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Electric-Eccentric
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6/6/2015 2:53:55 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
When I first joined and viewed the limited options for profiles and such I found that the starving artist label seemed a FUN fit as I AM a artist in all I do and I don't worship money as most do in their many ways.

What does this have to do with anything?

Most are programed to make a "personal choice" from the menu that is placed before them.

Few realize and understand that they can order oil and vinegar for their salad even tho it's not on the dressing list as those ingredients should be available from the pantry.

Lazy daydreaming people just make believe and pretend that they are something that they are not and then they wonder WHY they are not comfortable within their skin.

Now to what inspired me to create this post.

If the works of a artist are worth more when they are passed on.

WHERE does the VALUE come from?

You have a work of art that was worth x amount before death

And a greatly increased value after death

I know the answers in great detail.

do you?
Life is what YOU make it,
Most just try and fake it...
celestialtorahteacher
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6/6/2015 4:07:05 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
Art was co-opted in the West by Mammon worship after the aristocrats stopped sponsoring artists and art work went on the open market--thus producing starving artists who couldn't manage to market their works while a tiny minority of artists with commercial gallery connections made their livings serving as ornament providers to the rich. Nothing new there except it made artwork subject to commercial standards meaning if you couldn't get buyers to recognize it as art, you starved.

I am a Master Psychedelic Artist and I can't sell my art work for anything like its real worth because Psychedelic Art was the only art movement in history to be banned from gallery presentations as galleries in the Psychedelic Art period were afraid of associating their galleries with illegal drugs. So Pop Art got twice the time recognition and the Psychedelic Art Movement was virutally lost to history. I worked side by side on the kitchen line in a resort hotel with another psychedelic artist, a former Fillmore poster designer who, like me, couldn't make a decent living producing psychedelic art that took tons of hours to produce.

I am holding my masterpiece painting for my children and grandchildren as it is true it will be worth very much more after I'm dead and gone. This is the product of capitalist society that only values commercialism and not culture, not art really, just investment possibilities for future financial gain. Vote for Bernie Sanders and start getting socialism into Art and get artists paid decently for their work contributing to society's culture.
celestialtorahteacher
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6/6/2015 4:13:13 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
If Pop Art paintings now sell for millions of dollars I would want millions of dollars for this very rare item: a museum quality psychedelif art masterpiece painting: http://biomystic.org...

Special discount for Debate members who purchase this painting and read my posts and agree with everything I say..
Electric-Eccentric
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6/6/2015 4:38:30 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
You didn't even try and answer the question. You tried distraction so that you could post for your personal motives.

Now to what inspired me to create this post.

If the works of a artist are worth more when they are passed on.

WHERE does the VALUE come from?

You have a work of art that was worth x amount before death

And a greatly increased value after death

I know the answers in great detail.

do you?
Life is what YOU make it,
Most just try and fake it...
Skyangel
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6/6/2015 6:50:21 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 6/6/2015 2:53:55 PM, Electric-Eccentric wrote:
When I first joined and viewed the limited options for profiles and such I found that the starving artist label seemed a FUN fit as I AM a artist in all I do and I don't worship money as most do in their many ways.

What does this have to do with anything?

Most are programed to make a "personal choice" from the menu that is placed before them.

Few realize and understand that they can order oil and vinegar for their salad even tho it's not on the dressing list as those ingredients should be available from the pantry.

Lazy daydreaming people just make believe and pretend that they are something that they are not and then they wonder WHY they are not comfortable within their skin.

Now to what inspired me to create this post.

If the works of a artist are worth more when they are passed on.

WHERE does the VALUE come from?

You have a work of art that was worth x amount before death

And a greatly increased value after death

I know the answers in great detail.

do you?

YES.
I could give them the answers or let them figure it out for themselves.
It has a lot to do with imagination, selling ideas, greed and the fact that dead people can no longer work or be paid any royalties so they cannot complain about anyone ripping them off.
Value comes from imagination.
One mans trash... is something another man will pay millions to hang on his wall while another won't hang it on his wall if he was paid to do it.
Electric-Eccentric
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6/6/2015 6:56:00 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
I notice that there are those around here that have their eyes on my magic paint brushes and blessed crayons.

them are always after me lucky charms.

and me pot o gold
Life is what YOU make it,
Most just try and fake it...
Skyangel
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6/6/2015 7:36:10 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
Priceless treasures like those are extremely rare and more valuable than anyone can afford.
Therefore it is extremely kind and loving of you to share them with anyone who wants to use them.
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6/6/2015 9:25:33 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
Well, I guess this thread is done with, co-opted by non-artists trying to play guru with another skill they lack.
Skyangel
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6/6/2015 9:55:10 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 6/6/2015 9:25:33 PM, celestialtorahteacher wrote:
Well, I guess this thread is done with, co-opted by non-artists trying to play guru with another skill they lack.

All humans are artists of one sort or another. Humans are all creative and manifest that creativity in many different forms.

Some BS artists obviously like to think more of themselves than they ought.
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6/6/2015 10:13:56 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
Like your phony "spiritual" consciousness that never hears God as a Spirit you make claims about another human skill you probably lack, artistic talent that propels you into jealousy of those with such skills. Show us, Skyangle, that you too are an artist like all human beings are so that such artists as Rembrant, or Monet aren't anything special, human beings produce such artistic treasures every day according you. Meanwhile us real artists have our works authenticated by experts in the field and not poseurs trying to inflate their egos without anything to prove their opinions.

Skyangle, can you ever post without making phony claims of authority you don't have? Before it was your claims to spiritual knowledge as an atheist which is absurd logic and now you're making artist claims and again where is any basis for your opinions as an outsider?
Electric-Eccentric
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6/7/2015 12:05:15 AM
Posted: 1 year ago
Tell us Skyangel, WHY do you do what you do like you do when you do it?

We would all like to know about the lime and the coconut to relieve the belly aches.
Life is what YOU make it,
Most just try and fake it...
Skyangel
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6/7/2015 1:18:38 AM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 6/7/2015 12:05:15 AM, Electric-Eccentric wrote:
Tell us Skyangel, WHY do you do what you do like you do when you do it?

For the Fun, Pleasure, Enjoyment, Entertainment it gives me and others.

We would all like to know about the lime and the coconut to relieve the belly aches.

In every job that must be done there is an element of fun. You find the fun and snap.........!

You put the lime in the coconut and drink them both together.
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6/7/2015 1:31:51 AM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 6/6/2015 10:13:56 PM, celestialtorahteacher wrote:
Like your phony "spiritual" consciousness that never hears God as a Spirit you make claims about another human skill you probably lack, artistic talent that propels you into jealousy of those with such skills. Show us, Skyangle, that you too are an artist like all human beings are so that such artists as Rembrant, or Monet aren't anything special, human beings produce such artistic treasures every day according you. Meanwhile us real artists have our works authenticated by experts in the field and not poseurs trying to inflate their egos without anything to prove their opinions.

Expert artists are all poseurs. They are all players on the grand stage of the world.
True artists have no need to be authenticated by poseurs. Their art speaks for itself.

Skyangle, can you ever post without making phony claims of authority you don't have? Before it was your claims to spiritual knowledge as an atheist which is absurd logic and now you're making artist claims and again where is any basis for your opinions as an outsider?

My own art is the basis for my claims of being an artist.
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6/7/2015 1:43:57 AM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 6/7/2015 1:18:38 AM, Skyangel wrote:
At 6/7/2015 12:05:15 AM, Electric-Eccentric wrote:
Tell us Skyangel, WHY do you do what you do like you do when you do it?

For the Fun, Pleasure, Enjoyment, Entertainment it gives me and others.

We would all like to know about the lime and the coconut to relieve the belly aches.

In every job that must be done there is an element of fun. You find the fun and snap.........!


You put the lime in the coconut and drink them both together.

EE; But some will ask if the lime is blessed and the coconut is kosher.
Life is what YOU make it,
Most just try and fake it...
Skyangel
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6/7/2015 2:13:17 AM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 6/7/2015 1:43:57 AM, Electric-Eccentric wrote:
At 6/7/2015 1:18:38 AM, Skyangel wrote:
At 6/7/2015 12:05:15 AM, Electric-Eccentric wrote:
Tell us Skyangel, WHY do you do what you do like you do when you do it?

For the Fun, Pleasure, Enjoyment, Entertainment it gives me and others.

We would all like to know about the lime and the coconut to relieve the belly aches.

In every job that must be done there is an element of fun. You find the fun and snap.........!


You put the lime in the coconut and drink them both together.

EE; But some will ask if the lime is blessed and the coconut is kosher.

What does it matter if the lime in the coconut is what gave them the belly ache in the first place?
How many times do they need to drink it to figure out it is the cause of the belly ache and stop taking the advice of the quacks to cure the effect of the cause with the very thing that caused the affect?

It is like an alcoholic trying to cure the hangover by drinking more alcohol instead of just sleeping it off and no longer drinking alcohol due to understanding the negative affects of overindulgence.
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6/7/2015 4:55:27 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 6/7/2015 1:31:51 AM, Skyangel wrote:
At 6/6/2015 10:13:56 PM, celestialtorahteacher wrote:
Like your phony "spiritual" consciousness that never hears God as a Spirit you make claims about another human skill you probably lack, artistic talent that propels you into jealousy of those with such skills. Show us, Skyangle, that you too are an artist like all human beings are so that such artists as Rembrant, or Monet aren't anything special, human beings produce such artistic treasures every day according you. Meanwhile us real artists have our works authenticated by experts in the field and not poseurs trying to inflate their egos without anything to prove their opinions.

Expert artists are all poseurs. They are all players on the grand stage of the world.
True artists have no need to be authenticated by poseurs. Their art speaks for itself.



Skyangle, can you ever post without making phony claims of authority you don't have? Before it was your claims to spiritual knowledge as an atheist which is absurd logic and now you're making artist claims and again where is any basis for your opinions as an outsider?

My own art is the basis for my claims of being an artist.

So, like your other claims to authority, you have nothing to show us that would back up your ego that's telling us real artists that mouthing the words of art cliches is all that you need to prove yourself an "artist". A bullshite artist, yes..but certainly not a player in the world of art unless you that includes theater arts where acting is required.
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6/7/2015 6:17:53 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 6/7/2015 4:55:27 PM, celestialtorahteacher wrote:
At 6/7/2015 1:31:51 AM, Skyangel wrote:
At 6/6/2015 10:13:56 PM, celestialtorahteacher wrote:
Like your phony "spiritual" consciousness that never hears God as a Spirit you make claims about another human skill you probably lack, artistic talent that propels you into jealousy of those with such skills. Show us, Skyangle, that you too are an artist like all human beings are so that such artists as Rembrant, or Monet aren't anything special, human beings produce such artistic treasures every day according you. Meanwhile us real artists have our works authenticated by experts in the field and not poseurs trying to inflate their egos without anything to prove their opinions.

Expert artists are all poseurs. They are all players on the grand stage of the world.
True artists have no need to be authenticated by poseurs. Their art speaks for itself.



Skyangle, can you ever post without making phony claims of authority you don't have? Before it was your claims to spiritual knowledge as an atheist which is absurd logic and now you're making artist claims and again where is any basis for your opinions as an outsider?

My own art is the basis for my claims of being an artist.

So, like your other claims to authority, you have nothing to show us that would back up your ego that's telling us real artists that mouthing the words of art cliches is all that you need to prove yourself an "artist". A bullshite artist, yes..but certainly not a player in the world of art unless you that includes theater arts where acting is required.

I have no need to try to boost my ego by proving to you or anyone else that I have various different artistic talents. I know what my talents are and how many awards I have won. I am comfortable with who and what I am and have no need to brag about it to try to gain other peoples respect or admiration. I have no inclination to share that information with rude people like you who presume I am nothing but a BS artist. Dream on old man. You believe your own fantasies and presumptions more than Truth anyway.