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5/20/2015 3:38:01 PM
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I saw this debate http://www.debate.org...

I had never thought about it this way. Is there anyone who has a case that would indicate that Christ did not commit suicide?
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5/20/2015 5:16:41 PM
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At 5/20/2015 3:38:01 PM, kasmic wrote:
I saw this debate http://www.debate.org...

I had never thought about it this way. Is there anyone who has a case that would indicate that Christ did not commit suicide?

He didn"t hammer himself on the cross. I think it is obvious that he didn"t commit suicide.
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5/20/2015 5:21:39 PM
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At 5/20/2015 5:16:41 PM, 12_13 wrote:
At 5/20/2015 3:38:01 PM, kasmic wrote:
I saw this debate http://www.debate.org...

I had never thought about it this way. Is there anyone who has a case that would indicate that Christ did not commit suicide?

He didn"t hammer himself on the cross. I think it is obvious that he didn"t commit suicide.

If I am standing in the middle of a road, see a car heading towards me, and have the ability to avoid being hut, then it is my fault (at least partially) if I get hit (not talking about the legal sense of it).
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5/20/2015 5:43:52 PM
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At 5/20/2015 5:16:41 PM, 12_13 wrote:
At 5/20/2015 3:38:01 PM, kasmic wrote:
I saw this debate http://www.debate.org...

I had never thought about it this way. Is there anyone who has a case that would indicate that Christ did not commit suicide?

He didn"t hammer himself on the cross. I think it is obvious that he didn"t commit suicide.

I was always taught that Christ "gave" his life. That on the cross he would have survived and that he choose to "commend his spirit." Choosing to die as no man could take his life.
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5/20/2015 6:59:47 PM
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At 5/20/2015 5:43:52 PM, kasmic wrote:
At 5/20/2015 5:16:41 PM, 12_13 wrote:
At 5/20/2015 3:38:01 PM, kasmic wrote:
I saw this debate http://www.debate.org...

I had never thought about it this way. Is there anyone who has a case that would indicate that Christ did not commit suicide?

He didn"t hammer himself on the cross. I think it is obvious that he didn"t commit suicide.

I was always taught that Christ "gave" his life. That on the cross he would have survived and that he choose to "commend his spirit." Choosing to die as no man could take his life.

A sacrifice to save another is not suicide - even if you know that the outcome will be your own death.
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5/20/2015 7:18:26 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
No it was not a suicide, it's called a sacrifice and an offering. Neither the motive or the action demonstrates suicide.

Suicide is often carried out as a result of despair, the cause of which is frequently attributed to a mental disorder such as depression, bipolar disorder, schizophrenia, borderline personality disorder,[1] alcoholism, or drug abuse.[2] Stress factors such as financial difficulties or troubles with interpersonal relationships often play a role. Efforts to prevent suicide include limiting access to method of suicide such as firearms and poisons, treating mental illness and drug misuse, and improving economic circumstances. Although crisis hotlines are common, there is little evidence for their effectiveness.[3]

No it was an offering to God, there is no confusion about it.
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5/20/2015 7:28:43 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 5/20/2015 3:38:01 PM, kasmic wrote:
I saw this debate http://www.debate.org...

I had never thought about it this way. Is there anyone who has a case that would indicate that Christ did not commit suicide?

John 10:18 basically answers the question:

No man taketh it from me, but I lay it down of myself. I have power to lay it down, and I have power to take it again. This commandment have I received of my Father.

He was commanded to give his life, but no man could take it from him, so he had to make a sacrifice (giving his life, not taking it).

He commended his spirit to his Father. (Luke 23:46) That is not the action of someone taking his life; that is the action of someone giving it.

In Gethsemane, Christ asked not to drink the bitter cup. It makes sense that this would include the crucifixion. So he didn't give his life just to end it, but obediently, to do the Father's will.

In short, no, He didn't commit suicide. He obediently sacrificed a life that was returned to Him in great glory.
Thinking is extremely taxing on the gullible, and it takes hours to clear the smoke.
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5/20/2015 7:30:37 PM
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At 5/20/2015 3:38:01 PM, kasmic wrote:
I saw this debate http://www.debate.org...

I had never thought about it this way. Is there anyone who has a case that would indicate that Christ did not commit suicide?

It was neither suicide nor a sacrifice of any kind. An immortal being cannot die. There was no real death. Case closed.
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5/20/2015 7:35:44 PM
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At 5/20/2015 7:28:43 PM, Kyle_the_Heretic wrote:
At 5/20/2015 3:38:01 PM, kasmic wrote:
I saw this debate http://www.debate.org...

I had never thought about it this way. Is there anyone who has a case that would indicate that Christ did not commit suicide?

John 10:18 basically answers the question:

No man taketh it from me, but I lay it down of myself. I have power to lay it down, and I have power to take it again. This commandment have I received of my Father.

He was commanded to give his life, but no man could take it from him, so he had to make a sacrifice (giving his life, not taking it).

He commended his spirit to his Father. (Luke 23:46) That is not the action of someone taking his life; that is the action of someone giving it.

In Gethsemane, Christ asked not to drink the bitter cup. It makes sense that this would include the crucifixion. So he didn't give his life just to end it, but obediently, to do the Father's will.

In short, no, He didn't commit suicide. He obediently sacrificed a life that was returned to Him in great glory.

So obeying a command to give your life up is not suicide?

Does having the power to take your life back up make it not suicide?
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5/20/2015 7:35:59 PM
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At 5/20/2015 7:30:37 PM, dee-em wrote:
At 5/20/2015 3:38:01 PM, kasmic wrote:
I saw this debate http://www.debate.org...

I had never thought about it this way. Is there anyone who has a case that would indicate that Christ did not commit suicide?

It was neither suicide nor a sacrifice of any kind. An immortal being cannot die. There was no real death. Case closed.

Any Being can die in the flesh, but they live in spirit come on brother! the real daeth was in the flesh not spirit, that's why it wasn't a suicide, because Jesus was not trying to end life out of despair but rather an offering. Jesus knew full well that the flesh wasn't the end.
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5/20/2015 7:36:43 PM
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At 5/20/2015 7:28:43 PM, Kyle_the_Heretic wrote:
At 5/20/2015 3:38:01 PM, kasmic wrote:
I saw this debate http://www.debate.org...

I had never thought about it this way. Is there anyone who has a case that would indicate that Christ did not commit suicide?

John 10:18 basically answers the question:

No man taketh it from me, but I lay it down of myself. I have power to lay it down, and I have power to take it again. This commandment have I received of my Father.

He was commanded to give his life, but no man could take it from him, so he had to make a sacrifice (giving his life, not taking it).

He commended his spirit to his Father. (Luke 23:46) That is not the action of someone taking his life; that is the action of someone giving it.

In Gethsemane, Christ asked not to drink the bitter cup. It makes sense that this would include the crucifixion. So he didn't give his life just to end it, but obediently, to do the Father's will.

In short, no, He didn't commit suicide. He obediently sacrificed a life that was returned to Him in great glory.

Or is it the giving vs taking of his own life?
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5/20/2015 7:37:33 PM
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At 5/20/2015 7:35:44 PM, kasmic wrote:
At 5/20/2015 7:28:43 PM, Kyle_the_Heretic wrote:
At 5/20/2015 3:38:01 PM, kasmic wrote:
I saw this debate http://www.debate.org...

I had never thought about it this way. Is there anyone who has a case that would indicate that Christ did not commit suicide?

John 10:18 basically answers the question:

No man taketh it from me, but I lay it down of myself. I have power to lay it down, and I have power to take it again. This commandment have I received of my Father.

He was commanded to give his life, but no man could take it from him, so he had to make a sacrifice (giving his life, not taking it).

He commended his spirit to his Father. (Luke 23:46) That is not the action of someone taking his life; that is the action of someone giving it.

In Gethsemane, Christ asked not to drink the bitter cup. It makes sense that this would include the crucifixion. So he didn't give his life just to end it, but obediently, to do the Father's will.

In short, no, He didn't commit suicide. He obediently sacrificed a life that was returned to Him in great glory.

So obeying a command to give your life up is not suicide?

Does having the power to take your life back up make it not suicide?

Read the definition of suicide, then read the definition of sacrifice, simple stuff.
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5/20/2015 7:46:26 PM
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At 5/20/2015 7:35:59 PM, EtrnlVw wrote:
At 5/20/2015 7:30:37 PM, dee-em wrote:
At 5/20/2015 3:38:01 PM, kasmic wrote:
I saw this debate http://www.debate.org...

I had never thought about it this way. Is there anyone who has a case that would indicate that Christ did not commit suicide?

It was neither suicide nor a sacrifice of any kind. An immortal being cannot die. There was no real death. Case closed.

Any Being can die in the flesh, but they live in spirit come on brother! the real daeth was in the flesh not spirit, that's why it wasn't a suicide, because Jesus was not trying to end life out of despair but rather an offering.

Jesus, the Word, the Son of God, existed from the beginning.
Jesus, the Word, the Son of God, still exists.
Ergo, Jesus did not die. He is immortal.

Since there was no actual death (only the casting off of an Earthly body), there was no real sacrifice. The logic is irrefutable.

Jesus knew full well that the flesh wasn't the end.

Exactly! Thank you, we agree. There was no death and no sacrifice.
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5/20/2015 7:52:57 PM
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At 5/20/2015 7:46:26 PM, dee-em wrote:
At 5/20/2015 7:35:59 PM, EtrnlVw wrote:
At 5/20/2015 7:30:37 PM, dee-em wrote:
At 5/20/2015 3:38:01 PM, kasmic wrote:
I saw this debate http://www.debate.org...

I had never thought about it this way. Is there anyone who has a case that would indicate that Christ did not commit suicide?

It was neither suicide nor a sacrifice of any kind. An immortal being cannot die. There was no real death. Case closed.

Any Being can die in the flesh, but they live in spirit come on brother! the real daeth was in the flesh not spirit, that's why it wasn't a suicide, because Jesus was not trying to end life out of despair but rather an offering.

Jesus, the Word, the Son of God, existed from the beginning.
Jesus, the Word, the Son of God, still exists.
Ergo, Jesus did not die. He is immortal.

Since there was no actual death (only the casting off of an Earthly body), there was no real sacrifice. The logic is irrefutable.

That's ignorant, Jesus took the full punishment and all the pain that went with it. To say He did not die and sacrifice is completely idiotic, sorry.

Jesus knew full well that the flesh wasn't the end.

Exactly! Thank you, we agree. There was no death and no sacrifice.

Sacrifice is an offering, Jesus offered His body, sorry you are wrong and completely out of reality.
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5/20/2015 7:58:31 PM
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At 5/20/2015 7:37:33 PM, EtrnlVw wrote:
At 5/20/2015 7:35:44 PM, kasmic wrote:
At 5/20/2015 7:28:43 PM, Kyle_the_Heretic wrote:
At 5/20/2015 3:38:01 PM, kasmic wrote:
I saw this debate http://www.debate.org...

I had never thought about it this way. Is there anyone who has a case that would indicate that Christ did not commit suicide?

John 10:18 basically answers the question:

No man taketh it from me, but I lay it down of myself. I have power to lay it down, and I have power to take it again. This commandment have I received of my Father.

He was commanded to give his life, but no man could take it from him, so he had to make a sacrifice (giving his life, not taking it).

He commended his spirit to his Father. (Luke 23:46) That is not the action of someone taking his life; that is the action of someone giving it.

In Gethsemane, Christ asked not to drink the bitter cup. It makes sense that this would include the crucifixion. So he didn't give his life just to end it, but obediently, to do the Father's will.

In short, no, He didn't commit suicide. He obediently sacrificed a life that was returned to Him in great glory.

So obeying a command to give your life up is not suicide?

Does having the power to take your life back up make it not suicide?

Read the definition of suicide, then read the definition of sacrifice, simple stuff.

I repeat!!!!!!
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5/20/2015 8:03:23 PM
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At 5/20/2015 7:52:57 PM, EtrnlVw wrote:
At 5/20/2015 7:46:26 PM, dee-em wrote:
At 5/20/2015 7:35:59 PM, EtrnlVw wrote:
At 5/20/2015 7:30:37 PM, dee-em wrote:
At 5/20/2015 3:38:01 PM, kasmic wrote:
I saw this debate http://www.debate.org...

I had never thought about it this way. Is there anyone who has a case that would indicate that Christ did not commit suicide?

It was neither suicide nor a sacrifice of any kind. An immortal being cannot die. There was no real death. Case closed.

Any Being can die in the flesh, but they live in spirit come on brother! the real daeth was in the flesh not spirit, that's why it wasn't a suicide, because Jesus was not trying to end life out of despair but rather an offering.

Jesus, the Word, the Son of God, existed from the beginning.
Jesus, the Word, the Son of God, still exists.
Ergo, Jesus did not die. He is immortal.

Since there was no actual death (only the casting off of an Earthly body), there was no real sacrifice. The logic is irrefutable.

That's ignorant, Jesus took the full punishment and all the pain that went with it.

We're not discussing punishment and pain.

To say He did not die and sacrifice is completely idiotic, sorry.

Since Jesus still has his life, I fail to see how you justify that he died or that anything was sacrificed. He had every intention of giving up his Earthly body from the outset. Please point to what he sacrificed then. What has he lost?

Jesus knew full well that the flesh wasn't the end.

Exactly! Thank you, we agree. There was no death and no sacrifice.

Sacrifice is an offering, Jesus offered His body, sorry you are wrong and completely out of reality.

A fleshy body is nothing to an immortal God. It's like a set of clothing for us. He donned a human body and then he cast it off. Where was the sacrifice?
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5/20/2015 8:07:30 PM
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At 5/20/2015 3:38:01 PM, kasmic wrote:
I saw this debate http://www.debate.org...

I had never thought about it this way. Is there anyone who has a case that would indicate that Christ did not commit suicide?

He committed suicide by cop:

http://en.wikipedia.org...
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5/20/2015 8:39:40 PM
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At 5/20/2015 8:03:23 PM, dee-em wrote:
At 5/20/2015 7:52:57 PM, EtrnlVw wrote:
At 5/20/2015 7:46:26 PM, dee-em wrote:
At 5/20/2015 7:35:59 PM, EtrnlVw wrote:
At 5/20/2015 7:30:37 PM, dee-em wrote:
At 5/20/2015 3:38:01 PM, kasmic wrote:
I saw this debate http://www.debate.org...

I had never thought about it this way. Is there anyone who has a case that would indicate that Christ did not commit suicide?

It was neither suicide nor a sacrifice of any kind. An immortal being cannot die. There was no real death. Case closed.

Any Being can die in the flesh, but they live in spirit come on brother! the real daeth was in the flesh not spirit, that's why it wasn't a suicide, because Jesus was not trying to end life out of despair but rather an offering.

Jesus, the Word, the Son of God, existed from the beginning.
Jesus, the Word, the Son of God, still exists.
Ergo, Jesus did not die. He is immortal.

Since there was no actual death (only the casting off of an Earthly body), there was no real sacrifice. The logic is irrefutable.

That's ignorant, Jesus took the full punishment and all the pain that went with it.

We're not discussing punishment and pain.

Hmm then what does it mean to be beaten and hung on a cross?????

To say He did not die and sacrifice is completely idiotic, sorry.

Since Jesus still has his life, I fail to see how you justify that he died or that anything was sacrificed. He had every intention of giving up his Earthly body from the outset. Please point to what he sacrificed then. What has he lost?

IDIOTIC, you fail to see how He died, you fail to see what was sacrificed. Let me know when you get crucified on a cross and what you did not suffer.

Jesus knew full well that the flesh wasn't the end.

Exactly! Thank you, we agree. There was no death and no sacrifice.

Sacrifice is an offering, Jesus offered His body, sorry you are wrong and completely out of reality.

A fleshy body is nothing to an immortal God. It's like a set of clothing for us. He donned a human body and then he cast it off. Where was the sacrifice?

A sacrifice is an offering, show me how it was not an offering, show me how it was not an act of sacrifice and suffering. Dummy. The sacrifice was the physical offering of His body. The body of Christ suffered, suffered what you and I will never know.
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5/20/2015 8:46:27 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 5/20/2015 8:07:30 PM, dee-em wrote:
At 5/20/2015 3:38:01 PM, kasmic wrote:
I saw this debate http://www.debate.org...

I had never thought about it this way. Is there anyone who has a case that would indicate that Christ did not commit suicide?

He committed suicide by cop:

http://en.wikipedia.org...

Not as bright as I thought you were, disappointed actually.
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5/20/2015 8:47:30 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 5/20/2015 7:36:43 PM, kasmic wrote:
At 5/20/2015 7:28:43 PM, Kyle_the_Heretic wrote:
At 5/20/2015 3:38:01 PM, kasmic wrote:
I saw this debate http://www.debate.org...

I had never thought about it this way. Is there anyone who has a case that would indicate that Christ did not commit suicide?

John 10:18 basically answers the question:

No man taketh it from me, but I lay it down of myself. I have power to lay it down, and I have power to take it again. This commandment have I received of my Father.

He was commanded to give his life, but no man could take it from him, so he had to make a sacrifice (giving his life, not taking it).

He commended his spirit to his Father. (Luke 23:46) That is not the action of someone taking his life; that is the action of someone giving it.

In Gethsemane, Christ asked not to drink the bitter cup. It makes sense that this would include the crucifixion. So he didn't give his life just to end it, but obediently, to do the Father's will.

In short, no, He didn't commit suicide. He obediently sacrificed a life that was returned to Him in great glory.

Or is it the giving vs taking of his own life?

In response to this post, and #9, allow me to ask a question:

If a soldier jumps on a grenade, knowing it will kill him, to save the lives of all others nearby, has he committed suicide?
Thinking is extremely taxing on the gullible, and it takes hours to clear the smoke.
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5/20/2015 8:52:21 PM
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At 5/20/2015 8:03:23 PM, dee-em wrote:
At 5/20/2015 7:52:57 PM, EtrnlVw wrote:
At 5/20/2015 7:46:26 PM, dee-em wrote:
At 5/20/2015 7:35:59 PM, EtrnlVw wrote:
At 5/20/2015 7:30:37 PM, dee-em wrote:
At 5/20/2015 3:38:01 PM, kasmic wrote:
I saw this debate http://www.debate.org...

I had never thought about it this way. Is there anyone who has a case that would indicate that Christ did not commit suicide?

It was neither suicide nor a sacrifice of any kind. An immortal being cannot die. There was no real death. Case closed.

Any Being can die in the flesh, but they live in spirit come on brother! the real daeth was in the flesh not spirit, that's why it wasn't a suicide, because Jesus was not trying to end life out of despair but rather an offering.

Jesus, the Word, the Son of God, existed from the beginning.
Jesus, the Word, the Son of God, still exists.
Ergo, Jesus did not die. He is immortal.

Since there was no actual death (only the casting off of an Earthly body), there was no real sacrifice. The logic is irrefutable.

That's ignorant, Jesus took the full punishment and all the pain that went with it.

We're not discussing punishment and pain.

To say He did not die and sacrifice is completely idiotic, sorry.

Since Jesus still has his life, I fail to see how you justify that he died or that anything was sacrificed. He had every intention of giving up his Earthly body from the outset. Please point to what he sacrificed then. What has he lost?

Jesus knew full well that the flesh wasn't the end.

Exactly! Thank you, we agree. There was no death and no sacrifice.

Sacrifice is an offering, Jesus offered His body, sorry you are wrong and completely out of reality.

A fleshy body is nothing to an immortal God. It's like a set of clothing for us. He donned a human body and then he cast it off. Where was the sacrifice?

IDIOTIC, idiotic, no other words describe your idiocy. Complete lack of understanding and reasoning. IDIOTIC!
Can't believe you would even say these things.
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5/20/2015 8:54:51 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 5/20/2015 8:39:40 PM, EtrnlVw wrote:
At 5/20/2015 8:03:23 PM, dee-em wrote:
At 5/20/2015 7:52:57 PM, EtrnlVw wrote:
At 5/20/2015 7:46:26 PM, dee-em wrote:
At 5/20/2015 7:35:59 PM, EtrnlVw wrote:
At 5/20/2015 7:30:37 PM, dee-em wrote:
At 5/20/2015 3:38:01 PM, kasmic wrote:
I saw this debate http://www.debate.org...

I had never thought about it this way. Is there anyone who has a case that would indicate that Christ did not commit suicide?

It was neither suicide nor a sacrifice of any kind. An immortal being cannot die. There was no real death. Case closed.

Any Being can die in the flesh, but they live in spirit come on brother! the real daeth was in the flesh not spirit, that's why it wasn't a suicide, because Jesus was not trying to end life out of despair but rather an offering.

Jesus, the Word, the Son of God, existed from the beginning.
Jesus, the Word, the Son of God, still exists.
Ergo, Jesus did not die. He is immortal.

Since there was no actual death (only the casting off of an Earthly body), there was no real sacrifice. The logic is irrefutable.

That's ignorant, Jesus took the full punishment and all the pain that went with it.

We're not discussing punishment and pain.

Hmm then what does it mean to be beaten and hung on a cross?????

A bit of suffering. Many, many humans have experienced the same or worse. It has nothing to do with death and sacrifice though.

To say He did not die and sacrifice is completely idiotic, sorry.

Since Jesus still has his life, I fail to see how you justify that he died or that anything was sacrificed. He had every intention of giving up his Earthly body from the outset. Please point to what he sacrificed then. What has he lost?

IDIOTIC, you fail to see how He died, you fail to see what was sacrificed.

I fail to see it since you can't articulate it. Calling me an idiot doesn't help.

Let me know when you get crucified on a cross and what you did not suffer.

I'm not an immortal God, so your suggestion does not have relevance.

Jesus knew full well that the flesh wasn't the end.

Exactly! Thank you, we agree. There was no death and no sacrifice.

Sacrifice is an offering, Jesus offered His body, sorry you are wrong and completely out of reality.

A fleshy body is nothing to an immortal God. It's like a set of clothing for us. He donned a human body and then he cast it off. Where was the sacrifice?

A sacrifice is an offering, show me how it was not an offering, show me how it was not an act of sacrifice and suffering. Dummy.

I already have. Calling me a dummy adds no weight to your assertions.

The sacrifice was the physical offering of His body.

Which, as I said and you have not refuted, was inconsequential.

The body of Christ suffered, suffered what you and I will never know.

Nothing special in the history of man's inhumanity to man. Besides, how can you know that Jesus actually suffered? An immortal God can perform miracles, as he demonstrated. Surely a little bit of pain blockage was not beyond him?
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5/20/2015 8:56:04 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 5/20/2015 8:54:51 PM, dee-em wrote:
At 5/20/2015 8:39:40 PM, EtrnlVw wrote:
At 5/20/2015 8:03:23 PM, dee-em wrote:
At 5/20/2015 7:52:57 PM, EtrnlVw wrote:
At 5/20/2015 7:46:26 PM, dee-em wrote:
At 5/20/2015 7:35:59 PM, EtrnlVw wrote:
At 5/20/2015 7:30:37 PM, dee-em wrote:
At 5/20/2015 3:38:01 PM, kasmic wrote:
I saw this debate http://www.debate.org...

I had never thought about it this way. Is there anyone who has a case that would indicate that Christ did not commit suicide?

It was neither suicide nor a sacrifice of any kind. An immortal being cannot die. There was no real death. Case closed.

Any Being can die in the flesh, but they live in spirit come on brother! the real daeth was in the flesh not spirit, that's why it wasn't a suicide, because Jesus was not trying to end life out of despair but rather an offering.

Jesus, the Word, the Son of God, existed from the beginning.
Jesus, the Word, the Son of God, still exists.
Ergo, Jesus did not die. He is immortal.

Since there was no actual death (only the casting off of an Earthly body), there was no real sacrifice. The logic is irrefutable.

That's ignorant, Jesus took the full punishment and all the pain that went with it.

We're not discussing punishment and pain.

Hmm then what does it mean to be beaten and hung on a cross?????

A bit of suffering. Many, many humans have experienced the same or worse. It has nothing to do with death and sacrifice though.

To say He did not die and sacrifice is completely idiotic, sorry.

Since Jesus still has his life, I fail to see how you justify that he died or that anything was sacrificed. He had every intention of giving up his Earthly body from the outset. Please point to what he sacrificed then. What has he lost?

IDIOTIC, you fail to see how He died, you fail to see what was sacrificed.

I fail to see it since you can't articulate it. Calling me an idiot doesn't help.

Let me know when you get crucified on a cross and what you did not suffer.

I'm not an immortal God, so your suggestion does not have relevance.

Jesus knew full well that the flesh wasn't the end.

Exactly! Thank you, we agree. There was no death and no sacrifice.

Sacrifice is an offering, Jesus offered His body, sorry you are wrong and completely out of reality.

A fleshy body is nothing to an immortal God. It's like a set of clothing for us. He donned a human body and then he cast it off. Where was the sacrifice?

A sacrifice is an offering, show me how it was not an offering, show me how it was not an act of sacrifice and suffering. Dummy.

I already have. Calling me a dummy adds no weight to your assertions.

The sacrifice was the physical offering of His body.

Which, as I said and you have not refuted, was inconsequential.

The body of Christ suffered, suffered what you and I will never know.

Nothing special in the history of man's inhumanity to man. Besides, how can you know that Jesus actually suffered? An immortal God can perform miracles, as he demonstrated. Surely a little bit of pain blockage was not beyond him?

IDIOT. Idiot.
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5/20/2015 8:57:15 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 5/20/2015 8:53:09 PM, Accipiter wrote:
Did Christ commit suicide?

Yes, it's called police assisted suicide.

No, read the damn definition of suicide. IDIOT.
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5/20/2015 8:57:47 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 5/20/2015 8:46:27 PM, EtrnlVw wrote:
At 5/20/2015 8:07:30 PM, dee-em wrote:
At 5/20/2015 3:38:01 PM, kasmic wrote:
I saw this debate http://www.debate.org...

I had never thought about it this way. Is there anyone who has a case that would indicate that Christ did not commit suicide?

He committed suicide by cop:

http://en.wikipedia.org...

Not as bright as I thought you were, disappointed actually.

You're the one who keeps pointing to the ddfinition of suicide. Suicide by cop is a recognized form of suicide and it is applicable to the story of Jesus. If you disagree, tell us where the reasoning is faulty.
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5/20/2015 9:00:05 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 5/20/2015 8:57:47 PM, dee-em wrote:
At 5/20/2015 8:46:27 PM, EtrnlVw wrote:
At 5/20/2015 8:07:30 PM, dee-em wrote:
At 5/20/2015 3:38:01 PM, kasmic wrote:
I saw this debate http://www.debate.org...

I had never thought about it this way. Is there anyone who has a case that would indicate that Christ did not commit suicide?

He committed suicide by cop:

http://en.wikipedia.org...

Not as bright as I thought you were, disappointed actually.

You're the one who keeps pointing to the ddfinition of suicide. Suicide by cop is a recognized form of suicide and it is applicable to the story of Jesus. If you disagree, tell us where the reasoning is faulty.
http://www.merriam-webster.com...
http://en.wikipedia.org...
IDIOT.
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5/20/2015 9:00:22 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 5/20/2015 8:52:21 PM, EtrnlVw wrote:
At 5/20/2015 8:03:23 PM, dee-em wrote:
At 5/20/2015 7:52:57 PM, EtrnlVw wrote:
At 5/20/2015 7:46:26 PM, dee-em wrote:
At 5/20/2015 7:35:59 PM, EtrnlVw wrote:
At 5/20/2015 7:30:37 PM, dee-em wrote:
At 5/20/2015 3:38:01 PM, kasmic wrote:
I saw this debate http://www.debate.org...

I had never thought about it this way. Is there anyone who has a case that would indicate that Christ did not commit suicide?

It was neither suicide nor a sacrifice of any kind. An immortal being cannot die. There was no real death. Case closed.

Any Being can die in the flesh, but they live in spirit come on brother! the real daeth was in the flesh not spirit, that's why it wasn't a suicide, because Jesus was not trying to end life out of despair but rather an offering.

Jesus, the Word, the Son of God, existed from the beginning.
Jesus, the Word, the Son of God, still exists.
Ergo, Jesus did not die. He is immortal.

Since there was no actual death (only the casting off of an Earthly body), there was no real sacrifice. The logic is irrefutable.

That's ignorant, Jesus took the full punishment and all the pain that went with it.

We're not discussing punishment and pain.

To say He did not die and sacrifice is completely idiotic, sorry.

Since Jesus still has his life, I fail to see how you justify that he died or that anything was sacrificed. He had every intention of giving up his Earthly body from the outset. Please point to what he sacrificed then. What has he lost?

Jesus knew full well that the flesh wasn't the end.

Exactly! Thank you, we agree. There was no death and no sacrifice.

Sacrifice is an offering, Jesus offered His body, sorry you are wrong and completely out of reality.

A fleshy body is nothing to an immortal God. It's like a set of clothing for us. He donned a human body and then he cast it off. Where was the sacrifice?

IDIOTIC, idiotic, no other words describe your idiocy. Complete lack of understanding and reasoning. IDIOTIC!
Can't believe you would even say these things.

I take it you don't have a counter-argument then?
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5/20/2015 9:01:26 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 5/20/2015 9:00:22 PM, dee-em wrote:
At 5/20/2015 8:52:21 PM, EtrnlVw wrote:
At 5/20/2015 8:03:23 PM, dee-em wrote:
At 5/20/2015 7:52:57 PM, EtrnlVw wrote:
At 5/20/2015 7:46:26 PM, dee-em wrote:
At 5/20/2015 7:35:59 PM, EtrnlVw wrote:
At 5/20/2015 7:30:37 PM, dee-em wrote:
At 5/20/2015 3:38:01 PM, kasmic wrote:
I saw this debate http://www.debate.org...

I had never thought about it this way. Is there anyone who has a case that would indicate that Christ did not commit suicide?

It was neither suicide nor a sacrifice of any kind. An immortal being cannot die. There was no real death. Case closed.

Any Being can die in the flesh, but they live in spirit come on brother! the real daeth was in the flesh not spirit, that's why it wasn't a suicide, because Jesus was not trying to end life out of despair but rather an offering.

Jesus, the Word, the Son of God, existed from the beginning.
Jesus, the Word, the Son of God, still exists.
Ergo, Jesus did not die. He is immortal.

Since there was no actual death (only the casting off of an Earthly body), there was no real sacrifice. The logic is irrefutable.

That's ignorant, Jesus took the full punishment and all the pain that went with it.

We're not discussing punishment and pain.

To say He did not die and sacrifice is completely idiotic, sorry.

Since Jesus still has his life, I fail to see how you justify that he died or that anything was sacrificed. He had every intention of giving up his Earthly body from the outset. Please point to what he sacrificed then. What has he lost?

Jesus knew full well that the flesh wasn't the end.

Exactly! Thank you, we agree. There was no death and no sacrifice.

Sacrifice is an offering, Jesus offered His body, sorry you are wrong and completely out of reality.

A fleshy body is nothing to an immortal God. It's like a set of clothing for us. He donned a human body and then he cast it off. Where was the sacrifice?

IDIOTIC, idiotic, no other words describe your idiocy. Complete lack of understanding and reasoning. IDIOTIC!
Can't believe you would even say these things.

I take it you don't have a counter-argument then?

IDIOT. That's my counter argument. Take it or leave it. Idiot.
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5/20/2015 9:06:09 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 5/20/2015 9:01:26 PM, EtrnlVw wrote:
At 5/20/2015 9:00:22 PM, dee-em wrote:
At 5/20/2015 8:52:21 PM, EtrnlVw wrote:
At 5/20/2015 8:03:23 PM, dee-em wrote:
At 5/20/2015 7:52:57 PM, EtrnlVw wrote:
At 5/20/2015 7:46:26 PM, dee-em wrote:
At 5/20/2015 7:35:59 PM, EtrnlVw wrote:
At 5/20/2015 7:30:37 PM, dee-em wrote:
At 5/20/2015 3:38:01 PM, kasmic wrote:
I saw this debate http://www.debate.org...

I had never thought about it this way. Is there anyone who has a case that would indicate that Christ did not commit suicide?

It was neither suicide nor a sacrifice of any kind. An immortal being cannot die. There was no real death. Case closed.

Any Being can die in the flesh, but they live in spirit come on brother! the real daeth was in the flesh not spirit, that's why it wasn't a suicide, because Jesus was not trying to end life out of despair but rather an offering.

Jesus, the Word, the Son of God, existed from the beginning.
Jesus, the Word, the Son of God, still exists.
Ergo, Jesus did not die. He is immortal.

Since there was no actual death (only the casting off of an Earthly body), there was no real sacrifice. The logic is irrefutable.

That's ignorant, Jesus took the full punishment and all the pain that went with it.

We're not discussing punishment and pain.

To say He did not die and sacrifice is completely idiotic, sorry.

Since Jesus still has his life, I fail to see how you justify that he died or that anything was sacrificed. He had every intention of giving up his Earthly body from the outset. Please point to what he sacrificed then. What has he lost?

Jesus knew full well that the flesh wasn't the end.

Exactly! Thank you, we agree. There was no death and no sacrifice.

Sacrifice is an offering, Jesus offered His body, sorry you are wrong and completely out of reality.

A fleshy body is nothing to an immortal God. It's like a set of clothing for us. He donned a human body and then he cast it off. Where was the sacrifice?

IDIOTIC, idiotic, no other words describe your idiocy. Complete lack of understanding and reasoning. IDIOTIC!
Can't believe you would even say these things.

I take it you don't have a counter-argument then?

IDIOT. That's my counter argument. Take it or leave it. Idiot.

So let me know when you're not ready to be an idiot, thanks.