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Envisage
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6/2/2015 4:17:40 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
The sheer degenerate behaviour just puts me off posting here.

For example in the "Atheists owe no explanation thread":

Serato: "I would think you're simply a brainwashed idiot believing everything you've been conditioned to believe."

Personal attack..

Saint_Of_Me: "Typical christian response."... "LOL. Tool bag."

Personal attack + unjustified generalisation of all Christians... Plus attempt at ridiculing someone (ad homenum)

Bulproof: "I've seen better drivel on a dunny door, nice try for someone like you though."

Ad homenum + explicit personal attack..

dhardage: "Meaningless word salad. Have you been ingesting hallucinogenic substances?"

Ignorance + Personal Attack and possible ad homenum

This trend is essentially the same in every single thread, with about half the posts or more being degenerate, and downright unpleasent to participate in. Coming from both atheists, Christians and others. Wtf is with the people in this forum.
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6/2/2015 4:21:28 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 6/2/2015 4:17:40 PM, Envisage wrote:
The sheer degenerate behaviour just puts me off posting here.

For example in the "Atheists owe no explanation thread":

Serato: "I would think you're simply a brainwashed idiot believing everything you've been conditioned to believe."

Personal attack..

Saint_Of_Me: "Typical christian response."... "LOL. Tool bag."

Personal attack + unjustified generalisation of all Christians... Plus attempt at ridiculing someone (ad homenum)

Bulproof: "I've seen better drivel on a dunny door, nice try for someone like you though."

Ad homenum + explicit personal attack..

dhardage: "Meaningless word salad. Have you been ingesting hallucinogenic substances?"

Ignorance + Personal Attack and possible ad homenum

This trend is essentially the same in every single thread, with about half the posts or more being degenerate, and downright unpleasent to participate in. Coming from both atheists, Christians and others. Wtf is with the people in this forum.

+1
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6/2/2015 4:50:04 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 6/2/2015 4:17:40 PM, Envisage wrote:
The sheer degenerate behaviour just puts me off posting here.

For example in the "Atheists owe no explanation thread":

Serato: "I would think you're simply a brainwashed idiot believing everything you've been conditioned to believe."

Personal attack..

Saint_Of_Me: "Typical christian response."... "LOL. Tool bag."

Personal attack + unjustified generalisation of all Christians... Plus attempt at ridiculing someone (ad homenum)

Bulproof: "I've seen better drivel on a dunny door, nice try for someone like you though."

Ad homenum + explicit personal attack..

dhardage: "Meaningless word salad. Have you been ingesting hallucinogenic substances?"

Ignorance + Personal Attack and possible ad homenum

This trend is essentially the same in every single thread, with about half the posts or more being degenerate, and downright unpleasent to participate in. Coming from both atheists, Christians and others. Wtf is with the people in this forum.

I would love to have a laconic discussion that abides wholly with unfettered faith and obedience to your improved commandments, Moses. So let's discuss evolution. I can't seem to find any proof of evolution other than adaptation. Can you explain the difference between these different types of evolution?
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6/2/2015 5:07:45 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 6/2/2015 4:50:04 PM, Serato wrote:
I would love to have a laconic discussion that abides wholly with unfettered faith and obedience to your improved commandments, Moses. So let's discuss evolution. I can't seem to find any proof of evolution other than adaptation. Can you explain the difference between these different types of evolution?

You are over-generalising concepts here, and I don't know what you are talking about with "these different types of evolution" when you haven't presented them.

Saying "proof of evolution" makes no sense since evolution is a very large theory which contains a lot of sub-points, including its mechanisms, its history, its science in genetics, and in its place in the modern synthesis. Thus you need to be more specific with your question when you ask for "proof" of evolution" since it makes no sense at face-value, it would be like saying to someone "prove capitalism", when capitalism is a whole mesh of different concepts which while starting from one basic principle, cannot as a whole be "proven" in the way a laymans interpretation can be.

If your question if "what is the proof that all life had evolved in the past to its present state", then phylogeny, the fossil record, and study of genetics (such as ERVs, homologous genes, etc.) and gene history would probably be the place to look. If your question is "what is the proof that evolutions mechanisms are sufficient to produce what we have today" then I would refer you to what we know about mutation rates, selection experiments, and long-term experiments/observations with adaptive radiation, genetic bottlenecks, bacteria studies, etc. etc.

You can find all sorts, but the main thing is to actually define what you are asking about so that a targeted answer can be provided.
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6/2/2015 5:08:36 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 6/2/2015 4:21:28 PM, Geogeer wrote:
At 6/2/2015 4:17:40 PM, Envisage wrote:
The sheer degenerate behaviour just puts me off posting here.

For example in the "Atheists owe no explanation thread":

Serato: "I would think you're simply a brainwashed idiot believing everything you've been conditioned to believe."

Personal attack..

Saint_Of_Me: "Typical christian response."... "LOL. Tool bag."

Personal attack + unjustified generalisation of all Christians... Plus attempt at ridiculing someone (ad homenum)

Bulproof: "I've seen better drivel on a dunny door, nice try for someone like you though."

Ad homenum + explicit personal attack..

dhardage: "Meaningless word salad. Have you been ingesting hallucinogenic substances?"

Ignorance + Personal Attack and possible ad homenum

This trend is essentially the same in every single thread, with about half the posts or more being degenerate, and downright unpleasent to participate in. Coming from both atheists, Christians and others. Wtf is with the people in this forum.

+1

Ditto.
This thread is like eavesdropping on a conversation in a mental asylum. - Bulproof

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What the hell kind of coked up sideshow has this thread turned into. - Casten
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6/2/2015 5:11:21 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 6/2/2015 4:17:40 PM, Envisage wrote:
The sheer degenerate behaviour just puts me off posting here.

For example in the "Atheists owe no explanation thread":

Serato: "I would think you're simply a brainwashed idiot believing everything you've been conditioned to believe."

Personal attack..

Saint_Of_Me: "Typical christian response."... "LOL. Tool bag."

Personal attack + unjustified generalisation of all Christians... Plus attempt at ridiculing someone (ad homenum)

Bulproof: "I've seen better drivel on a dunny door, nice try for someone like you though."

Ad homenum + explicit personal attack..

dhardage: "Meaningless word salad. Have you been ingesting hallucinogenic substances?"

Ignorance + Personal Attack and possible ad homenum

This trend is essentially the same in every single thread, with about half the posts or more being degenerate, and downright unpleasent to participate in. Coming from both atheists, Christians and others. Wtf is with the people in this forum.

"WTF"

Ummm!! You used a reference to a bad word! Waah..I am telling!

Personal attack on me, mentioning my name in your post.

LOL.

This is how you sound...don't laugh.

I already addressed your admonishment to me originally, and said that I took your point.
I was trying to be polite.

But I am a bit annoyed that you took it upon yourself to mention my name in this post. As if you are some sort of moderator.

Look..this is an internet forum. You are gonna get some flaming and some idiots. I deal with them all the time, here and at work. I agree that sometimes when you are looking for a serious answer and just get juvenile criticism and profanity, it is frustrating. But that is the nature of the beast, I reckon.

I still find the fundmantal christians to be the worst, however. How they can smugly attack and defend something that lapses on psychosis--belief in a sky god, an imaginary friend, or divine long-dead jewish carpenters, never ceases to amaze and depress me.

But yes--I suppose we all do it at times. I can only suggest finding another forum to post on if this gets a bit too edgy for you.
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6/2/2015 5:14:56 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
The Christians are crying; " Just prophesy good things about me", and insulted that we can see the deceptions about themselves which they cannot.
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6/2/2015 5:39:29 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 6/2/2015 5:07:45 PM, Envisage wrote:
At 6/2/2015 4:50:04 PM, Serato wrote:
I would love to have a laconic discussion that abides wholly with unfettered faith and obedience to your improved commandments, Moses. So let's discuss evolution. I can't seem to find any proof of evolution other than adaptation. Can you explain the difference between these different types of evolution?

You are over-generalising concepts here, and I don't know what you are talking about with "these different types of evolution" when you haven't presented them.

Saying "proof of evolution" makes no sense since evolution is a very large theory which contains a lot of sub-points, including its mechanisms, its history, its science in genetics, and in its place in the modern synthesis. Thus you need to be more specific with your question when you ask for "proof" of evolution" since it makes no sense at face-value, it would be like saying to someone "prove capitalism", when capitalism is a whole mesh of different concepts which while starting from one basic principle, cannot as a whole be "proven" in the way a laymans interpretation can be.

If your question if "what is the proof that all life had evolved in the past to its present state", then phylogeny, the fossil record, and study of genetics (such as ERVs, homologous genes, etc.) and gene history would probably be the place to look. If your question is "what is the proof that evolutions mechanisms are sufficient to produce what we have today" then I would refer you to what we know about mutation rates, selection experiments, and long-term experiments/observations with adaptive radiation, genetic bottlenecks, bacteria studies, etc. etc.

You can find all sorts, but the main thing is to actually define what you are asking about so that a targeted answer can be provided.

Okay then, let's begin with fossils. How are fossils proof of evolution? Keep in mind the bottom line to Christianity, which Is essentially a warning about Satan. Satan made a wager with God that he could deceive humanity. So all I'm asking from you is for proof. What do fossils prove? and how? If I wanted to tell a lie, I'd dig up the remains of a dog and tell you it's the ancestry of cats. I could tell you anything. But what do fossils tell? what do they prove?
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6/2/2015 5:57:58 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 6/2/2015 4:17:40 PM, Envisage wrote:
The sheer degenerate behaviour just puts me off posting here.

For example in the "Atheists owe no explanation thread":

Serato: "I would think you're simply a brainwashed idiot believing everything you've been conditioned to believe."

Personal attack..

Saint_Of_Me: "Typical christian response."... "LOL. Tool bag."

Personal attack + unjustified generalisation of all Christians... Plus attempt at ridiculing someone (ad homenum)

Bulproof: "I've seen better drivel on a dunny door, nice try for someone like you though."

Ad homenum + explicit personal attack..

dhardage: "Meaningless word salad. Have you been ingesting hallucinogenic substances?"

Ignorance + Personal Attack and possible ad homenum

This trend is essentially the same in every single thread, with about half the posts or more being degenerate, and downright unpleasent to participate in. Coming from both atheists, Christians and others. Wtf is with the people in this forum.

Going by my experience on my thread I'd say some atheists here tend to be the first to insult. In any case, you'd expect something like this where feelings run deep. As I'm sure you know debate on other hot button topics can get equally heated, I must wonder why the Politics section here isn't as active. In my other forum the Politics section is VERY active.
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6/2/2015 5:59:29 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 6/2/2015 5:39:29 PM, Serato wrote:
At 6/2/2015 5:07:45 PM, Envisage wrote:
At 6/2/2015 4:50:04 PM, Serato wrote:
I would love to have a laconic discussion that abides wholly with unfettered faith and obedience to your improved commandments, Moses. So let's discuss evolution. I can't seem to find any proof of evolution other than adaptation. Can you explain the difference between these different types of evolution?

You are over-generalising concepts here, and I don't know what you are talking about with "these different types of evolution" when you haven't presented them.

Saying "proof of evolution" makes no sense since evolution is a very large theory which contains a lot of sub-points, including its mechanisms, its history, its science in genetics, and in its place in the modern synthesis. Thus you need to be more specific with your question when you ask for "proof" of evolution" since it makes no sense at face-value, it would be like saying to someone "prove capitalism", when capitalism is a whole mesh of different concepts which while starting from one basic principle, cannot as a whole be "proven" in the way a laymans interpretation can be.

If your question if "what is the proof that all life had evolved in the past to its present state", then phylogeny, the fossil record, and study of genetics (such as ERVs, homologous genes, etc.) and gene history would probably be the place to look. If your question is "what is the proof that evolutions mechanisms are sufficient to produce what we have today" then I would refer you to what we know about mutation rates, selection experiments, and long-term experiments/observations with adaptive radiation, genetic bottlenecks, bacteria studies, etc. etc.

You can find all sorts, but the main thing is to actually define what you are asking about so that a targeted answer can be provided.

Okay then, let's begin with fossils. How are fossils proof of evolution?

It seems you have ignored everything I have just said. "Proof of evolution" is a nonsensical concept/question/statement. Understand that much first and conform your question otherwise you are not going to get an answer. Anyway, new thread needed, you should start a thread in the science forum where this belongs.

Keep in mind the bottom line to Christianity, which Is essentially a warning about Satan. Satan made a wager with God that he could deceive humanity.

Okay... so you believe that. If you think this is going to hinder your ability to think through concepts and facts and weigh them on plausibility, then you probably have some epistemological issues to solve before thinking of addressing ones that are going to clash with your other preconceived ideas...

So all I'm asking from you is for proof. What do fossils prove? and how? If I wanted to tell a lie, I'd dig up the remains of a dog and tell you it's the ancestry of cats. I could tell you anything. But what do fossils tell? what do they prove?

They give you a portrait of history of life that has existed on Earth. You can look at individual line of families, genus and species and see how they branch, relocate, change, etc. E.g. you can follow the history of primates in the past few million years, and you will find branching and progression to modern day humans from a common ancestor to other primates. You also see "dead branches", such as the emergence and then extinction of Neanderthals, of which we share a common ancestor. The following factors are considered when looking at the fossil record:

1. Age of fossils
2. Location of fossils
3. Their homology

Thus, the theory evolution and common ancestry will make quite specific predictions about exactly what the fossil record will look like. A great example is the evolution of whales, where we already know they are mammals, thus evolution predicts that they must share a common ancestor with mammals somewhere in the past - thus their evolutionary line will be from four-limbed land-dwelling species to a fully aquatic species, with or without some branching. That's essentially exactly what we discovered, a steady progression in chronological order from one to the other, with features such as the retraction of forward limbs to form fins, moving of the nose to form its blowhole, and the disappearance of its hind limbs to vestiges.

http://evolution.berkeley.edu...

The fossil record basically gives you lots of snapshots from which you can play-back history if you have enough data.
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6/2/2015 5:59:54 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 6/2/2015 5:39:29 PM, Serato wrote:

Okay then, let's begin with fossils. How are fossils proof of evolution? Keep in mind the bottom line to Christianity, which Is essentially a warning about Satan. Satan made a wager with God that he could deceive humanity. So all I'm asking from you is for proof. What do fossils prove? and how? If I wanted to tell a lie, I'd dig up the remains of a dog and tell you it's the ancestry of cats. I could tell you anything. But what do fossils tell? what do they prove?

New thread please.
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6/2/2015 6:03:40 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 6/2/2015 5:11:21 PM, Saint_of_Me wrote:


I still find the fundmantal christians to be the worst, however. How they can smugly attack and defend something that lapses on psychosis--belief in a sky god, an imaginary friend, or divine long-dead jewish carpenters, never ceases to amaze and depress me.

What the f*ck ? Lapses on psychoses your a*s.
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6/2/2015 6:05:58 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 6/2/2015 5:59:29 PM, Envisage wrote:

The fossil record basically gives you lots of snapshots from which you can play-back history if you have enough data.

Please make another thread. This is obviously WAY off-topic.
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6/2/2015 6:08:43 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 6/2/2015 6:05:58 PM, Iredia wrote:
At 6/2/2015 5:59:29 PM, Envisage wrote:

The fossil record basically gives you lots of snapshots from which you can play-back history if you have enough data.

Please make another thread. This is obviously WAY off-topic.

Ever so slightly....
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6/2/2015 6:46:58 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 6/2/2015 4:17:40 PM, Envisage wrote:
The sheer degenerate behaviour just puts me off posting here.

For example in the "Atheists owe no explanation thread":

Serato: "I would think you're simply a brainwashed idiot believing everything you've been conditioned to believe."

Personal attack..

Saint_Of_Me: "Typical christian response."... "LOL. Tool bag."

Personal attack + unjustified generalisation of all Christians... Plus attempt at ridiculing someone (ad homenum)

Bulproof: "I've seen better drivel on a dunny door, nice try for someone like you though."

Ad homenum + explicit personal attack..

dhardage: "Meaningless word salad. Have you been ingesting hallucinogenic substances?"

Ignorance + Personal Attack and possible ad homenum

This trend is essentially the same in every single thread, with about half the posts or more being degenerate, and downright unpleasent to participate in. Coming from both atheists, Christians and others. Wtf is with the people in this forum.

Try joining the adult conversations instead of the childrens ones.
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6/2/2015 7:10:04 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 6/2/2015 5:59:29 PM, Envisage wrote:
At 6/2/2015 5:39:29 PM, Serato wrote:
At 6/2/2015 5:07:45 PM, Envisage wrote:
At 6/2/2015 4:50:04 PM, Serato wrote:
I would love to have a laconic discussion that abides wholly with unfettered faith and obedience to your improved commandments, Moses. So let's discuss evolution. I can't seem to find any proof of evolution other than adaptation. Can you explain the difference between these different types of evolution?

You are over-generalising concepts here, and I don't know what you are talking about with "these different types of evolution" when you haven't presented them.

Saying "proof of evolution" makes no sense since evolution is a very large theory which contains a lot of sub-points, including its mechanisms, its history, its science in genetics, and in its place in the modern synthesis. Thus you need to be more specific with your question when you ask for "proof" of evolution" since it makes no sense at face-value, it would be like saying to someone "prove capitalism", when capitalism is a whole mesh of different concepts which while starting from one basic principle, cannot as a whole be "proven" in the way a laymans interpretation can be.

If your question if "what is the proof that all life had evolved in the past to its present state", then phylogeny, the fossil record, and study of genetics (such as ERVs, homologous genes, etc.) and gene history would probably be the place to look. If your question is "what is the proof that evolutions mechanisms are sufficient to produce what we have today" then I would refer you to what we know about mutation rates, selection experiments, and long-term experiments/observations with adaptive radiation, genetic bottlenecks, bacteria studies, etc. etc.

You can find all sorts, but the main thing is to actually define what you are asking about so that a targeted answer can be provided.

Okay then, let's begin with fossils. How are fossils proof of evolution?

It seems you have ignored everything I have just said. "Proof of evolution" is a nonsensical concept/question/statement. Understand that much first and conform your question otherwise you are not going to get an answer. Anyway, new thread needed, you should start a thread in the science forum where this belongs.

A new thread is not needed. You forced my attention by quoting a comment made by myself, and an obligation to its worded integrity is standing now to your attention, willing to validate its authenticity. I said to you or to whom ever that they're brainwashed, and this is one of the many subjects of mass mind manipulations. You now have an obligation to engage me, and also for credibility to your new and improved commandments, one of which stipulates concise answering, I'd appreciate if you'd skip the leaping evolutions to fast-forwarding thought processes, and foggy this backwards to the beginning, because you've already said some things that are not true.

Let's keep it simple. Getting back to fossils, by saying it's nonsensical to ask for proof, then I'm assuming you'd admit it's not proof, but maybe some sort of evidence that requires faith of imagination unless saddled with other things. But how do you know fossils are millions of years old when carbon-14 can still be found in them? Remember, I'm trying to validate my quote. I'm suggesting you've been lied to. So answer this question without being evasive: do fossils contain carbon-14? If you're unaware, C-14 has only a lifespan of 100,000 years. So let's figure this out.

Keep in mind the bottom line to Christianity, which Is essentially a warning about Satan. Satan made a wager with God that he could deceive humanity.

Okay... so you believe that. If you think this is going to hinder your ability to think through concepts and facts and weigh them on plausibility, then you probably have some epistemological issues to solve before thinking of addressing ones that are going to clash with your other preconceived ideas...

So all I'm asking from you is for proof. What do fossils prove? and how? If I wanted to tell a lie, I'd dig up the remains of a dog and tell you it's the ancestry of cats. I could tell you anything. But what do fossils tell? what do they prove?

They give you a portrait of history of life that has existed on Earth. You can look at individual line of families, genus and species and see how they branch, relocate, change, etc. E.g. you can follow the history of primates in the past few million years, and you will find branching and progression to modern day humans from a common ancestor to other primates. You also see "dead branches", such as the emergence and then extinction of Neanderthals, of which we share a common ancestor. The following factors are considered when looking at the fossil record:

1. Age of fossils
2. Location of fossils
3. Their homology

Thus, the theory evolution and common ancestry will make quite specific predictions about exactly what the fossil record will look like. A great example is the evolution of whales, where we already know they are mammals, thus evolution predicts that they must share a common ancestor with mammals somewhere in the past - thus their evolutionary line will be from four-limbed land-dwelling species to a fully aquatic species, with or without some branching. That's essentially exactly what we discovered, a steady progression in chronological order from one to the other, with features such as the retraction of forward limbs to form fins, moving of the nose to form its blowhole, and the disappearance of its hind limbs to vestiges.

http://evolution.berkeley.edu...

The fossil record basically gives you lots of snapshots from which you can play-back history if you have enough data.
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6/2/2015 10:16:52 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 6/2/2015 4:17:40 PM, Envisage wrote:
The sheer degenerate behaviour just puts me off posting here.

For example in the "Atheists owe no explanation thread":

Serato: "I would think you're simply a brainwashed idiot believing everything you've been conditioned to believe."

Personal attack..

Saint_Of_Me: "Typical christian response."... "LOL. Tool bag."

Personal attack + unjustified generalisation of all Christians... Plus attempt at ridiculing someone (ad homenum)

Bulproof: "I've seen better drivel on a dunny door, nice try for someone like you though."

Ad homenum + explicit personal attack..

dhardage: "Meaningless word salad. Have you been ingesting hallucinogenic substances?"

Ignorance + Personal Attack and possible ad homenum

This trend is essentially the same in every single thread, with about half the posts or more being degenerate, and downright unpleasent to participate in. Coming from both atheists, Christians and others. Wtf is with the people in this forum.

Is honesty that scary to you?
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6/2/2015 10:21:56 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 6/2/2015 4:17:40 PM, Envisage wrote:
The sheer degenerate behaviour just puts me off posting here.

For example in the "Atheists owe no explanation thread":

Serato: "I would think you're simply a brainwashed idiot believing everything you've been conditioned to believe."

Personal attack..

Saint_Of_Me: "Typical christian response."... "LOL. Tool bag."

Personal attack + unjustified generalisation of all Christians... Plus attempt at ridiculing someone (ad homenum)

Bulproof: "I've seen better drivel on a dunny door, nice try for someone like you though."

Ad homenum + explicit personal attack..

dhardage: "Meaningless word salad. Have you been ingesting hallucinogenic substances?"

Ignorance + Personal Attack and possible ad homenum

This trend is essentially the same in every single thread, with about half the posts or more being degenerate, and downright unpleasent to participate in. Coming from both atheists, Christians and others. Wtf is with the people in this forum.

- You should see the threads I post, which are rare btw. Every single one of them turns into a drain hole after a couple of posts. We should do like a circle between those genuinely interested in discussion or debate & somehow exclude the trolls. Is there a way this is possible? I wonder!
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6/2/2015 10:51:41 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
Yeah, it's like trying to have an intellectual panel discussion on the stage of The Jerry Springer Show.
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6/3/2015 10:06:27 AM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 6/2/2015 10:51:41 PM, Skepsikyma wrote:
Yeah, it's like trying to have an intellectual panel discussion on the stage of The Jerry Springer Show.
The Jerry's show is about dysfunctional Americans. The religious forum draws dysfunctional Christians. The Jerry's show in entertaining. This discussion group is depressing.
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6/3/2015 10:14:05 AM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 6/2/2015 10:21:56 PM, Yassine wrote:
At 6/2/2015 4:17:40 PM, Envisage wrote:
The sheer degenerate behaviour just puts me off posting here.

For example in the "Atheists owe no explanation thread":

Serato: "I would think you're simply a brainwashed idiot believing everything you've been conditioned to believe."

Personal attack..

Saint_Of_Me: "Typical christian response."... "LOL. Tool bag."

Personal attack + unjustified generalisation of all Christians... Plus attempt at ridiculing someone (ad homenum)

Bulproof: "I've seen better drivel on a dunny door, nice try for someone like you though."

Ad homenum + explicit personal attack..

dhardage: "Meaningless word salad. Have you been ingesting hallucinogenic substances?"

Ignorance + Personal Attack and possible ad homenum

This trend is essentially the same in every single thread, with about half the posts or more being degenerate, and downright unpleasent to participate in. Coming from both atheists, Christians and others. Wtf is with the people in this forum.

- You should see the threads I post, which are rare btw. Every single one of them turns into a drain hole after a couple of posts. We should do like a circle between those genuinely interested in discussion or debate & somehow exclude the trolls. Is there a way this is possible? I wonder!

Trolls = anyone who disagrees with Islamic propaganda or offers sources and citations not personally approved by Yassine.
Marrying a 6 year old and waiting until she reaches puberty and maturity before having consensual sex is better than walking up to
a stranger in a bar and proceeding to have relations with no valid proof of the intent of the person. Muhammad wins. ~ Fatihah
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Without God, you are lower than sh!t. ~ SpiritandTruth
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6/3/2015 10:16:08 AM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 6/2/2015 10:51:41 PM, Skepsikyma wrote:
Yeah, it's like trying to have an intellectual panel discussion on the stage of The Jerry Springer Show.

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6/3/2015 10:23:19 AM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 6/2/2015 4:17:40 PM, Envisage wrote:
The sheer degenerate behaviour just puts me off posting here.

For example in the "Atheists owe no explanation thread":

Serato: "I would think you're simply a brainwashed idiot believing everything you've been conditioned to believe."

Personal attack..

Saint_Of_Me: "Typical christian response."... "LOL. Tool bag."

Personal attack + unjustified generalisation of all Christians... Plus attempt at ridiculing someone (ad homenum)

Bulproof: "I've seen better drivel on a dunny door, nice try for someone like you though."

Ad homenum + explicit personal attack..

dhardage: "Meaningless word salad. Have you been ingesting hallucinogenic substances?"

Ignorance + Personal Attack and possible ad homenum

This trend is essentially the same in every single thread, with about half the posts or more being degenerate, and downright unpleasent to participate in. Coming from both atheists, Christians and others. Wtf is with the people in this forum.

Soap Opera happens.
Thinking is extremely taxing on the gullible, and it takes hours to clear the smoke.
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6/3/2015 11:34:46 AM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 6/2/2015 4:17:40 PM, Envisage wrote:
The sheer degenerate behaviour just puts me off posting here.

For example in the "Atheists owe no explanation thread":

Serato: "I would think you're simply a brainwashed idiot believing everything you've been conditioned to believe."

Personal attack..

Saint_Of_Me: "Typical christian response."... "LOL. Tool bag."

Personal attack + unjustified generalisation of all Christians... Plus attempt at ridiculing someone (ad homenum)

Bulproof: "I've seen better drivel on a dunny door, nice try for someone like you though."

Ad homenum + explicit personal attack..

dhardage: "Meaningless word salad. Have you been ingesting hallucinogenic substances?"

Ignorance + Personal Attack and possible ad homenum

This trend is essentially the same in every single thread, with about half the posts or more being degenerate, and downright unpleasent to participate in. Coming from both atheists, Christians and others. Wtf is with the people in this forum.

I agree. After all, ignorance can be exhausted by discussion & learning, but entertaining personal attacks & carefree behavior to rational argumentation i.e. pure agitation, is just a wastage of time & energy. They're just finding someone to entertain them, that's why I've screened out some IDs now, to ignore them & their hateful intentions. We can't satisfy to one who possess no point of discussion.

And about why it's so, I believe that's mostly because of few people, active current days (or before). I wish we could have some sincere lovers of knowledge & intellect, to talk with.
Remove the "I want", remainder is the "peace". ~Al-Ghazali~
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6/3/2015 11:44:52 AM
Posted: 1 year ago

Trolls = anyone who disagrees with Islamic propaganda or offers sources and citations not personally approved by Yassine.

This is another example of what Envisage is trying to say here. Yassine had been very active participant in discussion & debate over DDO, he provides sufficient reasoning to support whatever he says, though other may regard it valid or invalid, relying on their provided reasoning. But those who provide no reasoning for their assertions, are more worthy to be classified as trolls.
Remove the "I want", remainder is the "peace". ~Al-Ghazali~
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6/3/2015 12:03:26 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 6/3/2015 11:44:52 AM, Dazz wrote:

Trolls = anyone who disagrees with Islamic propaganda or offers sources and citations not personally approved by Yassine.

This is another example of what Envisage is trying to say here. Yassine had been very active participant in discussion & debate over DDO, he provides sufficient reasoning to support whatever he says, though other may regard it valid or invalid, relying on their provided reasoning. But those who provide no reasoning for their assertions, are more worthy to be classified as trolls.

Yeah, that's quite the fairy tale you're spinning there.

Yassine's so-called reasoning has been shown to be invalid many times, but he simply ignores it because he personally doesn't approve and then calls them trolls when he is incapable of showing his views are valid.
Marrying a 6 year old and waiting until she reaches puberty and maturity before having consensual sex is better than walking up to
a stranger in a bar and proceeding to have relations with no valid proof of the intent of the person. Muhammad wins. ~ Fatihah
If they don't want to be killed then they have to subdue to the Islamic laws. - Uncung
Without God, you are lower than sh!t. ~ SpiritandTruth
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6/3/2015 12:06:13 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
Something about young-earth wack....um...I mean fundamentalist christians that has always handed me a laugh.........

On a daily basis, most of them fully and eagerly embrace science and technology. They drive to work in their cars with electronic fuel injection which is controlled by a computer chip.

They talk on their smart phones--which have MORE memory then the ENIAC full-room-sized supercomputer of only a generation ago--and they use their PC's.

They nuke their hot pockets in a microwave.

They take their meds their doc gives them. Or their shrink. LOL.

They watch their satellite dish TVs.

All of this technology they accept and put faith in ever day. And will freely admit that the great scientific minds who designed these products "knew what they were doing" and were worthy of our adulation and respect.

OH..but when it comes to radiometric dating of fossils and rocks that have shown thousands of times over the past few decades that the Earth is billions of years old? Well, all of a sudden all these men of science, these geologists and paleontologists and biologists are WRONG! Yeah...even though there are dozens of differing types of radio-metric and carbon dating..they are all wrong!

Why?

Because the same book that condones mass genocide and infanticide and slavery and wife-killing tells 'em so.

Wow.
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6/3/2015 12:24:09 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 6/3/2015 12:03:26 PM, DanneJeRusse wrote:
At 6/3/2015 11:44:52 AM, Dazz wrote:

Trolls = anyone who disagrees with Islamic propaganda or offers sources and citations not personally approved by Yassine.

This is another example of what Envisage is trying to say here. Yassine had been very active participant in discussion & debate over DDO, he provides sufficient reasoning to support whatever he says, though other may regard it valid or invalid, relying on their provided reasoning. But those who provide no reasoning for their assertions, are more worthy to be classified as trolls.

Yeah, that's quite the fairy tale you're spinning there.

Yassine's so-called reasoning has been shown to be invalid many times, but he simply ignores it because he personally doesn't approve and then calls them trolls when he is incapable of showing his views are valid.
So the same conclusion can be replied about you dear. You should approach to present a "materialistic validity" of your arguments (in discussion) to shun the circular logic, instead of bringing up a complain (everywhere & every time). Hope you'd not mind my suggestion, though I believe you not to be a robot.
Remove the "I want", remainder is the "peace". ~Al-Ghazali~
"This time will also pass", a dose to cure both; the excitement & the grievance. ~Ayaz~