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Has God any "unfulfilled desires" ?

the-good-teacher
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8/9/2010 4:56:21 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
SOVEREIGNTY
"Sovereign" = absolute control and rulership. Our God is a Sovereign God who decreed His whole plan before the first creature was created!

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Eph 1:11 In whom also we have obtained an inheritance, being predestined according to the PURPOSE of HIM WHO WORKETH ALL THINGS AFTER THE COUNSEL (boule = decree) OF HIS OWN WILL (thelo = desires). God's DECREE, what He has stated will happen throughout history, arises from His DESIRES. What God has decreed is what God has desired from His WILL, or what He wants.

The Scripture states that God either causes or consciously and purposefully allows every action and reaction in His Perfect Plan. God is NOT the author of sin, but God allows sin to occur from human and angelic volition, when it fits His purposes.

The Scriptures teach that God is in complete control of His creation and that no action can occur, from Satan or man, unless it fits God's perfect will and plan.
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Therefore, according to scripture everything that is wrong in the world has indeed been placed into the plan ! = allowed to happen.

Isa 14:24 The LORD of hosts hath sworn, saying, Surely AS I HAVE THOUGHT, SO SHALL IT COME TO PASS; AND AS I HAVE PURPOSED, [SO] SHALL IT STAND.

Isa 55:11 So shall MY WORD be that goeth forth out of my mouth: it shall not return unto me void, but IT SHALL ACCOMPLISH THAT WHICH I PLEASE, AND IT SHALL PROSPER [IN THE THING] WHERETO I SENT IT.

Prov 16:4 THE LORD HATH MADE ALL [THINGS] FOR HIMSELF: YEA, EVEN THE WICKED FOR THE DAY OF EVIL.

Isa. 45:7 I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil (evil = Hebrew "calamities") . I the Lord do all these things.
Has God any unfulfilled desires ?
InsertNameHere
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8/9/2010 5:01:26 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
Another evangelical thread? Nobody here will really listen to you, I hope you realize that. This isn't really the best place to be preaching.
belle
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8/9/2010 5:02:50 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
yaaaaaaay its god's perfect will and plan for children to starve and millions to suffer and and... cancer and global warming and natural disasters and etc....

god sure sounds like an awesome guy!
evidently i only come to ddo to avoid doing homework...
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8/9/2010 5:05:42 PM
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If God is utterly perfect in every way, he shouldn't have any desires. Only imperfect beings desire things they don't already have.
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8/9/2010 5:09:44 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 8/9/2010 5:02:50 PM, belle wrote:
yaaaaaaay its god's perfect will and plan for children to starve and millions to suffer and and... cancer and global warming and natural disasters and etc....

god sure sounds like an awesome guy!

he's not a guy. who hear has never killed a bug?
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the-good-teacher
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8/9/2010 5:14:11 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 8/9/2010 5:01:26 PM, InsertNameHere wrote:
Another evangelical thread? Nobody here will really listen to you, I hope you realize that. This isn't really the best place to be preaching.

If you have a problem with the thread that fine, but you have no right speaking for anyone else, who do you think you are, God ?
InsertNameHere
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8/9/2010 5:17:29 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 8/9/2010 5:14:11 PM, the-good-teacher wrote:
At 8/9/2010 5:01:26 PM, InsertNameHere wrote:
Another evangelical thread? Nobody here will really listen to you, I hope you realize that. This isn't really the best place to be preaching.

If you have a problem with the thread that fine, but you have no right speaking for anyone else, who do you think you are, God ?

I never said I had a problem with it as I'm not an Atheist, but many people here are and could possibly get annoyed.
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8/9/2010 5:31:01 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 8/9/2010 5:05:42 PM, Kinesis wrote:
If God is utterly perfect in every way, he shouldn't have any desires. Only imperfect beings desire things they don't already have.

If you were appealing to Aristotle's view on perfection, perfection eqautes to being complete, nothing to be added or subracted, then you would be absolutely correct. But other views on perfection from Plato (I think?) would argue that imperfection is what makes perfection.
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8/9/2010 5:31:54 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 8/9/2010 5:17:29 PM, InsertNameHere wrote:
I never said I had a problem with it as I'm not an Atheist, but many people here are and could possibly get annoyed.

Not really. Preachers are just easy targets.
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8/10/2010 8:00:05 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 8/9/2010 4:56:21 PM, the-good-teacher wrote:
SOVEREIGNTY
"Sovereign" = absolute control and rulership. Our God is a Sovereign God who decreed His whole plan before the first creature was created!

True, but you may be putting Him in a box like a lot of Atheists do here. I talked to one brilliant young man about God here one time. He had some formula that he said proved there was no God. It had something to do with God being omniscient or something. That if God could do anything that He could create a God greater then Himself which would in turn make Him not all powerful and not real, impossible. But he made the mistake of putting God in a box and not understanding (or maybe not wanting to understand) that God doesn't have to do A B C or D, He is a person with a will. Just because He could make a God more powerful then Him doesn't force Him to do so.

Just like being sovereign doesn't force Him to be, He can chose to allow us to chose.

God is sovereign, there is no one above Him. But that doesn't require Him to make every chose and force His will on everyone. Look at the backlash you get from no believers, and if you are correct then they may have a point. If you are correct then God choses for those children to starve. He choses for us to murder, rape and plunder. Understand??????
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