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Have you ever had a spiritual experience?

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5/12/2015 4:50:23 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
I have. When I was 12, I heard a female voice from Heaven saying that everything would be okay. When I was 13, I had a dream that came true. When I was 22, I had another dream that came true. When I was little (I forget what age), I fell down a set of stairs without injury.
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5/12/2015 5:54:11 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 5/12/2015 4:50:23 PM, LiberalProlifer wrote:
I have. When I was 12, I heard a female voice from Heaven saying that everything would be okay. When I was 13, I had a dream that came true. When I was 22, I had another dream that came true. When I was little (I forget what age), I fell down a set of stairs without injury.

So, with all those invisible nudges; how come you still want Ron Paul to be President? Listening to the news might have served you better.
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5/12/2015 6:28:21 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 5/12/2015 4:50:23 PM, LiberalProlifer wrote:
I have. When I was 12, I heard a female voice from Heaven saying that everything would be okay. When I was 13, I had a dream that came true. When I was 22, I had another dream that came true. When I was little (I forget what age), I fell down a set of stairs without injury.

Wow. I never had a spiritual experience, and now see the world as a cold, dark place where we all ultimately live to die.
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5/12/2015 6:38:22 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 5/12/2015 6:28:21 PM, Pase66 wrote:
At 5/12/2015 4:50:23 PM, LiberalProlifer wrote:
I have. When I was 12, I heard a female voice from Heaven saying that everything would be okay. When I was 13, I had a dream that came true. When I was 22, I had another dream that came true. When I was little (I forget what age), I fell down a set of stairs without injury.

Wow. I never had a spiritual experience, and now see the world as a cold, dark place where we all ultimately live to die.

I am sorry you feel that way. Yeshua loves you. I agree that world is a cold dark place. Let Yeshua be your light. If He can love a bad person like me, He can and does love you. You sound like you have been through a lot. I have too. It does get better if you imnvite Yeshua to be your God. Let me know if you are interested.
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5/12/2015 6:48:44 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 5/12/2015 6:38:22 PM, LiberalProlifer wrote:
At 5/12/2015 6:28:21 PM, Pase66 wrote:
At 5/12/2015 4:50:23 PM, LiberalProlifer wrote:
I have. When I was 12, I heard a female voice from Heaven saying that everything would be okay. When I was 13, I had a dream that came true. When I was 22, I had another dream that came true. When I was little (I forget what age), I fell down a set of stairs without injury.

Wow. I never had a spiritual experience, and now see the world as a cold, dark place where we all ultimately live to die.

I am sorry you feel that way. Yeshua loves you. I agree that world is a cold dark place. Let Yeshua be your light. If He can love a bad person like me, He can and does love you. You sound like you have been through a lot. I have too. It does get better if you imnvite Yeshua to be your God. Let me know if you are interested.

I'm not a religious person, but I sincerely thank you for the offer. It's hard to find light that breaks through the darkness these days.
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LiberalProlifer
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5/12/2015 7:02:19 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 5/12/2015 6:48:44 PM, Pase66 wrote:
At 5/12/2015 6:38:22 PM, LiberalProlifer wrote:
At 5/12/2015 6:28:21 PM, Pase66 wrote:
At 5/12/2015 4:50:23 PM, LiberalProlifer wrote:
I have. When I was 12, I heard a female voice from Heaven saying that everything would be okay. When I was 13, I had a dream that came true. When I was 22, I had another dream that came true. When I was little (I forget what age), I fell down a set of stairs without injury.

Wow. I never had a spiritual experience, and now see the world as a cold, dark place where we all ultimately live to die.

I am sorry you feel that way. Yeshua loves you. I agree that world is a cold dark place. Let Yeshua be your light. If He can love a bad person like me, He can and does love you. You sound like you have been through a lot. I have too. It does get better if you imnvite Yeshua to be your God. Let me know if you are interested.

I'm not a religious person, but I sincerely thank you for the offer. It's hard to find light that breaks through the darkness these days.

You are welcome. I hope you find happiness. Do you have depression? I do. It sucks.
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5/12/2015 7:48:13 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 5/12/2015 7:02:19 PM, LiberalProlifer wrote:
At 5/12/2015 6:48:44 PM, Pase66 wrote:
At 5/12/2015 6:38:22 PM, LiberalProlifer wrote:
At 5/12/2015 6:28:21 PM, Pase66 wrote:
At 5/12/2015 4:50:23 PM, LiberalProlifer wrote:
I have. When I was 12, I heard a female voice from Heaven saying that everything would be okay. When I was 13, I had a dream that came true. When I was 22, I had another dream that came true. When I was little (I forget what age), I fell down a set of stairs without injury.

Wow. I never had a spiritual experience, and now see the world as a cold, dark place where we all ultimately live to die.

I am sorry you feel that way. Yeshua loves you. I agree that world is a cold dark place. Let Yeshua be your light. If He can love a bad person like me, He can and does love you. You sound like you have been through a lot. I have too. It does get better if you imnvite Yeshua to be your God. Let me know if you are interested.

I'm not a religious person, but I sincerely thank you for the offer. It's hard to find light that breaks through the darkness these days.

You are welcome. I hope you find happiness. Do you have depression? I do. It sucks.

At a time, yeah. Luckily I've been able to move past it. I hope you can too.
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LiberalProlifer
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5/12/2015 7:54:31 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 5/12/2015 7:48:13 PM, Pase66 wrote:
At 5/12/2015 7:02:19 PM, LiberalProlifer wrote:
At 5/12/2015 6:48:44 PM, Pase66 wrote:
At 5/12/2015 6:38:22 PM, LiberalProlifer wrote:
At 5/12/2015 6:28:21 PM, Pase66 wrote:
At 5/12/2015 4:50:23 PM, LiberalProlifer wrote:
I have. When I was 12, I heard a female voice from Heaven saying that everything would be okay. When I was 13, I had a dream that came true. When I was 22, I had another dream that came true. When I was little (I forget what age), I fell down a set of stairs without injury.

Wow. I never had a spiritual experience, and now see the world as a cold, dark place where we all ultimately live to die.

I am sorry you feel that way. Yeshua loves you. I agree that world is a cold dark place. Let Yeshua be your light. If He can love a bad person like me, He can and does love you. You sound like you have been through a lot. I have too. It does get better if you imnvite Yeshua to be your God. Let me know if you are interested.

I'm not a religious person, but I sincerely thank you for the offer. It's hard to find light that breaks through the darkness these days.

You are welcome. I hope you find happiness. Do you have depression? I do. It sucks.

At a time, yeah. Luckily I've been able to move past it. I hope you can too.

Awesome. Don
t be afraid to tak an SNRI medication. :)
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5/12/2015 7:57:25 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 5/12/2015 4:50:23 PM, LiberalProlifer wrote:
I have. When I was 12, I heard a female voice from Heaven saying that everything would be okay. When I was 13, I had a dream that came true. When I was 22, I had another dream that came true. When I was little (I forget what age), I fell down a set of stairs without injury.

I have not had a spiritual experience. How would one experience a 'spiritual' encounter? How would one know that it wasn't a hallucination?
"This is the true horror of religion. It allows perfectly decent and sane people to believe by the billions, what only lunatics could believe on their own." Sam Harris
Life asked Death "Why do people love me but hate you?"
Death responded: "Because you are a beautiful lie, and I am the painful truth."
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5/12/2015 8:02:30 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 5/12/2015 7:57:25 PM, SamStevens wrote:
At 5/12/2015 4:50:23 PM, LiberalProlifer wrote:
I have. When I was 12, I heard a female voice from Heaven saying that everything would be okay. When I was 13, I had a dream that came true. When I was 22, I had another dream that came true. When I was little (I forget what age), I fell down a set of stairs without injury.

I have not had a spiritual experience. How would one experience a 'spiritual' encounter? How would one know that it wasn't a hallucination?

It is not a delusion. If it was, why did my two dreams come true?
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5/12/2015 8:10:45 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 5/12/2015 4:50:23 PM, LiberalProlifer wrote:
I have. When I was 12, I heard a female voice from Heaven saying that everything would be okay. When I was 13, I had a dream that came true. When I was 22, I had another dream that came true. When I was little (I forget what age), I fell down a set of stairs without injury. : :

I believe your stories.
LiberalProlifer
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5/12/2015 8:14:21 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 5/12/2015 8:10:45 PM, baddebater wrote:
At 5/12/2015 4:50:23 PM, LiberalProlifer wrote:
I have. When I was 12, I heard a female voice from Heaven saying that everything would be okay. When I was 13, I had a dream that came true. When I was 22, I had another dream that came true. When I was little (I forget what age), I fell down a set of stairs without injury. : :

I believe your stories.

Thank you.
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5/12/2015 8:16:12 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 5/12/2015 8:02:30 PM, LiberalProlifer wrote:
At 5/12/2015 7:57:25 PM, SamStevens wrote:
At 5/12/2015 4:50:23 PM, LiberalProlifer wrote:
I have. When I was 12, I heard a female voice from Heaven saying that everything would be okay. When I was 13, I had a dream that came true. When I was 22, I had another dream that came true. When I was little (I forget what age), I fell down a set of stairs without injury.

I have not had a spiritual experience. How would one experience a 'spiritual' encounter? How would one know that it wasn't a hallucination?

It is not a delusion. If it was, why did my two dreams come true?

Are you really using dreams as objective evidence?
"This is the true horror of religion. It allows perfectly decent and sane people to believe by the billions, what only lunatics could believe on their own." Sam Harris
Life asked Death "Why do people love me but hate you?"
Death responded: "Because you are a beautiful lie, and I am the painful truth."
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5/12/2015 8:20:23 PM
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Yeah often, the intensity is usually associated with the quantity of spirits ingested.
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5/12/2015 8:24:22 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 5/12/2015 8:16:12 PM, SamStevens wrote:
At 5/12/2015 8:02:30 PM, LiberalProlifer wrote:
At 5/12/2015 7:57:25 PM, SamStevens wrote:
At 5/12/2015 4:50:23 PM, LiberalProlifer wrote:
I have. When I was 12, I heard a female voice from Heaven saying that everything would be okay. When I was 13, I had a dream that came true. When I was 22, I had another dream that came true. When I was little (I forget what age), I fell down a set of stairs without injury.

I have not had a spiritual experience. How would one experience a 'spiritual' encounter? How would one know that it wasn't a hallucination?

It is not a delusion. If it was, why did my two dreams come true?

Are you really using dreams as objective evidence? : :

Why not? They're no different than experiencing the dream we're all living in together.
LiberalProlifer
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5/12/2015 8:25:22 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 5/12/2015 8:16:12 PM, SamStevens wrote:
At 5/12/2015 8:02:30 PM, LiberalProlifer wrote:
At 5/12/2015 7:57:25 PM, SamStevens wrote:
At 5/12/2015 4:50:23 PM, LiberalProlifer wrote:
I have. When I was 12, I heard a female voice from Heaven saying that everything would be okay. When I was 13, I had a dream that came true. When I was 22, I had another dream that came true. When I was little (I forget what age), I fell down a set of stairs without injury.

I have not had a spiritual experience. How would one experience a 'spiritual' encounter? How would one know that it wasn't a hallucination?

It is not a delusion. If it was, why did my two dreams come true?

Are you really using dreams as objective evidence?

You are saying that I am wrong. Prove it.
SamStevens
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5/12/2015 8:34:40 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 5/12/2015 8:25:22 PM, LiberalProlifer wrote:
At 5/12/2015 8:16:12 PM, SamStevens wrote:
At 5/12/2015 8:02:30 PM, LiberalProlifer wrote:
At 5/12/2015 7:57:25 PM, SamStevens wrote:
At 5/12/2015 4:50:23 PM, LiberalProlifer wrote:
I have. When I was 12, I heard a female voice from Heaven saying that everything would be okay. When I was 13, I had a dream that came true. When I was 22, I had another dream that came true. When I was little (I forget what age), I fell down a set of stairs without injury.

I have not had a spiritual experience. How would one experience a 'spiritual' encounter? How would one know that it wasn't a hallucination?

It is not a delusion. If it was, why did my two dreams come true?

I never said it was...

Are you really using dreams as objective evidence?

You are saying that I am wrong. Prove it.

Show me where I said you were wrong. I merely proposed the following questions:
How would one experience a 'spiritual' encounter?
How would one know that it wasn't a hallucination?

I never said it was a hallucination when you heard a female voice. It's advised to cease throwing unsupported accusations.
"This is the true horror of religion. It allows perfectly decent and sane people to believe by the billions, what only lunatics could believe on their own." Sam Harris
Life asked Death "Why do people love me but hate you?"
Death responded: "Because you are a beautiful lie, and I am the painful truth."
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5/12/2015 8:38:53 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 5/12/2015 8:24:22 PM, baddebater wrote:
At 5/12/2015 8:16:12 PM, SamStevens wrote:
At 5/12/2015 8:02:30 PM, LiberalProlifer wrote:
At 5/12/2015 7:57:25 PM, SamStevens wrote:
At 5/12/2015 4:50:23 PM, LiberalProlifer wrote:
I have. When I was 12, I heard a female voice from Heaven saying that everything would be okay. When I was 13, I had a dream that came true. When I was 22, I had another dream that came true. When I was little (I forget what age), I fell down a set of stairs without injury.

I have not had a spiritual experience. How would one experience a 'spiritual' encounter? How would one know that it wasn't a hallucination?

It is not a delusion. If it was, why did my two dreams come true?

Are you really using dreams as objective evidence? : :

Why not? They're no different than experiencing the dream we're all living in together.

This website explains it well: http://www.godonthe.net...
"This is the true horror of religion. It allows perfectly decent and sane people to believe by the billions, what only lunatics could believe on their own." Sam Harris
Life asked Death "Why do people love me but hate you?"
Death responded: "Because you are a beautiful lie, and I am the painful truth."
LiberalProlifer
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5/12/2015 8:41:20 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 5/12/2015 8:34:40 PM, SamStevens wrote:
At 5/12/2015 8:25:22 PM, LiberalProlifer wrote:
At 5/12/2015 8:16:12 PM, SamStevens wrote:
At 5/12/2015 8:02:30 PM, LiberalProlifer wrote:
At 5/12/2015 7:57:25 PM, SamStevens wrote:
At 5/12/2015 4:50:23 PM, LiberalProlifer wrote:
I have. When I was 12, I heard a female voice from Heaven saying that everything would be okay. When I was 13, I had a dream that came true. When I was 22, I had another dream that came true. When I was little (I forget what age), I fell down a set of stairs without injury.

I have not had a spiritual experience. How would one experience a 'spiritual' encounter? How would one know that it wasn't a hallucination?

It is not a delusion. If it was, why did my two dreams come true?

I never said it was...

Are you really using dreams as objective evidence?

You are saying that I am wrong. Prove it.

Show me where I said you were wrong. I merely proposed the following questions:
How would one experience a 'spiritual' encounter?
How would one know that it wasn't a hallucination?

I never said it was a hallucination when you heard a female voice. It's advised to cease throwing unsupported accusations.
When you asked me if I used dreams as proof, you were saying that I am wrong.
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5/12/2015 8:50:54 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 5/12/2015 8:41:20 PM, LiberalProlifer wrote:
At 5/12/2015 8:34:40 PM, SamStevens wrote:
At 5/12/2015 8:25:22 PM, LiberalProlifer wrote:
At 5/12/2015 8:16:12 PM, SamStevens wrote:
At 5/12/2015 8:02:30 PM, LiberalProlifer wrote:
At 5/12/2015 7:57:25 PM, SamStevens wrote:
At 5/12/2015 4:50:23 PM, LiberalProlifer wrote:
I have. When I was 12, I heard a female voice from Heaven saying that everything would be okay. When I was 13, I had a dream that came true. When I was 22, I had another dream that came true. When I was little (I forget what age), I fell down a set of stairs without injury.

I have not had a spiritual experience. How would one experience a 'spiritual' encounter? How would one know that it wasn't a hallucination?

It is not a delusion. If it was, why did my two dreams come true?

I never said it was...

Are you really using dreams as objective evidence?

You are saying that I am wrong. Prove it.

Show me where I said you were wrong. I merely proposed the following questions:
How would one experience a 'spiritual' encounter?
How would one know that it wasn't a hallucination?

I never said it was a hallucination when you heard a female voice. It's advised to cease throwing unsupported accusations.
When you asked me if I used dreams as proof, you were saying that I am wrong.

No, I am questioning as to why you would use dreams to support your spiritual encounter. One might use a video recording, sound equipment, etc. to provide objective documentation of the event. Dreams can be considered as subjective evidence. I have to " accept what [you stated] or reject it"(Reinckens). I am merely questioning the authenticity of your evidence, not your claim.

Reinckens, Rick. "Evidence: Objective versus Subjective." Objective versus Subjective Evidence. N.p., n.d. Web. 12 May 2015. <http://www.godonthe.net...;.
"This is the true horror of religion. It allows perfectly decent and sane people to believe by the billions, what only lunatics could believe on their own." Sam Harris
Life asked Death "Why do people love me but hate you?"
Death responded: "Because you are a beautiful lie, and I am the painful truth."
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5/12/2015 8:58:43 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 5/12/2015 8:50:54 PM, SamStevens wrote:
At 5/12/2015 8:41:20 PM, LiberalProlifer wrote:
At 5/12/2015 8:34:40 PM, SamStevens wrote:
At 5/12/2015 8:25:22 PM, LiberalProlifer wrote:
At 5/12/2015 8:16:12 PM, SamStevens wrote:
At 5/12/2015 8:02:30 PM, LiberalProlifer wrote:
At 5/12/2015 7:57:25 PM, SamStevens wrote:
At 5/12/2015 4:50:23 PM, LiberalProlifer wrote:
I have. When I was 12, I heard a female voice from Heaven saying that everything would be okay. When I was 13, I had a dream that came true. When I was 22, I had another dream that came true. When I was little (I forget what age), I fell down a set of stairs without injury.

I have not had a spiritual experience. How would one experience a 'spiritual' encounter? How would one know that it wasn't a hallucination?

It is not a delusion. If it was, why did my two dreams come true?

I never said it was...

Are you really using dreams as objective evidence?

You are saying that I am wrong. Prove it.

Show me where I said you were wrong. I merely proposed the following questions:
How would one experience a 'spiritual' encounter?
How would one know that it wasn't a hallucination?

I never said it was a hallucination when you heard a female voice. It's advised to cease throwing unsupported accusations.
When you asked me if I used dreams as proof, you were saying that I am wrong.

No, I am questioning as to why you would use dreams to support your spiritual encounter. One might use a video recording, sound equipment, etc. to provide objective documentation of the event. Dreams can be considered as subjective evidence. I have to " accept what [you stated] or reject it"(Reinckens). I am merely questioning the authenticity of your evidence, not your claim.

Reinckens, Rick. "Evidence: Objective versus Subjective." Objective versus Subjective Evidence. N.p., n.d. Web. 12 May 2015. <http://www.godonthe.net...;.

Hallicinations cannot predict thge future.
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5/12/2015 9:42:51 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 5/12/2015 8:58:43 PM, LiberalProlifer wrote:
At 5/12/2015 8:50:54 PM, SamStevens wrote:
At 5/12/2015 8:41:20 PM, LiberalProlifer wrote:
At 5/12/2015 8:34:40 PM, SamStevens wrote:
At 5/12/2015 8:25:22 PM, LiberalProlifer wrote:
At 5/12/2015 8:16:12 PM, SamStevens wrote:
At 5/12/2015 8:02:30 PM, LiberalProlifer wrote:
At 5/12/2015 7:57:25 PM, SamStevens wrote:
At 5/12/2015 4:50:23 PM, LiberalProlifer wrote:
I have. When I was 12, I heard a female voice from Heaven saying that everything would be okay. When I was 13, I had a dream that came true. When I was 22, I had another dream that came true. When I was little (I forget what age), I fell down a set of stairs without injury.

I have not had a spiritual experience. How would one experience a 'spiritual' encounter? How would one know that it wasn't a hallucination?

It is not a delusion. If it was, why did my two dreams come true?

I never said it was...

Are you really using dreams as objective evidence?

You are saying that I am wrong. Prove it.

Show me where I said you were wrong. I merely proposed the following questions:
How would one experience a 'spiritual' encounter?
How would one know that it wasn't a hallucination?

I never said it was a hallucination when you heard a female voice. It's advised to cease throwing unsupported accusations.
When you asked me if I used dreams as proof, you were saying that I am wrong.

No, I am questioning as to why you would use dreams to support your spiritual encounter. One might use a video recording, sound equipment, etc. to provide objective documentation of the event. Dreams can be considered as subjective evidence. I have to " accept what [you stated] or reject it"(Reinckens). I am merely questioning the authenticity of your evidence, not your claim.

Reinckens, Rick. "Evidence: Objective versus Subjective." Objective versus Subjective Evidence. N.p., n.d. Web. 12 May 2015. <http://www.godonthe.net...;.

Hallucinations cannot predict the future.

On the topic of spiritual experiences and hallucinations, this is a good discussion between two people about the topic. Go to 30:54: https://www.youtube.com...

One man, during a 'spiritual' experience, claimed god spoke to him, while another, hospitalized for four days thought people were going to kill him.
"This is the true horror of religion. It allows perfectly decent and sane people to believe by the billions, what only lunatics could believe on their own." Sam Harris
Life asked Death "Why do people love me but hate you?"
Death responded: "Because you are a beautiful lie, and I am the painful truth."
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5/12/2015 9:49:36 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 5/12/2015 8:38:53 PM, SamStevens wrote:
At 5/12/2015 8:24:22 PM, baddebater wrote:
At 5/12/2015 8:16:12 PM, SamStevens wrote:
At 5/12/2015 8:02:30 PM, LiberalProlifer wrote:
At 5/12/2015 7:57:25 PM, SamStevens wrote:
At 5/12/2015 4:50:23 PM, LiberalProlifer wrote:
I have. When I was 12, I heard a female voice from Heaven saying that everything would be okay. When I was 13, I had a dream that came true. When I was 22, I had another dream that came true. When I was little (I forget what age), I fell down a set of stairs without injury.

I have not had a spiritual experience. How would one experience a 'spiritual' encounter? How would one know that it wasn't a hallucination?

It is not a delusion. If it was, why did my two dreams come true?

Are you really using dreams as objective evidence? : :

Why not? They're no different than experiencing the dream we're all living in together.

This website explains it well: http://www.godonthe.net...

Some people must get very bored not believing anyone's experiences.
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5/12/2015 9:55:07 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 5/12/2015 8:50:54 PM, SamStevens wrote:
At 5/12/2015 8:41:20 PM, LiberalProlifer wrote:
At 5/12/2015 8:34:40 PM, SamStevens wrote:
At 5/12/2015 8:25:22 PM, LiberalProlifer wrote:
At 5/12/2015 8:16:12 PM, SamStevens wrote:
At 5/12/2015 8:02:30 PM, LiberalProlifer wrote:
At 5/12/2015 7:57:25 PM, SamStevens wrote:
At 5/12/2015 4:50:23 PM, LiberalProlifer wrote:
I have. When I was 12, I heard a female voice from Heaven saying that everything would be okay. When I was 13, I had a dream that came true. When I was 22, I had another dream that came true. When I was little (I forget what age), I fell down a set of stairs without injury.

I have not had a spiritual experience. How would one experience a 'spiritual' encounter? How would one know that it wasn't a hallucination?

It is not a delusion. If it was, why did my two dreams come true?

I never said it was...

Are you really using dreams as objective evidence?

You are saying that I am wrong. Prove it.

Show me where I said you were wrong. I merely proposed the following questions:
How would one experience a 'spiritual' encounter?
How would one know that it wasn't a hallucination?

I never said it was a hallucination when you heard a female voice. It's advised to cease throwing unsupported accusations.
When you asked me if I used dreams as proof, you were saying that I am wrong.

No, I am questioning as to why you would use dreams to support your spiritual encounter. One might use a video recording, sound equipment, etc. to provide objective documentation of the event. Dreams can be considered as subjective evidence. I have to " accept what [you stated] or reject it"(Reinckens). I am merely questioning the authenticity of your evidence, not your claim.

Reinckens, Rick. "Evidence: Objective versus Subjective." Objective versus Subjective Evidence. N.p., n.d. Web. 12 May 2015. <http://www.godonthe.net...;.

Everything that's perceived in this world is subjective because no one's experience is the same. What you perceive doesn't necessarily mean I perceive it in the same way. It's the same with experiencing good and evil. Neither of these words can be defined in exactly the same way from each individual perspective.
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5/12/2015 10:03:03 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 5/12/2015 9:55:07 PM, baddebater wrote:
At 5/12/2015 8:50:54 PM, SamStevens wrote:
At 5/12/2015 8:41:20 PM, LiberalProlifer wrote:
At 5/12/2015 8:34:40 PM, SamStevens wrote:
At 5/12/2015 8:25:22 PM, LiberalProlifer wrote:
At 5/12/2015 8:16:12 PM, SamStevens wrote:
At 5/12/2015 8:02:30 PM, LiberalProlifer wrote:
At 5/12/2015 7:57:25 PM, SamStevens wrote:
At 5/12/2015 4:50:23 PM, LiberalProlifer wrote:
I have. When I was 12, I heard a female voice from Heaven saying that everything would be okay. When I was 13, I had a dream that came true. When I was 22, I had another dream that came true. When I was little (I forget what age), I fell down a set of stairs without injury.

I have not had a spiritual experience. How would one experience a 'spiritual' encounter? How would one know that it wasn't a hallucination?

It is not a delusion. If it was, why did my two dreams come true?

I never said it was...

Are you really using dreams as objective evidence?

You are saying that I am wrong. Prove it.

Show me where I said you were wrong. I merely proposed the following questions:
How would one experience a 'spiritual' encounter?
How would one know that it wasn't a hallucination?

I never said it was a hallucination when you heard a female voice. It's advised to cease throwing unsupported accusations.
When you asked me if I used dreams as proof, you were saying that I am wrong.

No, I am questioning as to why you would use dreams to support your spiritual encounter. One might use a video recording, sound equipment, etc. to provide objective documentation of the event. Dreams can be considered as subjective evidence. I have to " accept what [you stated] or reject it"(Reinckens). I am merely questioning the authenticity of your evidence, not your claim.

Reinckens, Rick. "Evidence: Objective versus Subjective." Objective versus Subjective Evidence. N.p., n.d. Web. 12 May 2015. <http://www.godonthe.net...;.

Everything that's perceived in this world is subjective because no one's experience is the same. What you perceive doesn't necessarily mean I perceive it in the same way. It's the same with experiencing good and evil. Neither of these words can be defined in exactly the same way from each individual perspective.

Okay, but that does not excuse people who back up their claims with subjective evidence"evidence that can not be reliably analyzed, tested, and measured. If people want their claims to be taken seriously, they should have objective documentation.

Example: I went in a forest preserve to look at beautiful scenery. During my activities, I claim that I witnessed a spherical object hovering in the tree line, only to shoot off as I ventured closer. I tell people what I observed, yet I bring no video or auditory recordings of the event"objective evidence. I could only bring subjective evidence to the table. As a result, people are skeptical of my claims.
"This is the true horror of religion. It allows perfectly decent and sane people to believe by the billions, what only lunatics could believe on their own." Sam Harris
Life asked Death "Why do people love me but hate you?"
Death responded: "Because you are a beautiful lie, and I am the painful truth."
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5/12/2015 10:22:08 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 5/12/2015 10:03:03 PM, SamStevens wrote:
At 5/12/2015 9:55:07 PM, baddebater wrote:
At 5/12/2015 8:50:54 PM, SamStevens wrote:
At 5/12/2015 8:41:20 PM, LiberalProlifer wrote:
At 5/12/2015 8:34:40 PM, SamStevens wrote:
At 5/12/2015 8:25:22 PM, LiberalProlifer wrote:
At 5/12/2015 8:16:12 PM, SamStevens wrote:
At 5/12/2015 8:02:30 PM, LiberalProlifer wrote:
At 5/12/2015 7:57:25 PM, SamStevens wrote:
At 5/12/2015 4:50:23 PM, LiberalProlifer wrote:
I have. When I was 12, I heard a female voice from Heaven saying that everything would be okay. When I was 13, I had a dream that came true. When I was 22, I had another dream that came true. When I was little (I forget what age), I fell down a set of stairs without injury.

I have not had a spiritual experience. How would one experience a 'spiritual' encounter? How would one know that it wasn't a hallucination?

It is not a delusion. If it was, why did my two dreams come true?

I never said it was...

Are you really using dreams as objective evidence?

You are saying that I am wrong. Prove it.

Show me where I said you were wrong. I merely proposed the following questions:
How would one experience a 'spiritual' encounter?
How would one know that it wasn't a hallucination?

I never said it was a hallucination when you heard a female voice. It's advised to cease throwing unsupported accusations.
When you asked me if I used dreams as proof, you were saying that I am wrong.

No, I am questioning as to why you would use dreams to support your spiritual encounter. One might use a video recording, sound equipment, etc. to provide objective documentation of the event. Dreams can be considered as subjective evidence. I have to " accept what [you stated] or reject it"(Reinckens). I am merely questioning the authenticity of your evidence, not your claim.

Reinckens, Rick. "Evidence: Objective versus Subjective." Objective versus Subjective Evidence. N.p., n.d. Web. 12 May 2015. <http://www.godonthe.net...;.

Everything that's perceived in this world is subjective because no one's experience is the same. What you perceive doesn't necessarily mean I perceive it in the same way. It's the same with experiencing good and evil. Neither of these words can be defined in exactly the same way from each individual perspective.

Okay, but that does not excuse people who back up their claims with subjective evidence"evidence that can not be reliably analyzed, tested, and measured. If people want their claims to be taken seriously, they should have objective documentation.

I have all kinds of objective evidence from my point of view that God spoke into my mind for me to write down. The problem is to get other people from their subjective point of view to believe what they read.

Example: I went in a forest preserve to look at beautiful scenery. During my activities, I claim that I witnessed a spherical object hovering in the tree line, only to shoot off as I ventured closer. I tell people what I observed, yet I bring no video or auditory recordings of the event"objective evidence. I could only bring subjective evidence to the table. As a result, people are skeptical of my claims. : :

Do you ask for objective evidence when you listen to the experiences of your friends when you weren't there to observe them?

Do you see what I'm talking about? If you believe the stories that your friends talk about, then why can't you believe the stories of anyone else?
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5/12/2015 10:23:43 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 5/12/2015 10:03:03 PM, SamStevens wrote:
At 5/12/2015 9:55:07 PM, baddebater wrote:
At 5/12/2015 8:50:54 PM, SamStevens wrote:
At 5/12/2015 8:41:20 PM, LiberalProlifer wrote:
At 5/12/2015 8:34:40 PM, SamStevens wrote:
At 5/12/2015 8:25:22 PM, LiberalProlifer wrote:
At 5/12/2015 8:16:12 PM, SamStevens wrote:
At 5/12/2015 8:02:30 PM, LiberalProlifer wrote:
At 5/12/2015 7:57:25 PM, SamStevens wrote:
At 5/12/2015 4:50:23 PM, LiberalProlifer wrote:
I have. When I was 12, I heard a female voice from Heaven saying that everything would be okay. When I was 13, I had a dream that came true. When I was 22, I had another dream that came true. When I was little (I forget what age), I fell down a set of stairs without injury.

I have not had a spiritual experience. How would one experience a 'spiritual' encounter? How would one know that it wasn't a hallucination?

It is not a delusion. If it was, why did my two dreams come true?

I never said it was...

Are you really using dreams as objective evidence?

You are saying that I am wrong. Prove it.

Show me where I said you were wrong. I merely proposed the following questions:
How would one experience a 'spiritual' encounter?
How would one know that it wasn't a hallucination?

I never said it was a hallucination when you heard a female voice. It's advised to cease throwing unsupported accusations.
When you asked me if I used dreams as proof, you were saying that I am wrong.

No, I am questioning as to why you would use dreams to support your spiritual encounter. One might use a video recording, sound equipment, etc. to provide objective documentation of the event. Dreams can be considered as subjective evidence. I have to " accept what [you stated] or reject it"(Reinckens). I am merely questioning the authenticity of your evidence, not your claim.

Reinckens, Rick. "Evidence: Objective versus Subjective." Objective versus Subjective Evidence. N.p., n.d. Web. 12 May 2015. <http://www.godonthe.net...;.

Everything that's perceived in this world is subjective because no one's experience is the same. What you perceive doesn't necessarily mean I perceive it in the same way. It's the same with experiencing good and evil. Neither of these words can be defined in exactly the same way from each individual perspective.

Okay, but that does not excuse people who back up their claims with subjective evidence"evidence that can not be reliably analyzed, tested, and measured. If people want their claims to be taken seriously, they should have objective documentation.

Example: I went in a forest preserve to look at beautiful scenery. During my activities, I claim that I witnessed a spherical object hovering in the tree line, only to shoot off as I ventured closer. I tell people what I observed, yet I bring no video or auditory recordings of the event"objective evidence. I could only bring subjective evidence to the table. As a result, people are skeptical of my claims.

Excuse the grammatical error. Due to the formatting on Debate.org, it will not allow certain characters, such as alt. codes[1], to be typed without being replaced with a quotation mark.

[1]http://www.alt-codes.net...
"This is the true horror of religion. It allows perfectly decent and sane people to believe by the billions, what only lunatics could believe on their own." Sam Harris
Life asked Death "Why do people love me but hate you?"
Death responded: "Because you are a beautiful lie, and I am the painful truth."
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5/12/2015 10:28:00 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 5/12/2015 10:22:08 PM, baddebater wrote:
At 5/12/2015 10:03:03 PM, SamStevens wrote:
At 5/12/2015 9:55:07 PM, baddebater wrote:
At 5/12/2015 8:50:54 PM, SamStevens wrote:
At 5/12/2015 8:41:20 PM, LiberalProlifer wrote:
At 5/12/2015 8:34:40 PM, SamStevens wrote:
At 5/12/2015 8:25:22 PM, LiberalProlifer wrote:
At 5/12/2015 8:16:12 PM, SamStevens wrote:
At 5/12/2015 8:02:30 PM, LiberalProlifer wrote:
At 5/12/2015 7:57:25 PM, SamStevens wrote:
At 5/12/2015 4:50:23 PM, LiberalProlifer wrote:
I have. When I was 12, I heard a female voice from Heaven saying that everything would be okay. When I was 13, I had a dream that came true. When I was 22, I had another dream that came true. When I was little (I forget what age), I fell down a set of stairs without injury.

I have not had a spiritual experience. How would one experience a 'spiritual' encounter? How would one know that it wasn't a hallucination?

It is not a delusion. If it was, why did my two dreams come true?

I never said it was...

Are you really using dreams as objective evidence?

You are saying that I am wrong. Prove it.

Show me where I said you were wrong. I merely proposed the following questions:
How would one experience a 'spiritual' encounter?
How would one know that it wasn't a hallucination?

I never said it was a hallucination when you heard a female voice. It's advised to cease throwing unsupported accusations.
When you asked me if I used dreams as proof, you were saying that I am wrong.

No, I am questioning as to why you would use dreams to support your spiritual encounter. One might use a video recording, sound equipment, etc. to provide objective documentation of the event. Dreams can be considered as subjective evidence. I have to " accept what [you stated] or reject it"(Reinckens). I am merely questioning the authenticity of your evidence, not your claim.

Reinckens, Rick. "Evidence: Objective versus Subjective." Objective versus Subjective Evidence. N.p., n.d. Web. 12 May 2015. <http://www.godonthe.net...;.

Everything that's perceived in this world is subjective because no one's experience is the same. What you perceive doesn't necessarily mean I perceive it in the same way. It's the same with experiencing good and evil. Neither of these words can be defined in exactly the same way from each individual perspective.

Okay, but that does not excuse people who back up their claims with subjective evidence"evidence that can not be reliably analyzed, tested, and measured. If people want their claims to be taken seriously, they should have objective documentation.

I have all kinds of objective evidence from my point of view that God spoke into my mind for me to write down. The problem is to get other people from their subjective point of view to believe what they read.

Example: I went in a forest preserve to look at beautiful scenery. During my activities, I claim that I witnessed a spherical object hovering in the tree line, only to shoot off as I ventured closer. I tell people what I observed, yet I bring no video or auditory recordings of the event"objective evidence. I could only bring subjective evidence to the table. As a result, people are skeptical of my claims. : :

Do you ask for objective evidence when you listen to the experiences of your friends when you weren't there to observe them?

It depends. If they are making a claim, then yes, but if it is just casual conversation, then no.

Ex: I was kidnapped at the age of 5.

In this case, I would ask for documentation. If said they had it, I would believe them since they most likely do have documentation and my friends wouldn't joke about a serious topic such as kidnapping so I would generally believe them.

Do you see what I'm talking about? If you believe the stories that your friends talk about, then why can't you believe the stories of anyone else?
"This is the true horror of religion. It allows perfectly decent and sane people to believe by the billions, what only lunatics could believe on their own." Sam Harris
Life asked Death "Why do people love me but hate you?"
Death responded: "Because you are a beautiful lie, and I am the painful truth."
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5/12/2015 10:30:27 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 5/12/2015 10:23:43 PM, SamStevens wrote:
At 5/12/2015 10:03:03 PM, SamStevens wrote:
At 5/12/2015 9:55:07 PM, baddebater wrote:
At 5/12/2015 8:50:54 PM, SamStevens wrote:
At 5/12/2015 8:41:20 PM, LiberalProlifer wrote:
At 5/12/2015 8:34:40 PM, SamStevens wrote:
At 5/12/2015 8:25:22 PM, LiberalProlifer wrote:
At 5/12/2015 8:16:12 PM, SamStevens wrote:
At 5/12/2015 8:02:30 PM, LiberalProlifer wrote:
At 5/12/2015 7:57:25 PM, SamStevens wrote:
At 5/12/2015 4:50:23 PM, LiberalProlifer wrote:
I have. When I was 12, I heard a female voice from Heaven saying that everything would be okay. When I was 13, I had a dream that came true. When I was 22, I had another dream that came true. When I was little (I forget what age), I fell down a set of stairs without injury.

I have not had a spiritual experience. How would one experience a 'spiritual' encounter? How would one know that it wasn't a hallucination?

It is not a delusion. If it was, why did my two dreams come true?

I never said it was...

Are you really using dreams as objective evidence?

You are saying that I am wrong. Prove it.

Show me where I said you were wrong. I merely proposed the following questions:
How would one experience a 'spiritual' encounter?
How would one know that it wasn't a hallucination?

I never said it was a hallucination when you heard a female voice. It's advised to cease throwing unsupported accusations.
When you asked me if I used dreams as proof, you were saying that I am wrong.

No, I am questioning as to why you would use dreams to support your spiritual encounter. One might use a video recording, sound equipment, etc. to provide objective documentation of the event. Dreams can be considered as subjective evidence. I have to " accept what [you stated] or reject it"(Reinckens). I am merely questioning the authenticity of your evidence, not your claim.

Reinckens, Rick. "Evidence: Objective versus Subjective." Objective versus Subjective Evidence. N.p., n.d. Web. 12 May 2015. <http://www.godonthe.net...;.

Everything that's perceived in this world is subjective because no one's experience is the same. What you perceive doesn't necessarily mean I perceive it in the same way. It's the same with experiencing good and evil. Neither of these words can be defined in exactly the same way from each individual perspective.

Okay, but that does not excuse people who back up their claims with subjective evidence"evidence that can not be reliably analyzed, tested, and measured. If people want their claims to be taken seriously, they should have objective documentation.

Example: I went in a forest preserve to look at beautiful scenery. During my activities, I claim that I witnessed a spherical object hovering in the tree line, only to shoot off as I ventured closer. I tell people what I observed, yet I bring no video or auditory recordings of the event"objective evidence. I could only bring subjective evidence to the table. As a result, people are skeptical of my claims.

Excuse the grammatical error. Due to the formatting on Debate.org, it will not allow certain characters, such as alt. codes[1], to be typed without being replaced with a quotation mark.

[1]http://www.alt-codes.net...: :

If I thought grammar was important to get an idea transported into someone else's mind, I would pay more attention to it but I know it's not that important. It's typical of English majors to pay attention to those details but I'm not here to please them anyway. I'm more interested in finding someone who will exchange ideas without using any excuses not to listen to me.