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E2D2
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6/17/2015 8:36:13 AM
Posted: 1 year ago
Matthew 11:25 At that time Jesus answered and said, I thank thee, O Father, Lord of heaven and earth, because thou hast hid these things from the wise and prudent, and hast revealed them unto babes.

Who was Jesus referring to when he spoke about the Father, the Lord of heaven and earth?

Christians tell me that Jesus was the Lord of heaven and earth.

Is Jesus the Lord of heaven and earth or is the Father the Lord of heaven and earth?
JJ50
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6/17/2015 8:41:38 AM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 6/17/2015 8:36:13 AM, E2D2 wrote:
Matthew 11:25 At that time Jesus answered and said, I thank thee, O Father, Lord of heaven and earth, because thou hast hid these things from the wise and prudent, and hast revealed them unto babes.

Who was Jesus referring to when he spoke about the Father, the Lord of heaven and earth?

Christians tell me that Jesus was the Lord of heaven and earth.

Is Jesus the Lord of heaven and earth or is the Father the Lord of heaven and earth?

Neither. In my opinion, there is no deity and no afterlife, there is not a shred of evidence to supporting their existence
E2D2
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6/17/2015 8:52:22 AM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 6/17/2015 8:41:38 AM, JJ50 wrote:
At 6/17/2015 8:36:13 AM, E2D2 wrote:
Matthew 11:25 At that time Jesus answered and said, I thank thee, O Father, Lord of heaven and earth, because thou hast hid these things from the wise and prudent, and hast revealed them unto babes.

Who was Jesus referring to when he spoke about the Father, the Lord of heaven and earth?

Christians tell me that Jesus was the Lord of heaven and earth.

Is Jesus the Lord of heaven and earth or is the Father the Lord of heaven and earth?

Neither. In my opinion, there is no deity and no afterlife, there is not a shred of evidence to supporting their existence

Why would a Bible exist if there is no Father or Jesus?
slo1
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6/17/2015 9:03:20 AM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 6/17/2015 8:36:13 AM, E2D2 wrote:
Matthew 11:25 At that time Jesus answered and said, I thank thee, O Father, Lord of heaven and earth, because thou hast hid these things from the wise and prudent, and hast revealed them unto babes.

Who was Jesus referring to when he spoke about the Father, the Lord of heaven and earth?

Christians tell me that Jesus was the Lord of heaven and earth.

Is Jesus the Lord of heaven and earth or is the Father the Lord of heaven and earth?

Even a better question is why the Lord of heaven and earth hiding stuff from wise and prudent people but revealing stuff to simpletons and babes?
E2D2
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6/17/2015 9:08:53 AM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 6/17/2015 9:03:20 AM, slo1 wrote:
At 6/17/2015 8:36:13 AM, E2D2 wrote:
Matthew 11:25 At that time Jesus answered and said, I thank thee, O Father, Lord of heaven and earth, because thou hast hid these things from the wise and prudent, and hast revealed them unto babes.

Who was Jesus referring to when he spoke about the Father, the Lord of heaven and earth?

Christians tell me that Jesus was the Lord of heaven and earth.

Is Jesus the Lord of heaven and earth or is the Father the Lord of heaven and earth?

Even a better question is why the Lord of heaven and earth hiding stuff from wise and prudent people but revealing stuff to simpletons and babes?

That is a good question. Are you suggesting that you are a wise and prudent person?
slo1
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6/17/2015 9:14:05 AM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 6/17/2015 8:36:13 AM, E2D2 wrote:
Matthew 11:25 At that time Jesus answered and said, I thank thee, O Father, Lord of heaven and earth, because thou hast hid these things from the wise and prudent, and hast revealed them unto babes.

Who was Jesus referring to when he spoke about the Father, the Lord of heaven and earth?

Christians tell me that Jesus was the Lord of heaven and earth.

Is Jesus the Lord of heaven and earth or is the Father the Lord of heaven and earth?

The other item is that you have to take this in context. What does heaven and earth mean? Just in Matthew 11:12 this is written:

Matthew 11:12New International Version (NIV)

12 From the days of John the Baptist until now, the kingdom of heaven has been subjected to violence,[a] and violent people have been raiding it.

Most would tend to interpret the kingdom of heaven the ministry rather than the actual concept of heaven by the above passage. Who is the father of the ministry on earth? Jesus.
annanicole
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6/17/2015 9:20:36 AM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 6/17/2015 8:36:13 AM, E2D2 wrote:
Matthew 11:25 At that time Jesus answered and said, I thank thee, O Father, Lord of heaven and earth, because thou hast hid these things from the wise and prudent, and hast revealed them unto babes.

Who was Jesus referring to when he spoke about the Father, the Lord of heaven and earth?

Christians tell me that Jesus was the Lord of heaven and earth.

Is Jesus the Lord of heaven and earth or is the Father the Lord of heaven and earth?

Jesus did not have all authority until after the resurrection. You cited a passage that was spoken well before it.
Madcornishbiker: "No, I don't need a dictionary, I know how scripture uses words and that is all I need to now."
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6/17/2015 9:22:20 AM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 6/17/2015 8:52:22 AM, E2D2 wrote:
At 6/17/2015 8:41:38 AM, JJ50 wrote:
At 6/17/2015 8:36:13 AM, E2D2 wrote:
Matthew 11:25 At that time Jesus answered and said, I thank thee, O Father, Lord of heaven and earth, because thou hast hid these things from the wise and prudent, and hast revealed them unto babes.

Who was Jesus referring to when he spoke about the Father, the Lord of heaven and earth?

Christians tell me that Jesus was the Lord of heaven and earth.

Is Jesus the Lord of heaven and earth or is the Father the Lord of heaven and earth?

Neither. In my opinion, there is no deity and no afterlife, there is not a shred of evidence to supporting their existence

Why would a Bible exist if there is no Father or Jesus?

For the very same reason orcs and trolls don't exist, because books are written by people and not by the fantasy characters they portray.
Marrying a 6 year old and waiting until she reaches puberty and maturity before having consensual sex is better than walking up to
a stranger in a bar and proceeding to have relations with no valid proof of the intent of the person. Muhammad wins. ~ Fatihah
If they don't want to be killed then they have to subdue to the Islamic laws. - Uncung
Without God, you are lower than sh!t. ~ SpiritandTruth
slo1
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6/17/2015 9:23:11 AM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 6/17/2015 9:08:53 AM, E2D2 wrote:
At 6/17/2015 9:03:20 AM, slo1 wrote:
At 6/17/2015 8:36:13 AM, E2D2 wrote:
Matthew 11:25 At that time Jesus answered and said, I thank thee, O Father, Lord of heaven and earth, because thou hast hid these things from the wise and prudent, and hast revealed them unto babes.

Who was Jesus referring to when he spoke about the Father, the Lord of heaven and earth?

Christians tell me that Jesus was the Lord of heaven and earth.

Is Jesus the Lord of heaven and earth or is the Father the Lord of heaven and earth?

Even a better question is why the Lord of heaven and earth hiding stuff from wise and prudent people but revealing stuff to simpletons and babes?

That is a good question. Are you suggesting that you are a wise and prudent person?

I am certainly not revealed to, but that is neither hear nor there. Earlier in Matthew 11, Jesus reprimands a few towns for not believing in his miracles and goes as far to say that had Sodom seen the same thing, they would have believed and would not have been wiped out.

He clearly is stating that non belief is a pathway straight to Hades. One of the most common ways to spot a false prophet is that they make claims that one has to believe in something in order to ether receive a benefit or avoid a punishment.

Clearly Jesus does not fill the prophesy.
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6/17/2015 9:24:10 AM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 6/17/2015 9:14:05 AM, slo1 wrote:
At 6/17/2015 8:36:13 AM, E2D2 wrote:
Matthew 11:25 At that time Jesus answered and said, I thank thee, O Father, Lord of heaven and earth, because thou hast hid these things from the wise and prudent, and hast revealed them unto babes.

Who was Jesus referring to when he spoke about the Father, the Lord of heaven and earth?

Christians tell me that Jesus was the Lord of heaven and earth.

Is Jesus the Lord of heaven and earth or is the Father the Lord of heaven and earth?

The other item is that you have to take this in context. What does heaven and earth mean? Just in Matthew 11:12 this is written:

Matthew 11:12New International Version (NIV)

12 From the days of John the Baptist until now, the kingdom of heaven has been subjected to violence,[a] and violent people have been raiding it.

Most would tend to interpret the kingdom of heaven the ministry rather than the actual concept of heaven by the above passage. Who is the father of the ministry on earth? Jesus.

Are you sure that 'most' would interpret it that way?
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6/17/2015 9:26:34 AM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 6/17/2015 9:20:36 AM, annanicole wrote:
At 6/17/2015 8:36:13 AM, E2D2 wrote:
Matthew 11:25 At that time Jesus answered and said, I thank thee, O Father, Lord of heaven and earth, because thou hast hid these things from the wise and prudent, and hast revealed them unto babes.

Who was Jesus referring to when he spoke about the Father, the Lord of heaven and earth?

Christians tell me that Jesus was the Lord of heaven and earth.

Is Jesus the Lord of heaven and earth or is the Father the Lord of heaven and earth?

Jesus did not have all authority until after the resurrection. You cited a passage that was spoken well before it.

Did Jesus know he would have all authority after his resurrection?
annanicole
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6/17/2015 9:28:30 AM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 6/17/2015 9:26:34 AM, E2D2 wrote:
At 6/17/2015 9:20:36 AM, annanicole wrote:
At 6/17/2015 8:36:13 AM, E2D2 wrote:
Matthew 11:25 At that time Jesus answered and said, I thank thee, O Father, Lord of heaven and earth, because thou hast hid these things from the wise and prudent, and hast revealed them unto babes.

Who was Jesus referring to when he spoke about the Father, the Lord of heaven and earth?

Christians tell me that Jesus was the Lord of heaven and earth.

Is Jesus the Lord of heaven and earth or is the Father the Lord of heaven and earth?

Jesus did not have all authority until after the resurrection. You cited a passage that was spoken well before it.

Did Jesus know he would have all authority after his resurrection?

How would I know? I do not typically engage in idle guesses. I do know that you cited a passage that was spoken before Jesus was granted all authority and also spoken before the kingdom of Jesus Christ was established.
Madcornishbiker: "No, I don't need a dictionary, I know how scripture uses words and that is all I need to now."
E2D2
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6/17/2015 9:28:50 AM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 6/17/2015 9:22:20 AM, DanneJeRusse wrote:
At 6/17/2015 8:52:22 AM, E2D2 wrote:
At 6/17/2015 8:41:38 AM, JJ50 wrote:
At 6/17/2015 8:36:13 AM, E2D2 wrote:
Matthew 11:25 At that time Jesus answered and said, I thank thee, O Father, Lord of heaven and earth, because thou hast hid these things from the wise and prudent, and hast revealed them unto babes.

Who was Jesus referring to when he spoke about the Father, the Lord of heaven and earth?

Christians tell me that Jesus was the Lord of heaven and earth.

Is Jesus the Lord of heaven and earth or is the Father the Lord of heaven and earth?

Neither. In my opinion, there is no deity and no afterlife, there is not a shred of evidence to supporting their existence

Why would a Bible exist if there is no Father or Jesus?

For the very same reason orcs and trolls don't exist, because books are written by people and not by the fantasy characters they portray.

Of course books are written by people. Did you think they were written by orcs and trolls?
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6/17/2015 9:31:58 AM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 6/17/2015 9:23:11 AM, slo1 wrote:
At 6/17/2015 9:08:53 AM, E2D2 wrote:
At 6/17/2015 9:03:20 AM, slo1 wrote:
At 6/17/2015 8:36:13 AM, E2D2 wrote:
Matthew 11:25 At that time Jesus answered and said, I thank thee, O Father, Lord of heaven and earth, because thou hast hid these things from the wise and prudent, and hast revealed them unto babes.

Who was Jesus referring to when he spoke about the Father, the Lord of heaven and earth?

Christians tell me that Jesus was the Lord of heaven and earth.

Is Jesus the Lord of heaven and earth or is the Father the Lord of heaven and earth?

Even a better question is why the Lord of heaven and earth hiding stuff from wise and prudent people but revealing stuff to simpletons and babes?

That is a good question. Are you suggesting that you are a wise and prudent person?

I am certainly not revealed to, but that is neither hear nor there. Earlier in Matthew 11, Jesus reprimands a few towns for not believing in his miracles and goes as far to say that had Sodom seen the same thing, they would have believed and would not have been wiped out.

He clearly is stating that non belief is a pathway straight to Hades. One of the most common ways to spot a false prophet is that they make claims that one has to believe in something in order to ether receive a benefit or avoid a punishment.

Clearly Jesus does not fill the prophesy.

Do you believe the stories of the Bible as being accurate and true?
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6/17/2015 9:34:33 AM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 6/17/2015 9:28:30 AM, annanicole wrote:
At 6/17/2015 9:26:34 AM, E2D2 wrote:
At 6/17/2015 9:20:36 AM, annanicole wrote:
At 6/17/2015 8:36:13 AM, E2D2 wrote:
Matthew 11:25 At that time Jesus answered and said, I thank thee, O Father, Lord of heaven and earth, because thou hast hid these things from the wise and prudent, and hast revealed them unto babes.

Who was Jesus referring to when he spoke about the Father, the Lord of heaven and earth?

Christians tell me that Jesus was the Lord of heaven and earth.

Is Jesus the Lord of heaven and earth or is the Father the Lord of heaven and earth?

Jesus did not have all authority until after the resurrection. You cited a passage that was spoken well before it.

Did Jesus know he would have all authority after his resurrection?

How would I know? I do not typically engage in idle guesses. I do know that you cited a passage that was spoken before Jesus was granted all authority and also spoken before the kingdom of Jesus Christ was established.

Where does the authority come from?
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6/17/2015 9:35:16 AM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 6/17/2015 9:24:10 AM, E2D2 wrote:
At 6/17/2015 9:14:05 AM, slo1 wrote:
At 6/17/2015 8:36:13 AM, E2D2 wrote:
Matthew 11:25 At that time Jesus answered and said, I thank thee, O Father, Lord of heaven and earth, because thou hast hid these things from the wise and prudent, and hast revealed them unto babes.

Who was Jesus referring to when he spoke about the Father, the Lord of heaven and earth?

Christians tell me that Jesus was the Lord of heaven and earth.

Is Jesus the Lord of heaven and earth or is the Father the Lord of heaven and earth?

The other item is that you have to take this in context. What does heaven and earth mean? Just in Matthew 11:12 this is written:

Matthew 11:12New International Version (NIV)

12 From the days of John the Baptist until now, the kingdom of heaven has been subjected to violence,[a] and violent people have been raiding it.

Most would tend to interpret the kingdom of heaven the ministry rather than the actual concept of heaven by the above passage. Who is the father of the ministry on earth? Jesus.

Are you sure that 'most' would interpret it that way?

Would you have me believe that there were violent people raiding heaven (the place were God lives). Who where those violent people who could even get to such a place and why was it for such a short duration from John the Baptist unit that point in time Jesus was speaking?

What is your interpretation?
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6/17/2015 9:40:45 AM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 6/17/2015 9:35:16 AM, slo1 wrote:
At 6/17/2015 9:24:10 AM, E2D2 wrote:
At 6/17/2015 9:14:05 AM, slo1 wrote:
At 6/17/2015 8:36:13 AM, E2D2 wrote:
Matthew 11:25 At that time Jesus answered and said, I thank thee, O Father, Lord of heaven and earth, because thou hast hid these things from the wise and prudent, and hast revealed them unto babes.

Who was Jesus referring to when he spoke about the Father, the Lord of heaven and earth?

Christians tell me that Jesus was the Lord of heaven and earth.

Is Jesus the Lord of heaven and earth or is the Father the Lord of heaven and earth?

The other item is that you have to take this in context. What does heaven and earth mean? Just in Matthew 11:12 this is written:

Matthew 11:12New International Version (NIV)

12 From the days of John the Baptist until now, the kingdom of heaven has been subjected to violence,[a] and violent people have been raiding it.

Most would tend to interpret the kingdom of heaven the ministry rather than the actual concept of heaven by the above passage. Who is the father of the ministry on earth? Jesus.

Are you sure that 'most' would interpret it that way?

Would you have me believe that there were violent people raiding heaven (the place were God lives). Who where those violent people who could even get to such a place and why was it for such a short duration from John the Baptist unit that point in time Jesus was speaking?

Why do you believe heaven is a place?

What is your interpretation? : :

I don't believe heaven is a place to go to. I believe heaven and earth co-exist. That would explain why there are violent people raiding heaven.
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6/17/2015 9:42:54 AM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 6/17/2015 9:28:50 AM, E2D2 wrote:
At 6/17/2015 9:22:20 AM, DanneJeRusse wrote:
At 6/17/2015 8:52:22 AM, E2D2 wrote:
At 6/17/2015 8:41:38 AM, JJ50 wrote:
At 6/17/2015 8:36:13 AM, E2D2 wrote:
Matthew 11:25 At that time Jesus answered and said, I thank thee, O Father, Lord of heaven and earth, because thou hast hid these things from the wise and prudent, and hast revealed them unto babes.

Who was Jesus referring to when he spoke about the Father, the Lord of heaven and earth?

Christians tell me that Jesus was the Lord of heaven and earth.

Is Jesus the Lord of heaven and earth or is the Father the Lord of heaven and earth?

Neither. In my opinion, there is no deity and no afterlife, there is not a shred of evidence to supporting their existence

Why would a Bible exist if there is no Father or Jesus?

For the very same reason orcs and trolls don't exist, because books are written by people and not by the fantasy characters they portray.

Of course books are written by people. Did you think they were written by orcs and trolls?

Books are not written by gods, either, which should answer your question as to why the Bible exists, yet there does not appear to be a "Father or Jesus". Understand?
Marrying a 6 year old and waiting until she reaches puberty and maturity before having consensual sex is better than walking up to
a stranger in a bar and proceeding to have relations with no valid proof of the intent of the person. Muhammad wins. ~ Fatihah
If they don't want to be killed then they have to subdue to the Islamic laws. - Uncung
Without God, you are lower than sh!t. ~ SpiritandTruth
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6/17/2015 9:47:57 AM
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At 6/17/2015 9:35:16 AM, slo1 wrote:
At 6/17/2015 9:24:10 AM, E2D2 wrote:
At 6/17/2015 9:14:05 AM, slo1 wrote:
At 6/17/2015 8:36:13 AM, E2D2 wrote:
Matthew 11:25 At that time Jesus answered and said, I thank thee, O Father, Lord of heaven and earth, because thou hast hid these things from the wise and prudent, and hast revealed them unto babes.

Who was Jesus referring to when he spoke about the Father, the Lord of heaven and earth?

Christians tell me that Jesus was the Lord of heaven and earth.

Is Jesus the Lord of heaven and earth or is the Father the Lord of heaven and earth?

The other item is that you have to take this in context. What does heaven and earth mean? Just in Matthew 11:12 this is written:

Matthew 11:12New International Version (NIV)

12 From the days of John the Baptist until now, the kingdom of heaven has been subjected to violence,[a] and violent people have been raiding it.

Most would tend to interpret the kingdom of heaven the ministry rather than the actual concept of heaven by the above passage. Who is the father of the ministry on earth? Jesus.

Are you sure that 'most' would interpret it that way?

Would you have me believe that there were violent people raiding heaven (the place were God lives). Who where those violent people who could even get to such a place and why was it for such a short duration from John the Baptist unit that point in time Jesus was speaking?

What is your interpretation?

No, nobody was "raiding heaven", and the phrase "kingdom of heaven" only very rarely refers to heaven itself. Over-enthusiastic and mistaken men who thought that the kingdom that Christ would establish was similar to other kingdoms of this world sought to force it and force Jesus into rule. They thought that such an action would break them loose from Roman dominion. That's all that amounts to.
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6/17/2015 9:49:19 AM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 6/17/2015 8:52:22 AM, E2D2 wrote:
At 6/17/2015 8:41:38 AM, JJ50 wrote:
At 6/17/2015 8:36:13 AM, E2D2 wrote:
Matthew 11:25 At that time Jesus answered and said, I thank thee, O Father, Lord of heaven and earth, because thou hast hid these things from the wise and prudent, and hast revealed them unto babes.

Who was Jesus referring to when he spoke about the Father, the Lord of heaven and earth?

Christians tell me that Jesus was the Lord of heaven and earth.

Is Jesus the Lord of heaven and earth or is the Father the Lord of heaven and earth?

Neither. In my opinion, there is no deity and no afterlife, there is not a shred of evidence to supporting their existence

Why would a Bible exist if there is no Father or Jesus?

Easily, it is a human construction!
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6/17/2015 9:51:05 AM
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At 6/17/2015 9:42:54 AM, DanneJeRusse wrote:
At 6/17/2015 9:28:50 AM, E2D2 wrote:
At 6/17/2015 9:22:20 AM, DanneJeRusse wrote:
At 6/17/2015 8:52:22 AM, E2D2 wrote:
At 6/17/2015 8:41:38 AM, JJ50 wrote:
At 6/17/2015 8:36:13 AM, E2D2 wrote:
Matthew 11:25 At that time Jesus answered and said, I thank thee, O Father, Lord of heaven and earth, because thou hast hid these things from the wise and prudent, and hast revealed them unto babes.

Who was Jesus referring to when he spoke about the Father, the Lord of heaven and earth?

Christians tell me that Jesus was the Lord of heaven and earth.

Is Jesus the Lord of heaven and earth or is the Father the Lord of heaven and earth?

Neither. In my opinion, there is no deity and no afterlife, there is not a shred of evidence to supporting their existence

Why would a Bible exist if there is no Father or Jesus?

For the very same reason orcs and trolls don't exist, because books are written by people and not by the fantasy characters they portray.

Of course books are written by people. Did you think they were written by orcs and trolls?

Books are not written by gods, either, which should answer your question as to why the Bible exists, yet there does not appear to be a "Father or Jesus". Understand?

Could Father be the God of the universe that Jesus was referring to?
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6/17/2015 9:56:31 AM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 6/17/2015 9:51:05 AM, E2D2 wrote:
At 6/17/2015 9:42:54 AM, DanneJeRusse wrote:
At 6/17/2015 9:28:50 AM, E2D2 wrote:
At 6/17/2015 9:22:20 AM, DanneJeRusse wrote:
At 6/17/2015 8:52:22 AM, E2D2 wrote:
At 6/17/2015 8:41:38 AM, JJ50 wrote:
At 6/17/2015 8:36:13 AM, E2D2 wrote:
Matthew 11:25 At that time Jesus answered and said, I thank thee, O Father, Lord of heaven and earth, because thou hast hid these things from the wise and prudent, and hast revealed them unto babes.

Who was Jesus referring to when he spoke about the Father, the Lord of heaven and earth?

Christians tell me that Jesus was the Lord of heaven and earth.

Is Jesus the Lord of heaven and earth or is the Father the Lord of heaven and earth?

Neither. In my opinion, there is no deity and no afterlife, there is not a shred of evidence to supporting their existence

Why would a Bible exist if there is no Father or Jesus?

For the very same reason orcs and trolls don't exist, because books are written by people and not by the fantasy characters they portray.

Of course books are written by people. Did you think they were written by orcs and trolls?

Books are not written by gods, either, which should answer your question as to why the Bible exists, yet there does not appear to be a "Father or Jesus". Understand?

Could Father be the God of the universe that Jesus was referring to?

No, the universe was sneezed out of the nose of a giant lizard called the Great Green Arkleseizure. Perhaps, Jesus was referring to the coming of the Great White Handkerchief.
Marrying a 6 year old and waiting until she reaches puberty and maturity before having consensual sex is better than walking up to
a stranger in a bar and proceeding to have relations with no valid proof of the intent of the person. Muhammad wins. ~ Fatihah
If they don't want to be killed then they have to subdue to the Islamic laws. - Uncung
Without God, you are lower than sh!t. ~ SpiritandTruth
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6/17/2015 9:58:09 AM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 6/17/2015 9:49:19 AM, JJ50 wrote:
At 6/17/2015 8:52:22 AM, E2D2 wrote:
At 6/17/2015 8:41:38 AM, JJ50 wrote:
At 6/17/2015 8:36:13 AM, E2D2 wrote:
Matthew 11:25 At that time Jesus answered and said, I thank thee, O Father, Lord of heaven and earth, because thou hast hid these things from the wise and prudent, and hast revealed them unto babes.

Who was Jesus referring to when he spoke about the Father, the Lord of heaven and earth?

Christians tell me that Jesus was the Lord of heaven and earth.

Is Jesus the Lord of heaven and earth or is the Father the Lord of heaven and earth?

Neither. In my opinion, there is no deity and no afterlife, there is not a shred of evidence to supporting their existence

Why would a Bible exist if there is no Father or Jesus?

Easily, it is a human construction! : :

I don't believe it's so easy to determine why there were so many authors writing about God that ended up in a Bible. The Bible didn't exist until thousands of years after the first prophets started writing about God.
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6/17/2015 10:04:11 AM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 6/17/2015 9:56:31 AM, DanneJeRusse wrote:
At 6/17/2015 9:51:05 AM, E2D2 wrote:
At 6/17/2015 9:42:54 AM, DanneJeRusse wrote:
At 6/17/2015 9:28:50 AM, E2D2 wrote:
At 6/17/2015 9:22:20 AM, DanneJeRusse wrote:
At 6/17/2015 8:52:22 AM, E2D2 wrote:
At 6/17/2015 8:41:38 AM, JJ50 wrote:
At 6/17/2015 8:36:13 AM, E2D2 wrote:
Matthew 11:25 At that time Jesus answered and said, I thank thee, O Father, Lord of heaven and earth, because thou hast hid these things from the wise and prudent, and hast revealed them unto babes.

Who was Jesus referring to when he spoke about the Father, the Lord of heaven and earth?

Christians tell me that Jesus was the Lord of heaven and earth.

Is Jesus the Lord of heaven and earth or is the Father the Lord of heaven and earth?

Neither. In my opinion, there is no deity and no afterlife, there is not a shred of evidence to supporting their existence

Why would a Bible exist if there is no Father or Jesus?

For the very same reason orcs and trolls don't exist, because books are written by people and not by the fantasy characters they portray.

Of course books are written by people. Did you think they were written by orcs and trolls?

Books are not written by gods, either, which should answer your question as to why the Bible exists, yet there does not appear to be a "Father or Jesus". Understand?

Could Father be the God of the universe that Jesus was referring to?

No, the universe was sneezed out of the nose of a giant lizard called the Great Green Arkleseizure. Perhaps, Jesus was referring to the coming of the Great White Handkerchief.

You make about as much sense as religious people do when interpreting their holy books.
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6/17/2015 10:13:03 AM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 6/17/2015 10:04:11 AM, E2D2 wrote:
At 6/17/2015 9:56:31 AM, DanneJeRusse wrote:
At 6/17/2015 9:51:05 AM, E2D2 wrote:
At 6/17/2015 9:42:54 AM, DanneJeRusse wrote:
At 6/17/2015 9:28:50 AM, E2D2 wrote:
At 6/17/2015 9:22:20 AM, DanneJeRusse wrote:
At 6/17/2015 8:52:22 AM, E2D2 wrote:
At 6/17/2015 8:41:38 AM, JJ50 wrote:
At 6/17/2015 8:36:13 AM, E2D2 wrote:
Matthew 11:25 At that time Jesus answered and said, I thank thee, O Father, Lord of heaven and earth, because thou hast hid these things from the wise and prudent, and hast revealed them unto babes.

Who was Jesus referring to when he spoke about the Father, the Lord of heaven and earth?

Christians tell me that Jesus was the Lord of heaven and earth.

Is Jesus the Lord of heaven and earth or is the Father the Lord of heaven and earth?

Neither. In my opinion, there is no deity and no afterlife, there is not a shred of evidence to supporting their existence

Why would a Bible exist if there is no Father or Jesus?

For the very same reason orcs and trolls don't exist, because books are written by people and not by the fantasy characters they portray.

Of course books are written by people. Did you think they were written by orcs and trolls?

Books are not written by gods, either, which should answer your question as to why the Bible exists, yet there does not appear to be a "Father or Jesus". Understand?

Could Father be the God of the universe that Jesus was referring to?

No, the universe was sneezed out of the nose of a giant lizard called the Great Green Arkleseizure. Perhaps, Jesus was referring to the coming of the Great White Handkerchief.

You make about as much sense as religious people do when interpreting their holy books.

Exactly.
Marrying a 6 year old and waiting until she reaches puberty and maturity before having consensual sex is better than walking up to
a stranger in a bar and proceeding to have relations with no valid proof of the intent of the person. Muhammad wins. ~ Fatihah
If they don't want to be killed then they have to subdue to the Islamic laws. - Uncung
Without God, you are lower than sh!t. ~ SpiritandTruth
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6/17/2015 10:19:07 AM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 6/17/2015 10:13:03 AM, DanneJeRusse wrote:
At 6/17/2015 10:04:11 AM, E2D2 wrote:
At 6/17/2015 9:56:31 AM, DanneJeRusse wrote:
At 6/17/2015 9:51:05 AM, E2D2 wrote:
At 6/17/2015 9:42:54 AM, DanneJeRusse wrote:
At 6/17/2015 9:28:50 AM, E2D2 wrote:
At 6/17/2015 9:22:20 AM, DanneJeRusse wrote:
At 6/17/2015 8:52:22 AM, E2D2 wrote:
At 6/17/2015 8:41:38 AM, JJ50 wrote:
At 6/17/2015 8:36:13 AM, E2D2 wrote:
Matthew 11:25 At that time Jesus answered and said, I thank thee, O Father, Lord of heaven and earth, because thou hast hid these things from the wise and prudent, and hast revealed them unto babes.

Who was Jesus referring to when he spoke about the Father, the Lord of heaven and earth?

Christians tell me that Jesus was the Lord of heaven and earth.

Is Jesus the Lord of heaven and earth or is the Father the Lord of heaven and earth?

Neither. In my opinion, there is no deity and no afterlife, there is not a shred of evidence to supporting their existence

Why would a Bible exist if there is no Father or Jesus?

For the very same reason orcs and trolls don't exist, because books are written by people and not by the fantasy characters they portray.

Of course books are written by people. Did you think they were written by orcs and trolls?

Books are not written by gods, either, which should answer your question as to why the Bible exists, yet there does not appear to be a "Father or Jesus". Understand?

Could Father be the God of the universe that Jesus was referring to?

No, the universe was sneezed out of the nose of a giant lizard called the Great Green Arkleseizure. Perhaps, Jesus was referring to the coming of the Great White Handkerchief.

You make about as much sense as religious people do when interpreting their holy books.

Exactly.

Interpreting the ideas in any book is left up to the reader unless the author of the book is available to discuss those ideas with the reader.
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6/17/2015 10:29:17 AM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 6/17/2015 10:19:07 AM, E2D2 wrote:
At 6/17/2015 10:13:03 AM, DanneJeRusse wrote:
At 6/17/2015 10:04:11 AM, E2D2 wrote:
At 6/17/2015 9:56:31 AM, DanneJeRusse wrote:
At 6/17/2015 9:51:05 AM, E2D2 wrote:
At 6/17/2015 9:42:54 AM, DanneJeRusse wrote:
At 6/17/2015 9:28:50 AM, E2D2 wrote:
At 6/17/2015 9:22:20 AM, DanneJeRusse wrote:
At 6/17/2015 8:52:22 AM, E2D2 wrote:
At 6/17/2015 8:41:38 AM, JJ50 wrote:
At 6/17/2015 8:36:13 AM, E2D2 wrote:
Matthew 11:25 At that time Jesus answered and said, I thank thee, O Father, Lord of heaven and earth, because thou hast hid these things from the wise and prudent, and hast revealed them unto babes.

Who was Jesus referring to when he spoke about the Father, the Lord of heaven and earth?

Christians tell me that Jesus was the Lord of heaven and earth.

Is Jesus the Lord of heaven and earth or is the Father the Lord of heaven and earth?

Neither. In my opinion, there is no deity and no afterlife, there is not a shred of evidence to supporting their existence

Why would a Bible exist if there is no Father or Jesus?

For the very same reason orcs and trolls don't exist, because books are written by people and not by the fantasy characters they portray.

Of course books are written by people. Did you think they were written by orcs and trolls?

Books are not written by gods, either, which should answer your question as to why the Bible exists, yet there does not appear to be a "Father or Jesus". Understand?

Could Father be the God of the universe that Jesus was referring to?

No, the universe was sneezed out of the nose of a giant lizard called the Great Green Arkleseizure. Perhaps, Jesus was referring to the coming of the Great White Handkerchief.

You make about as much sense as religious people do when interpreting their holy books.

Exactly.

Interpreting the ideas in any book is left up to the reader unless the author of the book is available to discuss those ideas with the reader.

Not true, a book could be quite concise and accurate in it's content, not requiring any discussion with it's author.
Marrying a 6 year old and waiting until she reaches puberty and maturity before having consensual sex is better than walking up to
a stranger in a bar and proceeding to have relations with no valid proof of the intent of the person. Muhammad wins. ~ Fatihah
If they don't want to be killed then they have to subdue to the Islamic laws. - Uncung
Without God, you are lower than sh!t. ~ SpiritandTruth
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6/17/2015 10:46:47 AM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 6/17/2015 10:29:17 AM, DanneJeRusse wrote:
At 6/17/2015 10:19:07 AM, E2D2 wrote:
At 6/17/2015 10:13:03 AM, DanneJeRusse wrote:
At 6/17/2015 10:04:11 AM, E2D2 wrote:
At 6/17/2015 9:56:31 AM, DanneJeRusse wrote:
At 6/17/2015 9:51:05 AM, E2D2 wrote:
At 6/17/2015 9:42:54 AM, DanneJeRusse wrote:
At 6/17/2015 9:28:50 AM, E2D2 wrote:
At 6/17/2015 9:22:20 AM, DanneJeRusse wrote:
At 6/17/2015 8:52:22 AM, E2D2 wrote:
At 6/17/2015 8:41:38 AM, JJ50 wrote:
At 6/17/2015 8:36:13 AM, E2D2 wrote:
Matthew 11:25 At that time Jesus answered and said, I thank thee, O Father, Lord of heaven and earth, because thou hast hid these things from the wise and prudent, and hast revealed them unto babes.

Who was Jesus referring to when he spoke about the Father, the Lord of heaven and earth?

Christians tell me that Jesus was the Lord of heaven and earth.

Is Jesus the Lord of heaven and earth or is the Father the Lord of heaven and earth?

Neither. In my opinion, there is no deity and no afterlife, there is not a shred of evidence to supporting their existence

Why would a Bible exist if there is no Father or Jesus?

For the very same reason orcs and trolls don't exist, because books are written by people and not by the fantasy characters they portray.

Of course books are written by people. Did you think they were written by orcs and trolls?

Books are not written by gods, either, which should answer your question as to why the Bible exists, yet there does not appear to be a "Father or Jesus". Understand?

Could Father be the God of the universe that Jesus was referring to?

No, the universe was sneezed out of the nose of a giant lizard called the Great Green Arkleseizure. Perhaps, Jesus was referring to the coming of the Great White Handkerchief.

You make about as much sense as religious people do when interpreting their holy books.

Exactly.

Interpreting the ideas in any book is left up to the reader unless the author of the book is available to discuss those ideas with the reader.

Not true, a book could be quite concise and accurate in it's content, not requiring any discussion with it's author.

The author of any book has intentions that the reader doesn't know about unless it is known by the reader beforehand. Once you get to know the author, then the book can be interpreted in the right way. The intentions of many authors are only to make a living.