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5/8/2015 4:21:12 PM
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Theists, what would you do if a law was passed tomorrow that made simply being atheist a crime, a felony with a lifetime prison sentence. Would you cheer? Would you be happy? Would you be horrified?

Atheists, what would you do if a law was passed that prohibited any and all worship of any kind? Would you be satisfied? Would you think that this was the best thing to ever happen? Would you instantly contact your government representatives and tear them a new one?

Being on the atheist side of the fence, I like to think I'd stand shoulder to shoulder with my religious friends and family and protest it to the greatest extent possible and work to get that law revoked. IN NO WAY to I want of force anyone to give up their beliefs, even if I disagree with them. As Voltaire is supposed to have said, "I may not agree with what you say but I will defend to the death your right to say it."

All I want is for religious people to return to me and others who do not believe as they do the respect that they expect for their rights as citizens of our free, secular nation.
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5/8/2015 4:50:20 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 5/8/2015 4:21:12 PM, dhardage wrote:
Theists, what would you do if a law was passed tomorrow that made simply being atheist a crime, a felony with a lifetime prison sentence. Would you cheer? Would you be happy? Would you be horrified?

Atheists, what would you do if a law was passed that prohibited any and all worship of any kind? Would you be satisfied? Would you think that this was the best thing to ever happen? Would you instantly contact your government representatives and tear them a new one?

Being on the atheist side of the fence, I like to think I'd stand shoulder to shoulder with my religious friends and family and protest it to the greatest extent possible and work to get that law revoked. IN NO WAY to I want of force anyone to give up their beliefs, even if I disagree with them. As Voltaire is supposed to have said, "I may not agree with what you say but I will defend to the death your right to say it."

All I want is for religious people to return to me and others who do not believe as they do the respect that they expect for their rights as citizens of our free, secular nation. : :

It's very simple to surround yourself with people of all beliefs if you stop judging them.
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5/8/2015 5:35:03 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 5/8/2015 4:21:12 PM, dhardage wrote:
Theists, what would you do if a law was passed tomorrow that made simply being atheist a crime, a felony with a lifetime prison sentence. Would you cheer? Would you be happy? Would you be horrified?

Atheists, what would you do if a law was passed that prohibited any and all worship of any kind? Would you be satisfied? Would you think that this was the best thing to ever happen? Would you instantly contact your government representatives and tear them a new one?

Being on the atheist side of the fence, I like to think I'd stand shoulder to shoulder with my religious friends and family and protest it to the greatest extent possible and work to get that law revoked. IN NO WAY to I want of force anyone to give up their beliefs, even if I disagree with them. As Voltaire is supposed to have said, "I may not agree with what you say but I will defend to the death your right to say it."

All I want is for religious people to return to me and others who do not believe as they do the respect that they expect for their rights as citizens of our free, secular nation.

"I may not agree with what you say but I will defend to the death your right to say it."

As an atheist, this quote succinctly provides the basis of my rational.
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5/11/2015 1:46:49 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 5/8/2015 4:21:12 PM, dhardage wrote:

Theists, what would you do if a law was passed tomorrow that made simply being atheist a crime, a felony with a lifetime prison sentence. Would you cheer? Would you be happy? Would you be horrified?

Not only horrified. I would disobey that law.

Atheists, what would you do if a law was passed that prohibited any and all worship of any kind? Would you be satisfied? Would you think that this was the best thing to ever happen? Would you instantly contact your government representatives and tear them a new one?

I think most "new atheists" or "antitheists" would be pleased.

Being on the atheist side of the fence, I like to think I'd stand shoulder to shoulder with my religious friends and family and protest it to the greatest extent possible and work to get that law revoked. IN NO WAY to I want of force anyone to give up their beliefs, even if I disagree with them. As Voltaire is supposed to have said, "I may not agree with what you say but I will defend to the death your right to say it."

I don't believe you have any "religious friends" unless you talk to them a whole lot differently than you talk to the religious here.

All I want is for religious people to return to me and others who do not believe as they do the respect that they expect for their rights as citizens of our free, secular nation.

Are your "religious friends" part of the "religious people" you speak about above?
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5/11/2015 1:52:45 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 5/8/2015 4:21:12 PM, dhardage wrote:
Theists, what would you do if a law was passed tomorrow that made simply being atheist a crime, a felony with a lifetime prison sentence. Would you cheer? Would you be happy? Would you be horrified?

Atheists, what would you do if a law was passed that prohibited any and all worship of any kind? Would you be satisfied? Would you think that this was the best thing to ever happen? Would you instantly contact your government representatives and tear them a new one?

Only if the law stated that no religious conviction of any kind can be held in public or can affect anyone in any way. Other than that, theists are free to believe any nonsense they want, just keep it behind closed doors where it belongs.

Being on the atheist side of the fence, I like to think I'd stand shoulder to shoulder with my religious friends and family and protest it to the greatest extent possible and work to get that law revoked. IN NO WAY to I want of force anyone to give up their beliefs, even if I disagree with them. As Voltaire is supposed to have said, "I may not agree with what you say but I will defend to the death your right to say it."

All I want is for religious people to return to me and others who do not believe as they do the respect that they expect for their rights as citizens of our free, secular nation.
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5/11/2015 2:02:02 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 5/8/2015 4:21:12 PM, dhardage wrote:
Theists, what would you do if a law was passed tomorrow that made simply being atheist a crime, a felony with a lifetime prison sentence. Would you cheer? Would you be happy? Would you be horrified?

Atheists, what would you do if a law was passed that prohibited any and all worship of any kind? Would you be satisfied? Would you think that this was the best thing to ever happen? Would you instantly contact your government representatives and tear them a new one?

Being on the atheist side of the fence, I like to think I'd stand shoulder to shoulder with my religious friends and family and protest it to the greatest extent possible and work to get that law revoked. IN NO WAY to I want of force anyone to give up their beliefs, even if I disagree with them. As Voltaire is supposed to have said, "I may not agree with what you say but I will defend to the death your right to say it."

All I want is for religious people to return to me and others who do not believe as they do the respect that they expect for their rights as citizens of our free, secular nation.

I believe that religious liberty and a secular government are very noble goals. It is in the nature of religious faith to become even more fervent when it is persecuted. So, not only would such a law be reprehensible on the face of it, it would be counterproductive to its very reason for existing.
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5/11/2015 2:32:47 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 5/8/2015 4:21:12 PM, dhardage wrote:
Theists, what would you do if a law was passed tomorrow that made simply being atheist a crime, a felony with a lifetime prison sentence. Would you cheer? Would you be happy? Would you be horrified?

I would be horrified, and I was openly oppose it.
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5/11/2015 2:46:15 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 5/11/2015 1:46:49 PM, ethang5 wrote:
At 5/8/2015 4:21:12 PM, dhardage wrote:

Theists, what would you do if a law was passed tomorrow that made simply being atheist a crime, a felony with a lifetime prison sentence. Would you cheer? Would you be happy? Would you be horrified?

Not only horrified. I would disobey that law.

Atheists, what would you do if a law was passed that prohibited any and all worship of any kind? Would you be satisfied? Would you think that this was the best thing to ever happen? Would you instantly contact your government representatives and tear them a new one?

I think most "new atheists" or "antitheists" would be pleased.

I'm a 'new atheist' and I disagree.

Being on the atheist side of the fence, I like to think I'd stand shoulder to shoulder with my religious friends and family and protest it to the greatest extent possible and work to get that law revoked. IN NO WAY to I want of force anyone to give up their beliefs, even if I disagree with them. As Voltaire is supposed to have said, "I may not agree with what you say but I will defend to the death your right to say it."

I don't believe you have any "religious friends" unless you talk to them a whole lot differently than you talk to the religious here.

Of course I do. They're my friends and we don't argue about religion. They know where I stand and don't try to convert me or convince me I'm wrong or stupid.

All I want is for religious people to return to me and others who do not believe as they do the respect that they expect for their rights as citizens of our free, secular nation.

Are your "religious friends" part of the "religious people" you speak about above?

Yep, and all of them do just that. We respect one another's viewpoint even though we disagree. I've never known one of them to protest gay marriage or try to get creationism taught in our local schools. Their religion is personal and they like to keep it that way.
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5/11/2015 2:59:45 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 5/11/2015 2:46:15 PM, dhardage wrote:
At 5/11/2015 1:46:49 PM, ethang5 wrote:

Theists, what would you do if a law was passed tomorrow that made simply being atheist a crime, a felony with a lifetime prison sentence. Would you cheer? Would you be happy? Would you be horrified?

Not only horrified. I would disobey that law.

Atheists, what would you do if a law was passed that prohibited any and all worship of any kind? Would you be satisfied? Would you think that this was the best thing to ever happen? Would you instantly contact your government representatives and tear them a new one?

I think most "new atheists" or "antitheists" would be pleased.

I'm a 'new atheist' and I disagree.

Your posts on the forum argue against you.

Being on the atheist side of the fence, I like to think I'd stand shoulder to shoulder with my religious friends and family and protest it to the greatest extent possible and work to get that law revoked. IN NO WAY to I want of force anyone to give up their beliefs, even if I disagree with them. As Voltaire is supposed to have said, "I may not agree with what you say but I will defend to the death your right to say it."

I don't believe you have any "religious friends" unless you talk to them a whole lot differently than you talk to the religious here.

Of course I do. They're my friends and we don't argue about religion. They know where I stand and don't try to convert me or convince me I'm wrong or stupid.

Ah, I see. Your personal definition of "religious". Given your demeanor here on the board, one wonders how they ever became your friends

All I want is for religious people to return to me and others who do not believe as they do the respect that they expect for their rights as citizens of our free, secular nation.

Are your "religious friends" part of the "religious people" you speak about above?

Yep, and all of them do just that.

Whooooooooshh!!!

We respect one another's viewpoint even though we disagree. I've never known one of them to protest gay marriage or try to get creationism taught in our local schools.

In other words, they call themselves "religious" but all believe and behave just like you. I get it.

Their religion is personal and they like to keep it that way.

Unlike you who seek out a religious board to insult theists you imagine have committed some offense against you. Your confusion is airtight.
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5/11/2015 3:28:25 PM
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At 5/8/2015 4:21:12 PM, dhardage wrote:
Theists, what would you do if a law was passed tomorrow that made simply being atheist a crime, a felony with a lifetime prison sentence. Would you cheer? Would you be happy? Would you be horrified?

Atheists, what would you do if a law was passed that prohibited any and all worship of any kind? Would you be satisfied? Would you think that this was the best thing to ever happen? Would you instantly contact your government representatives and tear them a new one?

Being on the atheist side of the fence, I like to think I'd stand shoulder to shoulder with my religious friends and family and protest it to the greatest extent possible and work to get that law revoked. IN NO WAY to I want of force anyone to give up their beliefs, even if I disagree with them. As Voltaire is supposed to have said, "I may not agree with what you say but I will defend to the death your right to say it."

All I want is for religious people to return to me and others who do not believe as they do the respect that they expect for their rights as citizens of our free, secular nation.

I suspect maybe you have missed a space out between a and theist in your first paragraph, so I shall answer working on that assumption, and with one scripture.

Acts 5:29
ASV(i) 29 But Peter and the apostles answered and said, We must obey God rather than men.

I will however add:

There are many JWs preaching in lands where it is illegal to do so, and where the sentence should they be caught is death.

However they remember the Apostle's words above and carry on as discretely as possible.

They also remember Jesus words about being obedient to death if necessary.
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5/11/2015 3:30:30 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 5/11/2015 3:28:25 PM, MadCornishBiker wrote:
At 5/8/2015 4:21:12 PM, dhardage wrote:
Theists, what would you do if a law was passed tomorrow that made simply being atheist a crime, a felony with a lifetime prison sentence. Would you cheer? Would you be happy? Would you be horrified?

Atheists, what would you do if a law was passed that prohibited any and all worship of any kind? Would you be satisfied? Would you think that this was the best thing to ever happen? Would you instantly contact your government representatives and tear them a new one?

Being on the atheist side of the fence, I like to think I'd stand shoulder to shoulder with my religious friends and family and protest it to the greatest extent possible and work to get that law revoked. IN NO WAY to I want of force anyone to give up their beliefs, even if I disagree with them. As Voltaire is supposed to have said, "I may not agree with what you say but I will defend to the death your right to say it."

All I want is for religious people to return to me and others who do not believe as they do the respect that they expect for their rights as citizens of our free, secular nation.

I suspect maybe you have missed a space out between a and theist in your first paragraph, so I shall answer working on that assumption, and with one scripture.

Acts 5:29
ASV(i) 29 But Peter and the apostles answered and said, We must obey God rather than men.

I will however add:

There are many JWs preaching in lands where it is illegal to do so, and where the sentence should they be caught is death.

So? There are more non-JW's doing the same thing. So once again, your statement means .... nothing.
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5/11/2015 3:35:19 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 5/11/2015 3:28:25 PM, MadCornishBiker wrote:
At 5/8/2015 4:21:12 PM, dhardage wrote:
Theists, what would you do if a law was passed tomorrow that made simply being atheist a crime, a felony with a lifetime prison sentence. Would you cheer? Would you be happy? Would you be horrified?

Atheists, what would you do if a law was passed that prohibited any and all worship of any kind? Would you be satisfied? Would you think that this was the best thing to ever happen? Would you instantly contact your government representatives and tear them a new one?

Being on the atheist side of the fence, I like to think I'd stand shoulder to shoulder with my religious friends and family and protest it to the greatest extent possible and work to get that law revoked. IN NO WAY to I want of force anyone to give up their beliefs, even if I disagree with them. As Voltaire is supposed to have said, "I may not agree with what you say but I will defend to the death your right to say it."

All I want is for religious people to return to me and others who do not believe as they do the respect that they expect for their rights as citizens of our free, secular nation.

I suspect maybe you have missed a space out between a and theist in your first paragraph, so I shall answer working on that assumption, and with one scripture.

Acts 5:29
ASV(i) 29 But Peter and the apostles answered and said, We must obey God rather than men.

I will however add:

There are many JWs preaching in lands where it is illegal to do so, and where the sentence should they be caught is death.

However they remember the Apostle's words above and carry on as discretely as possible.

They also remember Jesus words about being obedient to death if necessary.

If you aren't going to answer the question I asked then please don't waste your time and mine with your proselytizing.
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5/11/2015 3:40:21 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 5/11/2015 2:59:45 PM, ethang5 wrote:
At 5/11/2015 2:46:15 PM, dhardage wrote:
At 5/11/2015 1:46:49 PM, ethang5 wrote:

Theists, what would you do if a law was passed tomorrow that made simply being atheist a crime, a felony with a lifetime prison sentence. Would you cheer? Would you be happy? Would you be horrified?

Not only horrified. I would disobey that law.

Atheists, what would you do if a law was passed that prohibited any and all worship of any kind? Would you be satisfied? Would you think that this was the best thing to ever happen? Would you instantly contact your government representatives and tear them a new one?

I think most "new atheists" or "antitheists" would be pleased.

I'm a 'new atheist' and I disagree.

Your posts on the forum argue against you.

Being on the atheist side of the fence, I like to think I'd stand shoulder to shoulder with my religious friends and family and protest it to the greatest extent possible and work to get that law revoked. IN NO WAY to I want of force anyone to give up their beliefs, even if I disagree with them. As Voltaire is supposed to have said, "I may not agree with what you say but I will defend to the death your right to say it."

I don't believe you have any "religious friends" unless you talk to them a whole lot differently than you talk to the religious here.

Of course I do. They're my friends and we don't argue about religion. They know where I stand and don't try to convert me or convince me I'm wrong or stupid.

Ah, I see. Your personal definition of "religious". Given your demeanor here on the board, one wonders how they ever became your friends

I generally treat people as they treat me. I will be polite and respectful until I that respect is not returned. Not really a difficult concept for most.

All I want is for religious people to return to me and others who do not believe as they do the respect that they expect for their rights as citizens of our free, secular nation.

Are your "religious friends" part of the "religious people" you speak about above?

Yep, and all of them do just that.

Whooooooooshh!!!

We respect one another's viewpoint even though we disagree. I've never known one of them to protest gay marriage or try to get creationism taught in our local schools.

In other words, they call themselves "religious" but all believe and behave just like you. I get it.

No, they behave like decent, law abiding citizens who respect both the letter and spirit of the law and show their faith by living a more Chirst-like life. Something you might think about some time.

Their religion is personal and they like to keep it that way.

Unlike you who seek out a religious board to insult theists you imagine have committed some offense against you. Your confusion is airtight.

I come here to express a point of view with people who disagree. That's why it's called a debate site, or did you miss that? If you don't want to hear differing viewpoints, feel free to go to a religious site where they all think like you do.
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5/11/2015 3:55:54 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 5/11/2015 3:40:21 PM, dhardage wrote:
At 5/11/2015 2:59:45 PM, ethang5 wrote:

Theists, what would you do if a law was passed tomorrow that made simply being atheist a crime, a felony with a lifetime prison sentence. Would you cheer? Would you be happy? Would you be horrified?

Not only horrified. I would disobey that law.

Atheists, what would you do if a law was passed that prohibited any and all worship of any kind? Would you be satisfied? Would you think that this was the best thing to ever happen? Would you instantly contact your government representatives and tear them a new one?

I think most "new atheists" or "antitheists" would be pleased.

I'm a 'new atheist' and I disagree.

Your posts on the forum argue against you.

Being on the atheist side of the fence, I like to think I'd stand shoulder to shoulder with my religious friends and family and protest it to the greatest extent possible and work to get that law revoked. IN NO WAY to I want of force anyone to give up their beliefs, even if I disagree with them. As Voltaire is supposed to have said, "I may not agree with what you say but I will defend to the death your right to say it."

I don't believe you have any "religious friends" unless you talk to them a whole lot differently than you talk to the religious here.

Of course I do. They're my friends and we don't argue about religion. They know where I stand and don't try to convert me or convince me I'm wrong or stupid.

Ah, I see. Your personal definition of "religious". Given your demeanor here on the board, one wonders how they ever became your friends

I generally treat people as they treat me.

Generally? Why has this board been exempt?

I will be polite and respectful until I that respect is not returned. Not really a difficult concept for most.

You're obviously one of the exceptions.

All I want is for religious people to return to me and others who do not believe as they do the respect that they expect for their rights as citizens of our free, secular nation.

Are your "religious friends" part of the "religious people" you speak about above?

Yep, and all of them do just that.

Whooooooooshh!!!

We respect one another's viewpoint even though we disagree. I've never known one of them to protest gay marriage or try to get creationism taught in our local schools.

In other words, they call themselves "religious" but all believe and behave just like you. I get it.

No, they behave like decent, law abiding citizens who respect both the letter and spirit of the law and show their faith by living a more Chirst-like life. Something you might think about some time.

Funny that you're asking me to live the very life you say you oppose.

Their religion is personal and they like to keep it that way.

Unlike you who seek out a religious board to insult theists you imagine have committed some offense against you. Your confusion is airtight.

I come here to express a point of view with people who disagree. That's why it's called a debate site, or did you miss that?

No. I just think there is no reason to be rude, ignorant, and offensive to those with whom you disagree.

If you don't want to hear differing viewpoints,.......

And become just like you and your "religious friends"? No thanks. For me, "differing viewpoints" doesn't mean they all do only what I like.

....feel free to go to a religious site where they all think like you do.

I did that and the idiot atheists followed me here.
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5/11/2015 4:05:23 PM
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At 5/11/2015 3:55:54 PM, ethang5 wrote:
At 5/11/2015 3:40:21 PM, dhardage wrote:
At 5/11/2015 2:59:45 PM, ethang5 wrote:

Theists, what would you do if a law was passed tomorrow that made simply being atheist a crime, a felony with a lifetime prison sentence. Would you cheer? Would you be happy? Would you be horrified?

Not only horrified. I would disobey that law.

Atheists, what would you do if a law was passed that prohibited any and all worship of any kind? Would you be satisfied? Would you think that this was the best thing to ever happen? Would you instantly contact your government representatives and tear them a new one?

I think most "new atheists" or "antitheists" would be pleased.

I'm a 'new atheist' and I disagree.

Your posts on the forum argue against you.

So you said.

Being on the atheist side of the fence, I like to think I'd stand shoulder to shoulder with my religious friends and family and protest it to the greatest extent possible and work to get that law revoked. IN NO WAY to I want of force anyone to give up their beliefs, even if I disagree with them. As Voltaire is supposed to have said, "I may not agree with what you say but I will defend to the death your right to say it."

I don't believe you have any "religious friends" unless you talk to them a whole lot differently than you talk to the religious here.

Of course I do. They're my friends and we don't argue about religion. They know where I stand and don't try to convert me or convince me I'm wrong or stupid.

Ah, I see. Your personal definition of "religious". Given your demeanor here on the board, one wonders how they ever became your friends

I generally treat people as they treat me.

Generally? Why has this board been exempt?

It hasn't. When my opinion is treated with respect I treat the opposing opinion with respect.

I will be polite and respectful until I that respect is not returned. Not really a difficult concept for most.

You're obviously one of the exceptions.

All I want is for religious people to return to me and others who do not believe as they do the respect that they expect for their rights as citizens of our free, secular nation.

Are your "religious friends" part of the "religious people" you speak about above?

Yep, and all of them do just that.

Whooooooooshh!!!

We respect one another's viewpoint even though we disagree. I've never known one of them to protest gay marriage or try to get creationism taught in our local schools.

In other words, they call themselves "religious" but all believe and behave just like you. I get it.

No, they behave like decent, law abiding citizens who respect both the letter and spirit of the law and show their faith by living a more Chirst-like life. Something you might think about some time.

Funny that you're asking me to live the very life you say you oppose.

I never said I opposed living a Christ-like life. I advocate it strongly since he never condemned anyone except hypocrites and the like. He was grace incarnate and warned his follower not to judge others and to remove the planks in their own eye before speaking of the mote in their neighbor's eye. When he was the only one qualified to cast the first stone at the adultress, he chose instead to simply grant her grace and another chance. He never sought fame or fortune, never sought to make laws or force others to believe as he did. He lived a virtuous life and taught his beliefs without ceremony. I've said this before but it bears repeating. Mohandas Ghandi is reputed to have said. "I quite like your Christ. I do not like your Christians, they are so unlike him." Let Christians behave like Christ, with humility and forgiveness, demonstrating their faith by the way they live and not trying to impose it on anyone else and you'll never hear another complaint about the faith from me.

Their religion is personal and they like to keep it that way.

Unlike you who seek out a religious board to insult theists you imagine have committed some offense against you. Your confusion is airtight.

I come here to express a point of view with people who disagree. That's why it's called a debate site, or did you miss that?

No. I just think there is no reason to be rude, ignorant, and offensive to those with whom you disagree.

Then why are you so frequently all of those things to anyone who disagrees? As you say, your posts here argue against you.

If you don't want to hear differing viewpoints,.......

And become just like you and your "religious friends"? No thanks. For me, "differing viewpoints" doesn't mean they all do only what I like.

That makes no sense at all.

....feel free to go to a religious site where they all think like you do.

I did that and the idiot atheists followed me here.

Well, I can't speak for them. This is a debate site so either debate or leave. It's a simple decision, really.
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5/11/2015 4:59:44 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 5/11/2015 4:05:23 PM, dhardage wrote:
At 5/11/2015 3:55:54 PM, ethang5 wrote:

I generally treat people as they treat me.

Generally? Why has this board been exempt?

It hasn't.

Generally means more often than not.

When my opinion is treated with respect I treat the opposing opinion with respect.

That is untrue. If you truly believe this, you lack self-awareness to an alarming degree.

I will be polite and respectful until I that respect is not returned. Not really a difficult concept for most.

You're obviously one of the exceptions.

All I want is for religious people to return to me and others who do not believe as they do the respect that they expect for their rights as citizens of our free, secular nation.

Are your "religious friends" part of the "religious people" you speak about above?

Yep, and all of them do just that.

Whooooooooshh!!!

We respect one another's viewpoint even though we disagree. I've never known one of them to protest gay marriage or try to get creationism taught in our local schools.

In other words, they call themselves "religious" but all believe and behave just like you. I get it.

No, they behave like decent, law abiding citizens who respect both the letter and spirit of the law and show their faith by living a more Chirst-like life. Something you might think about some time.

Funny that you're asking me to live the very life you say you oppose.

I never said I opposed living a Christ-like life.

You oppose a Christ like life. Of course, you have your personal definition of a Christ like life, but you do oppose the one set out in the Bible.

I advocate it strongly since he never condemned anyone except hypocrites and the like.

He was able to do that because He wasn't a hypocrite, and He was omnipotent. Things not true of you.

He was grace incarnate and warned his follower not to judge others and to remove the planks in their own eye before speaking of the mote in their neighbor's eye. When he was the only one qualified to cast the first stone at the adultress, he chose instead to simply grant her grace and another chance. He never sought fame or fortune, never sought to make laws or force others to believe as he did. He lived a virtuous life and taught his beliefs without ceremony.

Yet you don't follow Him and want Christians not to openly encourage others to be this way. Funny huh?

I've said this before but it bears repeating. Mohandas Ghandi is reputed to have said. "I quite like your Christ. I do not like your Christians, they are so unlike him."

Was it a Christian who assassinated him? If he liked Christ, why did he not find Christ worthy to be emulated and believed?

Let Christians behave like Christ, with humility and forgiveness, demonstrating their faith by the way they live and not trying to impose it on anyone else and you'll never hear another complaint about the faith from me.

Liar. You would still complain. And you need to behave with humility and forgiveness also. It is in fact Christ you hate. The more one behaves like Him, the more you'd hate them.

Their religion is personal and they like to keep it that way.

Christ's religion wasn't "personal". At least not the Christ in the Bible.

Unlike you who seek out a religious board to insult theists you imagine have committed some offense against you. Your confusion is airtight.

I come here to express a point of view with people who disagree. That's why it's called a debate site, or did you miss that?

No. I just think there is no reason to be rude, ignorant, and offensive to those with whom you disagree.

Then why are you so frequently all of those things to anyone who disagrees?

Check my posts. I am never rude with someone who is polite and respectful. But atheist barge into the site with the idea that theism deserves ridicule and abuse. They have said so here. They are so knee-jerkedly rude, that sometimes the person they have started being abusive to has to say, "Dude, I'm an atheist and I'm agreeing with you!"

And just as Paul was sent to the gentiles, I was sent to the Trolls. The idiots who think they can be rude and obnoxious while Christians have to "turn the other cheek". You think it's because we disagree, no, it's because the person has been needlessly rude and idiotic, and most times not to me.

If you don't want to hear differing viewpoints,.......

And become just like you and your "religious friends"? No thanks. For me, "differing viewpoints" doesn't mean they all do only what I like.

That makes no sense at all.

You should have thought about it more before you posted it then.

....feel free to go to a religious site where they all think like you do.

I did that and the idiot atheists followed me here.

Well, I can't speak for them.

You can speak for at least one of them.

This is a debate site so either debate or leave. It's a simple decision, really.

How about the theists stay on the religious board an the atheists leave?

I know, I know. Who would you hypothetically hate then?
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5/11/2015 5:21:08 PM
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At 5/11/2015 3:28:25 PM, MadCornishBiker wrote:

There are many JWs preaching in lands where it is illegal to do so, and where the sentence should they be caught is death.

They also remember Jesus words about being obedient to death if necessary.

Sheer madness. Their insanity knows no bounds. They go to cause as much conflict as they possibly can, in places where the law has penalties of death, but they offend, notwithstanding.

Beyond bat sh1t crazy.
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5/11/2015 5:28:10 PM
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At 5/8/2015 4:21:12 PM, dhardage wrote:
Theists, what would you do if a law was passed tomorrow that made simply being atheist a crime, a felony with a lifetime prison sentence. Would you cheer? Would you be happy? Would you be horrified?

Atheists, what would you do if a law was passed that prohibited any and all worship of any kind? Would you be satisfied? Would you think that this was the best thing to ever happen? Would you instantly contact your government representatives and tear them a new one?

Being on the atheist side of the fence, I like to think I'd stand shoulder to shoulder with my religious friends and family and protest it to the greatest extent possible and work to get that law revoked. IN NO WAY to I want of force anyone to give up their beliefs, even if I disagree with them. As Voltaire is supposed to have said, "I may not agree with what you say but I will defend to the death your right to say it."

All I want is for religious people to return to me and others who do not believe as they do the respect that they expect for their rights as citizens of our free, secular nation.

I'm a Christian, but I wouldn't be happy if being an atheist was a crime. I mean we are human. People are entitled to their own opinion. They chose what they want to believe and how they live their life. Nobody should tell them otherwise.
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5/11/2015 5:29:21 PM
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At 5/11/2015 1:52:45 PM, DanneJeRusse wrote:
At 5/8/2015 4:21:12 PM, dhardage wrote:
Theists, what would you do if a law was passed tomorrow that made simply being atheist a crime, a felony with a lifetime prison sentence. Would you cheer? Would you be happy? Would you be horrified?

Atheists, what would you do if a law was passed that prohibited any and all worship of any kind? Would you be satisfied? Would you think that this was the best thing to ever happen? Would you instantly contact your government representatives and tear them a new one?

Only if the law stated that no religious conviction of any kind can be held in public or can affect anyone in any way. Other than that, theists are free to believe any nonsense they want, just keep it behind closed doors where it belongs.

You must be a bigoted atheist to support a move that stifles a public display of religious conviction.
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5/11/2015 6:01:48 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 5/11/2015 5:29:21 PM, Iredia wrote:
At 5/11/2015 1:52:45 PM, DanneJeRusse wrote:
At 5/8/2015 4:21:12 PM, dhardage wrote:
Theists, what would you do if a law was passed tomorrow that made simply being atheist a crime, a felony with a lifetime prison sentence. Would you cheer? Would you be happy? Would you be horrified?

Atheists, what would you do if a law was passed that prohibited any and all worship of any kind? Would you be satisfied? Would you think that this was the best thing to ever happen? Would you instantly contact your government representatives and tear them a new one?

Only if the law stated that no religious conviction of any kind can be held in public or can affect anyone in any way. Other than that, theists are free to believe any nonsense they want, just keep it behind closed doors where it belongs.

You must be a bigoted atheist to support a move that stifles a public display of religious conviction.

Why would any believer want to turn their personal, private, eerie, relationship with their cult into a public spectacle? It's bad enough you have grotesque meeting places to worship littering up the landscape taking up valuable living space operating tax free. At the very least, you could keep your nonsense behind those closed doors.
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5/11/2015 9:06:31 PM
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At 5/11/2015 6:01:48 PM, DanneJeRusse wrote:
At 5/11/2015 5:29:21 PM, Iredia wrote:
At 5/11/2015 1:52:45 PM, DanneJeRusse wrote:
At 5/8/2015 4:21:12 PM, dhardage wrote:
Theists, what would you do if a law was passed tomorrow that made simply being atheist a crime, a felony with a lifetime prison sentence. Would you cheer? Would you be happy? Would you be horrified?

Atheists, what would you do if a law was passed that prohibited any and all worship of any kind? Would you be satisfied? Would you think that this was the best thing to ever happen? Would you instantly contact your government representatives and tear them a new one?

Only if the law stated that no religious conviction of any kind can be held in public or can affect anyone in any way. Other than that, theists are free to believe any nonsense they want, just keep it behind closed doors where it belongs.

You must be a bigoted atheist to support a move that stifles a public display of religious conviction.

Why would any believer want to turn their personal, private, eerie, relationship with their cult into a public spectacle? It's bad enough you have grotesque meeting places to worship littering up the landscape taking up valuable living space operating tax free. At the very least, you could keep your nonsense behind those closed doors. : :

At the very least, they could pay taxes so the governments that collect them could continue helping poor people in this world.
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5/12/2015 3:47:12 AM
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At 5/11/2015 9:06:31 PM, baddebater wrote:
At 5/11/2015 6:01:48 PM, DanneJeRusse wrote:
At 5/11/2015 5:29:21 PM, Iredia wrote:
At 5/11/2015 1:52:45 PM, DanneJeRusse wrote:
At 5/8/2015 4:21:12 PM, dhardage wrote:
Theists, what would you do if a law was passed tomorrow that made simply being atheist a crime, a felony with a lifetime prison sentence. Would you cheer? Would you be happy? Would you be horrified?

Atheists, what would you do if a law was passed that prohibited any and all worship of any kind? Would you be satisfied? Would you think that this was the best thing to ever happen? Would you instantly contact your government representatives and tear them a new one?

Only if the law stated that no religious conviction of any kind can be held in public or can affect anyone in any way. Other than that, theists are free to believe any nonsense they want, just keep it behind closed doors where it belongs.

You must be a bigoted atheist to support a move that stifles a public display of religious conviction.

Why would any believer want to turn their personal, private, eerie, relationship with their cult into a public spectacle? It's bad enough you have grotesque meeting places to worship littering up the landscape taking up valuable living space operating tax free. At the very least, you could keep your nonsense behind those closed doors. : :

At the very least, they could pay taxes so the governments that collect them could continue helping poor people in this world.

All JWs pay their taxes in full, they obey Jesus command to "pay Caesar's things to Caesar".
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5/12/2015 3:53:51 AM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 5/11/2015 5:21:08 PM, DanneJeRusse wrote:
At 5/11/2015 3:28:25 PM, MadCornishBiker wrote:

There are many JWs preaching in lands where it is illegal to do so, and where the sentence should they be caught is death.

They also remember Jesus words about being obedient to death if necessary.

Sheer madness. Their insanity knows no bounds. They go to cause as much conflict as they possibly can, in places where the law has penalties of death, but they offend, notwithstanding.

Beyond bat sh1t crazy.

A typical Dangermouse comment.

Just like any JW, conflict is the last thing they want, hence they are as discrete as possible, but as Jesus said it would be, it is an inevitable result as long as there are people like you to bring the conflict to them.

And you don't even have the guts or honesty to admit that it is your aggressive responses that cause the conflict.

As proof, there are many people on here who don't agree with me, some very strongly, but with whom I have no conflict whatever, and they are far more deserving of respect than those who, like you, bring conflict in their wake and don't have the moral courage to admit it is their doing.

The difference being I suppose, that they believe in freedom of speech and religion whereas deep inside you don't.
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5/12/2015 3:56:45 AM
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At 5/11/2015 5:29:21 PM, Iredia wrote:
At 5/11/2015 1:52:45 PM, DanneJeRusse wrote:
At 5/8/2015 4:21:12 PM, dhardage wrote:
Theists, what would you do if a law was passed tomorrow that made simply being atheist a crime, a felony with a lifetime prison sentence. Would you cheer? Would you be happy? Would you be horrified?

Atheists, what would you do if a law was passed that prohibited any and all worship of any kind? Would you be satisfied? Would you think that this was the best thing to ever happen? Would you instantly contact your government representatives and tear them a new one?

Only if the law stated that no religious conviction of any kind can be held in public or can affect anyone in any way. Other than that, theists are free to believe any nonsense they want, just keep it behind closed doors where it belongs.

You must be a bigoted atheist to support a move that stifles a public display of religious conviction.

Very much so, and not only that but Dangermouse is such a coward that he can't even admit to himself that it is such as eh who cause the conflict, whereas many others on here who don't agree with me, just leave me to get along with it and either ignore me, or, if I comment on one of their posts simply give me a polite, adult, rebuttal, and we agree to disagree.
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5/12/2015 5:08:20 AM
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At 5/8/2015 4:21:12 PM, dhardage wrote:
Theists, what would you do if a law was passed tomorrow that made simply being atheist a crime, a felony with a lifetime prison sentence. Would you cheer? Would you be happy? Would you be horrified?

Atheists, what would you do if a law was passed that prohibited any and all worship of any kind? Would you be satisfied? Would you think that this was the best thing to ever happen? Would you instantly contact your government representatives and tear them a new one?

Being on the atheist side of the fence, I like to think I'd stand shoulder to shoulder with my religious friends and family and protest it to the greatest extent possible and work to get that law revoked. IN NO WAY to I want of force anyone to give up their beliefs, even if I disagree with them. As Voltaire is supposed to have said, "I may not agree with what you say but I will defend to the death your right to say it."

All I want is for religious people to return to me and others who do not believe as they do the respect that they expect for their rights as citizens of our free, secular nation.

This is a kind of extreme question - it's like picking between the Nazis and the Communists. They're both bad, because they're too extreme. You're not allowing a middle ground. I would not be in support of either law.
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5/12/2015 5:21:57 AM
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At 5/12/2015 5:08:20 AM, YoshiBoy13 wrote:
At 5/8/2015 4:21:12 PM, dhardage wrote:
Theists, what would you do if a law was passed tomorrow that made simply being atheist a crime, a felony with a lifetime prison sentence. Would you cheer? Would you be happy? Would you be horrified?

Atheists, what would you do if a law was passed that prohibited any and all worship of any kind? Would you be satisfied? Would you think that this was the best thing to ever happen? Would you instantly contact your government representatives and tear them a new one?

Being on the atheist side of the fence, I like to think I'd stand shoulder to shoulder with my religious friends and family and protest it to the greatest extent possible and work to get that law revoked. IN NO WAY to I want of force anyone to give up their beliefs, even if I disagree with them. As Voltaire is supposed to have said, "I may not agree with what you say but I will defend to the death your right to say it."

All I want is for religious people to return to me and others who do not believe as they do the respect that they expect for their rights as citizens of our free, secular nation.

This is a kind of extreme question - it's like picking between the Nazis and the Communists. They're both bad, because they're too extreme. You're not allowing a middle ground. I would not be in support of either law.

"Those who walk the middle of the road, inevitably get run over by events" Sorry, can't remember who said it.

The middle ground is the bit that opens up in an earthquake and swallows all who are on it.

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5/12/2015 6:36:08 AM
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At 5/8/2015 4:21:12 PM, dhardage wrote:
Atheists, what would you do if a law was passed that prohibited any and all worship of any kind? Would you be satisfied? Would you think that this was the best thing to ever happen? Would you instantly contact your government representatives and tear them a new one?

The latter, though in irritation.

At balance here is protecting citizens from religious hegemonism vs. protecting them from a law that I think would be immoral, tyrannous and unenforceable.

Religious hegemonism is where people of particular faiths club together to take over. This happens in (for example) seeking to introduce mandatory prayer in schools and workplaces, or enshrining worship in the civic rituals of legislatures and courts. Some of it has historical antecedents, but seeking to renew it is an attempt to undermine secularism. When it gets egregious, I can see the need for law against it,

But that's not this case. This case forbids worship privately or publicly at all, regardless of whether everyone attending is like-mined, or whether it intrudes on the peaceful activities of others. Such a law would necessarily probe into every ritual artistic performance; it'd hold citizens accountable for what they'd been taught; persecute people who've done no harm to anyone; and would have far greater impacts than intended.

I'd oppose it, though I can't see myself turning up at a prayer-meeting protest.
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5/12/2015 7:31:19 AM
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At 5/8/2015 4:21:12 PM, dhardage wrote:
Theists, what would you do if a law was passed tomorrow that made simply being atheist a crime, a felony with a lifetime prison sentence. Would you cheer? Would you be happy? Would you be horrified?

Atheists, what would you do if a law was passed that prohibited any and all worship of any kind? Would you be satisfied? Would you think that this was the best thing to ever happen? Would you instantly contact your government representatives and tear them a new one?

Being on the atheist side of the fence, I like to think I'd stand shoulder to shoulder with my religious friends and family and protest it to the greatest extent possible and work to get that law revoked. IN NO WAY to I want of force anyone to give up their beliefs, even if I disagree with them. As Voltaire is supposed to have said, "I may not agree with what you say but I will defend to the death your right to say it."

All I want is for religious people to return to me and others who do not believe as they do the respect that they expect for their rights as citizens of our free, secular nation.

In Jehovah's eyes being an atheist is already a crime, what man does about that is his business, but God will act accordingly when the time comes.
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5/12/2015 7:36:23 AM
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At 5/12/2015 7:31:19 AM, MadCornishBiker wrote:
At 5/8/2015 4:21:12 PM, dhardage wrote:
Theists, what would you do if a law was passed tomorrow that made simply being atheist a crime, a felony with a lifetime prison sentence. Would you cheer? Would you be happy? Would you be horrified?

Atheists, what would you do if a law was passed that prohibited any and all worship of any kind? Would you be satisfied? Would you think that this was the best thing to ever happen? Would you instantly contact your government representatives and tear them a new one?

Being on the atheist side of the fence, I like to think I'd stand shoulder to shoulder with my religious friends and family and protest it to the greatest extent possible and work to get that law revoked. IN NO WAY to I want of force anyone to give up their beliefs, even if I disagree with them. As Voltaire is supposed to have said, "I may not agree with what you say but I will defend to the death your right to say it."

All I want is for religious people to return to me and others who do not believe as they do the respect that they expect for their rights as citizens of our free, secular nation.

In Jehovah's eyes being an atheist is already a crime, what man does about that is his business, but God will act accordingly when the time comes.
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5/12/2015 8:53:53 AM
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At 5/12/2015 3:47:12 AM, MadCornishBiker wrote:
At 5/11/2015 9:06:31 PM, baddebater wrote:
At 5/11/2015 6:01:48 PM, DanneJeRusse wrote:
At 5/11/2015 5:29:21 PM, Iredia wrote:
At 5/11/2015 1:52:45 PM, DanneJeRusse wrote:
At 5/8/2015 4:21:12 PM, dhardage wrote:
Theists, what would you do if a law was passed tomorrow that made simply being atheist a crime, a felony with a lifetime prison sentence. Would you cheer? Would you be happy? Would you be horrified?

Atheists, what would you do if a law was passed that prohibited any and all worship of any kind? Would you be satisfied? Would you think that this was the best thing to ever happen? Would you instantly contact your government representatives and tear them a new one?

Only if the law stated that no religious conviction of any kind can be held in public or can affect anyone in any way. Other than that, theists are free to believe any nonsense they want, just keep it behind closed doors where it belongs.

You must be a bigoted atheist to support a move that stifles a public display of religious conviction.

Why would any believer want to turn their personal, private, eerie, relationship with their cult into a public spectacle? It's bad enough you have grotesque meeting places to worship littering up the landscape taking up valuable living space operating tax free. At the very least, you could keep your nonsense behind those closed doors. : :

At the very least, they could pay taxes so the governments that collect them could continue helping poor people in this world.

All JWs pay their taxes in full, they obey Jesus command to "pay Caesar's things to Caesar". : :

I wasn't talking about each individual who is forced to pay income taxes and other taxes. I was talking about individual churches who are exempt to pay taxes on the gathering of charities. Besides, how much of the wealth collected in charities by both governments and churches is used to help the poor of this world?