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6/5/2015 12:14:49 PM
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Is the world imperfect? If so, what would make it more ideal? Aren't ideals inherently subjective?

If so, then isn't the world really not imperfect? In order for our subjective opinions to mean something they must be merited. Something can't be merited without truth. Truth always references reality.
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6/5/2015 12:18:26 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 6/5/2015 12:14:49 PM, Benshapiro wrote:
Is the world imperfect? If so, what would make it more ideal? Aren't ideals inherently subjective?

If so, then isn't the world really not imperfect? In order for our subjective opinions to mean something they must be merited. Something can't be merited without truth. Truth always references reality.

Decay, destruction and death make this world imperfect. God, who is the Truth, planned for a perfect world after this world passes.
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6/5/2015 12:18:46 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 6/5/2015 12:14:49 PM, Benshapiro wrote:
Is the world imperfect? If so, what would make it more ideal? Aren't ideals inherently subjective?

If so, then isn't the world really not imperfect? In order for our subjective opinions to mean something they must be merited. Something can't be merited without truth. Truth always references reality.

Of course the world is imperfect. People die without cause, crops fail, people hurt other people.

Yes, perfection is a subjective concept but, as with morals, a great deal of it is shared among the human race since we all want to not only survive but to thrive. That's the simple truth of things, Ben. It's not rockets science or even deep philosophical ponderings. It's just the way we have turned out.
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6/5/2015 12:19:03 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 6/5/2015 12:14:49 PM, Benshapiro wrote:
Is the world imperfect? If so, what would make it more ideal? Aren't ideals inherently subjective?

If so, then isn't the world really not imperfect? In order for our subjective opinions to mean something they must be merited. Something can't be merited without truth. Truth always references reality.

You need to show us something that is perfect that we can compare our world, otherwise it's meaningless.
Marrying a 6 year old and waiting until she reaches puberty and maturity before having consensual sex is better than walking up to
a stranger in a bar and proceeding to have relations with no valid proof of the intent of the person. Muhammad wins. ~ Fatihah
If they don't want to be killed then they have to subdue to the Islamic laws. - Uncung
Without God, you are lower than sh!t. ~ SpiritandTruth
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6/5/2015 12:21:14 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 6/5/2015 12:18:46 PM, dhardage wrote:
At 6/5/2015 12:14:49 PM, Benshapiro wrote:
Is the world imperfect? If so, what would make it more ideal? Aren't ideals inherently subjective?

If so, then isn't the world really not imperfect? In order for our subjective opinions to mean something they must be merited. Something can't be merited without truth. Truth always references reality.

Of course the world is imperfect. People die without cause, crops fail, people hurt other people.

I know, isn't it? I agree.

Yes, perfection is a subjective concept but, as with morals, a great deal of it is shared among the human race since we all want to not only survive but to thrive. That's the simple truth of things, Ben. It's not rockets science or even deep philosophical ponderings. It's just the way we have turned out.

That's an appeal ad populum
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6/5/2015 12:21:45 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 6/5/2015 12:19:03 PM, DanneJeRusse wrote:
At 6/5/2015 12:14:49 PM, Benshapiro wrote:
Is the world imperfect? If so, what would make it more ideal? Aren't ideals inherently subjective?

If so, then isn't the world really not imperfect? In order for our subjective opinions to mean something they must be merited. Something can't be merited without truth. Truth always references reality.

You need to show us something that is perfect that we can compare our world, otherwise it's meaningless.

So this question is incoherent. Correct?
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6/5/2015 12:27:18 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 6/5/2015 12:21:45 PM, Benshapiro wrote:
At 6/5/2015 12:19:03 PM, DanneJeRusse wrote:
At 6/5/2015 12:14:49 PM, Benshapiro wrote:
Is the world imperfect? If so, what would make it more ideal? Aren't ideals inherently subjective?

If so, then isn't the world really not imperfect? In order for our subjective opinions to mean something they must be merited. Something can't be merited without truth. Truth always references reality.

You need to show us something that is perfect that we can compare our world, otherwise it's meaningless.

So this question is incoherent. Correct?

It simply needs a comparison or else it just meaningless. What are you comparing our world to showing that it is imperfect? Perhaps, our world is perfect, but we don't know because there are no comparisons.
Marrying a 6 year old and waiting until she reaches puberty and maturity before having consensual sex is better than walking up to
a stranger in a bar and proceeding to have relations with no valid proof of the intent of the person. Muhammad wins. ~ Fatihah
If they don't want to be killed then they have to subdue to the Islamic laws. - Uncung
Without God, you are lower than sh!t. ~ SpiritandTruth
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6/5/2015 12:29:59 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 6/5/2015 12:27:18 PM, DanneJeRusse wrote:
At 6/5/2015 12:21:45 PM, Benshapiro wrote:
At 6/5/2015 12:19:03 PM, DanneJeRusse wrote:
At 6/5/2015 12:14:49 PM, Benshapiro wrote:
Is the world imperfect? If so, what would make it more ideal? Aren't ideals inherently subjective?

If so, then isn't the world really not imperfect? In order for our subjective opinions to mean something they must be merited. Something can't be merited without truth. Truth always references reality.

You need to show us something that is perfect that we can compare our world, otherwise it's meaningless.

So this question is incoherent. Correct?

It simply needs a comparison or else it just meaningless. What are you comparing our world to showing that it is imperfect? Perhaps, our world is perfect, but we don't know because there are no comparisons.

Is a world without starvation better than one with? We can imagine our world in different ways. Are you saying that idealistic notions aren't possible?
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6/5/2015 12:40:08 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 6/5/2015 12:29:59 PM, Benshapiro wrote:
At 6/5/2015 12:27:18 PM, DanneJeRusse wrote:
At 6/5/2015 12:21:45 PM, Benshapiro wrote:
At 6/5/2015 12:19:03 PM, DanneJeRusse wrote:
At 6/5/2015 12:14:49 PM, Benshapiro wrote:
Is the world imperfect? If so, what would make it more ideal? Aren't ideals inherently subjective?

If so, then isn't the world really not imperfect? In order for our subjective opinions to mean something they must be merited. Something can't be merited without truth. Truth always references reality.

You need to show us something that is perfect that we can compare our world, otherwise it's meaningless.

So this question is incoherent. Correct?

It simply needs a comparison or else it just meaningless. What are you comparing our world to showing that it is imperfect? Perhaps, our world is perfect, but we don't know because there are no comparisons.

Is a world without starvation better than one with?

Now, you're getting somewhere. But, I don't think a world without starvation is a perfect world, we would need to put together a list.

We can imagine our world in different ways. Are you saying that idealistic notions aren't possible?

Certainly, a world without religions would be a better one, maybe not perfect, but it would probably help solve numerous problems we face today.
Marrying a 6 year old and waiting until she reaches puberty and maturity before having consensual sex is better than walking up to
a stranger in a bar and proceeding to have relations with no valid proof of the intent of the person. Muhammad wins. ~ Fatihah
If they don't want to be killed then they have to subdue to the Islamic laws. - Uncung
Without God, you are lower than sh!t. ~ SpiritandTruth
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6/5/2015 12:44:19 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 6/5/2015 12:27:18 PM, DanneJeRusse wrote:
At 6/5/2015 12:21:45 PM, Benshapiro wrote:
At 6/5/2015 12:19:03 PM, DanneJeRusse wrote:
At 6/5/2015 12:14:49 PM, Benshapiro wrote:
Is the world imperfect? If so, what would make it more ideal? Aren't ideals inherently subjective?

If so, then isn't the world really not imperfect? In order for our subjective opinions to mean something they must be merited. Something can't be merited without truth. Truth always references reality.

You need to show us something that is perfect that we can compare our world, otherwise it's meaningless.

So this question is incoherent. Correct?

It simply needs a comparison or else it just meaningless. What are you comparing our world to showing that it is imperfect? Perhaps, our world is perfect, but we don't know because there are no comparisons. : :

Biblical prophecies show us the comparison of this old heaven and earth to the new heaven and earth.
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6/5/2015 12:51:41 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 6/5/2015 12:40:08 PM, DanneJeRusse wrote:
At 6/5/2015 12:29:59 PM, Benshapiro wrote:
At 6/5/2015 12:27:18 PM, DanneJeRusse wrote:
At 6/5/2015 12:21:45 PM, Benshapiro wrote:
At 6/5/2015 12:19:03 PM, DanneJeRusse wrote:
At 6/5/2015 12:14:49 PM, Benshapiro wrote:
Is the world imperfect? If so, what would make it more ideal? Aren't ideals inherently subjective?

If so, then isn't the world really not imperfect? In order for our subjective opinions to mean something they must be merited. Something can't be merited without truth. Truth always references reality.

You need to show us something that is perfect that we can compare our world, otherwise it's meaningless.

So this question is incoherent. Correct?

It simply needs a comparison or else it just meaningless. What are you comparing our world to showing that it is imperfect? Perhaps, our world is perfect, but we don't know because there are no comparisons.

Is a world without starvation better than one with?

Now, you're getting somewhere. But, I don't think a world without starvation is a perfect world, we would need to put together a list.

In a perfect world people wouldn't starve. So in comparison to a world without starvation, our world is imperfect because people in our world do starve. Correct?

We can imagine our world in different ways. Are you saying that idealistic notions aren't possible?

Certainly, a world without religions would be a better one, maybe not perfect, but it would probably help solve numerous problems we face today.

Since a conception of a more perfect world is possible, our world is therefore imperfect.
Now, is your idea of a perfect world inherently subjective?
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6/5/2015 1:08:50 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 6/5/2015 12:51:41 PM, Benshapiro wrote:
At 6/5/2015 12:40:08 PM, DanneJeRusse wrote:
At 6/5/2015 12:29:59 PM, Benshapiro wrote:
At 6/5/2015 12:27:18 PM, DanneJeRusse wrote:
At 6/5/2015 12:21:45 PM, Benshapiro wrote:
At 6/5/2015 12:19:03 PM, DanneJeRusse wrote:
At 6/5/2015 12:14:49 PM, Benshapiro wrote:
Is the world imperfect? If so, what would make it more ideal? Aren't ideals inherently subjective?

If so, then isn't the world really not imperfect? In order for our subjective opinions to mean something they must be merited. Something can't be merited without truth. Truth always references reality.

You need to show us something that is perfect that we can compare our world, otherwise it's meaningless.

So this question is incoherent. Correct?

It simply needs a comparison or else it just meaningless. What are you comparing our world to showing that it is imperfect? Perhaps, our world is perfect, but we don't know because there are no comparisons.

Is a world without starvation better than one with?

Now, you're getting somewhere. But, I don't think a world without starvation is a perfect world, we would need to put together a list.

In a perfect world people wouldn't starve. So in comparison to a world without starvation, our world is imperfect because people in our world do starve. Correct?

A lack of starvation does not amount to perfection.

We can imagine our world in different ways. Are you saying that idealistic notions aren't possible?

Certainly, a world without religions would be a better one, maybe not perfect, but it would probably help solve numerous problems we face today.

Since a conception of a more perfect world is possible, our world is therefore imperfect.

That depends on what people consider to be a perfect world, it is entirely subjective.

Now, is your idea of a perfect world inherently subjective?

Everyone's idea of a perfect world is subjective.
Marrying a 6 year old and waiting until she reaches puberty and maturity before having consensual sex is better than walking up to
a stranger in a bar and proceeding to have relations with no valid proof of the intent of the person. Muhammad wins. ~ Fatihah
If they don't want to be killed then they have to subdue to the Islamic laws. - Uncung
Without God, you are lower than sh!t. ~ SpiritandTruth
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6/5/2015 1:17:33 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 6/5/2015 1:08:50 PM, DanneJeRusse wrote:
At 6/5/2015 12:51:41 PM, Benshapiro wrote:
At 6/5/2015 12:40:08 PM, DanneJeRusse wrote:
At 6/5/2015 12:29:59 PM, Benshapiro wrote:
At 6/5/2015 12:27:18 PM, DanneJeRusse wrote:
At 6/5/2015 12:21:45 PM, Benshapiro wrote:
At 6/5/2015 12:19:03 PM, DanneJeRusse wrote:
At 6/5/2015 12:14:49 PM, Benshapiro wrote:
Is the world imperfect? If so, what would make it more ideal? Aren't ideals inherently subjective?

If so, then isn't the world really not imperfect? In order for our subjective opinions to mean something they must be merited. Something can't be merited without truth. Truth always references reality.

You need to show us something that is perfect that we can compare our world, otherwise it's meaningless.

So this question is incoherent. Correct?

It simply needs a comparison or else it just meaningless. What are you comparing our world to showing that it is imperfect? Perhaps, our world is perfect, but we don't know because there are no comparisons.

Is a world without starvation better than one with?

Now, you're getting somewhere. But, I don't think a world without starvation is a perfect world, we would need to put together a list.

In a perfect world people wouldn't starve. So in comparison to a world without starvation, our world is imperfect because people in our world do starve. Correct?

A lack of starvation does not amount to perfection.

Certainly, but the topic isn't about a perfect world. It's about whether ours is an imperfect one.

We can imagine our world in different ways. Are you saying that idealistic notions aren't possible?

Certainly, a world without religions would be a better one, maybe not perfect, but it would probably help solve numerous problems we face today.

Since a conception of a more perfect world is possible, our world is therefore imperfect.

That depends on what people consider to be a perfect world, it is entirely subjective.

Now, is your idea of a perfect world inherently subjective?

Everyone's idea of a perfect world is subjective.

Ok, so our world is not actually imperfect.
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6/5/2015 1:39:52 PM
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Those that CHOOSE to be of the popular many are so brainwashed and programmed that they just follow the bucket ahead of them dreaming of what might be in it. Grain, gold or a possible ESCAPE from what bothers their denial of the One Truth that EXPOSES the deceptions and lies called good by the many.

What is that all about and where is it leading?

The words and descriptions that we have available are ONE sided in that they are VERY VAGUE and PURPOSELY MADE to be that way so that there is PLENTY of ROOM for "making up things".

The UPPER CASE and lower case are just silly rules that are part of the "ear tag" system so that the masters can keep track of their livestock.

Those of the many are so deceived and backwards that they like to show off their ear tags, titles and other marks of the beast to others so that they might better "fit in" with the many.

I AM perfect in a perfect world and most others are imperfect in a imperfect world as that is the type of world that they CHOOSE with their own PERSONAL free will choices.

Most like to have some God/god, scientific theory or other fiction do their thinking for them so that they can pass the responsibilities and blame for their bad and foolish CHOICES off somewhere else.
Life is what YOU make it,
Most just try and fake it...
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6/5/2015 3:34:12 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 6/5/2015 12:14:49 PM, Benshapiro wrote:
Is the world imperfect? If so, what would make it more ideal? Aren't ideals inherently subjective?

If so, then isn't the world really not imperfect? In order for our subjective opinions to mean something they must be merited. Something can't be merited without truth. Truth always references reality.

It depends on what criteria you judge perfection. My perfect woman would be different from yours, for example. If something is intended to do something; if it has purpose, it is not perfect if some other solution fulfills or could fulfill that intent and purpose better.

Incidentally, this is the biggest argument against God; in that the given the purpose, motivation as apparent rules often enumerated, the universe and reality is imperfect; and if a basic human can determine a solution better than an all powerful God in a mere 34 years; that all powerful God probably doesn't exist.
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6/5/2015 3:56:56 PM
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At 6/5/2015 3:34:12 PM, Ramshutu wrote:
At 6/5/2015 12:14:49 PM, Benshapiro wrote:
Is the world imperfect? If so, what would make it more ideal? Aren't ideals inherently subjective?

If so, then isn't the world really not imperfect? In order for our subjective opinions to mean something they must be merited. Something can't be merited without truth. Truth always references reality.

It depends on what criteria you judge perfection. My perfect woman would be different from yours, for example. If something is intended to do something; if it has purpose, it is not perfect if some other solution fulfills or could fulfill that intent and purpose better.

The focus is on imperfection. Would we both agree that a woman that has dark yellow teeth has an imperfection?

Incidentally, this is the biggest argument against God; in that the given the purpose, motivation as apparent rules often enumerated, the universe and reality is imperfect; and if a basic human can determine a solution better than an all powerful God in a mere 34 years; that all powerful God probably doesn't exist.

What if everything was made perfect but beings with free will introduced imperfections?
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6/5/2015 4:02:31 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 6/5/2015 12:14:49 PM, Benshapiro wrote:
Is the world imperfect? If so, what would make it more ideal? Aren't ideals inherently subjective?

If so, then isn't the world really not imperfect? In order for our subjective opinions to mean something they must be merited. Something can't be merited without truth. Truth always references reality.

A perfect world is impossible, as different people have different views on what they and others should be like.
"By all means let's be open-minded, but not so open-minded that our brains drop out."
-Richard Dawkins
"The onus is on you to say why; the onus is not on the rest of us to say why not."
-Richard Dawkins
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6/5/2015 4:10:23 PM
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At 6/5/2015 4:02:31 PM, joetheripper117 wrote:
At 6/5/2015 12:14:49 PM, Benshapiro wrote:
Is the world imperfect? If so, what would make it more ideal? Aren't ideals inherently subjective?

If so, then isn't the world really not imperfect? In order for our subjective opinions to mean something they must be merited. Something can't be merited without truth. Truth always references reality.

A perfect world is impossible, as different people have different views on what they and others should be like.

Is this world imperfect though?
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6/5/2015 4:21:43 PM
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At 6/5/2015 4:10:23 PM, Benshapiro wrote:
At 6/5/2015 4:02:31 PM, joetheripper117 wrote:
At 6/5/2015 12:14:49 PM, Benshapiro wrote:
Is the world imperfect? If so, what would make it more ideal? Aren't ideals inherently subjective?

If so, then isn't the world really not imperfect? In order for our subjective opinions to mean something they must be merited. Something can't be merited without truth. Truth always references reality.

A perfect world is impossible, as different people have different views on what they and others should be like.

Is this world imperfect though?

Considering the lofty way that I define perfection, no the world is not perfect right now.
"By all means let's be open-minded, but not so open-minded that our brains drop out."
-Richard Dawkins
"The onus is on you to say why; the onus is not on the rest of us to say why not."
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6/5/2015 4:26:46 PM
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What's the end game asking this question ?
Porn babes be distracting me. Dudes be stealing me stuff. I'm all about the cash from now. I'm not playing Jesus anymore.
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6/5/2015 4:30:07 PM
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At 6/5/2015 4:21:43 PM, joetheripper117 wrote:
At 6/5/2015 4:10:23 PM, Benshapiro wrote:
At 6/5/2015 4:02:31 PM, joetheripper117 wrote:
At 6/5/2015 12:14:49 PM, Benshapiro wrote:
Is the world imperfect? If so, what would make it more ideal? Aren't ideals inherently subjective?

If so, then isn't the world really not imperfect? In order for our subjective opinions to mean something they must be merited. Something can't be merited without truth. Truth always references reality.

A perfect world is impossible, as different people have different views on what they and others should be like.

Is this world imperfect though?

Considering the lofty way that I define perfection, no the world is not perfect right now.

Disease, cancer, starvation, etc., are all subjective imperfections. Correct?
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6/5/2015 4:35:11 PM
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At 6/5/2015 3:56:56 PM, Benshapiro wrote:
At 6/5/2015 3:34:12 PM, Ramshutu wrote:
At 6/5/2015 12:14:49 PM, Benshapiro wrote:
Is the world imperfect? If so, what would make it more ideal? Aren't ideals inherently subjective?

If so, then isn't the world really not imperfect? In order for our subjective opinions to mean something they must be merited. Something can't be merited without truth. Truth always references reality.

It depends on what criteria you judge perfection. My perfect woman would be different from yours, for example. If something is intended to do something; if it has purpose, it is not perfect if some other solution fulfills or could fulfill that intent and purpose better.

The focus is on imperfection. Would we both agree that a woman that has dark yellow teeth has an imperfection?

Depends if it bothered you. If it doesn't, it isn't.

Incidentally, this is the biggest argument against God; in that the given the purpose, motivation as apparent rules often enumerated, the universe and reality is imperfect; and if a basic human can determine a solution better than an all powerful God in a mere 34 years; that all powerful God probably doesn't exist.

What if everything was made perfect but beings with free will introduced imperfections?

If the only things that were imperfect were the things imperfect beings could affect, maybe. But it also leads to the question whether creating the universe with such an obvious flaw could be considered perfect.
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6/5/2015 4:37:10 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 6/5/2015 4:30:07 PM, Benshapiro wrote:
At 6/5/2015 4:21:43 PM, joetheripper117 wrote:
At 6/5/2015 4:10:23 PM, Benshapiro wrote:
At 6/5/2015 4:02:31 PM, joetheripper117 wrote:
At 6/5/2015 12:14:49 PM, Benshapiro wrote:
Is the world imperfect? If so, what would make it more ideal? Aren't ideals inherently subjective?

If so, then isn't the world really not imperfect? In order for our subjective opinions to mean something they must be merited. Something can't be merited without truth. Truth always references reality.

A perfect world is impossible, as different people have different views on what they and others should be like.

Is this world imperfect though?

Considering the lofty way that I define perfection, no the world is not perfect right now.

Disease, cancer, starvation, etc., are all subjective imperfections. Correct?

In my view, those things are all signs of imperfection in our world.
"By all means let's be open-minded, but not so open-minded that our brains drop out."
-Richard Dawkins
"The onus is on you to say why; the onus is not on the rest of us to say why not."
-Richard Dawkins
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6/5/2015 4:46:40 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 6/5/2015 12:14:49 PM, Benshapiro wrote:
Is the world imperfect?

- Evidently, the World just is what it is.

If so, what would make it more ideal? Aren't ideals inherently subjective?

- What I said: it just is what it is. The idea here is that the notions of better or worse, on that scale, don't exist anymore.

If so, then isn't the world really not imperfect? In order for our subjective opinions to mean something they must be merited. Something can't be merited without truth. Truth always references reality.

- What?!
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6/5/2015 6:03:45 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 6/5/2015 4:46:40 PM, Yassine wrote:
At 6/5/2015 12:14:49 PM, Benshapiro wrote:
Is the world imperfect?

- Evidently, the World just is what it is.
Yeah, I think that's it.
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6/5/2015 6:33:49 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 6/5/2015 12:14:49 PM, Benshapiro wrote:
Is the world imperfect? If so, what would make it more ideal? Aren't ideals inherently subjective?

If so, then isn't the world really not imperfect? In order for our subjective opinions to mean something they must be merited. Something can't be merited without truth. Truth always references reality.

The world is perfect. It is a collection of opposites which all need each other to make the whole. It would be unbalanced and imperfect if it did not have opposites to balance each other out.

Life, reproduction and death make up the perfect cycle of life in the process of the new replacing the old. If we did not have it nothing new would ever replace the old and all things would be stagnant, growth would be stunted and balance would not exist.
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6/5/2015 6:43:36 PM
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At 6/5/2015 12:14:49 PM, Benshapiro wrote:
Truth always references reality.
Why do you always presuppose the correspondence theory of truth?
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6/5/2015 6:54:30 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
IF, you are talking about the world without the people, then by itself.......Yes, it is. With the human element?...........No, it is not. Perhaps that could be because the human, is NOT perfect. Therefore, since I probably believe that they are talking about the human element, then I would have to say no, it isn't.
StoneWizzard
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6/5/2015 7:01:04 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 6/5/2015 12:40:08 PM, DanneJeRusse wrote:
At 6/5/2015 12:29:59 PM, Benshapiro wrote:
At 6/5/2015 12:27:18 PM, DanneJeRusse wrote:
At 6/5/2015 12:21:45 PM, Benshapiro wrote:
At 6/5/2015 12:19:03 PM, DanneJeRusse wrote:
At 6/5/2015 12:14:49 PM, Benshapiro wrote:
Is the world imperfect? If so, what would make it more ideal? Aren't ideals inherently subjective?

If so, then isn't the world really not imperfect? In order for our subjective opinions to mean something they must be merited. Something can't be merited without truth. Truth always references reality.

You need to show us something that is perfect that we can compare our world, otherwise it's meaningless.

So this question is incoherent. Correct?

It simply needs a comparison or else it just meaningless. What are you comparing our world to showing that it is imperfect? Perhaps, our world is perfect, but we don't know because there are no comparisons.

Is a world without starvation better than one with?

Now, you're getting somewhere. But, I don't think a world without starvation is a perfect world, we would need to put together a list.

We can imagine our world in different ways. Are you saying that idealistic notions aren't possible?

Certainly, a world without religions would be a better one, maybe not perfect, but it would probably help solve numerous problems we face today.

A world without Religion would still be imperfect, what would make it perfect is......IF, people would actually LIVE the teachings of their Religions, and treat each other with the kindness, appreciation and respect, that each person deserves, then THAT, would solve ALL the numerous problems that we face today!!!!!!!
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6/5/2015 7:21:07 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
the main problem with this world is that there are not enough gown up mature people to take care of the many children and many that choose to remain like children and follow their make believe and pretend ways until it becommeth their ONLY reality.

A bit like a person that gets lost in the drink and don't believe that being sober is possible.

But there is always other crutches for choice, such as religion as a possible escape from what bothers people.

You know before I was all messed up on booze, but since I found the lord, now I'm all messed up on the lord. He can help you tooooo....
Life is what YOU make it,
Most just try and fake it...