion coming from you, no effort to dialog!
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5/8/2015 8:16:37 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
Continued from post #10.

After the face of the glorious SON OF MAN was frozen, the MOST HIGH then said to him: "And I give you Samuil and Raguil, who led you up, and the books, and go down to earth, and tell your sons all that I have told you, and all that you have seen, from the lower heaven up to my throne, and all the troops.

Give them the books of the handwriting, and they will read (them) and will know me for the creator of all things, and will understand how there is no other God but me.

And let them distribute the books of your handwriting"children to children, generation to generation, nations to nations.

Enoch then goes on to say to his children: "I have put every man"s work in writing and none born on earth can remain hidden nor his works remain concealed.............I see all things, You see how I wrote all the works of every man, before his creation, etc.

He even saw Jesus who was "CHOSEN" by God before the creation of this world, through who we now believe in JHVH, who raised him from death and gave him glory and sat him in his throne of Godhead to the creation, to where Jesus invites all those, who like himself, are able to win the victory over the ruler of this world, to sit beside him. See Revelation 3: 21.

And in that place mine eyes saw the Elect One of righteousness and of faith, and I saw his dwelling-place under the wings of the Lord of Spirits. And righteousness shall prevail in his days.

And the righteous and elect shall be without number before Him for ever and ever.

And all the righteous and elect before Him shall be strong as fiery lights, and their mouth shall be full of blessing,............And there heretofore hath been MY PORTION For so has it been established concerning me before the Lord of Spirits.

On that day Mine Elect One shall sit on the throne of glory and shall try their works, and their places of rest shall be innumerable.

And their souls shall grow strong within them when they see Mine Elect Ones, and those who have called upon My glorious name: Then will I cause Mine Elect One to dwell among them.

And I will transform the heaven and make it an eternal blessing and light and I will transform the earth and make it a blessing: And I will cause Mine elect ones to dwell upon it: But the sinners and evil-doers shall not set foot thereon.

And in him dwells the spirit of wisdom, and the spirit which gives insight, and the spirit of understanding and of might, and the spirit of those who have fallen asleep in righteousness.

And in those days shall the earth also give back that which has been entrusted to it,
and Sheol also shall give back that which it has received, and hell shall give back that which it owes.

For in those days the Elect One shall arise, and he shall choose the righteous and holy from among them: For the day has drawn nigh that they should be saved.

And the Elect One shall in those days sit on My throne, and his mouth shall pour forth all the secrets of wisdom and counsel: For the Lord of Spirits hath given (them) to him and hath glorified him.

From the Book of Enoch the prophet 108: 11-13; "And now I will summons the spirits of the good who belong to the generation of light, and I will transform those who were born in darkness, who, in the flesh were not recompensed with such honour as their faithfulness deserved. And I will bring forth in shining light those who have loved My holy name (Who I Am, my interpolation) and I will seat each one on the throne of his honour. And they shall be resplendent for times without number."

These are the chosen number of Jews and Gentiles who are to take the thrones that have been prepared for them and rule as kings for a thousand years.
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5/8/2015 9:51:19 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
You say: All looks completely ridiculous?

Proving you don't understand... You are ignorant to truth found in the scriptures and religion!
TBR You "LOOK", seeing nothing interesting; ALL becomes ridiculous!
What I see is...Ignorant opinion coming from you, no effort to dialog!

I don't see any proof of lack of understanding, or of the bible.

This is upsetting to you no doubt. The book you car about so much. But, why should it matter to you one bit that I don't have any care for it? Why worry that I think the rationalizations made in this thread are preposterous?
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5/8/2015 11:05:53 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 5/8/2015 9:51:19 PM, TBR wrote:
You say: All looks completely ridiculous?

Proving you don't understand... You are ignorant to truth found in the scriptures and religion!
TBR You "LOOK", seeing nothing interesting; ALL becomes ridiculous!
What I see is...Ignorant opinion coming from you, no effort to dialog!

I don't see any proof of lack of understanding, or of the bible.

This is upsetting to you no doubt. The book you car about so much. But, why should it matter to you one bit that I don't have any care for it? Why worry that I think the rationalizations made in this thread are preposterous?

You're right! Who gives a rats run up the back lane what you think. Go and talk to someone who does care.
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5/8/2015 11:45:16 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 5/8/2015 4:38:04 PM, Dogknox wrote:
Even the Cave man believed in a god or gods!!

Actually they invented the first gods and man has been inventing more ever since.
Religion is just mind control. George Carlin
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5/9/2015 12:01:58 AM
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At 5/8/2015 11:45:16 PM, bulproof wrote:
At 5/8/2015 4:38:04 PM, Dogknox wrote:
Even the Cave man believed in a god or gods!!

Actually they invented the first gods and man has been inventing more ever since.

Actually the dinosaurs who once ruled the earth for millions of years, was the MOST HIGH in the creation at that time, and the spiritual Godhead to that ruling body of upright walking reptiles, before they were forced to crawl on their stomach and eat dust, was the developing Son of God=The MOST HIGH in this cycle of universal activity, as he had evolved to at that particular point in time.

The SON OF GOD, whose feet, (Evolving physical body) is on earth, but whose head (Invisible evolving spirit=mind) is in a different time Zone, which is far above our Space-Time dimension.
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5/9/2015 12:38:59 AM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 5/9/2015 12:01:58 AM, Gentorev wrote:
At 5/8/2015 11:45:16 PM, bulproof wrote:
At 5/8/2015 4:38:04 PM, Dogknox wrote:
Even the Cave man believed in a god or gods!!

Actually they invented the first gods and man has been inventing more ever since.

Actually the dinosaurs who once ruled the earth for millions of years, was the MOST HIGH in the creation at that time, and the spiritual Godhead to that ruling body of upright walking reptiles, before they were forced to crawl on their stomach and eat dust, was the developing Son of God=The MOST HIGH in this cycle of universal activity, as he had evolved to at that particular point in time.

The SON OF GOD, whose feet, (Evolving physical body) is on earth, but whose head (Invisible evolving spirit=mind) is in a different time Zone, which is far above our Space-Time dimension.

What'd I tell ya.
Religion is just mind control. George Carlin
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5/9/2015 1:16:22 AM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 5/9/2015 12:38:59 AM, bulproof wrote:
At 5/9/2015 12:01:58 AM, Gentorev wrote:
At 5/8/2015 11:45:16 PM, bulproof wrote:
At 5/8/2015 4:38:04 PM, Dogknox wrote:
Even the Cave man believed in a god or gods!!

Actually they invented the first gods and man has been inventing more ever since.

Actually the dinosaurs who once ruled the earth for millions of years, was the MOST HIGH in the creation at that time, and the spiritual Godhead to that ruling body of upright walking reptiles, before they were forced to crawl on their stomach and eat dust, was the developing Son of God=The MOST HIGH in this cycle of universal activity, as he had evolved to at that particular point in time.

The SON OF GOD, whose feet, (Evolving physical body) is on earth, but whose head (Invisible evolving spirit=mind) is in a different time Zone, which is far above our Space-Time dimension.

What'd I tell ya.

The SON OF MAN=that which is born of the body of mankind, who is a fourth dimensional non-physical being, who is able to traverse space and time, descended to the very beginning before the creation of the world, and he knows everything you have done or will ever do, because you exist in his distant past.

He, the MOST HIGH in the creation and the supreme Personality of Godhead to have evolved within the eternal oscillating universe, was not created by man as you so ignorantly suggest, He evolved.

And according to your concept of one direction linear time, He, the indwelling and evolving spirit within the body of mankind, is currently learning all the wisdom, knowledge and insight, needed by the heir to the throne of the MOST HIGH in the creation, from the pain and suffering of the physical body in which He is currently developing, which suffering is caused by the sins and mistakes made while in the flesh.

It is he who offers his immortal life for the sins of his flesh, but his Father has already prepared a replacement sin offering. of which you are totally ignorant.
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5/9/2015 3:07:29 AM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 5/8/2015 12:19:34 PM, Dogknox wrote:
At 5/8/2015 11:43:24 AM, Jedi4 wrote:


Jedi4 Good to meet you..
The Scriptures are the words of God!
Men were INSPIRED by God, guided by the Holy Spirit to put "Ink to paper"!

BUT...
Jedi4 but there were many scripture Manuscripts kicking around that were NOT inspired documents! It got so that no one was sure what was truly inspired and what was not! For four hundred years it remained this way UNTIL..
Jedi4 Until the Holy Catholic Church put all the truly INSPIRED Manuscripts into one book, she named her book "The Bible"!

FACT: There is NO list of the inspired books found in the bible! You MUST believe the Holy Catholic Church got it right!
Jedi4 Toss your bible out your stinking window if you reject the authority of the Holy Catholic Church, how can you trust she got it right if your reject her authority

THINK: If God helped His Church, pick out of the many hundreds of NON inspired books, the truly inspired works.. Don't you think..
Jedi4 Don't you think; God the Holy Spirit would also not stick around and help her INTERPRET the same works!?

John 14:16
And I will ask the Father, and he will give you another advocate to help you and be with you forever"

Did you see it?? ... be with you forever

FOREVER WITH.. Means: The Church Jesus established did not fail!!

"For all the land which you see, to you will I give it, and to your seed for ever." (Gen 13: 15)

Did you see it?? ... Abraham and his seed were to possess the land forever.

The problem is: they didn't.
Madcornishbiker: "No, I don't need a dictionary, I know how scripture uses words and that is all I need to now."
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5/9/2015 3:53:09 AM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 5/9/2015 3:07:29 AM, annanicole wrote:
At 5/8/2015 12:19:34 PM, Dogknox wrote:
At 5/8/2015 11:43:24 AM, Jedi4 wrote:


Jedi4 Good to meet you..
The Scriptures are the words of God!
Men were INSPIRED by God, guided by the Holy Spirit to put "Ink to paper"!

BUT...
Jedi4 but there were many scripture Manuscripts kicking around that were NOT inspired documents! It got so that no one was sure what was truly inspired and what was not! For four hundred years it remained this way UNTIL..
Jedi4 Until the Holy Catholic Church put all the truly INSPIRED Manuscripts into one book, she named her book "The Bible"!

FACT: There is NO list of the inspired books found in the bible! You MUST believe the Holy Catholic Church got it right!
Jedi4 Toss your bible out your stinking window if you reject the authority of the Holy Catholic Church, how can you trust she got it right if your reject her authority

THINK: If God helped His Church, pick out of the many hundreds of NON inspired books, the truly inspired works.. Don't you think..
Jedi4 Don't you think; God the Holy Spirit would also not stick around and help her INTERPRET the same works!?

John 14:16
And I will ask the Father, and he will give you another advocate to help you and be with you forever"

Did you see it?? ... be with you forever

FOREVER WITH.. Means: The Church Jesus established did not fail!!

"For all the land which you see, to you will I give it, and to your seed for ever." (Gen 13: 15)

Did you see it?? ... Abraham and his seed were to possess the land forever.

The problem is: they didn't.

But they will.
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5/9/2015 5:33:40 AM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 5/9/2015 3:53:09 AM, Gentorev wrote:
At 5/9/2015 3:07:29 AM, annanicole wrote:
At 5/8/2015 12:19:34 PM, Dogknox wrote:
At 5/8/2015 11:43:24 AM, Jedi4 wrote:


Jedi4 Good to meet you..
The Scriptures are the words of God!
Men were INSPIRED by God, guided by the Holy Spirit to put "Ink to paper"!

BUT...
Jedi4 but there were many scripture Manuscripts kicking around that were NOT inspired documents! It got so that no one was sure what was truly inspired and what was not! For four hundred years it remained this way UNTIL..
Jedi4 Until the Holy Catholic Church put all the truly INSPIRED Manuscripts into one book, she named her book "The Bible"!

FACT: There is NO list of the inspired books found in the bible! You MUST believe the Holy Catholic Church got it right!
Jedi4 Toss your bible out your stinking window if you reject the authority of the Holy Catholic Church, how can you trust she got it right if your reject her authority

THINK: If God helped His Church, pick out of the many hundreds of NON inspired books, the truly inspired works.. Don't you think..
Jedi4 Don't you think; God the Holy Spirit would also not stick around and help her INTERPRET the same works!?

John 14:16
And I will ask the Father, and he will give you another advocate to help you and be with you forever"

Did you see it?? ... be with you forever

FOREVER WITH.. Means: The Church Jesus established did not fail!!

"For all the land which you see, to you will I give it, and to your seed for ever." (Gen 13: 15)

Did you see it?? ... Abraham and his seed were to possess the land forever.

The problem is: they didn't.

But they will.

No, they won't. God gave them all the land that He promised them. And they lost it due to their own disobedience. Thus, thousands of "Abraham's seed" have come and gone and never possessed an inch of the land.

Have you decided that all of Abraham's seed - and Abraham himself - will be resurrected and transported back over to Palestine to "fulfill" the promise?
Madcornishbiker: "No, I don't need a dictionary, I know how scripture uses words and that is all I need to now."
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5/9/2015 6:11:23 AM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 5/9/2015 5:33:40 AM, annanicole wrote:
At 5/9/2015 3:53:09 AM, Gentorev wrote:
At 5/9/2015 3:07:29 AM, annanicole wrote:
At 5/8/2015 12:19:34 PM, Dogknox wrote:
At 5/8/2015 11:43:24 AM, Jedi4 wrote:


Jedi4 Good to meet you..
The Scriptures are the words of God!
Men were INSPIRED by God, guided by the Holy Spirit to put "Ink to paper"!

BUT...
Jedi4 but there were many scripture Manuscripts kicking around that were NOT inspired documents! It got so that no one was sure what was truly inspired and what was not! For four hundred years it remained this way UNTIL..
Jedi4 Until the Holy Catholic Church put all the truly INSPIRED Manuscripts into one book, she named her book "The Bible"!

FACT: There is NO list of the inspired books found in the bible! You MUST believe the Holy Catholic Church got it right!
Jedi4 Toss your bible out your stinking window if you reject the authority of the Holy Catholic Church, how can you trust she got it right if your reject her authority

THINK: If God helped His Church, pick out of the many hundreds of NON inspired books, the truly inspired works.. Don't you think..
Jedi4 Don't you think; God the Holy Spirit would also not stick around and help her INTERPRET the same works!?

John 14:16
And I will ask the Father, and he will give you another advocate to help you and be with you forever"

Did you see it?? ... be with you forever

FOREVER WITH.. Means: The Church Jesus established did not fail!!

"For all the land which you see, to you will I give it, and to your seed for ever." (Gen 13: 15)

Did you see it?? ... Abraham and his seed were to possess the land forever.

The problem is: they didn't.

But they will.

No, they won't. God gave them all the land that He promised them. And they lost it due to their own disobedience. Thus, thousands of "Abraham's seed" have come and gone and never possessed an inch of the land.

Have you decided that all of Abraham's seed - and Abraham himself - will be resurrected and transported back over to Palestine to "fulfill" the promise?

The idea that only the Jews were special to the deity, if it exists, was wishful thinking on the part of the Biblical authors!
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5/9/2015 7:11:03 AM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 5/9/2015 6:11:23 AM, JJ50 wrote:
At 5/9/2015 5:33:40 AM, annanicole wrote:
At 5/9/2015 3:53:09 AM, Gentorev wrote:
At 5/9/2015 3:07:29 AM, annanicole wrote:
At 5/8/2015 12:19:34 PM, Dogknox wrote:
At 5/8/2015 11:43:24 AM, Jedi4 wrote:


Jedi4 Good to meet you..
The Scriptures are the words of God!
Men were INSPIRED by God, guided by the Holy Spirit to put "Ink to paper"!

BUT...
Jedi4 but there were many scripture Manuscripts kicking around that were NOT inspired documents! It got so that no one was sure what was truly inspired and what was not! For four hundred years it remained this way UNTIL..
Jedi4 Until the Holy Catholic Church put all the truly INSPIRED Manuscripts into one book, she named her book "The Bible"!

FACT: There is NO list of the inspired books found in the bible! You MUST believe the Holy Catholic Church got it right!
Jedi4 Toss your bible out your stinking window if you reject the authority of the Holy Catholic Church, how can you trust she got it right if your reject her authority

THINK: If God helped His Church, pick out of the many hundreds of NON inspired books, the truly inspired works.. Don't you think..
Jedi4 Don't you think; God the Holy Spirit would also not stick around and help her INTERPRET the same works!?

John 14:16
And I will ask the Father, and he will give you another advocate to help you and be with you forever"

Did you see it?? ... be with you forever

FOREVER WITH.. Means: The Church Jesus established did not fail!!

"For all the land which you see, to you will I give it, and to your seed for ever." (Gen 13: 15)

Did you see it?? ... Abraham and his seed were to possess the land forever.

The problem is: they didn't.

But they will.

No, they won't. God gave them all the land that He promised them. And they lost it due to their own disobedience. Thus, thousands of "Abraham's seed" have come and gone and never possessed an inch of the land.

Have you decided that all of Abraham's seed - and Abraham himself - will be resurrected and transported back over to Palestine to "fulfill" the promise?

The idea that only the Jews were special to the deity, if it exists, was wishful thinking on the part of the Biblical authors!

All Jews are Israelites, but not all Israelites are Jews. The Jews are of the tribe of Judah, which is but one of the 13 tribes of Israel, the chosen people of the Lord.

When Noah divided the Land among his three sons, Shem received the middle portion, from the delta of the of the river of Egypt, north to Lebanon and south to India, while Ham received the land of Africa to the south, and Japheth received the land to the north of Lebanon, which according to the book of Jubilees 8: 30; It is said that the Land of Japheth included the five great islands and a great land in the north. But it is cold, and the land of Ham is Hot, and the land of Shem (The middle son) is neither hot nor cold, but it is of blended cold and heat.

The sons of Noah then divided their portion of land among their sons, and it is written in Jubilees 9: 14; "And thus the sons of Noah divided unto their sons in the presence of Noah their father, and he bound them all by an oath, imprecating a curse on everyone who sought to seize the portion that had not fallen to him by lot. And they all said, "So be it; so be it," for themselves and for their sons for ever throughout their generations til the day of judgement, etc."

Then in chapter 10: 29; we read; "And Canaan saw the land of Lebanon to the river Egypt, that it was very good, and he went not into the land of his inheritance to the west (That is to) the sea, and he dwelt in the land of Lebanon, eastward and westward from the border of the Jordan and from the border of the sea. And Ham his father, and Cush and Mizraim, his brothers said unto him: "Thou hast settled in a land which is not thine, and which did not fall to us by lot: do not do so; for if thou dost do so, thou and thy sons will fall in the land and be accursed through sedition; for by sedition ye have settled; and by sedition will thy children fall, and thou shalt be rooted out forever, etc.

It was the biblical God of love, who inspired Solomon to write, "Spare the rod and spoil the child.

The God who so loved his disobedient child "Israel," that he rose up as his chastising Rod, the Babylonian King, "Nebuchadnezzar," who slaughtered thousands of the diseased cells of the body of Israel before taking God"s chosen son into captivity.

The God of whom it is predicted in the Old Testament, in Numbers 24: 17, "A king, like a bright star, will arise in that Nation. Like a comet he will come from Israel. He will strike the leaders of Moab and beat down all the people of Seth. He will conquer his enemies in Edom and make their land his property. While Israel continues victorious. The Nation of Israel will trample them down and wipe out the last survivors."

It will be on that great day of tribulation that the Lord gathers all the nations around Jerusalem, Zechariah 12: 10, and they will look upon me and see the one who they pierced, and they shall mourn for him as one mourns for an only child etc.

Isaiah 63: 1-6, "Who is this coming from the city of Bozrah in Edom? Who is this so splendidly dressed in red, marching along in power and strength?" It is the Lord, powerful to save, coming to announce his victory. "Why is his clothing so red, like that of a man who tramples grapes to make wine?"
The Lord answers, "I have trampled the nations like grapes and no one came to help me. I trampled them in my anger, and their blood has stained all my clothing. I decided that the time to save my people had come; it was time to punish their enemies, I was amazed when I looked and saw that there was no one to help me. But my anger made me strong, and I won the victory myself. In my anger I trampled whole nations and shattered them, I poured out their life"s blood on the earth."

The Lord will come to fight for his people Israel as he has fought in times past and from within the inner most sanctuary of his tabernacle which is the body of mankind, he will fight the enemies of Israel; those Nations who surround Jerusalem in their attempt to drive God's chosen people into the sea. The Lord will throw them into a state of total confusion, and the weapons of destruction with which they would destroy Israel, he will cause them to turn upon their own allies and they shall suffer a terrible disease, the soft tissue such as their eyes and tongues will melt in their sockets, and their radiated flesh cooked to the bone will slide from their bodies while still standing.

Then all those who sing and dance with their eyes and hands raised to the heavens in worship of a god they neither know or understand, can kiss goodbye to their great cathedrals of Marble, stone and crystal, for all the surviving Nations, will send their representatives, who will go up each year to Jerusalem in the land of Israel, to worship the Lord as King and woe betide those who refuse to do so, See Zechariah 14.
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5/9/2015 10:41:15 AM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 5/8/2015 9:51:19 PM, TBR wrote:
You say: All looks completely ridiculous?

Proving you don't understand... You are ignorant to truth found in the scriptures and religion!
TBR You "LOOK", seeing nothing interesting; ALL becomes ridiculous!
What I see is...Ignorant opinion coming from you, no effort to dialog!

I don't see any proof of lack of understanding, or of the bible.

This is upsetting to you no doubt. The book you car about so much. But, why should it matter to you one bit that I don't have any care for it? Why worry that I think the rationalizations made in this thread are preposterous?

I reply: It matters nothing to me what you believe!!!!! I don't care!!!

What matters to me is, what the truth is!!
The truth is; Most of mankind for the history of man, about 99% of all the history of man back to the caveman; Have believed in a God or gods, believed in some kind of higher being!
Does NOT prove there is a God but it does prove, you are on the outside with just Ignorant OPINIONS!!!

TBR You have ZERO PROOF of what you believe is true!
But you still BELIEVE in something!!
Your unproven BELIEF IS>> There is no God; You cannot PROVE there is NO God!!!!
Until you can PROVE there is No god, you are just Hot Air! You are more then willing to condemn what others believe yet your yourself have UN-PROVABLE beliefs of your own!! WHACK-Whack-whack-Ooooh!!
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5/9/2015 10:49:32 AM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 5/9/2015 3:07:29 AM, annanicole wrote:
At 5/8/2015 12:19:34 PM, Dogknox wrote:
At 5/8/2015 11:43:24 AM, Jedi4 wrote:


Jedi4 Good to meet you..
The Scriptures are the words of God!
Men were INSPIRED by God, guided by the Holy Spirit to put "Ink to paper"!

BUT...
Jedi4 but there were many scripture Manuscripts kicking around that were NOT inspired documents! It got so that no one was sure what was truly inspired and what was not! For four hundred years it remained this way UNTIL..
Jedi4 Until the Holy Catholic Church put all the truly INSPIRED Manuscripts into one book, she named her book "The Bible"!

FACT: There is NO list of the inspired books found in the bible! You MUST believe the Holy Catholic Church got it right!
Jedi4 Toss your bible out your stinking window if you reject the authority of the Holy Catholic Church, how can you trust she got it right if your reject her authority

THINK: If God helped His Church, pick out of the many hundreds of NON inspired books, the truly inspired works.. Don't you think..
Jedi4 Don't you think; God the Holy Spirit would also not stick around and help her INTERPRET the same works!?

John 14:16
And I will ask the Father, and he will give you another advocate to help you and be with you forever"

Did you see it?? ... be with you forever

FOREVER WITH.. Means: The Church Jesus established did not fail!!

"For all the land which you see, to you will I give it, and to your seed for ever." (Gen 13: 15)

Did you see it?? ... Abraham and his seed were to possess the land forever.

The problem is: they didn't.

Your point is?? What that God errs??!! Next verse...
16 I will make your offspring like the dust of the earth, so that if anyone could count the dust, then your offspring could be counted.

Jesus sits on the Throne of David! Do you reject this also!? The LINAGE of Jesus goes back to David! Davids goes back to Abraham David is Abraham s "SEED"!!!
Gen 13:15 ... to your seed for ever."

YES the Holy Catholic Church is FOREVER.... Jesus the seed of Davis will never die!
Jesus' holy Catholic Body is FOREVER!!
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5/9/2015 10:51:51 AM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 5/9/2015 10:41:15 AM, Dogknox wrote:
At 5/8/2015 9:51:19 PM, TBR wrote:
You say: All looks completely ridiculous?

Proving you don't understand... You are ignorant to truth found in the scriptures and religion!
TBR You "LOOK", seeing nothing interesting; ALL becomes ridiculous!
What I see is...Ignorant opinion coming from you, no effort to dialog!

I don't see any proof of lack of understanding, or of the bible.

This is upsetting to you no doubt. The book you car about so much. But, why should it matter to you one bit that I don't have any care for it? Why worry that I think the rationalizations made in this thread are preposterous?

I reply: It matters nothing to me what you believe!!!!! I don't care!!!

What matters to me is, what the truth is!!
The truth is; Most of mankind for the history of man, about 99% of all the history of man back to the caveman; Have believed in a God or gods, believed in some kind of higher being!
Does NOT prove there is a God but it does prove, you are on the outside with just Ignorant OPINIONS!!!

TBR You have ZERO PROOF of what you believe is true!
But you still BELIEVE in something!!
Your unproven BELIEF IS>> There is no God; You cannot PROVE there is NO God!!!!
Until you can PROVE there is No god, you are just Hot Air! You are more then willing to condemn what others believe yet your yourself have UN-PROVABLE beliefs of your own!! WHACK-Whack-whack-Ooooh!!

Gods are a claim made by men. If you have a claim from any other source I'd be delighted to view it.
Religion is just mind control. George Carlin
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5/9/2015 11:40:14 AM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 5/9/2015 10:49:32 AM, Dogknox wrote:
At 5/9/2015 3:07:29 AM, annanicole wrote:
At 5/8/2015 12:19:34 PM, Dogknox wrote:
At 5/8/2015 11:43:24 AM, Jedi4 wrote:


Jedi4 Good to meet you..
The Scriptures are the words of God!
Men were INSPIRED by God, guided by the Holy Spirit to put "Ink to paper"!

BUT...
Jedi4 but there were many scripture Manuscripts kicking around that were NOT inspired documents! It got so that no one was sure what was truly inspired and what was not! For four hundred years it remained this way UNTIL..
Jedi4 Until the Holy Catholic Church put all the truly INSPIRED Manuscripts into one book, she named her book "The Bible"!

FACT: There is NO list of the inspired books found in the bible! You MUST believe the Holy Catholic Church got it right!
Jedi4 Toss your bible out your stinking window if you reject the authority of the Holy Catholic Church, how can you trust she got it right if your reject her authority

THINK: If God helped His Church, pick out of the many hundreds of NON inspired books, the truly inspired works.. Don't you think..
Jedi4 Don't you think; God the Holy Spirit would also not stick around and help her INTERPRET the same works!?

John 14:16
And I will ask the Father, and he will give you another advocate to help you and be with you forever"

Did you see it?? ... be with you forever

FOREVER WITH.. Means: The Church Jesus established did not fail!!

"For all the land which you see, to you will I give it, and to your seed for ever." (Gen 13: 15)

Did you see it?? ... Abraham and his seed were to possess the land forever.

The problem is: they didn't.

Your point is?? What that God errs??!! Next verse...

The point is that "forever" does not always mean "forever", unconditionally.
Madcornishbiker: "No, I don't need a dictionary, I know how scripture uses words and that is all I need to now."
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5/9/2015 3:09:32 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 5/9/2015 11:40:14 AM, annanicole wrote:
At 5/9/2015 10:49:32 AM, Dogknox wrote:
At 5/9/2015 3:07:29 AM, annanicole wrote:
At 5/8/2015 12:19:34 PM, Dogknox wrote:
At 5/8/2015 11:43:24 AM, Jedi4 wrote:


Jedi4 Good to meet you..
The Scriptures are the words of God!
Men were INSPIRED by God, guided by the Holy Spirit to put "Ink to paper"!

BUT...
Jedi4 but there were many scripture Manuscripts kicking around that were NOT inspired documents! It got so that no one was sure what was truly inspired and what was not! For four hundred years it remained this way UNTIL..
Jedi4 Until the Holy Catholic Church put all the truly INSPIRED Manuscripts into one book, she named her book "The Bible"!

FACT: There is NO list of the inspired books found in the bible! You MUST believe the Holy Catholic Church got it right!
Jedi4 Toss your bible out your stinking window if you reject the authority of the Holy Catholic Church, how can you trust she got it right if your reject her authority

THINK: If God helped His Church, pick out of the many hundreds of NON inspired books, the truly inspired works.. Don't you think..
Jedi4 Don't you think; God the Holy Spirit would also not stick around and help her INTERPRET the same works!?

John 14:16
And I will ask the Father, and he will give you another advocate to help you and be with you forever"

Did you see it?? ... be with you forever

FOREVER WITH.. Means: The Church Jesus established did not fail!!

"For all the land which you see, to you will I give it, and to your seed for ever." (Gen 13: 15)

Did you see it?? ... Abraham and his seed were to possess the land forever.

The problem is: they didn't.

Your point is?? What that God errs??!! Next verse...

The point is that "forever" does not always mean "forever", unconditionally.

The Holy Spirit is GUIDING FOREVER!!!!!
If the Church Jesus established fails then God failed!
THUS FOREVER IS FOREVER!!

annanicole Satan twists and massages and Massages scriptures until scriptures say what he wants scriptures to say! Truly you are your Fathers Daughter!

Words of God: And I will ask the Father, and he will give you another advocate to help you and be with you forever"

What do you read? Word for word (above) Who do you believe?! be with you forever"

annanicole LOOK (below) so plain word for word, more you MUST REJECT....
Matthew 13:39 and the enemy who sows them is the devil. The harvest is the end of the age, and the harvesters are angels.

DO YOU SEE IT??? Angels harvest at the end of the AGE!!!!
QUESTION: When is the end of the AGE!! Has it happened yet??! Yes or NO!?

Matthew 13:40 "As the weeds are pulled up and burned in the fire, so it will be at the end of the age.
QUESTION: When is the end of the AGE!! Has it happened yet??!

Matthew 13:49 This is how it will be at the end of the age. The angels will come and separate the wicked from the righteous

QUESTION: When is the end of the AGE!! Has it happened yet?! What did you read (above)?

Matthew 24:3 As Jesus was sitting on the Mount of Olives, the disciples came to him privately. "Tell us," they said, "when will this happen, and what will be the sign of your coming and of the end of the age?"

Did you see it??
QUESTION: When is the end of the AGE!! Has it happened yet?!

Same author same book.. (Below)
Matthew 28:20 and teaching them to obey everything I have commanded you. And surely I am with you always, to the very end of the age."

Did you see it??
QUESTION: When is the end of the AGE?!! Has it happened yet?!
Is Jesus ALWAYS with his Church FOREVER to the next time he comes?! And surely I am with you always, to the very end of the age."

What do you believe what does the bible say!!!
Before you LIE, remember "WildCornaishbiker" he rejects the scriptures also! You are the same has him, no better!
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5/9/2015 3:16:50 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 5/9/2015 3:09:32 PM, Dogknox wrote:
At 5/9/2015 11:40:14 AM, annanicole wrote:
At 5/9/2015 10:49:32 AM, Dogknox wrote:
At 5/9/2015 3:07:29 AM, annanicole wrote:
At 5/8/2015 12:19:34 PM, Dogknox wrote:
At 5/8/2015 11:43:24 AM, Jedi4 wrote:


Jedi4 Good to meet you..
The Scriptures are the words of God!
Men were INSPIRED by God, guided by the Holy Spirit to put "Ink to paper"!

BUT...
Jedi4 but there were many scripture Manuscripts kicking around that were NOT inspired documents! It got so that no one was sure what was truly inspired and what was not! For four hundred years it remained this way UNTIL..
Jedi4 Until the Holy Catholic Church put all the truly INSPIRED Manuscripts into one book, she named her book "The Bible"!

FACT: There is NO list of the inspired books found in the bible! You MUST believe the Holy Catholic Church got it right!
Jedi4 Toss your bible out your stinking window if you reject the authority of the Holy Catholic Church, how can you trust she got it right if your reject her authority

THINK: If God helped His Church, pick out of the many hundreds of NON inspired books, the truly inspired works.. Don't you think..
Jedi4 Don't you think; God the Holy Spirit would also not stick around and help her INTERPRET the same works!?

John 14:16
And I will ask the Father, and he will give you another advocate to help you and be with you forever"

Did you see it?? ... be with you forever

FOREVER WITH.. Means: The Church Jesus established did not fail!!

"For all the land which you see, to you will I give it, and to your seed for ever." (Gen 13: 15)

Did you see it?? ... Abraham and his seed were to possess the land forever.

The problem is: they didn't.

Your point is?? What that God errs??!! Next verse...

The point is that "forever" does not always mean "forever", unconditionally.

The Holy Spirit is GUIDING FOREVER!!!!!
If the Church Jesus established fails then God failed!
THUS FOREVER IS FOREVER!!

annanicole Satan twists and massages and Massages scriptures until scriptures say what he wants scriptures to say! Truly you are your Fathers Daughter!

Well, you tell us:

"For all the land which you see, to you will I give it, and to your seed for ever." (Gen 13: 15)

Did Abraham and his seed possess the land forever?
Do they possess all of it right now?
Explain how they can "possess the land forever", yet do not possess it now?
Madcornishbiker: "No, I don't need a dictionary, I know how scripture uses words and that is all I need to now."
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5/9/2015 5:14:27 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 5/9/2015 3:16:50 PM, annanicole wrote........... Well, you tell us: "For all the land which you see, to you will I give it, and to your seed for ever." (Gen 13: 15). Did Abraham and his seed possess the land forever? Do they possess all of it right now /em>? Explain how they can "possess the land forever", yet do not possess it now?

Gentorev responds.........But they will my dear annanicole. With the help of the Lord of the heavenly armies they shall reclaim the land of their right full inheritance which was stolen by Canaan, which land will then never be invaded again, NEVER.

According to scripture, the end of this age of man occurs long after the great tribulation, which is the war to end all wars, when all the nations of the world are gathered around Jerusalem, the great tribulation in which there would be no survivors, but for the intervention of the Lord and those days are to be cut short.

It is at the time of tribulation, See Malachi 3: 1-2; that the Lord who the people are looking for will come to his Temple in Jerusalem. The Messenger that everyone is longing to see, will come and proclaim the covenant of God. But who will be able to endure the day when he comes? Who will be able to survive when he appears.

The end of this age of man occurs AFTER the Great Sabbath, See Acts 17: 31; The Day of the Lord, in which he shall rule the whole world with Justice by means of a man he has chosen. He has given proof of this to everyone by raising that man from death.

It is then, after the thousand year rule of Christ and his elect and chosen ones, when, at the sound of the last trumpet, the fire from heaven, which I believe may have something to do with increased radiation from Jupiter, our celestial vacuum cleaner, whether it will become a brown dwarf or is the cause of some other cosmic catastrophic event, will be the cause of the fire that comes down from heaven and incinerates all physical life forms on this planet.

Immediately after the great tribulation, which will usher in the thousand years of peace, the sun shall be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven (Meteorite showers) and the powers of heaven shall be shaken, etc. It is then that the Lord appears to rule the whole world with justice.

Isaiah 13: 10; "For the stars of heaven and the constellations thereof shall not give their light: the sun shall be darkened in its going forth, and the moon shall not cause her light to shine. And I will punish the WORLD for their evil, and the wicked for their iniquity, etc.

Joel 2: 10; "The earth shall quake before them; the heavens shall tremble; the sun and moon shall be dark, and the stars shall withdraw their shinning, (The nuclear winter wherein the earth is enveloped in debris: and rainbows will once more be unable to appear in our atmosphere) And the Lord shall utter his voice before his army: for his camp is very great: for he is strong that executeth his word: for the day of the Lord is great and very terrible: and who can abide it?

Multitudes, multitudes in the valley of decision! For the day of the LORD is near in the valley of decision. The sun and moon will be darkened, and the stars no longer shine.
The LORD will roar from Zion and thunder from Jerusalem; the earth and the heavens will tremble. But the LORD will be a refuge for his people, a stronghold for the people of Israel. "Then you will know that I, the LORD your God, dwell in Zion, my holy hill. Jerusalem will be holy; never again will foreigners invade her.

When the powers of the heavens are shaken and the light of the sun, moon, and stars are blocked from the earth, it is then that the Lord, as promised in Acts 17: 31, comes to rule the whole world with Justice, on the day that he has fixed, which is the Sabbath of one thousand years, "The Day of The Lord." A day in which rainbows cannot form and the world will be restored to its former glory, and the age of mankind will be increased as it was before the rainbow appeared for the first time after the flood.

Acts 17: 31; For he has fixed a day in which HE will judge the whole world with Justice by means of a MAN he has CHOSEN. He has given proof of this to every one by raising that MAN from death.

For one thousand years are to the Lord as one day. The day of the Lord is the Sabbath or the seventh period of one thousand years, from the day, in which Adam ate of the forbidden fruit and died in that first day at the age of 930.

We are almost at the close of the sixth day, and soon comes the great tribulation, which is the war to end all wars, after which the Sabbath will dawn, but when? Nobody knows the exact date.

The Toba super eruption was a super volcanic eruption that occurred sometime between 69,000 and 77,000 years ago at Lake Toba (Sumatra Indonesia). It is recognised as one of earth"s largest eruptions.

Thousands of cubic kilometres of material would have been blasted out into the stratosphere blocking out the light all over the world, turning the sun and moon into huge blood red orbs and causing the earth"s temperature to drop some 21% and it would possibly have been a thousand years, before rainbows could form in our atmosphere again.

The related catastrophe theory holds that this event plunged the planet into a 6 to 10 year volcanic winter and possibly an additional 1,000 year cooling episode. This change in temperature resulted in the world's proto-human population being reduced to 10,000 or even a mere 1,000 breeding pairs, creating a bottleneck in human evolution.

Our worry today, is the Super Volcano beneath Yellowstone Park.