Total Posts:64|Showing Posts:1-30|Last Page
Jump to topic:

Abortion: God's greatest Gift?

bulproof
Posts: 25,303
Add as Friend
Challenge to a Debate
Send a Message
6/2/2015 12:28:23 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
The entire point of christianity is for your soul to reside in heavenly paradise when you die.
If you are an unrepentant sinner then this is not possible.
As an innocent unborn foetus you have no opportunity to sin and therefore have no need of repentance.
As a result of this situation any unborn foetus that dies is perfectly sinless and the prime candidate for entry to heaven. Each and everyone would automatically qualify and thus be welcomed into that heavenly paradise so sought after by the christians.
This then makes abortion the greatest gift that any foetus could possibly receive, even a foetus who's parents belong to a wrong religion, well especially them, since they will never be indoctrinated into a religion that automatically disbars them from heaven.
Given the overwhelming benefits afforded the foetus by abortion why are christians so opposed to it?
Is it because they feel the foetus is getting an unfair advantage and should be subject to all the trials and tribulations that the born are subject to? Is it just sour grapes.
seeu46
Posts: 578
Add as Friend
Challenge to a Debate
Send a Message
6/2/2015 1:02:58 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 6/2/2015 12:28:23 PM, bulproof wrote:
The entire point of christianity is for your soul to reside in heavenly paradise when you die.
If you are an unrepentant sinner then this is not possible.
As an innocent unborn foetus you have no opportunity to sin and therefore have no need of repentance.
As a result of this situation any unborn foetus that dies is perfectly sinless and the prime candidate for entry to heaven. Each and everyone would automatically qualify and thus be welcomed into that heavenly paradise so sought after by the christians.
This then makes abortion the greatest gift that any foetus could possibly receive, even a foetus who's parents belong to a wrong religion, well especially them, since they will never be indoctrinated into a religion that automatically disbars them from heaven.
Given the overwhelming benefits afforded the foetus by abortion why are christians so opposed to it?
Is it because they feel the foetus is getting an unfair advantage and should be subject to all the trials and tribulations that the born are subject to? Is it just sour grapes.

God is there for the defenseless.

Even if it does not occur in our timing but the one to come. No one shall escape this.
bulproof
Posts: 25,303
Add as Friend
Challenge to a Debate
Send a Message
6/2/2015 1:06:27 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 6/2/2015 1:02:58 PM, seeu46 wrote:
At 6/2/2015 12:28:23 PM, bulproof wrote:
The entire point of christianity is for your soul to reside in heavenly paradise when you die.
If you are an unrepentant sinner then this is not possible.
As an innocent unborn foetus you have no opportunity to sin and therefore have no need of repentance.
As a result of this situation any unborn foetus that dies is perfectly sinless and the prime candidate for entry to heaven. Each and everyone would automatically qualify and thus be welcomed into that heavenly paradise so sought after by the christians.
This then makes abortion the greatest gift that any foetus could possibly receive, even a foetus who's parents belong to a wrong religion, well especially them, since they will never be indoctrinated into a religion that automatically disbars them from heaven.
Given the overwhelming benefits afforded the foetus by abortion why are christians so opposed to it?
Is it because they feel the foetus is getting an unfair advantage and should be subject to all the trials and tribulations that the born are subject to? Is it just sour grapes.

God is there for the defenseless.

Even if it does not occur in our timing but the one to come. No one shall escape this.

It's OK if the discussion is beyond you, just sit and watch.
Do try not to interrupt though.
seeu46
Posts: 578
Add as Friend
Challenge to a Debate
Send a Message
6/2/2015 1:15:54 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 6/2/2015 1:06:27 PM, bulproof wrote:
At 6/2/2015 1:02:58 PM, seeu46 wrote:
At 6/2/2015 12:28:23 PM, bulproof wrote:
The entire point of christianity is for your soul to reside in heavenly paradise when you die.
If you are an unrepentant sinner then this is not possible.
As an innocent unborn foetus you have no opportunity to sin and therefore have no need of repentance.
As a result of this situation any unborn foetus that dies is perfectly sinless and the prime candidate for entry to heaven. Each and everyone would automatically qualify and thus be welcomed into that heavenly paradise so sought after by the christians.
This then makes abortion the greatest gift that any foetus could possibly receive, even a foetus who's parents belong to a wrong religion, well especially them, since they will never be indoctrinated into a religion that automatically disbars them from heaven.
Given the overwhelming benefits afforded the foetus by abortion why are christians so opposed to it?
Is it because they feel the foetus is getting an unfair advantage and should be subject to all the trials and tribulations that the born are subject to? Is it just sour grapes.

God is there for the defenseless.

Even if it does not occur in our timing but the one to come. No one shall escape this.

It's OK if the discussion is beyond you, just sit and watch.
Do try not to interrupt though.

Shall we do the one wrong, so that the defenseless can be spared. What about the people whom do such wrongs, do they not deserve to be saved?

God forbid let them change and turn to God. So in this both the defenseless and the harmers can both be saved.
bulproof
Posts: 25,303
Add as Friend
Challenge to a Debate
Send a Message
6/2/2015 1:20:02 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 6/2/2015 1:15:54 PM, seeu46 wrote:
At 6/2/2015 1:06:27 PM, bulproof wrote:
At 6/2/2015 1:02:58 PM, seeu46 wrote:
At 6/2/2015 12:28:23 PM, bulproof wrote:
The entire point of christianity is for your soul to reside in heavenly paradise when you die.
If you are an unrepentant sinner then this is not possible.
As an innocent unborn foetus you have no opportunity to sin and therefore have no need of repentance.
As a result of this situation any unborn foetus that dies is perfectly sinless and the prime candidate for entry to heaven. Each and everyone would automatically qualify and thus be welcomed into that heavenly paradise so sought after by the christians.
This then makes abortion the greatest gift that any foetus could possibly receive, even a foetus who's parents belong to a wrong religion, well especially them, since they will never be indoctrinated into a religion that automatically disbars them from heaven.
Given the overwhelming benefits afforded the foetus by abortion why are christians so opposed to it?
Is it because they feel the foetus is getting an unfair advantage and should be subject to all the trials and tribulations that the born are subject to? Is it just sour grapes.

God is there for the defenseless.

Even if it does not occur in our timing but the one to come. No one shall escape this.

It's OK if the discussion is beyond you, just sit and watch.
Do try not to interrupt though.

Shall we do the one wrong, so that the defenseless can be spared. What about the people whom do such wrongs, do they not deserve to be saved?

God forbid let them change and turn to God. So in this both the defenseless and the harmers can both be saved.

You want the defenseless to be spared heavenly paradise?
Do you have a justification for such callousness?
seeu46
Posts: 578
Add as Friend
Challenge to a Debate
Send a Message
6/2/2015 1:25:07 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 6/2/2015 1:20:02 PM, bulproof wrote:
At 6/2/2015 1:15:54 PM, seeu46 wrote:
At 6/2/2015 1:06:27 PM, bulproof wrote:
At 6/2/2015 1:02:58 PM, seeu46 wrote:
At 6/2/2015 12:28:23 PM, bulproof wrote:
The entire point of christianity is for your soul to reside in heavenly paradise when you die.
If you are an unrepentant sinner then this is not possible.
As an innocent unborn foetus you have no opportunity to sin and therefore have no need of repentance.
As a result of this situation any unborn foetus that dies is perfectly sinless and the prime candidate for entry to heaven. Each and everyone would automatically qualify and thus be welcomed into that heavenly paradise so sought after by the christians.
This then makes abortion the greatest gift that any foetus could possibly receive, even a foetus who's parents belong to a wrong religion, well especially them, since they will never be indoctrinated into a religion that automatically disbars them from heaven.
Given the overwhelming benefits afforded the foetus by abortion why are christians so opposed to it?
Is it because they feel the foetus is getting an unfair advantage and should be subject to all the trials and tribulations that the born are subject to? Is it just sour grapes.

God is there for the defenseless.

Even if it does not occur in our timing but the one to come. No one shall escape this.

It's OK if the discussion is beyond you, just sit and watch.
Do try not to interrupt though.

Shall we do the one wrong, so that the defenseless can be spared. What about the people whom do such wrongs, do they not deserve to be saved?

God forbid let them change and turn to God. So in this both the defenseless and the harmers can both be saved.

You want the defenseless to be spared heavenly paradise?
Do you have a justification for such callousness?

How do you know they will be spared from heaven? I nor you was aborted how do I know that you won't make it nor myself?

Do you make me God or yourself to know such a thing. You do not know for you are not God. Sorry that you wish to be, but you can never be that.
Vox_Veritas
Posts: 7,079
Add as Friend
Challenge to a Debate
Send a Message
6/2/2015 1:26:49 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
In doing so, the unborn would have no choice whether or not to be saved. God wants human beings to have a choice in the matter, to choose Heaven or Hell. Besides, there isn't actually any guarantee that aborted babies go to Heaven.
Call me Vox, the Resident Contrarian of debate.org.

The DDO Blog:
https://debatedotorg.wordpress.com...

#drinkthecoffeenotthekoolaid
bulproof
Posts: 25,303
Add as Friend
Challenge to a Debate
Send a Message
6/2/2015 1:34:21 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 6/2/2015 1:26:49 PM, Vox_Veritas wrote:
In doing so, the unborn would have no choice whether or not to be saved. God wants human beings to have a choice in the matter, to choose Heaven or Hell. Besides, there isn't actually any guarantee that aborted babies go to Heaven.
Ahh so what does your god do with them?
bulproof
Posts: 25,303
Add as Friend
Challenge to a Debate
Send a Message
6/2/2015 1:36:30 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 6/2/2015 1:25:07 PM, seeu46 wrote:
At 6/2/2015 1:20:02 PM, bulproof wrote:
At 6/2/2015 1:15:54 PM, seeu46 wrote:
At 6/2/2015 1:06:27 PM, bulproof wrote:
At 6/2/2015 1:02:58 PM, seeu46 wrote:
At 6/2/2015 12:28:23 PM, bulproof wrote:
The entire point of christianity is for your soul to reside in heavenly paradise when you die.
If you are an unrepentant sinner then this is not possible.
As an innocent unborn foetus you have no opportunity to sin and therefore have no need of repentance.
As a result of this situation any unborn foetus that dies is perfectly sinless and the prime candidate for entry to heaven. Each and everyone would automatically qualify and thus be welcomed into that heavenly paradise so sought after by the christians.
This then makes abortion the greatest gift that any foetus could possibly receive, even a foetus who's parents belong to a wrong religion, well especially them, since they will never be indoctrinated into a religion that automatically disbars them from heaven.
Given the overwhelming benefits afforded the foetus by abortion why are christians so opposed to it?
Is it because they feel the foetus is getting an unfair advantage and should be subject to all the trials and tribulations that the born are subject to? Is it just sour grapes.

God is there for the defenseless.

Even if it does not occur in our timing but the one to come. No one shall escape this.

It's OK if the discussion is beyond you, just sit and watch.
Do try not to interrupt though.

Shall we do the one wrong, so that the defenseless can be spared. What about the people whom do such wrongs, do they not deserve to be saved?

God forbid let them change and turn to God. So in this both the defenseless and the harmers can both be saved.

You want the defenseless to be spared heavenly paradise?
Do you have a justification for such callousness?

How do you know they will be spared from heaven? I nor you was aborted how do I know that you won't make it nor myself?

Do you make me God or yourself to know such a thing. You do not know for you are not God. Sorry that you wish to be, but you can never be that.

So you don't believe that your god would accept the innocent souls of the aborted into heaven?
What do you think he would do with them?
Vox_Veritas
Posts: 7,079
Add as Friend
Challenge to a Debate
Send a Message
6/2/2015 2:18:16 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 6/2/2015 1:34:21 PM, bulproof wrote:
At 6/2/2015 1:26:49 PM, Vox_Veritas wrote:
In doing so, the unborn would have no choice whether or not to be saved. God wants human beings to have a choice in the matter, to choose Heaven or Hell. Besides, there isn't actually any guarantee that aborted babies go to Heaven.
Ahh so what does your god do with them?

What does God do with the unborn? I don't know...you'd have to ask Him. :)
Call me Vox, the Resident Contrarian of debate.org.

The DDO Blog:
https://debatedotorg.wordpress.com...

#drinkthecoffeenotthekoolaid
12_13
Posts: 1,365
Add as Friend
Challenge to a Debate
Send a Message
6/2/2015 3:12:19 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 6/2/2015 12:28:23 PM, bulproof wrote:
As an innocent unborn foetus

I don"t see how we could prove that they are innocent.

And I don"t think Christians (disciples of Jesus) have right to give death penalty, even for innocent people.
dee-em
Posts: 6,495
Add as Friend
Challenge to a Debate
Send a Message
6/2/2015 7:07:18 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 6/2/2015 3:12:19 PM, 12_13 wrote:
At 6/2/2015 12:28:23 PM, bulproof wrote:
As an innocent unborn foetus

I don"t see how we could prove that they are innocent.

Have the unborn sinned?

And I don"t think Christians (disciples of Jesus) have right to give death penalty, even for innocent people.

Think of it as a sacrifice. You may or may not get into heaven. If you believe some Christians, only a select few will. Yet you have this golden opportunity to guarantee getting some unborn, innocent souls into heaven. Surely you would sacrifice your own chance in order to ensure your offspring make it, otherwise what kind of a parent are you?
bulproof
Posts: 25,303
Add as Friend
Challenge to a Debate
Send a Message
6/2/2015 10:27:00 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
This would seem to be a question that is to be avoided at all costs, the contradictions and potential contradictions are just to scary for the christian to face.
seeu46
Posts: 578
Add as Friend
Challenge to a Debate
Send a Message
6/3/2015 12:08:04 AM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 6/2/2015 1:36:30 PM, bulproof wrote:
At 6/2/2015 1:25:07 PM, seeu46 wrote:
At 6/2/2015 1:20:02 PM, bulproof wrote:
At 6/2/2015 1:15:54 PM, seeu46 wrote:
At 6/2/2015 1:06:27 PM, bulproof wrote:
At 6/2/2015 1:02:58 PM, seeu46 wrote:
At 6/2/2015 12:28:23 PM, bulproof wrote:
The entire point of christianity is for your soul to reside in heavenly paradise when you die.
If you are an unrepentant sinner then this is not possible.
As an innocent unborn foetus you have no opportunity to sin and therefore have no need of repentance.
As a result of this situation any unborn foetus that dies is perfectly sinless and the prime candidate for entry to heaven. Each and everyone would automatically qualify and thus be welcomed into that heavenly paradise so sought after by the christians.
This then makes abortion the greatest gift that any foetus could possibly receive, even a foetus who's parents belong to a wrong religion, well especially them, since they will never be indoctrinated into a religion that automatically disbars them from heaven.
Given the overwhelming benefits afforded the foetus by abortion why are christians so opposed to it?
Is it because they feel the foetus is getting an unfair advantage and should be subject to all the trials and tribulations that the born are subject to? Is it just sour grapes.

God is there for the defenseless.

Even if it does not occur in our timing but the one to come. No one shall escape this.

It's OK if the discussion is beyond you, just sit and watch.
Do try not to interrupt though.

Shall we do the one wrong, so that the defenseless can be spared. What about the people whom do such wrongs, do they not deserve to be saved?

God forbid let them change and turn to God. So in this both the defenseless and the harmers can both be saved.

You want the defenseless to be spared heavenly paradise?
Do you have a justification for such callousness?

How do you know they will be spared from heaven? I nor you was aborted how do I know that you won't make it nor myself?

Do you make me God or yourself to know such a thing. You do not know for you are not God. Sorry that you wish to be, but you can never be that.

So you don't believe that your god would accept the innocent souls of the aborted into heaven?
What do you think he would do with them?

Why worry that which is saved? Not me. Worry about the ones that are not saved. The ones committing the wrongs in killing others. It is them that need salvation not the aborted.
bulproof
Posts: 25,303
Add as Friend
Challenge to a Debate
Send a Message
6/3/2015 12:46:42 AM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 6/3/2015 12:08:04 AM, seeu46 wrote:
At 6/2/2015 1:36:30 PM, bulproof wrote:
At 6/2/2015 1:25:07 PM, seeu46 wrote:
At 6/2/2015 1:20:02 PM, bulproof wrote:
At 6/2/2015 1:15:54 PM, seeu46 wrote:
At 6/2/2015 1:06:27 PM, bulproof wrote:
At 6/2/2015 1:02:58 PM, seeu46 wrote:
At 6/2/2015 12:28:23 PM, bulproof wrote:
The entire point of christianity is for your soul to reside in heavenly paradise when you die.
If you are an unrepentant sinner then this is not possible.
As an innocent unborn foetus you have no opportunity to sin and therefore have no need of repentance.
As a result of this situation any unborn foetus that dies is perfectly sinless and the prime candidate for entry to heaven. Each and everyone would automatically qualify and thus be welcomed into that heavenly paradise so sought after by the christians.
This then makes abortion the greatest gift that any foetus could possibly receive, even a foetus who's parents belong to a wrong religion, well especially them, since they will never be indoctrinated into a religion that automatically disbars them from heaven.
Given the overwhelming benefits afforded the foetus by abortion why are christians so opposed to it?
Is it because they feel the foetus is getting an unfair advantage and should be subject to all the trials and tribulations that the born are subject to? Is it just sour grapes.

God is there for the defenseless.

Even if it does not occur in our timing but the one to come. No one shall escape this.

It's OK if the discussion is beyond you, just sit and watch.
Do try not to interrupt though.

Shall we do the one wrong, so that the defenseless can be spared. What about the people whom do such wrongs, do they not deserve to be saved?

God forbid let them change and turn to God. So in this both the defenseless and the harmers can both be saved.

You want the defenseless to be spared heavenly paradise?
Do you have a justification for such callousness?

How do you know they will be spared from heaven? I nor you was aborted how do I know that you won't make it nor myself?

Do you make me God or yourself to know such a thing. You do not know for you are not God. Sorry that you wish to be, but you can never be that.

So you don't believe that your god would accept the innocent souls of the aborted into heaven?
What do you think he would do with them?

Why worry that which is saved? Not me. Worry about the ones that are not saved. The ones committing the wrongs in killing others. It is them that need salvation not the aborted.

So now you contend that the souls of the aborted are saved?
Yes?
seeu46
Posts: 578
Add as Friend
Challenge to a Debate
Send a Message
6/3/2015 12:58:59 AM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 6/3/2015 12:46:42 AM, bulproof wrote:
At 6/3/2015 12:08:04 AM, seeu46 wrote:
At 6/2/2015 1:36:30 PM, bulproof wrote:
At 6/2/2015 1:25:07 PM, seeu46 wrote:
At 6/2/2015 1:20:02 PM, bulproof wrote:
At 6/2/2015 1:15:54 PM, seeu46 wrote:
At 6/2/2015 1:06:27 PM, bulproof wrote:
At 6/2/2015 1:02:58 PM, seeu46 wrote:
At 6/2/2015 12:28:23 PM, bulproof wrote:
The entire point of christianity is for your soul to reside in heavenly paradise when you die.
If you are an unrepentant sinner then this is not possible.
As an innocent unborn foetus you have no opportunity to sin and therefore have no need of repentance.
As a result of this situation any unborn foetus that dies is perfectly sinless and the prime candidate for entry to heaven. Each and everyone would automatically qualify and thus be welcomed into that heavenly paradise so sought after by the christians.
This then makes abortion the greatest gift that any foetus could possibly receive, even a foetus who's parents belong to a wrong religion, well especially them, since they will never be indoctrinated into a religion that automatically disbars them from heaven.
Given the overwhelming benefits afforded the foetus by abortion why are christians so opposed to it?
Is it because they feel the foetus is getting an unfair advantage and should be subject to all the trials and tribulations that the born are subject to? Is it just sour grapes.

God is there for the defenseless.

Even if it does not occur in our timing but the one to come. No one shall escape this.

It's OK if the discussion is beyond you, just sit and watch.
Do try not to interrupt though.

Shall we do the one wrong, so that the defenseless can be spared. What about the people whom do such wrongs, do they not deserve to be saved?

God forbid let them change and turn to God. So in this both the defenseless and the harmers can both be saved.

You want the defenseless to be spared heavenly paradise?
Do you have a justification for such callousness?

How do you know they will be spared from heaven? I nor you was aborted how do I know that you won't make it nor myself?

Do you make me God or yourself to know such a thing. You do not know for you are not God. Sorry that you wish to be, but you can never be that.

So you don't believe that your god would accept the innocent souls of the aborted into heaven?
What do you think he would do with them?

Why worry that which is saved? Not me. Worry about the ones that are not saved. The ones committing the wrongs in killing others. It is them that need salvation not the aborted.

So now you contend that the souls of the aborted are saved?
Yes?

Those that do the aborting are the ones that need the salvation. This way both are saved. The aborted are saved due to Gods justice and the abortion doer who changes and believes God is also saved. One by his justice and one by his grace.
mrsatan
Posts: 429
Add as Friend
Challenge to a Debate
Send a Message
6/3/2015 1:32:23 AM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 6/2/2015 7:07:18 PM, dee-em wrote:
At 6/2/2015 3:12:19 PM, 12_13 wrote:
At 6/2/2015 12:28:23 PM, bulproof wrote:
As an innocent unborn foetus

I don"t see how we could prove that they are innocent.

Have the unborn sinned?

Maybe one sperm went full Shane on the rest of the sperm to guarantee it would be the one to fertilize the egg. Fetus is a sinner before it's even a fetus.

And I don"t think Christians (disciples of Jesus) have right to give death penalty, even for innocent people.

Think of it as a sacrifice. You may or may not get into heaven. If you believe some Christians, only a select few will. Yet you have this golden opportunity to guarantee getting some unborn, innocent souls into heaven. Surely you would sacrifice your own chance in order to ensure your offspring make it, otherwise what kind of a parent are you?
To say one has free will, to have chosen other than they did, is to say they have will over their will... Will over the will they have over their will... Will over the will they have over the will they have over their will, etc... It's utter nonsense.
bulproof
Posts: 25,303
Add as Friend
Challenge to a Debate
Send a Message
6/3/2015 2:05:21 AM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 6/3/2015 12:58:59 AM, seeu46 wrote:
At 6/3/2015 12:46:42 AM, bulproof wrote:
At 6/3/2015 12:08:04 AM, seeu46 wrote:
At 6/2/2015 1:36:30 PM, bulproof wrote:
At 6/2/2015 1:25:07 PM, seeu46 wrote:
At 6/2/2015 1:20:02 PM, bulproof wrote:
At 6/2/2015 1:15:54 PM, seeu46 wrote:
At 6/2/2015 1:06:27 PM, bulproof wrote:
At 6/2/2015 1:02:58 PM, seeu46 wrote:
At 6/2/2015 12:28:23 PM, bulproof wrote:
The entire point of christianity is for your soul to reside in heavenly paradise when you die.
If you are an unrepentant sinner then this is not possible.
As an innocent unborn foetus you have no opportunity to sin and therefore have no need of repentance.
As a result of this situation any unborn foetus that dies is perfectly sinless and the prime candidate for entry to heaven. Each and everyone would automatically qualify and thus be welcomed into that heavenly paradise so sought after by the christians.
This then makes abortion the greatest gift that any foetus could possibly receive, even a foetus who's parents belong to a wrong religion, well especially them, since they will never be indoctrinated into a religion that automatically disbars them from heaven.
Given the overwhelming benefits afforded the foetus by abortion why are christians so opposed to it?
Is it because they feel the foetus is getting an unfair advantage and should be subject to all the trials and tribulations that the born are subject to? Is it just sour grapes.

God is there for the defenseless.

Even if it does not occur in our timing but the one to come. No one shall escape this.

It's OK if the discussion is beyond you, just sit and watch.
Do try not to interrupt though.

Shall we do the one wrong, so that the defenseless can be spared. What about the people whom do such wrongs, do they not deserve to be saved?

God forbid let them change and turn to God. So in this both the defenseless and the harmers can both be saved.

You want the defenseless to be spared heavenly paradise?
Do you have a justification for such callousness?

How do you know they will be spared from heaven? I nor you was aborted how do I know that you won't make it nor myself?

Do you make me God or yourself to know such a thing. You do not know for you are not God. Sorry that you wish to be, but you can never be that.

So you don't believe that your god would accept the innocent souls of the aborted into heaven?
What do you think he would do with them?

Why worry that which is saved? Not me. Worry about the ones that are not saved. The ones committing the wrongs in killing others. It is them that need salvation not the aborted.

So now you contend that the souls of the aborted are saved?
Yes?

Those that do the aborting are the ones that need the salvation. This way both are saved. The aborted are saved due to Gods justice and the abortion doer who changes and believes God is also saved. One by his justice and one by his grace.

So abortion sends those souls straight to heaven, without any chance of suffering or failure those souls achieve the end result that all christians strive for.
The abortionist is doing those souls the greatest service any human can do for a soul, christian or otherwise.
Shouldn't the christians be praising these selfless individuals who are prepared to accept eternal torture for sending so many straight to heaven.
They have a far greater success rate than any preacher.
All praise the selfless abortionist.
seeu46
Posts: 578
Add as Friend
Challenge to a Debate
Send a Message
6/3/2015 2:46:24 AM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 6/3/2015 2:05:21 AM, bulproof wrote:
At 6/3/2015 12:58:59 AM, seeu46 wrote:
At 6/3/2015 12:46:42 AM, bulproof wrote:
At 6/3/2015 12:08:04 AM, seeu46 wrote:
At 6/2/2015 1:36:30 PM, bulproof wrote:
At 6/2/2015 1:25:07 PM, seeu46 wrote:
At 6/2/2015 1:20:02 PM, bulproof wrote:
At 6/2/2015 1:15:54 PM, seeu46 wrote:
At 6/2/2015 1:06:27 PM, bulproof wrote:
At 6/2/2015 1:02:58 PM, seeu46 wrote:
At 6/2/2015 12:28:23 PM, bulproof wrote:
The entire point of christianity is for your soul to reside in heavenly paradise when you die.
If you are an unrepentant sinner then this is not possible.
As an innocent unborn foetus you have no opportunity to sin and therefore have no need of repentance.
As a result of this situation any unborn foetus that dies is perfectly sinless and the prime candidate for entry to heaven. Each and everyone would automatically qualify and thus be welcomed into that heavenly paradise so sought after by the christians.
This then makes abortion the greatest gift that any foetus could possibly receive, even a foetus who's parents belong to a wrong religion, well especially them, since they will never be indoctrinated into a religion that automatically disbars them from heaven.
Given the overwhelming benefits afforded the foetus by abortion why are christians so opposed to it?
Is it because they feel the foetus is getting an unfair advantage and should be subject to all the trials and tribulations that the born are subject to? Is it just sour grapes.

God is there for the defenseless.

Even if it does not occur in our timing but the one to come. No one shall escape this.

It's OK if the discussion is beyond you, just sit and watch.
Do try not to interrupt though.

Shall we do the one wrong, so that the defenseless can be spared. What about the people whom do such wrongs, do they not deserve to be saved?

God forbid let them change and turn to God. So in this both the defenseless and the harmers can both be saved.

You want the defenseless to be spared heavenly paradise?
Do you have a justification for such callousness?

How do you know they will be spared from heaven? I nor you was aborted how do I know that you won't make it nor myself?

Do you make me God or yourself to know such a thing. You do not know for you are not God. Sorry that you wish to be, but you can never be that.

So you don't believe that your god would accept the innocent souls of the aborted into heaven?
What do you think he would do with them?

Why worry that which is saved? Not me. Worry about the ones that are not saved. The ones committing the wrongs in killing others. It is them that need salvation not the aborted.

So now you contend that the souls of the aborted are saved?
Yes?

Those that do the aborting are the ones that need the salvation. This way both are saved. The aborted are saved due to Gods justice and the abortion doer who changes and believes God is also saved. One by his justice and one by his grace.

So abortion sends those souls straight to heaven, without any chance of suffering or failure those souls achieve the end result that all christians strive for.
The abortionist is doing those souls the greatest service any human can do for a soul, christian or otherwise.
Shouldn't the christians be praising these selfless individuals who are prepared to accept eternal torture for sending so many straight to heaven.
They have a far greater success rate than any preacher.
All praise the selfless abortionist.

The killers are not saving the aborted. GOD is. The killer can't send them to heaven. The killer sends them to death, that is the difference. The killer is in the wrong. No one then can save the dead person but only God.

You are in error.
bulproof
Posts: 25,303
Add as Friend
Challenge to a Debate
Send a Message
6/3/2015 3:54:47 AM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 6/3/2015 2:46:24 AM, seeu46 wrote:
At 6/3/2015 2:05:21 AM, bulproof wrote:
At 6/3/2015 12:58:59 AM, seeu46 wrote:
At 6/3/2015 12:46:42 AM, bulproof wrote:
At 6/3/2015 12:08:04 AM, seeu46 wrote:
At 6/2/2015 1:36:30 PM, bulproof wrote:
At 6/2/2015 1:25:07 PM, seeu46 wrote:
At 6/2/2015 1:20:02 PM, bulproof wrote:
At 6/2/2015 1:15:54 PM, seeu46 wrote:
At 6/2/2015 1:06:27 PM, bulproof wrote:
At 6/2/2015 1:02:58 PM, seeu46 wrote:
At 6/2/2015 12:28:23 PM, bulproof wrote:
The entire point of christianity is for your soul to reside in heavenly paradise when you die.
If you are an unrepentant sinner then this is not possible.
As an innocent unborn foetus you have no opportunity to sin and therefore have no need of repentance.
As a result of this situation any unborn foetus that dies is perfectly sinless and the prime candidate for entry to heaven. Each and everyone would automatically qualify and thus be welcomed into that heavenly paradise so sought after by the christians.
This then makes abortion the greatest gift that any foetus could possibly receive, even a foetus who's parents belong to a wrong religion, well especially them, since they will never be indoctrinated into a religion that automatically disbars them from heaven.
Given the overwhelming benefits afforded the foetus by abortion why are christians so opposed to it?
Is it because they feel the foetus is getting an unfair advantage and should be subject to all the trials and tribulations that the born are subject to? Is it just sour grapes.

God is there for the defenseless.

Even if it does not occur in our timing but the one to come. No one shall escape this.

It's OK if the discussion is beyond you, just sit and watch.
Do try not to interrupt though.

Shall we do the one wrong, so that the defenseless can be spared. What about the people whom do such wrongs, do they not deserve to be saved?

God forbid let them change and turn to God. So in this both the defenseless and the harmers can both be saved.

You want the defenseless to be spared heavenly paradise?
Do you have a justification for such callousness?

How do you know they will be spared from heaven? I nor you was aborted how do I know that you won't make it nor myself?

Do you make me God or yourself to know such a thing. You do not know for you are not God. Sorry that you wish to be, but you can never be that.

So you don't believe that your god would accept the innocent souls of the aborted into heaven?
What do you think he would do with them?

Why worry that which is saved? Not me. Worry about the ones that are not saved. The ones committing the wrongs in killing others. It is them that need salvation not the aborted.

So now you contend that the souls of the aborted are saved?
Yes?

Those that do the aborting are the ones that need the salvation. This way both are saved. The aborted are saved due to Gods justice and the abortion doer who changes and believes God is also saved. One by his justice and one by his grace.

So abortion sends those souls straight to heaven, without any chance of suffering or failure those souls achieve the end result that all christians strive for.
The abortionist is doing those souls the greatest service any human can do for a soul, christian or otherwise.
Shouldn't the christians be praising these selfless individuals who are prepared to accept eternal torture for sending so many straight to heaven.
They have a far greater success rate than any preacher.
All praise the selfless abortionist.

The killers are not saving the aborted. GOD is. The killer can't send them to heaven. The killer sends them to death, that is the difference. The killer is in the wrong. No one then can save the dead person but only God.

You are in error.
So answer the question.
Are the souls of the aborted saved?
Illegalcombatant
Posts: 4,008
Add as Friend
Challenge to a Debate
Send a Message
6/3/2015 4:13:45 AM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 6/2/2015 1:02:58 PM, seeu46 wrote:

God is there for the defenseless.

Looks like we got a comedian here.
"Seems like another attempt to insert God into areas our knowledge has yet to penetrate. You figure God would be bigger than the gaps of our ignorance." Drafterman 19/5/12
JJ50
Posts: 2,144
Add as Friend
Challenge to a Debate
Send a Message
6/3/2015 7:50:40 AM
Posted: 1 year ago
A woman should have the total right to abort an embryo in the first few weeks of pregnancy. No unwanted child should be brought into the world.
bulproof
Posts: 25,303
Add as Friend
Challenge to a Debate
Send a Message
6/3/2015 8:17:31 AM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 6/3/2015 7:50:40 AM, JJ50 wrote:
A woman should have the total right to abort an embryo in the first few weeks of pregnancy. No unwanted child should be brought into the world.

And the great bonus, as far as a christian is concerned, is that the soul of the aborted foetus is welcomed into heaven, regardless of the parent's religious beliefs.
The soul of the foetus is completely innocent of sin and is therefore the recipient of a direct passage into heaven.
The greatest gift any soul could ever have received is the gift given by the abortionist.
Why then do the christians so abhor the benefits these souls receive?
dee-em
Posts: 6,495
Add as Friend
Challenge to a Debate
Send a Message
6/3/2015 9:09:23 AM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 6/3/2015 1:32:23 AM, mrsatan wrote:
At 6/2/2015 7:07:18 PM, dee-em wrote:
At 6/2/2015 3:12:19 PM, 12_13 wrote:
At 6/2/2015 12:28:23 PM, bulproof wrote:
As an innocent unborn foetus

I don"t see how we could prove that they are innocent.

Have the unborn sinned?

Maybe one sperm went full Shane on the rest of the sperm to guarantee it would be the one to fertilize the egg. Fetus is a sinner before it's even a fetus.

Lol.
12_13
Posts: 1,365
Add as Friend
Challenge to a Debate
Send a Message
6/3/2015 12:49:47 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 6/2/2015 7:07:18 PM, dee-em wrote:
Have the unborn sinned?

I have no way to know have they rejected God in their mind.
seeu46
Posts: 578
Add as Friend
Challenge to a Debate
Send a Message
6/3/2015 6:58:00 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 6/3/2015 3:54:47 AM, bulproof wrote:
At 6/3/2015 2:46:24 AM, seeu46 wrote:
At 6/3/2015 2:05:21 AM, bulproof wrote:
At 6/3/2015 12:58:59 AM, seeu46 wrote:
At 6/3/2015 12:46:42 AM, bulproof wrote:
At 6/3/2015 12:08:04 AM, seeu46 wrote:
At 6/2/2015 1:36:30 PM, bulproof wrote:
At 6/2/2015 1:25:07 PM, seeu46 wrote:
At 6/2/2015 1:20:02 PM, bulproof wrote:
At 6/2/2015 1:15:54 PM, seeu46 wrote:
At 6/2/2015 1:06:27 PM, bulproof wrote:
At 6/2/2015 1:02:58 PM, seeu46 wrote:
At 6/2/2015 12:28:23 PM, bulproof wrote:
The entire point of christianity is for your soul to reside in heavenly paradise when you die.
If you are an unrepentant sinner then this is not possible.
As an innocent unborn foetus you have no opportunity to sin and therefore have no need of repentance.
As a result of this situation any unborn foetus that dies is perfectly sinless and the prime candidate for entry to heaven. Each and everyone would automatically qualify and thus be welcomed into that heavenly paradise so sought after by the christians.
This then makes abortion the greatest gift that any foetus could possibly receive, even a foetus who's parents belong to a wrong religion, well especially them, since they will never be indoctrinated into a religion that automatically disbars them from heaven.
Given the overwhelming benefits afforded the foetus by abortion why are christians so opposed to it?
Is it because they feel the foetus is getting an unfair advantage and should be subject to all the trials and tribulations that the born are subject to? Is it just sour grapes.

God is there for the defenseless.

Even if it does not occur in our timing but the one to come. No one shall escape this.

It's OK if the discussion is beyond you, just sit and watch.
Do try not to interrupt though.

Shall we do the one wrong, so that the defenseless can be spared. What about the people whom do such wrongs, do they not deserve to be saved?

God forbid let them change and turn to God. So in this both the defenseless and the harmers can both be saved.

You want the defenseless to be spared heavenly paradise?
Do you have a justification for such callousness?

How do you know they will be spared from heaven? I nor you was aborted how do I know that you won't make it nor myself?

Do you make me God or yourself to know such a thing. You do not know for you are not God. Sorry that you wish to be, but you can never be that.

So you don't believe that your god would accept the innocent souls of the aborted into heaven?
What do you think he would do with them?

Why worry that which is saved? Not me. Worry about the ones that are not saved. The ones committing the wrongs in killing others. It is them that need salvation not the aborted.

So now you contend that the souls of the aborted are saved?
Yes?

Those that do the aborting are the ones that need the salvation. This way both are saved. The aborted are saved due to Gods justice and the abortion doer who changes and believes God is also saved. One by his justice and one by his grace.

So abortion sends those souls straight to heaven, without any chance of suffering or failure those souls achieve the end result that all christians strive for.
The abortionist is doing those souls the greatest service any human can do for a soul, christian or otherwise.
Shouldn't the christians be praising these selfless individuals who are prepared to accept eternal torture for sending so many straight to heaven.
They have a far greater success rate than any preacher.
All praise the selfless abortionist.

The killers are not saving the aborted. GOD is. The killer can't send them to heaven. The killer sends them to death, that is the difference. The killer is in the wrong. No one then can save the dead person but only God.

You are in error.
So answer the question.
Are the souls of the aborted saved?

You still don't know the answer? Ask me the question again and I will answer it for you. This way you shall work for it, for the answer.
seeu46
Posts: 578
Add as Friend
Challenge to a Debate
Send a Message
6/3/2015 7:21:48 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 6/3/2015 4:13:45 AM, Illegalcombatant wrote:
At 6/2/2015 1:02:58 PM, seeu46 wrote:

God is there for the defenseless.

Looks like we got a comedian here.


You say I am.
Double_R
Posts: 4,886
Add as Friend
Challenge to a Debate
Send a Message
6/3/2015 8:29:21 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 6/2/2015 1:26:49 PM, Vox_Veritas wrote:
In doing so, the unborn would have no choice whether or not to be saved. God wants human beings to have a choice in the matter, to choose Heaven or Hell.

Then he should demonstrate to us that they are real places. Until one accepts they are actually real, choosing to go to either of them is a logical contradiction.
Double_R
Posts: 4,886
Add as Friend
Challenge to a Debate
Send a Message
6/3/2015 8:39:27 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 6/3/2015 2:46:24 AM, seeu46 wrote:
The killers are not saving the aborted. GOD is. The killer can't send them to heaven. The killer sends them to death, that is the difference. The killer is in the wrong. No one then can save the dead person but only God.

I love how God gets the credit when we end up in heaven, but when we end up in hell it is us who "send ourselves" there. Heads I win, tails you lose. No wonder God's record is perfect by Christian count.
seeu46
Posts: 578
Add as Friend
Challenge to a Debate
Send a Message
6/3/2015 9:16:32 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 6/3/2015 8:39:27 PM, Double_R wrote:
At 6/3/2015 2:46:24 AM, seeu46 wrote:
The killers are not saving the aborted. GOD is. The killer can't send them to heaven. The killer sends them to death, that is the difference. The killer is in the wrong. No one then can save the dead person but only God.

I love how God gets the credit when we end up in heaven, but when we end up in hell it is us who "send ourselves" there. Heads I win, tails you lose. No wonder God's record is perfect by Christian count.

His judgement where ever anyone goes. You win what God allows you to. Some argue eternity.....some argue into non-existence....some argue a disciplinary time frame.

Either way it does not matter. Lets pretend your right and God is to blame or is in the wrong. So what? Can you or I stop him. Nope.