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5/18/2015 1:19:31 AM
Posted: 1 year ago
Pew Research center put out their latest poll on religion.

Non-affiliated is now the second largest religious group. Agnostics/Atheists have more than doubled.

Millennials seem to be the largest population in this exodus with 35% (over 1/3) leaving the church.

http://www.pewforum.org...

I think this will bring about some interesting changes by the churches and religious institutions. Will we see more of this God of the gaps concept, or will we see a more militant church denying science and trying to scare people back into their seats?
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5/18/2015 8:17:25 AM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 5/18/2015 1:19:31 AM, Sosoconfused wrote:
Pew Research center put out their latest poll on religion.

Non-affiliated is now the second largest religious group. Agnostics/Atheists have more than doubled.

Millennials seem to be the largest population in this exodus with 35% (over 1/3) leaving the church.

http://www.pewforum.org...


I think this will bring about some interesting changes by the churches and religious institutions. Will we see more of this God of the gaps concept, or will we see a more militant church denying science and trying to scare people back into their seats?

Others may be, but the JWs continue to grow, slowly but surely, another 2% more joined than left in the 2014 service year.

2015 Yearbook page 186 ( In Downloaded or Hard copy versions only to download go to http://www.jw.org... )

For overall totals, see:

http://wol.jw.org...
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5/18/2015 8:44:31 AM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 5/18/2015 8:17:25 AM, MadCornishBiker wrote:
At 5/18/2015 1:19:31 AM, Sosoconfused wrote:
Pew Research center put out their latest poll on religion.

Non-affiliated is now the second largest religious group. Agnostics/Atheists have more than doubled.

Millennials seem to be the largest population in this exodus with 35% (over 1/3) leaving the church.

http://www.pewforum.org...


I think this will bring about some interesting changes by the churches and religious institutions. Will we see more of this God of the gaps concept, or will we see a more militant church denying science and trying to scare people back into their seats?

Others may be, but the JWs continue to grow, slowly but surely, another 2% more joined than left in the 2014 service year.

2015 Yearbook page 186 ( In Downloaded or Hard copy versions only to download go to http://www.jw.org... )

For overall totals, see:

http://wol.jw.org...

I don't see where JW has increased by 2% from your link, AND the Pew link show JWs (in 7 years) have increased by .1%. Notice that is not 2% or 1%, but a tenth of a percent! A tenth of a percent in 7 years is a far cray from 2% in a single year, MCB.
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5/18/2015 9:03:12 AM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 5/18/2015 8:44:31 AM, Skepticalone wrote:
At 5/18/2015 8:17:25 AM, MadCornishBiker wrote:
At 5/18/2015 1:19:31 AM, Sosoconfused wrote:
Pew Research center put out their latest poll on religion.

Non-affiliated is now the second largest religious group. Agnostics/Atheists have more than doubled.

Millennials seem to be the largest population in this exodus with 35% (over 1/3) leaving the church.

http://www.pewforum.org...


I think this will bring about some interesting changes by the churches and religious institutions. Will we see more of this God of the gaps concept, or will we see a more militant church denying science and trying to scare people back into their seats?

Others may be, but the JWs continue to grow, slowly but surely, another 2% more joined than left in the 2014 service year.

2015 Yearbook page 186 ( In Downloaded or Hard copy versions only to download go to http://www.jw.org... )

For overall totals, see:

http://wol.jw.org...

I don't see where JW has increased by 2% from your link, AND the Pew link show JWs (in 7 years) have increased by .1%. Notice that is not 2% or 1%, but a tenth of a percent! A tenth of a percent in 7 years is a far cray from 2% in a single year, MCB.

Usually, in and around 2-3% takes into account the birth rates within the demographic, so if the increase is only a tenth of a percent, that means the demographic didn't even keep up with birth rates, meaning people are leaving, not joining.
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5/18/2015 9:34:32 AM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 5/18/2015 9:03:12 AM, DanneJeRusse wrote:
At 5/18/2015 8:44:31 AM, Skepticalone wrote:
At 5/18/2015 8:17:25 AM, MadCornishBiker wrote:
At 5/18/2015 1:19:31 AM, Sosoconfused wrote:
Pew Research center put out their latest poll on religion.

Non-affiliated is now the second largest religious group. Agnostics/Atheists have more than doubled.

Millennials seem to be the largest population in this exodus with 35% (over 1/3) leaving the church.

http://www.pewforum.org...


I think this will bring about some interesting changes by the churches and religious institutions. Will we see more of this God of the gaps concept, or will we see a more militant church denying science and trying to scare people back into their seats?

Others may be, but the JWs continue to grow, slowly but surely, another 2% more joined than left in the 2014 service year.

2015 Yearbook page 186 ( In Downloaded or Hard copy versions only to download go to http://www.jw.org... )

For overall totals, see:

http://wol.jw.org...

I don't see where JW has increased by 2% from your link, AND the Pew link show JWs (in 7 years) have increased by .1%. Notice that is not 2% or 1%, but a tenth of a percent! A tenth of a percent in 7 years is a far cray from 2% in a single year, MCB.

Usually, in and around 2-3% takes into account the birth rates within the demographic, so if the increase is only a tenth of a percent, that means the demographic didn't even keep up with birth rates, meaning people are leaving, not joining.

Is that 2-3% over a single year?
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5/18/2015 10:35:10 AM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 5/18/2015 1:19:31 AM, Sosoconfused wrote:
Pew Research center put out their latest poll on religion.

Non-affiliated is now the second largest religious group. Agnostics/Atheists have more than doubled.

Millennials seem to be the largest population in this exodus with 35% (over 1/3) leaving the church.

http://www.pewforum.org...


I think this will bring about some interesting changes by the churches and religious institutions. Will we see more of this God of the gaps concept, or will we see a more militant church denying science and trying to scare people back into their seats?

Response: The US leads the world in campaigning freedom. Not morals. The US leads the world in campaigning self-interest. Not humanitarianism. So because of these two attractions of being free to satisfy one's own selfish interests and not be obligated to put morality first is the reason for the increase of atheists and agnostics. It's not based on atheism and agnosticism being the more rational choice. The evidence of God's existence is still crystal clear.
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5/18/2015 12:12:05 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 5/18/2015 9:34:32 AM, Skepticalone wrote:
At 5/18/2015 9:03:12 AM, DanneJeRusse wrote:
At 5/18/2015 8:44:31 AM, Skepticalone wrote:
At 5/18/2015 8:17:25 AM, MadCornishBiker wrote:
At 5/18/2015 1:19:31 AM, Sosoconfused wrote:
Pew Research center put out their latest poll on religion.

Non-affiliated is now the second largest religious group. Agnostics/Atheists have more than doubled.

Millennials seem to be the largest population in this exodus with 35% (over 1/3) leaving the church.

http://www.pewforum.org...


I think this will bring about some interesting changes by the churches and religious institutions. Will we see more of this God of the gaps concept, or will we see a more militant church denying science and trying to scare people back into their seats?

Others may be, but the JWs continue to grow, slowly but surely, another 2% more joined than left in the 2014 service year.

2015 Yearbook page 186 ( In Downloaded or Hard copy versions only to download go to http://www.jw.org... )

For overall totals, see:

http://wol.jw.org...

I don't see where JW has increased by 2% from your link, AND the Pew link show JWs (in 7 years) have increased by .1%. Notice that is not 2% or 1%, but a tenth of a percent! A tenth of a percent in 7 years is a far cray from 2% in a single year, MCB.

Usually, in and around 2-3% takes into account the birth rates within the demographic, so if the increase is only a tenth of a percent, that means the demographic didn't even keep up with birth rates, meaning people are leaving, not joining.

Is that 2-3% over a single year?

From what I've seen on other polls, yes, that is the conclusion drawn from those polls on average per year. However, many other influences can change those numbers one way or the other, I've seen polls of less than one percent increase due to factors such as economic and employment rates, recessions, etc.
Marrying a 6 year old and waiting until she reaches puberty and maturity before having consensual sex is better than walking up to
a stranger in a bar and proceeding to have relations with no valid proof of the intent of the person. Muhammad wins. ~ Fatihah
If they don't want to be killed then they have to subdue to the Islamic laws. - Uncung
Without God, you are lower than sh!t. ~ SpiritandTruth
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5/18/2015 12:39:16 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 5/18/2015 10:35:10 AM, Fatihah wrote:
At 5/18/2015 1:19:31 AM, Sosoconfused wrote:
Pew Research center put out their latest poll on religion.

Non-affiliated is now the second largest religious group. Agnostics/Atheists have more than doubled.

Millennials seem to be the largest population in this exodus with 35% (over 1/3) leaving the church.

http://www.pewforum.org...


I think this will bring about some interesting changes by the churches and religious institutions. Will we see more of this God of the gaps concept, or will we see a more militant church denying science and trying to scare people back into their seats?

Response: The US leads the world in campaigning freedom. Not morals. The US leads the world in campaigning self-interest. Not humanitarianism. So because of these two attractions of being free to satisfy one's own selfish interests and not be obligated to put morality first is the reason for the increase of atheists and agnostics. It's not based on atheism and agnosticism being the more rational choice. The evidence of God's existence is still crystal clear.

The US does not campaign for freedom, they are not free themselves so how can they.

They simply campaign for things to be done their way, which in the end can only mean servitude to Satan's world.

That is true whatever government rules over you since Satan is backer to them all.

Not for much longer however, because before long Satan will maneuver them into direct opposition to Jehovah and that will mean their end.

Revelation 16:13-14
ASV(i) 13 And I saw coming out of the mouth of the dragon, and out of the mouth of the beast, and out of the mouth of the false prophet, three unclean spirits, as it were frogs: 14 for they are spirits of demons, working signs; which go forth unto the kings of the whole world, to gather them together unto the war of the great day of God, the Almighty.

Then Danial 2:44 will be fulfilled.
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5/18/2015 12:55:35 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 5/18/2015 10:35:10 AM, Fatihah wrote:
At 5/18/2015 1:19:31 AM, Sosoconfused wrote:
Pew Research center put out their latest poll on religion.

Non-affiliated is now the second largest religious group. Agnostics/Atheists have more than doubled.

Millennials seem to be the largest population in this exodus with 35% (over 1/3) leaving the church.

http://www.pewforum.org...


I think this will bring about some interesting changes by the churches and religious institutions. Will we see more of this God of the gaps concept, or will we see a more militant church denying science and trying to scare people back into their seats?

Response: The US leads the world in campaigning freedom. Not morals. The US leads the world in campaigning self-interest. Not humanitarianism.

Sounds a whole lot like what Islam promotes, no morals or humanitarianism.

The evidence of God's existence is still crystal clear.

Yes, non-existent.
Marrying a 6 year old and waiting until she reaches puberty and maturity before having consensual sex is better than walking up to
a stranger in a bar and proceeding to have relations with no valid proof of the intent of the person. Muhammad wins. ~ Fatihah
If they don't want to be killed then they have to subdue to the Islamic laws. - Uncung
Without God, you are lower than sh!t. ~ SpiritandTruth
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5/18/2015 1:06:54 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 5/18/2015 8:44:31 AM, Skepticalone wrote:
At 5/18/2015 8:17:25 AM, MadCornishBiker wrote:
At 5/18/2015 1:19:31 AM, Sosoconfused wrote:
Pew Research center put out their latest poll on religion.

Non-affiliated is now the second largest religious group. Agnostics/Atheists have more than doubled.

Millennials seem to be the largest population in this exodus with 35% (over 1/3) leaving the church.

http://www.pewforum.org...


I think this will bring about some interesting changes by the churches and religious institutions. Will we see more of this God of the gaps concept, or will we see a more militant church denying science and trying to scare people back into their seats?

Others may be, but the JWs continue to grow, slowly but surely, another 2% more joined than left in the 2014 service year.

2015 Yearbook page 186 ( In Downloaded or Hard copy versions only to download go to http://www.jw.org... )

For overall totals, see:

http://wol.jw.org...

I don't see where JW has increased by 2% from your link, AND the Pew link show JWs (in 7 years) have increased by .1%. Notice that is not 2% or 1%, but a tenth of a percent! A tenth of a percent in 7 years is a far cry from 2% in a single year, MCB.

Then you didn't read my post properly. I very carefully explained that the page the USA is listed on is only available in either the downloaded or hard copy version.

The Pew have no way of knowing what the numbers are..

The figures that the JWs use are compiled from the service reports of each individual JW.

Any JW who does not report 1 hour's service every month for 6 months is counted as inactive, and is not included in the totals.

However I shall compile the figures for the USA from my own downloaded copy if you wish

Population 322,583,000
2014 Peak Publishers 1,243,387
Ration publishers to population1:259
2014 Average publishers 1,186,598
% increase over 2013 2
2013 Average Publishers 1,167,723
2014 number baptised 36,064,
Average Auxiliary Pioneers 89,336
Average Pioneers 160,273
Congregations 13,871
Hours in ministry 274,164,941
Average bible studies 721,884
Memorial attendance 2,505,825

I don't know where Pew get their figures from but there is no way they can be accurate.

I should add, I suppose, that not all of the Publishers listed in the relevant columns are baptised, because the ministry is part of the training, but neither are they completely ignorant of the truth either.

Baptism is a very serious step not to be taken lightly, and is only granted to those who show a certainly level of scriptural maturity.

The point being that only active ministers are included in those figures whether baptised or not.
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5/18/2015 1:08:34 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 5/18/2015 12:55:35 PM, DanneJeRusse wrote:
At 5/18/2015 10:35:10 AM, Fatihah wrote:
At 5/18/2015 1:19:31 AM, Sosoconfused wrote:
Pew Research center put out their latest poll on religion.

Non-affiliated is now the second largest religious group. Agnostics/Atheists have more than doubled.

Millennials seem to be the largest population in this exodus with 35% (over 1/3) leaving the church.

http://www.pewforum.org...


I think this will bring about some interesting changes by the churches and religious institutions. Will we see more of this God of the gaps concept, or will we see a more militant church denying science and trying to scare people back into their seats?

Response: The US leads the world in campaigning freedom. Not morals. The US leads the world in campaigning self-interest. Not humanitarianism.

Sounds a whole lot like what Islam promotes, no morals or humanitarianism.

The evidence of God's existence is still crystal clear.

Yes, non-existent.

Only to those too blind to see.

2 Corinthians 4:3-4
ASV(i) 3 And even if our gospel is veiled, it is veiled in them that perish: 4 in whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of the unbelieving, that the light of the gospel of the glory of Christ, who is the image of God, should not dawn upon them.

Matthew 13:15
ASV(i) 15 For this peoples heart is waxed gross, And their ears are dull of hearing, And their eyes they have closed; Lest haply they should perceive with their eyes, And hear with their ears, And understand with their heart, And should turn again, And I should heal them.
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5/18/2015 1:10:09 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 5/18/2015 1:06:54 PM, MadCornishBiker wrote:

However I shall compile the figures for the USA from my own downloaded copy if you wish

Population 322,583,000
2014 Peak Publishers 1,243,387
Ration publishers to population1:259
2014 Average publishers 1,186,598
% increase over 2013 2
2013 Average Publishers 1,167,723
2014 number baptised 36,064,
Average Auxiliary Pioneers 89,336
Average Pioneers 160,273
Congregations 13,871
Hours in ministry 274,164,941
Average bible studies 721,884
Memorial attendance 2,505,825

Do you have any figures on how many people have left the JW's over the same time period?
Marrying a 6 year old and waiting until she reaches puberty and maturity before having consensual sex is better than walking up to
a stranger in a bar and proceeding to have relations with no valid proof of the intent of the person. Muhammad wins. ~ Fatihah
If they don't want to be killed then they have to subdue to the Islamic laws. - Uncung
Without God, you are lower than sh!t. ~ SpiritandTruth
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5/18/2015 1:23:05 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 5/18/2015 9:03:12 AM, DanneJeRusse wrote:
At 5/18/2015 8:44:31 AM, Skepticalone wrote:
At 5/18/2015 8:17:25 AM, MadCornishBiker wrote:
At 5/18/2015 1:19:31 AM, Sosoconfused wrote:
Pew Research center put out their latest poll on religion.

Non-affiliated is now the second largest religious group. Agnostics/Atheists have more than doubled.

Millennials seem to be the largest population in this exodus with 35% (over 1/3) leaving the church.

http://www.pewforum.org...


I think this will bring about some interesting changes by the churches and religious institutions. Will we see more of this God of the gaps concept, or will we see a more militant church denying science and trying to scare people back into their seats?

Others may be, but the JWs continue to grow, slowly but surely, another 2% more joined than left in the 2014 service year.

2015 Yearbook page 186 ( In Downloaded or Hard copy versions only to download go to http://www.jw.org... )

For overall totals, see:

http://wol.jw.org...

I don't see where JW has increased by 2% from your link, AND the Pew link show JWs (in 7 years) have increased by .1%. Notice that is not 2% or 1%, but a tenth of a percent! A tenth of a percent in 7 years is a far cray from 2% in a single year, MCB.

Usually, in and around 2-3% takes into account the birth rates within the demographic, so if the increase is only a tenth of a percent, that means the demographic didn't even keep up with birth rates, meaning people are leaving, not joining.

Sorry, that doesn't work.

Unfortunately there is no record of the birthrate within the demographic of the JWs, so you have nothing to compare it with.

The earth wide 2% increase simply shows that 3% more have come in than have left.

Some of those who have left were born to JW families, some were not. I have no figures for what the proportions are between leavers who were born to JW parents and those who were not.

The important point to note is that it is only active publishers which are included, hence the difference between the peak figures, which represent the most people reporting in the ministry in any one month, baptised or not makes no difference, and the Average which is, as it implies, 12 monthly totals added together and divided by 12.

Each monthly total represents every JW reporting at least 1 hour preaching in the ministry in the relevant month.

To get the full picture you really need to download the 2015 yearbook and then you can see which countries have increased, and by how much, as well as which countries have had a decrease that year, because of course the grand totals are an average of all reporting countries.
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5/18/2015 1:34:09 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 5/18/2015 1:23:05 PM, MadCornishBiker wrote:
At 5/18/2015 9:03:12 AM, DanneJeRusse wrote:
At 5/18/2015 8:44:31 AM, Skepticalone wrote:
At 5/18/2015 8:17:25 AM, MadCornishBiker wrote:
At 5/18/2015 1:19:31 AM, Sosoconfused wrote:
Pew Research center put out their latest poll on religion.

Non-affiliated is now the second largest religious group. Agnostics/Atheists have more than doubled.

Millennials seem to be the largest population in this exodus with 35% (over 1/3) leaving the church.

http://www.pewforum.org...


I think this will bring about some interesting changes by the churches and religious institutions. Will we see more of this God of the gaps concept, or will we see a more militant church denying science and trying to scare people back into their seats?

Others may be, but the JWs continue to grow, slowly but surely, another 2% more joined than left in the 2014 service year.

2015 Yearbook page 186 ( In Downloaded or Hard copy versions only to download go to http://www.jw.org... )

For overall totals, see:

http://wol.jw.org...

I don't see where JW has increased by 2% from your link, AND the Pew link show JWs (in 7 years) have increased by .1%. Notice that is not 2% or 1%, but a tenth of a percent! A tenth of a percent in 7 years is a far cray from 2% in a single year, MCB.

Usually, in and around 2-3% takes into account the birth rates within the demographic, so if the increase is only a tenth of a percent, that means the demographic didn't even keep up with birth rates, meaning people are leaving, not joining.

Sorry, that doesn't work.

Unfortunately there is no record of the birthrate within the demographic of the JWs, so you have nothing to compare it with.

But, there are birth rates of the populace, so it's easy to correlate that with ones religious affiliation.

The earth wide 2% increase simply shows that 3% more have come in than have left.

How does that work?

Some of those who have left were born to JW families, some were not. I have no figures for what the proportions are between leavers who were born to JW parents and those who were not.

Then, your figures above could very well be skewed.

The important point to note is that it is only active publishers which are included, hence the difference between the peak figures, which represent the most people reporting in the ministry in any one month, baptised or not makes no difference, and the Average which is, as it implies, 12 monthly totals added together and divided by 12.

Each monthly total represents every JW reporting at least 1 hour preaching in the ministry in the relevant month.

To get the full picture you really need to download the 2015 yearbook and then you can see which countries have increased, and by how much, as well as which countries have had a decrease that year, because of course the grand totals are an average of all reporting countries.

Ah, so there are figures on the decrease of membership.
Marrying a 6 year old and waiting until she reaches puberty and maturity before having consensual sex is better than walking up to
a stranger in a bar and proceeding to have relations with no valid proof of the intent of the person. Muhammad wins. ~ Fatihah
If they don't want to be killed then they have to subdue to the Islamic laws. - Uncung
Without God, you are lower than sh!t. ~ SpiritandTruth
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5/18/2015 1:37:55 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 5/18/2015 1:10:09 PM, DanneJeRusse wrote:
At 5/18/2015 1:06:54 PM, MadCornishBiker wrote:

However I shall compile the figures for the USA from my own downloaded copy if you wish

Population 322,583,000
2014 Peak Publishers 1,243,387
Ration publishers to population1:259
2014 Average publishers 1,186,598
% increase over 2013 2
2013 Average Publishers 1,167,723
2014 number baptised 36,064,
Average Auxiliary Pioneers 89,336
Average Pioneers 160,273
Congregations 13,871
Hours in ministry 274,164,941
Average bible studies 721,884
Memorial attendance 2,505,825

Do you have any figures on how many people have left the JW's over the same time period?

No, once they have gone they have gone,.

On the other hand we have no figures for how many have joined in either.

The only thing we know is that as those figures show since there are 2% more active ministers (publishers) during the 2014 service year than the previous year 2% more have come in than gone out.

The only recognition that JWs give to the numbers coming in and going out is that single increase figure.

If you were to download the 2015 yearbook and look at the full list of countries you will see that in some lands more have gone out than come in, in some more have come in than gone out, and in a few there is no significant change,
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5/18/2015 1:40:15 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 5/18/2015 1:34:09 PM, DanneJeRusse wrote:
At 5/18/2015 1:23:05 PM, MadCornishBiker wrote:
At 5/18/2015 9:03:12 AM, DanneJeRusse wrote:
At 5/18/2015 8:44:31 AM, Skepticalone wrote:
At 5/18/2015 8:17:25 AM, MadCornishBiker wrote:
At 5/18/2015 1:19:31 AM, Sosoconfused wrote:
Pew Research center put out their latest poll on religion.

Non-affiliated is now the second largest religious group. Agnostics/Atheists have more than doubled.

Millennials seem to be the largest population in this exodus with 35% (over 1/3) leaving the church.

http://www.pewforum.org...


I think this will bring about some interesting changes by the churches and religious institutions. Will we see more of this God of the gaps concept, or will we see a more militant church denying science and trying to scare people back into their seats?

Others may be, but the JWs continue to grow, slowly but surely, another 2% more joined than left in the 2014 service year.

2015 Yearbook page 186 ( In Downloaded or Hard copy versions only to download go to http://www.jw.org... )

For overall totals, see:

http://wol.jw.org...

I don't see where JW has increased by 2% from your link, AND the Pew link show JWs (in 7 years) have increased by .1%. Notice that is not 2% or 1%, but a tenth of a percent! A tenth of a percent in 7 years is a far cray from 2% in a single year, MCB.

Usually, in and around 2-3% takes into account the birth rates within the demographic, so if the increase is only a tenth of a percent, that means the demographic didn't even keep up with birth rates, meaning people are leaving, not joining.

Sorry, that doesn't work.

Unfortunately there is no record of the birthrate within the demographic of the JWs, so you have nothing to compare it with.

But, there are birth rates of the populace, so it's easy to correlate that with ones religious affiliation.

The earth wide 2% increase simply shows that 3% more have come in than have left.

How does that work?

Some of those who have left were born to JW families, some were not. I have no figures for what the proportions are between leavers who were born to JW parents and those who were not.

Then, your figures above could very well be skewed.

The important point to note is that it is only active publishers which are included, hence the difference between the peak figures, which represent the most people reporting in the ministry in any one month, baptised or not makes no difference, and the Average which is, as it implies, 12 monthly totals added together and divided by 12.

Each monthly total represents every JW reporting at least 1 hour preaching in the ministry in the relevant month.

To get the full picture you really need to download the 2015 yearbook and then you can see which countries have increased, and by how much, as well as which countries have had a decrease that year, because of course the grand totals are an average of all reporting countries.

Ah, so there are figures on the decrease of membership.

In countries where there is a decrease, yes, but as I say, if you want to see then you will have to download the 2015 yearbook.

I cannot swear to this. but I believe most countries have suffered the occasional year of decrease, including the USA.
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5/18/2015 1:42:13 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 5/18/2015 1:37:55 PM, MadCornishBiker wrote:
At 5/18/2015 1:10:09 PM, DanneJeRusse wrote:
At 5/18/2015 1:06:54 PM, MadCornishBiker wrote:

However I shall compile the figures for the USA from my own downloaded copy if you wish

Population 322,583,000
2014 Peak Publishers 1,243,387
Ration publishers to population1:259
2014 Average publishers 1,186,598
% increase over 2013 2
2013 Average Publishers 1,167,723
2014 number baptised 36,064,
Average Auxiliary Pioneers 89,336
Average Pioneers 160,273
Congregations 13,871
Hours in ministry 274,164,941
Average bible studies 721,884
Memorial attendance 2,505,825

Do you have any figures on how many people have left the JW's over the same time period?

No, once they have gone they have gone,.

On the other hand we have no figures for how many have joined in either.

The only thing we know is that as those figures show since there are 2% more active ministers (publishers) during the 2014 service year than the previous year 2% more have come in than gone out.

The only recognition that JWs give to the numbers coming in and going out is that single increase figure.

If you were to download the 2015 yearbook and look at the full list of countries you will see that in some lands more have gone out than come in, in some more have come in than gone out, and in a few there is no significant change,

With many other religious polls that I have seen over the years, 2-3% usually is the result of the birth rate, which often means the religion is gaining as many converts as it loses.
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5/18/2015 1:42:59 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 5/18/2015 1:34:09 PM, DanneJeRusse wrote:
At 5/18/2015 1:23:05 PM, MadCornishBiker wrote:
At 5/18/2015 9:03:12 AM, DanneJeRusse wrote:
At 5/18/2015 8:44:31 AM, Skepticalone wrote:
At 5/18/2015 8:17:25 AM, MadCornishBiker wrote:
At 5/18/2015 1:19:31 AM, Sosoconfused wrote:
Pew Research center put out their latest poll on religion.

Non-affiliated is now the second largest religious group. Agnostics/Atheists have more than doubled.

Millennials seem to be the largest population in this exodus with 35% (over 1/3) leaving the church.

http://www.pewforum.org...


I think this will bring about some interesting changes by the churches and religious institutions. Will we see more of this God of the gaps concept, or will we see a more militant church denying science and trying to scare people back into their seats?

Others may be, but the JWs continue to grow, slowly but surely, another 2% more joined than left in the 2014 service year.

2015 Yearbook page 186 ( In Downloaded or Hard copy versions only to download go to http://www.jw.org... )

For overall totals, see:

http://wol.jw.org...

I don't see where JW has increased by 2% from your link, AND the Pew link show JWs (in 7 years) have increased by .1%. Notice that is not 2% or 1%, but a tenth of a percent! A tenth of a percent in 7 years is a far cray from 2% in a single year, MCB.

Usually, in and around 2-3% takes into account the birth rates within the demographic, so if the increase is only a tenth of a percent, that means the demographic didn't even keep up with birth rates, meaning people are leaving, not joining.

Sorry, that doesn't work.

Unfortunately there is no record of the birthrate within the demographic of the JWs, so you have nothing to compare it with.

But, there are birth rates of the populace, so it's easy to correlate that with ones religious affiliation.

The earth wide 2% increase simply shows that 3% more have come in than have left.

How does that work?

Some of those who have left were born to JW families, some were not. I have no figures for what the proportions are between leavers who were born to JW parents and those who were not.

Then, your figures above could very well be skewed.

No, they cannot be. After all it makes no difference how many of those who have left were born to JW parents and how many were not. All that matters is that they have left.


The important point to note is that it is only active publishers which are included, hence the difference between the peak figures, which represent the most people reporting in the ministry in any one month, baptised or not makes no difference, and the Average which is, as it implies, 12 monthly totals added together and divided by 12.

Each monthly total represents every JW reporting at least 1 hour preaching in the ministry in the relevant month.

To get the full picture you really need to download the 2015 yearbook and then you can see which countries have increased, and by how much, as well as which countries have had a decrease that year, because of course the grand totals are an average of all reporting countries.

Ah, so there are figures on the decrease of membership.
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5/18/2015 1:47:28 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 5/18/2015 1:19:31 AM, Sosoconfused wrote:
Pew Research center put out their latest poll on religion.

Non-affiliated is now the second largest religious group. Agnostics/Atheists have more than doubled.

Millennials seem to be the largest population in this exodus with 35% (over 1/3) leaving the church.

http://www.pewforum.org...


I think this will bring about some interesting changes by the churches and religious institutions. Will we see more of this God of the gaps concept, or will we see a more militant church denying science and trying to scare people back into their seats?

Ah so it is simply a poll, not an accurate record.

Probably why they appear to have the percentage of JWs so skewed, since it would depend on how many of them they happened to meet and ask.
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5/18/2015 3:50:24 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 5/18/2015 1:42:13 PM, DanneJeRusse wrote:
At 5/18/2015 1:37:55 PM, MadCornishBiker wrote:
At 5/18/2015 1:10:09 PM, DanneJeRusse wrote:
At 5/18/2015 1:06:54 PM, MadCornishBiker wrote:

However I shall compile the figures for the USA from my own downloaded copy if you wish

Population 322,583,000
2014 Peak Publishers 1,243,387
Ration publishers to population1:259
2014 Average publishers 1,186,598
% increase over 2013 2
2013 Average Publishers 1,167,723
2014 number baptised 36,064,
Average Auxiliary Pioneers 89,336
Average Pioneers 160,273
Congregations 13,871
Hours in ministry 274,164,941
Average bible studies 721,884
Memorial attendance 2,505,825

Do you have any figures on how many people have left the JW's over the same time period?

No, once they have gone they have gone,.

On the other hand we have no figures for how many have joined in either.

The only thing we know is that as those figures show since there are 2% more active ministers (publishers) during the 2014 service year than the previous year 2% more have come in than gone out.

The only recognition that JWs give to the numbers coming in and going out is that single increase figure.

If you were to download the 2015 yearbook and look at the full list of countries you will see that in some lands more have gone out than come in, in some more have come in than gone out, and in a few there is no significant change,

With many other religious polls that I have seen over the years, 2-3% usually is the result of the birth rate, which often means the religion is gaining as many converts as it loses.

I wouldn't know about that but Polls are notoriously inaccurate.

What I have given you are the actual figures for active JWs.

What the yearbooks give us are the annual figures for each country that is able to report it's activity.

They also give you the population figures and the ration between Publishers and the total populations as a 1:? figure so where it says the ratio is 123,456 that is 1 publisher to 123,456 of the population so for instance there is 1 publisher for every 259 people in the USA.
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5/18/2015 3:59:11 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 5/18/2015 12:39:16 PM, MadCornishBiker wrote:
At 5/18/2015 10:35:10 AM, Fatihah wrote:
At 5/18/2015 1:19:31 AM, Sosoconfused wrote:
Pew Research center put out their latest poll on religion.

Non-affiliated is now the second largest religious group. Agnostics/Atheists have more than doubled.

Millennials seem to be the largest population in this exodus with 35% (over 1/3) leaving the church.

http://www.pewforum.org...


I think this will bring about some interesting changes by the churches and religious institutions. Will we see more of this God of the gaps concept, or will we see a more militant church denying science and trying to scare people back into their seats?

Response: The US leads the world in campaigning freedom. Not morals. The US leads the world in campaigning self-interest. Not humanitarianism. So because of these two attractions of being free to satisfy one's own selfish interests and not be obligated to put morality first is the reason for the increase of atheists and agnostics. It's not based on atheism and agnosticism being the more rational choice. The evidence of God's existence is still crystal clear.

The US does not campaign for freedom, they are not free themselves so how can they.

They simply campaign for things to be done their way, which in the end can only mean servitude to Satan's world.

That is true whatever government rules over you since Satan is backer to them all.

Not for much longer however, because before long Satan will maneuver them into direct opposition to Jehovah and that will mean their end.

Revelation 16:13-14
ASV(i) 13 And I saw coming out of the mouth of the dragon, and out of the mouth of the beast, and out of the mouth of the false prophet, three unclean spirits, as it were frogs: 14 for they are spirits of demons, working signs; which go forth unto the kings of the whole world, to gather them together unto the war of the great day of God, the Almighty.

Then Danial 2:44 will be fulfilled.

Yes, MCB, soon... like in another 2 thousand years, perhaps?
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5/18/2015 4:13:49 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 5/18/2015 1:10:09 PM, DanneJeRusse wrote:
At 5/18/2015 1:06:54 PM, MadCornishBiker wrote:

However I shall compile the figures for the USA from my own downloaded copy if you wish

Population 322,583,000
2014 Peak Publishers 1,243,387
Ration publishers to population1:259
2014 Average publishers 1,186,598
% increase over 2013 2
2013 Average Publishers 1,167,723
2014 number baptised 36,064,
Average Auxiliary Pioneers 89,336
Average Pioneers 160,273
Congregations 13,871
Hours in ministry 274,164,941
Average bible studies 721,884
Memorial attendance 2,505,825

Do you have any figures on how many people have left the JW's over the same time period?

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5/19/2015 6:24:01 AM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 5/18/2015 4:13:49 PM, Skepticalone wrote:
At 5/18/2015 1:10:09 PM, DanneJeRusse wrote:
At 5/18/2015 1:06:54 PM, MadCornishBiker wrote:

However I shall compile the figures for the USA from my own downloaded copy if you wish

Population 322,583,000
2014 Peak Publishers 1,243,387
Ration publishers to population1:259
2014 Average publishers 1,186,598
% increase over 2013 2
2013 Average Publishers 1,167,723
2014 number baptised 36,064,
Average Auxiliary Pioneers 89,336
Average Pioneers 160,273
Congregations 13,871
Hours in ministry 274,164,941
Average bible studies 721,884
Memorial attendance 2,505,825

Do you have any figures on how many people have left the JW's over the same time period?

+1

No, I would imagine it has been more than 1, lol, but the only thing that matters is that more have come in, hence the increase.
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5/19/2015 6:34:40 AM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 5/18/2015 3:59:11 PM, ThinkFirst wrote:
At 5/18/2015 12:39:16 PM, MadCornishBiker wrote:
At 5/18/2015 10:35:10 AM, Fatihah wrote:
At 5/18/2015 1:19:31 AM, Sosoconfused wrote:
Pew Research center put out their latest poll on religion.

Non-affiliated is now the second largest religious group. Agnostics/Atheists have more than doubled.

Millennials seem to be the largest population in this exodus with 35% (over 1/3) leaving the church.

http://www.pewforum.org...


I think this will bring about some interesting changes by the churches and religious institutions. Will we see more of this God of the gaps concept, or will we see a more militant church denying science and trying to scare people back into their seats?

Response: The US leads the world in campaigning freedom. Not morals. The US leads the world in campaigning self-interest. Not humanitarianism. So because of these two attractions of being free to satisfy one's own selfish interests and not be obligated to put morality first is the reason for the increase of atheists and agnostics. It's not based on atheism and agnosticism being the more rational choice. The evidence of God's existence is still crystal clear.

The US does not campaign for freedom, they are not free themselves so how can they.

They simply campaign for things to be done their way, which in the end can only mean servitude to Satan's world.

That is true whatever government rules over you since Satan is backer to them all.

Not for much longer however, because before long Satan will maneuver them into direct opposition to Jehovah and that will mean their end.

Revelation 16:13-14
ASV(i) 13 And I saw coming out of the mouth of the dragon, and out of the mouth of the beast, and out of the mouth of the false prophet, three unclean spirits, as it were frogs: 14 for they are spirits of demons, working signs; which go forth unto the kings of the whole world, to gather them together unto the war of the great day of God, the Almighty.

Then Danial 2:44 will be fulfilled.

Yes, MCB, soon... like in another 2 thousand years, perhaps?

No, it will happen long before that. If it does not other prophecies will have failed, and that cannot happen.

Jehovah's timetable for some things is rigid, with others, like Armageddon which brings about the fulfilment of Daniel 2:44, are more flexible inside their fixed limits.

The end of the Gentile Times, and with it Christ's right to rule the earth, was a rigidly timed prophecy, timed for 1914.

The end of his reign and his handing the Kingdom over to his father is also rigidly timed, for 1,000 years alter.

Between those times, and in this order we have:

The tribulation Christ foretold - currently building up quite nicely in the background.
Armageddon - which brings that to an end, and removes all false religion as well as human government (Daniel 2:44).

The resurrection of the dead, and their teaching. - Since there will be billions brought back, and few to greet them presumably this will be done in stages.

The opportunity for the resurrected to practice living Jehovah's way in their new, eternally living bodies. - I cannot see this lasting for less than a few centuries.

The final test - no-one knows when this will happen, but it will be a reasonable length of time before the end of the 1,000 years, nor do we know how long it will last.

Then the kingdom is handed back to Jehovah by his son, and all will be returned to what was originally planned.

Fitting all that into the next 900 years does not leave much time for the tribulation to reach it's peak and Armageddon to start.
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5/19/2015 6:44:01 AM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 5/19/2015 6:34:40 AM, MadCornishBiker wrote:
At 5/18/2015 3:59:11 PM, ThinkFirst wrote:
At 5/18/2015 12:39:16 PM, MadCornishBiker wrote:
At 5/18/2015 10:35:10 AM, Fatihah wrote:
At 5/18/2015 1:19:31 AM, Sosoconfused wrote:
Pew Research center put out their latest poll on religion.

Non-affiliated is now the second largest religious group. Agnostics/Atheists have more than doubled.

Millennials seem to be the largest population in this exodus with 35% (over 1/3) leaving the church.

http://www.pewforum.org...


I think this will bring about some interesting changes by the churches and religious institutions. Will we see more of this God of the gaps concept, or will we see a more militant church denying science and trying to scare people back into their seats?

Response: The US leads the world in campaigning freedom. Not morals. The US leads the world in campaigning self-interest. Not humanitarianism. So because of these two attractions of being free to satisfy one's own selfish interests and not be obligated to put morality first is the reason for the increase of atheists and agnostics. It's not based on atheism and agnosticism being the more rational choice. The evidence of God's existence is still crystal clear.

The US does not campaign for freedom, they are not free themselves so how can they.

They simply campaign for things to be done their way, which in the end can only mean servitude to Satan's world.

That is true whatever government rules over you since Satan is backer to them all.

Not for much longer however, because before long Satan will maneuver them into direct opposition to Jehovah and that will mean their end.

Revelation 16:13-14
ASV(i) 13 And I saw coming out of the mouth of the dragon, and out of the mouth of the beast, and out of the mouth of the false prophet, three unclean spirits, as it were frogs: 14 for they are spirits of demons, working signs; which go forth unto the kings of the whole world, to gather them together unto the war of the great day of God, the Almighty.

Then Danial 2:44 will be fulfilled.

Yes, MCB, soon... like in another 2 thousand years, perhaps?

No, it will happen long before that. If it does not other prophecies will have failed, and that cannot happen.

Jehovah's timetable for some things is rigid, with others, like Armageddon which brings about the fulfilment of Daniel 2:44, are more flexible inside their fixed limits.

The end of the Gentile Times, and with it Christ's right to rule the earth, was a rigidly timed prophecy, timed for 1914.

The end of his reign and his handing the Kingdom over to his father is also rigidly timed, for 1,000 years alter.

Between those times, and in this order we have:

The tribulation Christ foretold - currently building up quite nicely in the background.
Armageddon - which brings that to an end, and removes all false religion as well as human government (Daniel 2:44).

The resurrection of the dead, and their teaching. - Since there will be billions brought back, and few to greet them presumably this will be done in stages.

The opportunity for the resurrected to practice living Jehovah's way in their new, eternally living bodies. - I cannot see this lasting for less than a few centuries.

The final test - no-one knows when this will happen, but it will be a reasonable length of time before the end of the 1,000 years, nor do we know how long it will last.

Then the kingdom is handed back to Jehovah by his son, and all will be returned to what was originally planned.

Fitting all that into the next 900 years does not leave much time for the tribulation to reach it's peak and Armageddon to start.

By the way, MCB... Your bible is garbage. No prophecy, no fulfillment, no armageddon, no satan, no angels, no god of the bible is real. Ancient ignorant desert nomads who knew next to nothing wrote that book, and you waste your time trying to follow it.

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5/19/2015 7:46:48 AM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 5/19/2015 6:44:01 AM, ThinkFirst wrote:
At 5/19/2015 6:34:40 AM, MadCornishBiker wrote:
At 5/18/2015 3:59:11 PM, ThinkFirst wrote:
At 5/18/2015 12:39:16 PM, MadCornishBiker wrote:
At 5/18/2015 10:35:10 AM, Fatihah wrote:
At 5/18/2015 1:19:31 AM, Sosoconfused wrote:
Pew Research center put out their latest poll on religion.

Non-affiliated is now the second largest religious group. Agnostics/Atheists have more than doubled.

Millennials seem to be the largest population in this exodus with 35% (over 1/3) leaving the church.

http://www.pewforum.org...


I think this will bring about some interesting changes by the churches and religious institutions. Will we see more of this God of the gaps concept, or will we see a more militant church denying science and trying to scare people back into their seats?

Response: The US leads the world in campaigning freedom. Not morals. The US leads the world in campaigning self-interest. Not humanitarianism. So because of these two attractions of being free to satisfy one's own selfish interests and not be obligated to put morality first is the reason for the increase of atheists and agnostics. It's not based on atheism and agnosticism being the more rational choice. The evidence of God's existence is still crystal clear.

The US does not campaign for freedom, they are not free themselves so how can they.

They simply campaign for things to be done their way, which in the end can only mean servitude to Satan's world.

That is true whatever government rules over you since Satan is backer to them all.

Not for much longer however, because before long Satan will maneuver them into direct opposition to Jehovah and that will mean their end.

Revelation 16:13-14
ASV(i) 13 And I saw coming out of the mouth of the dragon, and out of the mouth of the beast, and out of the mouth of the false prophet, three unclean spirits, as it were frogs: 14 for they are spirits of demons, working signs; which go forth unto the kings of the whole world, to gather them together unto the war of the great day of God, the Almighty.

Then Danial 2:44 will be fulfilled.

Yes, MCB, soon... like in another 2 thousand years, perhaps?

No, it will happen long before that. If it does not other prophecies will have failed, and that cannot happen.

Jehovah's timetable for some things is rigid, with others, like Armageddon which brings about the fulfilment of Daniel 2:44, are more flexible inside their fixed limits.

The end of the Gentile Times, and with it Christ's right to rule the earth, was a rigidly timed prophecy, timed for 1914.

The end of his reign and his handing the Kingdom over to his father is also rigidly timed, for 1,000 years alter.

Between those times, and in this order we have:

The tribulation Christ foretold - currently building up quite nicely in the background.
Armageddon - which brings that to an end, and removes all false religion as well as human government (Daniel 2:44).

The resurrection of the dead, and their teaching. - Since there will be billions brought back, and few to greet them presumably this will be done in stages.

The opportunity for the resurrected to practice living Jehovah's way in their new, eternally living bodies. - I cannot see this lasting for less than a few centuries.

The final test - no-one knows when this will happen, but it will be a reasonable length of time before the end of the 1,000 years, nor do we know how long it will last.

Then the kingdom is handed back to Jehovah by his son, and all will be returned to what was originally planned.

Fitting all that into the next 900 years does not leave much time for the tribulation to reach it's peak and Armageddon to start.

By the way, MCB... Your bible is garbage. No prophecy, no fulfillment, no armageddon, no satan, no angels, no god of the bible is real. Ancient ignorant desert nomads who knew next to nothing wrote that book, and you waste your time trying to follow it.

Waste
of
Time

Well, you are welcome to that opinion, but unfortunately for you it is wrong.
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5/19/2015 7:52:47 AM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 5/19/2015 7:46:48 AM, MadCornishBiker wrote:
At 5/19/2015 6:44:01 AM, ThinkFirst wrote:
At 5/19/2015 6:34:40 AM, MadCornishBiker wrote:
At 5/18/2015 3:59:11 PM, ThinkFirst wrote:
At 5/18/2015 12:39:16 PM, MadCornishBiker wrote:
At 5/18/2015 10:35:10 AM, Fatihah wrote:
At 5/18/2015 1:19:31 AM, Sosoconfused wrote:
Pew Research center put out their latest poll on religion.

Non-affiliated is now the second largest religious group. Agnostics/Atheists have more than doubled.

Millennials seem to be the largest population in this exodus with 35% (over 1/3) leaving the church.

http://www.pewforum.org...


I think this will bring about some interesting changes by the churches and religious institutions. Will we see more of this God of the gaps concept, or will we see a more militant church denying science and trying to scare people back into their seats?

Response: The US leads the world in campaigning freedom. Not morals. The US leads the world in campaigning self-interest. Not humanitarianism. So because of these two attractions of being free to satisfy one's own selfish interests and not be obligated to put morality first is the reason for the increase of atheists and agnostics. It's not based on atheism and agnosticism being the more rational choice. The evidence of God's existence is still crystal clear.

The US does not campaign for freedom, they are not free themselves so how can they.

They simply campaign for things to be done their way, which in the end can only mean servitude to Satan's world.

That is true whatever government rules over you since Satan is backer to them all.

Not for much longer however, because before long Satan will maneuver them into direct opposition to Jehovah and that will mean their end.

Revelation 16:13-14
ASV(i) 13 And I saw coming out of the mouth of the dragon, and out of the mouth of the beast, and out of the mouth of the false prophet, three unclean spirits, as it were frogs: 14 for they are spirits of demons, working signs; which go forth unto the kings of the whole world, to gather them together unto the war of the great day of God, the Almighty.

Then Danial 2:44 will be fulfilled.

Yes, MCB, soon... like in another 2 thousand years, perhaps?

No, it will happen long before that. If it does not other prophecies will have failed, and that cannot happen.

Jehovah's timetable for some things is rigid, with others, like Armageddon which brings about the fulfilment of Daniel 2:44, are more flexible inside their fixed limits.

The end of the Gentile Times, and with it Christ's right to rule the earth, was a rigidly timed prophecy, timed for 1914.

The end of his reign and his handing the Kingdom over to his father is also rigidly timed, for 1,000 years alter.

Between those times, and in this order we have:

The tribulation Christ foretold - currently building up quite nicely in the background.
Armageddon - which brings that to an end, and removes all false religion as well as human government (Daniel 2:44).

The resurrection of the dead, and their teaching. - Since there will be billions brought back, and few to greet them presumably this will be done in stages.

The opportunity for the resurrected to practice living Jehovah's way in their new, eternally living bodies. - I cannot see this lasting for less than a few centuries.

The final test - no-one knows when this will happen, but it will be a reasonable length of time before the end of the 1,000 years, nor do we know how long it will last.

Then the kingdom is handed back to Jehovah by his son, and all will be returned to what was originally planned.

Fitting all that into the next 900 years does not leave much time for the tribulation to reach it's peak and Armageddon to start.

By the way, MCB... Your bible is garbage. No prophecy, no fulfillment, no armageddon, no satan, no angels, no god of the bible is real. Ancient ignorant desert nomads who knew next to nothing wrote that book, and you waste your time trying to follow it.

Waste
of
Time

Well, you are welcome to that opinion, but unfortunately for you it is wrong.

Yes, MCB... I'll go and change my entire way of life on the say so of a fat, deluded, ignorant, uneducated, adulterous fringe wing nut, accepting all the fantasies in a stupid archaic text full of lies, fantasy, and idiocy. I'll drop to my knees and worship your barbaric and vile god, because you told me I'm wrong. Because, of course, your OPINION is more valid than mine, right?
"Never attribute to villainy that which can be adequately explained by stupidity"
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"Men rarely if ever dream up a god superior to themselves. Most gods have the manners and morals of a spoiled child. "

-- Robert A Heinlein