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NicholasWeeks
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5/11/2015 6:39:56 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
Blavatsky put it this way:

The assertion that "Theosophy is not a Religion," by no means excludes the fact that "Theosophy is Religion" itself. A Religion in the true and only correct sense, is a bond uniting men together"not a particular set of dogmas and beliefs. Now Religion, per se, in its widest meaning is that which binds not only all MEN, but also all BEINGS and all things in the entire Universe into one grand whole. This is our theosophical definition of religion...

This Theos Sophia or godly wisdom is at the core or heart of us all.
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5/11/2015 8:28:15 PM
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At 5/11/2015 6:39:56 PM, NicholasWeeks wrote:
Blavatsky put it this way:

The assertion that "Theosophy is not a Religion," by no means excludes the fact that "Theosophy is Religion" itself. A Religion in the true and only correct sense, is a bond uniting men together"not a particular set of dogmas and beliefs. Now Religion, per se, in its widest meaning is that which binds not only all MEN, but also all BEINGS and all things in the entire Universe into one grand whole. This is our theosophical definition of religion...

This Theos Sophia or godly wisdom is at the core or heart of us all. : :

Anything built with human hands is the beginning of a new religion. It takes new sets of knowledge to produce and experience a new invention or architectural wonder. The hierarchy starts with the one who got the original thoughts in his mind to build a new thing. This person becomes the king of the clan who helps him build it.
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5/11/2015 9:25:53 PM
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At 5/11/2015 6:39:56 PM, NicholasWeeks wrote:
Blavatsky put it this way:
The assertion that "Theosophy is not a Religion," by no means excludes the fact that "Theosophy is Religion" itself.
Perhaps it is religion, Nicholas, in the sense that it claims insights it can't substantiate, is laced with the ignorance, errors and the bigotry of its times, and tries to hide its mistakes. For example:

Mankind is obviously divided into god-informed men and lower human creatures. The intellectual difference between the Aryan and other civilized nations and such savages as the South Sea Islanders, is inexplicable on any other grounds. No amount of culture, nor generations of training amid civilization, could raise such human specimens as the Bushmen, the Veddhas of Ceylon, and some African tribes, to the same intellectual level as the Aryans, the Semites, and the Turanians so called. The "sacred spark" is missing in them and it is they who are the only inferior races on the globe, now happily " owing to the wise adjustment of nature which ever works in that direction " fast dying out. Verily mankind is "of one blood," but not of the same essence. We are the hot-house, artificially quickened plants in nature, having in us a spark, which in them is latent.
-- The Sacred Doctrine, Volume 2: Anthropogenesis, p241

Moreover, a good test for whether people actually have the expertise to acquire robust knowledge is whether, after diligent investigation, their differences of opinion begin to reconcile. This happens all the time in science in field after field, but has not happened in Theosophy. Like doctrinal religions the world over, Theosophy has split and resplit on dogmatic differences, never to reconcile.

Whether esoteric creeds are or are not religions may be a matter of sociological semantics, but doctrinal esoterica like Theosophy certainly looks and quacks like a duck.
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5/11/2015 10:11:14 PM
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baddebater, The point is that Blavatsky did not invent or create but just passed on what she was taught. The ancient wisdom tradition being that great sages discovered that the One Life within us is also pervading the universe.
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5/11/2015 10:17:31 PM
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ruvdraba, The theosophical groups splits had little to do with doctrine, but personalities like Besant, Leadbeater and AA Bailey who ignored Blavatsky and her gurus. They preferred their own psychic 'insights' upon which they built their own 'doctrine' - if you wish to call it that.

As for intellectual differences, even chasms, between groups, if you think they are nonexistent or not important or fabricated - so be it.
The One Life pervades all human vessels and the intellect is just one aspect of that One Life.
NicholasWeeks
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5/11/2015 10:35:58 PM
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Blavatsky's character was a much mystical & psychic as intellectual, more so I think. At any rate, here is her famous work on the inner path, The Voice of the Silence:

http://www.philaletheians.co.uk...
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5/11/2015 11:01:50 PM
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At 5/11/2015 10:17:31 PM, NicholasWeeks wrote:
The theosophical groups splits had little to do with doctrine, but personalities like Besant, Leadbeater and AA Bailey who ignored Blavatsky and her gurus. They preferred their own psychic 'insights' upon which they built their own 'doctrine' - if you wish to call it that.

...doctrines every bit as legitimate as any other doctrine claiming authority it can't substantiate (which is to say, not very.)

In theosophy as in theism, the reasons doctrine fails to stablise and cohere are that anyone can claim revelation from some greater but unsubstantiated authority, everyone avoids transparency of method, and everyone evades accountability for error.

So of course they'll fracture, proliferate and never reconcile. Bunkum can't debunk other bunkum when it holds to no better standard of evidence itself.
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5/11/2015 11:13:43 PM
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At 5/11/2015 11:01:50 PM, RuvDraba wrote:
At 5/11/2015 10:17:31 PM, NicholasWeeks wrote:
The theosophical groups splits had little to do with doctrine, but personalities like Besant, Leadbeater and AA Bailey who ignored Blavatsky and her gurus. They preferred their own psychic 'insights' upon which they built their own 'doctrine' - if you wish to call it that.

...doctrines every bit as legitimate as any other doctrine claiming authority it can't substantiate (which is to say, not very.)

In theosophy as in theism, the reasons doctrine fails to stablise and cohere are that anyone can claim revelation from some greater but unsubstantiated authority, everyone avoids transparency of method, and everyone evades accountability for error.

So of course they'll fracture, proliferate and never reconcile. Bunkum can't debunk other bunkum when it holds to no better standard of evidence itself.

Assuming you have studied HPB's major works or maybe WQ Judge's and that is how you reduce Theosophy to bunkum. You must have missed a few pages though. Blavatsky's gurus were atheistic Buddhists, as was she - no theism there at all.
NicholasWeeks
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5/12/2015 9:07:54 AM
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QUESTION: I would like to ask where and what is the place of God in the Theosophical scheme of things.

ANSWER [by G. de Purucker]: This question has often been asked. In order properly to answer it, let us choose the Socratic method, and ask the questioner a question. How can this querent expect to obtain a clear answer to his question until the question itself has more definiteness to it, and a more perfect outline?

In the first place, what is meant by 'God'? Is it the God of the Christians which is meant, or the God of the Hebrews? Is it the God of the Brahmans? Is it the God of the native American Indian? Is it the God of the Eskimo? Is it the God of the Druid, or is it the Zeus of the Greek, or the Jupiter of the Roman, and so forth? You ask a question, and tacitly suppose that 'God' conveys an idea sufficiently clear and definite to all men, whereas history shows us that there never was a question on which men differ so greatly as upon the answers they might give as regards the nature of the Divine.

We may briefly say first, that for such national or theoretical gods as those above alluded to, be they one or be they many, and which are the offsprings of man's religious imagination, the Theosophical philosophy has absolutely no place. Theosophy deals with realities, and not with men's mere beliefs or imaginings about infinites or supposed infinites.

The very heart of the Theosophical Religion-Philosophy-Science, is the Divine, as we call it, because we must call it by some name in order to let others know what we are talking about. Concerning the thing itself, the Theosophical philosophy is likewise extremely precise, definite, and runs straight to the point. Our conception of the Divine is an absolutely limitless Life - for we must give it some name that our human brains can understand. This Universal Life is the source and origin of everything, of all beings, and of all worlds; the best qualification of it that perhaps could be given to it would be comprised in the one word 'Space.' Space comprises everything, because it is everything. There is nothing outside of it, therefore it is the ALL.

Space, as Theosophists use the word, does not mean mere extension of matter. It means everything that ever was, that is, or that ever will be, visible and invisible, small and great, on all planes, because all these are comprised in the abstract meaning which we give to the word Space. It is not mere limitless extension; nor is the Divine a stock or a stone; but all these are in the Divine, so to say, and partakers of the Universal Life, which it is. Can you think of anything which is outside of Space? Of course not.

But our God is not a personal God, obviously not. It never was not and it never will cease to be. It neither thinks, nor feels, nor acts, because all these actions are predicates of finite entities such as men. The Zeus of the ancient Greeks, or the Jehovah of the ancient Hebrews, who thundered and lightened, are in either case a conception of the Divine which, in our majestical Theosophical philosophy, seems not merely grotesque to us, but downright blasphemous.

May we not say, therefore, that the Divine, Universal Life, Space, is neither conscious nor unconscious, neither active nor inactive? A long string of such hypothetical contraries might be enumerated, all of them expressing human emotional or mental actions; but what good would it do? Assuredly these cannot be ascribed to the Divine, to That which is at once limitless and endlessly enduring. All such contraries are but descriptions of human imaginings, taking their root and rise in our own limited human consciousness.

We are conscious, and in our egoism, we imagine that the stock or the stone is unconscious. Theosophy teaches us better. All entities and things are offsprings of the Universal Life, and each, in its way and manner, and to the fullest extent of its capacity, contains all that we do as enlightened human beings - in other words, each contains all in germ.

These differences among entities arise out of the various stages of evolution which they have respectively attained. Some things are more advanced than others, and manifest thereby the more fully the inner potencies, faculties, powers, call them what you like, which are at the heart or core of every human being, and of every other entity or being or thing.

Hence, answering the question more directly, in view of the foregoing necessary explanation, it may be said with perfect truth, and said emphatically, that the Theosophical philosophy has no 'God,' as that word is commonly understood by people who do not think, and who therefore imagine that ideas which have become popularized by time, and which throw one's intuitions of the Divine into a chaos of contradictions, must contain some essence of reality, some essential truth.

Not so very long ago, men thought that the sun moved around the earth, and that the stars in the splendid, dark-blue vault of midnight were sparkling light-points placed there by a personal God in order to proclaim his own greatness to his erring and sinning children on earth. We know better now. No, such a God, or a God of any such kind, has no place in our Doctrine of Truth.

Nevertheless, no one can equal the Theosophist in the unspeakably profound reverence which fills his heart as he endeavors to raise his spirit in awe in contemplation of the Divine. It is our Source whence we came and whither we are journeying on our re-turn pilgrimage to it; we issued forth from the 'Bosom of the Divine' - if we may use easily understood terms - as unselfconscious God-sparks, and shall return to it as fully self-conscious gods, thereafter to take a god-like part in the great Cosmic Labor. We are even now co-operating instruments, or rather co-operating agencies, in the fulfilment of the great Cosmic Work, to the extent of our capacity.
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5/12/2015 9:13:14 AM
Posted: 1 year ago
Metaphysical woo that has no meaning in the real world, mental masturbation that feels good and produces nothing.
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5/12/2015 3:11:19 PM
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At 5/11/2015 10:11:14 PM, NicholasWeeks wrote:
baddebater, The point is that Blavatsky did not invent or create but just passed on what she was taught. The ancient wisdom tradition being that great sages discovered that the One Life within us is also pervading the universe.

Blavasky was a racist and her Theosophy was aligned with Aryan White Brotherhood racists who became Nazis. Hitler himself was included in the Thule Group of this Aryan White Brotherhood racist nonsense. These people stood for hidden Elites running things behind everyone's back because to show their cards plainly would be to show themselves as racists, which they were.

Theosophy was too tainted with Hinduism and Eastern religion to appeal to Westerners in the Judeo-Christian traditions. So it died out, along with Krishnamurti as these philosophies do not have God behind them, never did.

Celestial Torah Christianity is alive and well and will be replacing Pauline Christianity when the heads of churches realize the Bible stories cannot be defended as history of Jews to form the basis of Pauline Christianity.
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5/12/2015 4:08:13 PM
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celestialtt,

Your first graph is nonsense and reveals ignorance of Blavatsky's theosophy.

You are also, as the rest of the respondents, missing the idea that Theosophy as Divine Wisdom or Ageless Wisdom pre-dates HP Blavatsky. She brought forward an outline of the altruistic ethics and doctrine that even Xtianity has buried within.
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5/12/2015 4:58:54 PM
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At 5/12/2015 3:11:19 PM, celestialtorahteacher wrote:
At 5/11/2015 10:11:14 PM, NicholasWeeks wrote:
baddebater, The point is that Blavatsky did not invent or create but just passed on what she was taught. The ancient wisdom tradition being that great sages discovered that the One Life within us is also pervading the universe.

Blavasky was a racist and her Theosophy was aligned with Aryan White Brotherhood racists who became Nazis. Hitler himself was included in the Thule Group of this Aryan White Brotherhood racist nonsense. These people stood for hidden Elites running things behind everyone's back because to show their cards plainly would be to show themselves as racists, which they were.

Theosophy was too tainted with Hinduism and Eastern religion to appeal to Westerners in the Judeo-Christian traditions. So it died out, along with Krishnamurti as these philosophies do not have God behind them, never did.

Celestial Torah Christianity is alive and well and will be replacing Pauline Christianity when the heads of churches realize the Bible stories cannot be defended as history of Jews to form the basis of Pauline Christianity.

If you are right. Why are there more Theosophical Societies around the world than there are Celestial Torah Christianity centres?

Here are a few.

AMERICA, AUSTRALIA, GERMANY. AUSTRIA, NETHERLANDS, NIGERIA, SOUTH AFRICA, SWEDEN, UNITED KINGDOM
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5/13/2015 4:26:42 PM
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Here are some of the basic ideas of Theosophy. Farthing based them on Blavatsky and her gurus' teachings.
Of course most of them are not unique to Blavatsky, for they can be found in many differing spiritual paths and religions.

http://blavatskyarchives.com...
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5/13/2015 5:11:46 PM
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At 5/11/2015 11:13:43 PM, NicholasWeeks wrote:
At 5/11/2015 11:01:50 PM, RuvDraba wrote:
In theosophy as in theism, the reasons doctrine fails to stablise and cohere are that anyone can claim revelation from some greater but unsubstantiated authority, everyone avoids transparency of method, and everyone evades accountability for error.
So of course they'll fracture, proliferate and never reconcile. Bunkum can't debunk other bunkum when it holds to no better standard of evidence itself.
Assuming you have studied HPB's major works or maybe WQ Judge's and that is how you reduce Theosophy to bunkum. You must have missed a few pages though. Blavatsky's gurus were atheistic Buddhists, as was she - no theism there at all.
The theological methods of theism appear in Theosophy as well as many forms of Buddhism, and include appeals to revelation, appeals to historical authorities with unsubstantiated claims to insight and expertise, and historical revisionism privileging these claims.

This is essentially all theistic dogmas do to claim their authority, except they also posit a deity to reward submission, and enforce the authority claimed. So as I said, Theosophy might not be a duck etymologically, but it looks, quacks and acts the same cladistically.

Consequently, for atheists familiar with Theosophy, the reason they reject it is often the same reason they may reject the more esoteric claims in Buddhism: it's rejection of confected claims to spiritual authority that characterises modern atheism far more than doubt regarding metaphysical beings.

I hope that may be useful.
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5/13/2015 7:30:16 PM
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ruvdraba: "historical authorities with unsubstantiated claims to insight and expertise"

What would be examples of 'substantiated claims to insight and expertise' etc.?
If you accept (or know of) none, then I suppose you are just a conventional materialistic atheist, rather than a philosophical one like a Jain or Buddhist?
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5/13/2015 9:45:30 PM
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At 5/12/2015 4:08:13 PM, NicholasWeeks wrote:
celestialtt,

Your first graph is nonsense and reveals ignorance of Blavatsky's theosophy.

You are also, as the rest of the respondents, missing the idea that Theosophy as Divine Wisdom or Ageless Wisdom pre-dates HP Blavatsky. She brought forward an outline of the altruistic ethics and doctrine that even Xtianity has buried within.

From Wikipedia on Root Races: "Blavatsky asserted humanity was in the fifth root race, the Aryan race, which Theosophists believe to have emerged from the previous fourth root race (Atlantean root race) beginning about 100,000 years ago in Atlantis. (According to Powell, when Madame Blavatsky stated the Aryan root race was 1,000,000 years old, she meant that the souls of the people that later physically incarnated as the first Aryans about 100,000 years ago began to incarnate in the bodies of Atlanteans 1,000,000 years ago.[13] However, another way of interpreting this is that Nature began to create the Aryan race before the final cataclysms.) Theosophists believe the Aryan root race was physically progenerated by the Vaivasvatu Manu, one of the Masters of the Ancient Wisdom. The present-day ethnic group most closely related to the new race is the Kabyle. The small band of only 9,000 people constituting the then small Aryan root race migrated out of Atlantis in 79,797 BC. The bards of the new white root-race poetically referred to the new race as being moon-colored.[25] A small group of these Aryan migrants from Atlantis split from the main body of migrants and went south to the shore of an inland sea in what was then a verdant and lush Sahara where they founded the "City of the Sun". The main body of migrants continued onwards to an island called the "white island" in the middle of what was then an inland sea in what is now the Gobi desert, where they established the "City of the Bridge".[21] (The "City of the Bridge" was constructed directly below the etheric city called Shamballa where Theosophists believe the governing deity of Earth, Sanat Kumara, dwells; thus, the ongoing evolution of the Aryan root race has been divinely guided by the being Theosophists call "The Lord of the World".)

The esoteric name of the whole of the present land surface of Earth, i.e. the World Island, the Americas, the Australian continent and Antarctica taken as a whole is Krauncha.[8]

Generally speaking, a large percentage of the people who live in the time of the period of the fifth root race are part of the fifth root race. However Blavatsky also opines that some Semitic peoples have become "degenerate in spirituality". She asserted that some peoples descended from the Lemurians are "semi-animal creatures". These latter include "the Tasmanians, a portion of the Australians and a mountain tribe in China." There are also "considerable numbers of the mixed Lemuro-Atlantean peoples produced by various crossings with such semi-human stocks -- e.g., the wild men of Borneo, the Veddhas of Ceylon, most of the remaining Australians, Bushmen, Negritos, Andaman Islanders, etc."[26] All these aforementioned groups mentioned by Blavatsky except the purported "wild men of Borneo" (not to be confused with the famous circus duo, the Wild Men of Borneo) are part of what was in the late 19th and most of the 20th century was called the Australoid race (except for the Bushmen, part of the Capoid race), both of which races, as noted above, were believed by traditional Theosophists to have been descended from the Lemurian."

The Nazis and Theosophists fit together through their joint high opinion of the "Aryan" race, especially the white brotherood of Ascended Masters. It is a racially derived philosophy Blavasky promoted. And rather silly anthropology too I might add.

As for Theosophy ever gaining ground again, it had its day in Hollywood and Ojai and the Theosophy center there at Krotona is not alive, grounds going to pot as no young people join this dinosaur ideology that tried to supersede Christianity but couldn't because salvation is of the Jews, not Hindus.
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5/14/2015 7:28:02 AM
Posted: 1 year ago
celestialtt,
Wiki - no wonder you have dopey ideas.
Powell like many later pseudo-theosophists followed psychics like Leadbeater, not Blavatsky.

Dip into Universal Theosophy magazine that I gave the link to above. It will help to clear the fog - unless you prefer your comfortable miasma.
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5/14/2015 11:06:32 AM
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The leading notion of Theosophy is Unity; the basis for altruistic ethics and universal brotherhood.
Farthing outlines this idea:

1. The unity of all things

All existence is one thing. This one thing is variously called the One Life, the One Reality; it is the source of Being, and of all beings; it is in everything, in fact, it is everything, for there is nothing else.

" the root of all nature, objective and subjective, and everything else in the universe, visible and invisible, is, was, and ever will be one absolute essence, from which all starts, and into which everything returns."

In all subsequent study, this fundamental fact must never be lost from sight; all forms that come into being, from atoms to men, are animated by the same Life; the forms disintegrate, the Life remains. We human beings are one with it; our life is that Life.

Explaining how Theosophy views "God, Soul, and Man," Mme Blavatsky states:

"In their origin and in eternity the three, like the universe and all therein, are one with the absolute Unity, the unknowable deific essence "

[See what H.P. Blavatsky writes about the first fundamental proposition in The Secret Doctrine.]

Although for purposes of study we divide the field of Esoteric Science into various aspects, it must constantly be reaffirmed that the aspects are facets of a unity. The moment one lets this idea slip from the mind, "(and it is most easy to do so when engaged in any of the many intricate aspects of the Esoteric Philosophy) the idea of separation supervenes, and the study loses its value."
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5/15/2015 1:54:27 PM
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Theosophy is also a call to higher ethics:

"The tendency of modern civilization is a reaction towards animalism, towards a development of those qualities which conduce to the success in life of man as an animal in the struggle for animal existence. Theosophy seeks to develop the human nature in man in addition to the animal, and at the sacrifice of the superfluous animality which modern life and materialistic teachings have developed to a degree which is abnormal for the human being at this stage of his progress.

Men cannot all be Occultists, but they can all be Theosophists. Many who have never heard of the Society are Theosophists without knowing it themselves; for the essence of Theosophy is the perfect harmonizing of the divine with the human in man, the adjustment of his god-like qualities and aspirations, and their sway over the terrestrial or animal passions in him. Kindness, absence of every ill feeling or selfishness, charity, goodwill to all beings, and perfect justice to others as to oneself, are its chief features. He who teaches Theosophy preaches the gospel of goodwill; and the converse of this is true also " he who preaches the gospel of goodwill, teaches Theosophy."

HPB in her first letter to the American Conventions.
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6/2/2015 5:07:54 PM
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This universe is regarded by many modern astronomers as dead, except for a
little patch of life on this and possibly a few other planets. But according to the view
I am putting forward, which is also the ancient view, it is a universe of life. Life is
everywhere"even in the smallest speck"though manifested in different degrees,
matter being its vehicle or medium. Since you cannot ask for a material proof of a
non-material reality, any more than you can ask for proofs of the so-called geometry
of space, you have to regard this view"the essential independence of life"as a
hypothesis, which, the more you consider it in relation to facts of our experience,
confirms itself all the more.
If life is not a mere patch on matter, bound to consume itself like a brush-fire, and
if life is in every particle, then it is a universe of evolution. We know that life in any
form has this extraordinary quality, which not only grows, reproduces, and adapts,
but also brings out of a seemingly inexhaustible store new species, new capacities,
new ways and methods of action. In other words, it ascends.
Life means consciousness"the capacity to respond, to register, to be aware"and
consciousness gives rise to intelligence. Although we see this intelligence in the
activities of Nature, we see its unfettered action in man who constitutes at present,
at least in his own estimation, the summit of evolutionary progress. But is this the
summit or are there higher heights to be reached? The future will show.

From "Our Place in the Universe", by N. Sri Ram.
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11/28/2015 6:32:31 PM
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THERE is a hunger in the human heart for
beauty; there is a longing in the human
soul for harmony and for peace; there is an
unceasing aspiration in the human mind for an
understanding of the problems of the Universe;
and all these qualities of heart and soul and
mind are fundamentally one, arising out of that
amazing spiritual fire which dwells in the inmost
of the inmost of every human being, and
which is a reflexion in his human character of
the Divine Flame which is fundamentally the
Spiritual Man; and this flame is the core of
his being.
Men yearn for truth; they yearn for light;
they yearn for peace and happiness; and alas,
in how slight a degree is this divine hunger
satisfied! It is unsatisfied because men will not
self-consciously realize who they are, what they
are, in the core of themselves; their human consciousness
refuses to recognise the living existence
in them of this Divine Flame of the spirit.

G. de Purucker