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ironslippers
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6/18/2015 5:47:32 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
I believe there are Religious Intellectuals and I've got a couple questions for them.
1.
What do you think of the brethren that make you look simple?
2.
Couldn't you create a religion that is idiot proof?

Me? if there is a God, it's not me.
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6/18/2015 7:58:22 PM
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I don"t know? I mean it"s difficult to know what to say without knowing what the score is, but I"ll do my best to confabulate something while trying not to embitter your mood any more than what it can handle. It might be too late though; these questions already look too sallow to stand under the sun. Any attempt to enlighten their sickly condition just might make things worse. So let"s consider the risks, suchlike the supercilious perfuming I"m detecting from these questions, because it reminds me of a bottle of cologne I once purchased. It had a sexy picture of Paris Hilton on the packaging so obviously I assumed it would smell like dead carp and vodka. But after opening it and taking a whiff, to my surprise it smell like something natural, like a melon, not the typical industrial toxic crap everyone is all too familiar with. So maybe there"s some hope for your questions after all.
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6/18/2015 8:33:01 PM
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At 6/18/2015 7:58:22 PM, Serato wrote:
I don"t know? I mean it"s difficult to know what to say without knowing what the score is, but I"ll do my best to confabulate something while trying not to embitter your mood any more than what it can handle. It might be too late though; these questions already look too sallow to stand under the sun. Any attempt to enlighten their sickly condition just might make things worse. So let"s consider the risks, suchlike the supercilious perfuming I"m detecting from these questions, because it reminds me of a bottle of cologne I once purchased. It had a sexy picture of Paris Hilton on the packaging so obviously I assumed it would smell like dead carp and vodka. But after opening it and taking a whiff, to my surprise it smell like something natural, like a melon, not the typical industrial toxic crap everyone is all too familiar with. So maybe there"s some hope for your questions after all.

That is a religion I could tithe to.
Everyone stands on their own dung hill and speaks out about someone else's - Nathan Krusemark
Its easier to criticize and hate than it is to support and create - I Ron Slippers
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6/18/2015 9:59:47 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 6/18/2015 5:47:32 PM, ironslippers wrote:
I believe there are Religious Intellectuals and I've got a couple questions for them.

Present day, I can't think of any. In the past, how about C.S. Lewis?
1.
What do you think of the brethren that make you look simple?
2.
Couldn't you create a religion that is idiot proof?

Sorry, he can't answer you. He had his own doubts about Christianity.

Me? if there is a God, it's not me.
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6/18/2015 10:20:20 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 6/18/2015 5:47:32 PM, ironslippers wrote:
I believe there are Religious Intellectuals and I've got a couple questions for them.
1.
What do you think of the brethren that make you look simple?
2.
Couldn't you create a religion that is idiot proof?

Me? if there is a God, it's not me.

Yes and no ... Spiritual intellectual would be more proper to make it a yes ... Reza Aslan considers himself a religious intellectual ... and, he even concluded everything is metaphor and allegories. Anyone with a brain can see religion is literature, fiction, just like a comic book ... just less interesting and creative. And duh? they were written a few days ago weren't they?
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6/18/2015 10:26:51 PM
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Nobody except

PART I. Nobel Scientists (20-21 Century)

Albert EinsteinNobel Laureate in PhysicsJewish
Max PlanckNobel Laureate in PhysicsProtestant
Erwin SchrodingerNobel Laureate in PhysicsCatholic
Werner HeisenbergNobel Laureate in PhysicsLutheran

PART II. Nobel Writers (20-21 Century)

T.S. EliotNobel Laureate in LiteratureAnglo-Catholic (Anglican)
Rudyard KiplingNobel Laureate in LiteratureAnglican
Alexander SolzhenitsynNobel Laureate in LiteratureRussian Orthodox
Fran"ois MauriacNobel Laureate in LiteratureCatholic
Hermann HesseNobel Laureate in LiteratureChristian; Buddhist?
Winston ChurchillNobel Laureate in LiteratureAnglican
Jean-Paul SartreNobel Laureate in Literature

PART III. Nobel Peace Laureates (20-21 Century)
Albert SchweitzerNobel Peace Prize LaureateLutheran
Jimmy CarterNobel Peace Prize LaureateBaptist (former Southern Baptist)
Theodore RooseveltNobel Peace Prize LaureateDutch Reformed; Episcopalian
Woodrow WilsonNobel Peace Prize LaureatePresbyterian

Part IV. Founders of Modern Science (16-21 Century)
Isaac NewtonFounder of Classical Physics and Infinitesimal CalculusAnglican
Galileo GalileiFounder of Experimental PhysicsCatholic
Nicolaus CopernicusFounder of Heliocentric CosmologyCatholic (priest)
Johannes KeplerFounder of Physical Astronomy and Modern OpticsLutheran
Francis BaconFounder of the Scientific Inductive MethodAnglican
Ren" DescartesFounder of Analytical Geometry and Modern PhilosophyCatholic
Blaise PascalFounder of Hydrostatics, Hydrodynamics,
and the Theory of ProbabilitiesJansenist
Michael FaradayFounder of Electronics and Electro-MagneticsSandemanian
James Clerk MaxwellFounder of Statistical ThermodynamicsPresbyterian; Anglican; Baptist
Lord KelvinFounder of Thermodynamics and EnergeticsAnglican
Robert BoyleFounder of Modern ChemistryAnglican
William HarveyFounder of Modern MedicineAnglican (nominal)
John RayFounder of Modern Biology and Natural HistoryCalvinist (denomination?)
Gottfried Wilhelm LeibnizGerman Mathematician and Philosopher,
Founder of Infinitesimal Calculus

Part V. Great Philosophers (17-21 Century)
Immanuel KantOne of the Greatest Philosophers
in the History of Western PhilosophyLutheran
Jean-Jacques RousseauFounder of Modern Deismborn Protestant;
converted as a teen to Catholic
VoltaireFrench Philosopher and Historian,
One of the Most Influential Thinkers of the Enlightenmentraised in Jansenism
David HumeScottish Empiricist Philosopher, Historian, and Economist,
Founder of Modern SkepticismChurch of Scotland (Presbyterian)
SpinozaDutch-Jewish Philosopher,
the Chief Exponent of Modern RationalismJudaism; later pantheism/deism
Giordano BrunoItalian Philosopher, Astronomer, and Mathematician,
Founder of the Theory of the Infinite UniverseCatholic
George BerkeleyIrish Philosopher and Mathematician, Founder of Modern Idealism,
celestialtorahteacher
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6/18/2015 10:27:59 PM
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I've got an intellect and I work for God and the Spirit of Christ using my intelligence while most Christians I know do not question their religious beliefs, only obey the traditional instructors of their beliefs. It's always been that way though, people with brains are never in the majority which is why we have leaders supposedly. To lead the less bright to better society by right guidance. It is the historical biological role of smarter people.

In the past religious leadership concentrated on promoting blind faith in traditional Scriptures of ancient men but that's not effective anymore as our modern world doesn't "fit" the ancient religious paradigms and social expectations. We can see this in the way ISIS fanatics are viewed in our times when in more ancient times they would be seen as "normal" religious leaders, the oriental despotism invisible to them and this was the way Christians behaved too.

But this type of politicized religion isn't of God and won't last in our times of internet news dispersion. The intellectual heads of ISIS are cut off as they are in Zionist Judaism and Evangelical Pauline Christianity.

The intelligence of Christianity has moved to Celestial Torah Christianity while the traditional beliefs fall to either historical discovery of fraudulent roots or to moral inappropriateness, e.g. Abrahamic male priesthood warfare against women in religion.
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6/18/2015 10:28:51 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 6/18/2015 10:26:51 PM, Benshapiro wrote:
Nobody except

PART I. Nobel Scientists (20-21 Century)

Albert EinsteinNobel Laureate in PhysicsJewish
Max PlanckNobel Laureate in PhysicsProtestant
Erwin SchrodingerNobel Laureate in PhysicsCatholic
Werner HeisenbergNobel Laureate in PhysicsLutheran

PART II. Nobel Writers (20-21 Century)

T.S. EliotNobel Laureate in LiteratureAnglo-Catholic (Anglican)
Rudyard KiplingNobel Laureate in LiteratureAnglican
Alexander SolzhenitsynNobel Laureate in LiteratureRussian Orthodox
Fran"ois MauriacNobel Laureate in LiteratureCatholic
Hermann HesseNobel Laureate in LiteratureChristian; Buddhist?
Winston ChurchillNobel Laureate in LiteratureAnglican
Jean-Paul SartreNobel Laureate in Literature

PART III. Nobel Peace Laureates (20-21 Century)
Albert SchweitzerNobel Peace Prize LaureateLutheran
Jimmy CarterNobel Peace Prize LaureateBaptist (former Southern Baptist)
Theodore RooseveltNobel Peace Prize LaureateDutch Reformed; Episcopalian
Woodrow WilsonNobel Peace Prize LaureatePresbyterian

Part IV. Founders of Modern Science (16-21 Century)
Isaac NewtonFounder of Classical Physics and Infinitesimal CalculusAnglican
Galileo GalileiFounder of Experimental PhysicsCatholic
Nicolaus CopernicusFounder of Heliocentric CosmologyCatholic (priest)
Johannes KeplerFounder of Physical Astronomy and Modern OpticsLutheran
Francis BaconFounder of the Scientific Inductive MethodAnglican
Ren" DescartesFounder of Analytical Geometry and Modern PhilosophyCatholic
Blaise PascalFounder of Hydrostatics, Hydrodynamics,
and the Theory of ProbabilitiesJansenist
Michael FaradayFounder of Electronics and Electro-MagneticsSandemanian
James Clerk MaxwellFounder of Statistical ThermodynamicsPresbyterian; Anglican; Baptist
Lord KelvinFounder of Thermodynamics and EnergeticsAnglican
Robert BoyleFounder of Modern ChemistryAnglican
William HarveyFounder of Modern MedicineAnglican (nominal)
John RayFounder of Modern Biology and Natural HistoryCalvinist (denomination?)
Gottfried Wilhelm LeibnizGerman Mathematician and Philosopher,
Founder of Infinitesimal Calculus

Part V. Great Philosophers (17-21 Century)
Immanuel KantOne of the Greatest Philosophers
in the History of Western PhilosophyLutheran
Jean-Jacques RousseauFounder of Modern Deismborn Protestant;
converted as a teen to Catholic
VoltaireFrench Philosopher and Historian,
One of the Most Influential Thinkers of the Enlightenmentraised in Jansenism
David HumeScottish Empiricist Philosopher, Historian, and Economist,
Founder of Modern SkepticismChurch of Scotland (Presbyterian)
SpinozaDutch-Jewish Philosopher,
the Chief Exponent of Modern RationalismJudaism; later pantheism/deism
Giordano BrunoItalian Philosopher, Astronomer, and Mathematician,
Founder of the Theory of the Infinite UniverseCatholic
George BerkeleyIrish Philosopher and Mathematician, Founder of Modern Idealism,

Source*
http://www.adherents.com...
dee-em
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6/19/2015 6:48:50 AM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 6/18/2015 10:26:51 PM, Benshapiro wrote:
Nobody except

PART I. Nobel Scientists (20-21 Century)

Albert EinsteinNobel Laureate in PhysicsJewish
Max PlanckNobel Laureate in PhysicsProtestant
Erwin SchrodingerNobel Laureate in PhysicsCatholic
Werner HeisenbergNobel Laureate in PhysicsLutheran

PART II. Nobel Writers (20-21 Century)

T.S. EliotNobel Laureate in LiteratureAnglo-Catholic (Anglican)
Rudyard KiplingNobel Laureate in LiteratureAnglican
Alexander SolzhenitsynNobel Laureate in LiteratureRussian Orthodox
Fran"ois MauriacNobel Laureate in LiteratureCatholic
Hermann HesseNobel Laureate in LiteratureChristian; Buddhist?
Winston ChurchillNobel Laureate in LiteratureAnglican
Jean-Paul SartreNobel Laureate in Literature

PART III. Nobel Peace Laureates (20-21 Century)
Albert SchweitzerNobel Peace Prize LaureateLutheran
Jimmy CarterNobel Peace Prize LaureateBaptist (former Southern Baptist)
Theodore RooseveltNobel Peace Prize LaureateDutch Reformed; Episcopalian
Woodrow WilsonNobel Peace Prize LaureatePresbyterian

Part IV. Founders of Modern Science (16-21 Century)
Isaac NewtonFounder of Classical Physics and Infinitesimal CalculusAnglican
Galileo GalileiFounder of Experimental PhysicsCatholic
Nicolaus CopernicusFounder of Heliocentric CosmologyCatholic (priest)
Johannes KeplerFounder of Physical Astronomy and Modern OpticsLutheran
Francis BaconFounder of the Scientific Inductive MethodAnglican
Ren" DescartesFounder of Analytical Geometry and Modern PhilosophyCatholic
Blaise PascalFounder of Hydrostatics, Hydrodynamics,
and the Theory of ProbabilitiesJansenist
Michael FaradayFounder of Electronics and Electro-MagneticsSandemanian
James Clerk MaxwellFounder of Statistical ThermodynamicsPresbyterian; Anglican; Baptist
Lord KelvinFounder of Thermodynamics and EnergeticsAnglican
Robert BoyleFounder of Modern ChemistryAnglican
William HarveyFounder of Modern MedicineAnglican (nominal)
John RayFounder of Modern Biology and Natural HistoryCalvinist (denomination?)
Gottfried Wilhelm LeibnizGerman Mathematician and Philosopher,
Founder of Infinitesimal Calculus

Part V. Great Philosophers (17-21 Century)
Immanuel KantOne of the Greatest Philosophers
in the History of Western PhilosophyLutheran
Jean-Jacques RousseauFounder of Modern Deismborn Protestant;
converted as a teen to Catholic
VoltaireFrench Philosopher and Historian,
One of the Most Influential Thinkers of the Enlightenmentraised in Jansenism
David HumeScottish Empiricist Philosopher, Historian, and Economist,
Founder of Modern SkepticismChurch of Scotland (Presbyterian)
SpinozaDutch-Jewish Philosopher,
the Chief Exponent of Modern RationalismJudaism; later pantheism/deism
Giordano BrunoItalian Philosopher, Astronomer, and Mathematician,
Founder of the Theory of the Infinite UniverseCatholic
George BerkeleyIrish Philosopher and Mathematician, Founder of Modern Idealism,

Let's take the first name on your list. Albert Einstein was a religious intellectual? Really?
tejretics
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6/19/2015 7:43:01 AM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 6/18/2015 10:26:51 PM, Benshapiro wrote:
Nobody except

PART I. Nobel Scientists (20-21 Century)

Albert EinsteinNobel Laureate in PhysicsJewish

He was an atheist who preferred the term "agnostic".

Max PlanckNobel Laureate in PhysicsProtestant

No, Lutheran.

Erwin SchrodingerNobel Laureate in PhysicsCatholic

According to Moore (1992), p. 4, "He rejected traditional religious beliefs (Jewish, Christian, and Islamic) ... by saying that they are naive. ... He claimed to be an atheist ..."

Werner HeisenbergNobel Laureate in PhysicsLutheran

PART II. Nobel Writers (20-21 Century)

T.S. Eliot Nobel Laureate in Literature Anglo-Catholic (Anglican)
Rudyard KiplingNobel Laureate in LiteratureAnglican
Alexander SolzhenitsynNobel Laureate in LiteratureRussian Orthodox
Fran"ois MauriacNobel Laureate in LiteratureCatholic
Hermann HesseNobel Laureate in LiteratureChristian; Buddhist?
Winston ChurchillNobel Laureate in LiteratureAnglican
Jean-Paul SartreNobel Laureate in Literature

PART III. Nobel Peace Laureates (20-21 Century)
Albert SchweitzerNobel Peace Prize LaureateLutheran
Jimmy CarterNobel Peace Prize LaureateBaptist (former Southern Baptist)
Theodore RooseveltNobel Peace Prize LaureateDutch Reformed; Episcopalian
Woodrow WilsonNobel Peace Prize LaureatePresbyterian

Part IV. Founders of Modern Science (16-21 Century)
Isaac NewtonFounder of Classical Physics and Infinitesimal CalculusAnglican
Galileo GalileiFounder of Experimental PhysicsCatholic
Nicolaus CopernicusFounder of Heliocentric CosmologyCatholic (priest)
Johannes KeplerFounder of Physical Astronomy and Modern OpticsLutheran
Francis BaconFounder of the Scientific Inductive MethodAnglican
Ren" DescartesFounder of Analytical Geometry and Modern PhilosophyCatholic
Blaise PascalFounder of Hydrostatics, Hydrodynamics,
and the Theory of ProbabilitiesJansenist
Michael FaradayFounder of Electronics and Electro-MagneticsSandemanian
James Clerk MaxwellFounder of Statistical ThermodynamicsPresbyterian; Anglican; Baptist
Lord KelvinFounder of Thermodynamics and EnergeticsAnglican
Robert BoyleFounder of Modern ChemistryAnglican
William HarveyFounder of Modern MedicineAnglican (nominal)
John RayFounder of Modern Biology and Natural HistoryCalvinist (denomination?)
Gottfried Wilhelm LeibnizGerman Mathematician and Philosopher,
Founder of Infinitesimal Calculus

Part V. Great Philosophers (17-21 Century)
Immanuel KantOne of the Greatest Philosophers
in the History of Western PhilosophyLutheran
Jean-Jacques RousseauFounder of Modern Deismborn Protestant;
converted as a teen to Catholic
VoltaireFrench Philosopher and Historian,
One of the Most Influential Thinkers of the Enlightenmentraised in Jansenism
David HumeScottish Empiricist Philosopher, Historian, and Economist,
Founder of Modern SkepticismChurch of Scotland (Presbyterian)
SpinozaDutch-Jewish Philosopher,
the Chief Exponent of Modern RationalismJudaism; later pantheism/deism
Giordano BrunoItalian Philosopher, Astronomer, and Mathematician,
Founder of the Theory of the Infinite UniverseCatholic
George BerkeleyIrish Philosopher and Mathematician, Founder of Modern Idealism,

Btw, the C/Ping has given weird spacing. And obviously there are multiple religious intellectuals.
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6/19/2015 8:56:00 AM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 6/19/2015 7:43:01 AM, tejretics wrote:
At 6/18/2015 10:26:51 PM, Benshapiro wrote:
Nobody except

PART I. Nobel Scientists (20-21 Century)

Albert EinsteinNobel Laureate in PhysicsJewish

He was an atheist who preferred the term "agnostic".

He is quoted as saying "I am not an atheist." Einstein is believed to have been a pantheist.
http://www.goodreads.com...

Max PlanckNobel Laureate in PhysicsProtestant

No, Lutheran.

"He was favorable to all religions, but he himself chose Christianity."
http://www.adherents.com...


Erwin SchrodingerNobel Laureate in PhysicsCatholic

According to Moore (1992), p. 4, "He rejected traditional religious beliefs (Jewish, Christian, and Islamic) ... by saying that they are naive. ... He claimed to be an atheist ..."

Werner HeisenbergNobel Laureate in PhysicsLutheran

PART II. Nobel Writers (20-21 Century)

T.S. Eliot Nobel Laureate in Literature Anglo-Catholic (Anglican)
Rudyard KiplingNobel Laureate in LiteratureAnglican
Alexander SolzhenitsynNobel Laureate in LiteratureRussian Orthodox
Fran"ois MauriacNobel Laureate in LiteratureCatholic
Hermann HesseNobel Laureate in LiteratureChristian; Buddhist?
Winston ChurchillNobel Laureate in LiteratureAnglican
Jean-Paul SartreNobel Laureate in Literature

PART III. Nobel Peace Laureates (20-21 Century)
Albert SchweitzerNobel Peace Prize LaureateLutheran
Jimmy CarterNobel Peace Prize LaureateBaptist (former Southern Baptist)
Theodore RooseveltNobel Peace Prize LaureateDutch Reformed; Episcopalian
Woodrow WilsonNobel Peace Prize LaureatePresbyterian

Part IV. Founders of Modern Science (16-21 Century)
Isaac NewtonFounder of Classical Physics and Infinitesimal CalculusAnglican
Galileo GalileiFounder of Experimental PhysicsCatholic
Nicolaus CopernicusFounder of Heliocentric CosmologyCatholic (priest)
Johannes KeplerFounder of Physical Astronomy and Modern OpticsLutheran
Francis BaconFounder of the Scientific Inductive MethodAnglican
Ren" DescartesFounder of Analytical Geometry and Modern PhilosophyCatholic
Blaise PascalFounder of Hydrostatics, Hydrodynamics,
and the Theory of ProbabilitiesJansenist
Michael FaradayFounder of Electronics and Electro-MagneticsSandemanian
James Clerk MaxwellFounder of Statistical ThermodynamicsPresbyterian; Anglican; Baptist
Lord KelvinFounder of Thermodynamics and EnergeticsAnglican
Robert BoyleFounder of Modern ChemistryAnglican
William HarveyFounder of Modern MedicineAnglican (nominal)
John RayFounder of Modern Biology and Natural HistoryCalvinist (denomination?)
Gottfried Wilhelm LeibnizGerman Mathematician and Philosopher,
Founder of Infinitesimal Calculus

Part V. Great Philosophers (17-21 Century)
Immanuel KantOne of the Greatest Philosophers
in the History of Western PhilosophyLutheran
Jean-Jacques RousseauFounder of Modern Deismborn Protestant;
converted as a teen to Catholic
VoltaireFrench Philosopher and Historian,
One of the Most Influential Thinkers of the Enlightenmentraised in Jansenism
David HumeScottish Empiricist Philosopher, Historian, and Economist,
Founder of Modern SkepticismChurch of Scotland (Presbyterian)
SpinozaDutch-Jewish Philosopher,
the Chief Exponent of Modern RationalismJudaism; later pantheism/deism
Giordano BrunoItalian Philosopher, Astronomer, and Mathematician,
Founder of the Theory of the Infinite UniverseCatholic
George BerkeleyIrish Philosopher and Mathematician, Founder of Modern Idealism,

Btw, the C/Ping has given weird spacing. And obviously there are multiple religious intellectuals.

I know it came out weird.
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6/19/2015 8:59:28 AM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 6/18/2015 5:47:32 PM, ironslippers wrote:
I believe there are Religious Intellectuals and I've got a couple questions for them.
1.
What do you think of the brethren that make you look simple?

None exist.

.
Couldn't you create a religion that is idiot proof?

Don't need to create one since its already in existence

Me? if there is a God, it's not me.
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6/19/2015 9:01:57 AM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 6/19/2015 6:48:50 AM, dee-em wrote:
At 6/18/2015 10:26:51 PM, Benshapiro wrote:
Nobody except

PART I. Nobel Scientists (20-21 Century)

Albert EinsteinNobel Laureate in PhysicsJewish
Max PlanckNobel Laureate in PhysicsProtestant
Erwin SchrodingerNobel Laureate in PhysicsCatholic
Werner HeisenbergNobel Laureate in PhysicsLutheran

PART II. Nobel Writers (20-21 Century)

T.S. EliotNobel Laureate in LiteratureAnglo-Catholic (Anglican)
Rudyard KiplingNobel Laureate in LiteratureAnglican
Alexander SolzhenitsynNobel Laureate in LiteratureRussian Orthodox
Fran"ois MauriacNobel Laureate in LiteratureCatholic
Hermann HesseNobel Laureate in LiteratureChristian; Buddhist?
Winston ChurchillNobel Laureate in LiteratureAnglican
Jean-Paul SartreNobel Laureate in Literature

PART III. Nobel Peace Laureates (20-21 Century)
Albert SchweitzerNobel Peace Prize LaureateLutheran
Jimmy CarterNobel Peace Prize LaureateBaptist (former Southern Baptist)
Theodore RooseveltNobel Peace Prize LaureateDutch Reformed; Episcopalian
Woodrow WilsonNobel Peace Prize LaureatePresbyterian

Part IV. Founders of Modern Science (16-21 Century)
Isaac NewtonFounder of Classical Physics and Infinitesimal CalculusAnglican
Galileo GalileiFounder of Experimental PhysicsCatholic
Nicolaus CopernicusFounder of Heliocentric CosmologyCatholic (priest)
Johannes KeplerFounder of Physical Astronomy and Modern OpticsLutheran
Francis BaconFounder of the Scientific Inductive MethodAnglican
Ren" DescartesFounder of Analytical Geometry and Modern PhilosophyCatholic
Blaise PascalFounder of Hydrostatics, Hydrodynamics,
and the Theory of ProbabilitiesJansenist
Michael FaradayFounder of Electronics and Electro-MagneticsSandemanian
James Clerk MaxwellFounder of Statistical ThermodynamicsPresbyterian; Anglican; Baptist
Lord KelvinFounder of Thermodynamics and EnergeticsAnglican
Robert BoyleFounder of Modern ChemistryAnglican
William HarveyFounder of Modern MedicineAnglican (nominal)
John RayFounder of Modern Biology and Natural HistoryCalvinist (denomination?)
Gottfried Wilhelm LeibnizGerman Mathematician and Philosopher,
Founder of Infinitesimal Calculus

Part V. Great Philosophers (17-21 Century)
Immanuel KantOne of the Greatest Philosophers
in the History of Western PhilosophyLutheran
Jean-Jacques RousseauFounder of Modern Deismborn Protestant;
converted as a teen to Catholic
VoltaireFrench Philosopher and Historian,
One of the Most Influential Thinkers of the Enlightenmentraised in Jansenism
David HumeScottish Empiricist Philosopher, Historian, and Economist,
Founder of Modern SkepticismChurch of Scotland (Presbyterian)
SpinozaDutch-Jewish Philosopher,
the Chief Exponent of Modern RationalismJudaism; later pantheism/deism
Giordano BrunoItalian Philosopher, Astronomer, and Mathematician,
Founder of the Theory of the Infinite UniverseCatholic
George BerkeleyIrish Philosopher and Mathematician, Founder of Modern Idealism,

Let's take the first name on your list. Albert Einstein was a religious intellectual? Really?

While not a "religious" intellectual, his beliefs most closely align with Spinoza's pantheistic God.
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6/19/2015 9:41:51 AM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 6/19/2015 9:01:57 AM, Benshapiro wrote:
At 6/19/2015 6:48:50 AM, dee-em wrote:
At 6/18/2015 10:26:51 PM, Benshapiro wrote:
Nobody except

PART I. Nobel Scientists (20-21 Century)

Albert EinsteinNobel Laureate in PhysicsJewish
Max PlanckNobel Laureate in PhysicsProtestant
Erwin SchrodingerNobel Laureate in PhysicsCatholic
Werner HeisenbergNobel Laureate in PhysicsLutheran

PART II. Nobel Writers (20-21 Century)

T.S. EliotNobel Laureate in LiteratureAnglo-Catholic (Anglican)
Rudyard KiplingNobel Laureate in LiteratureAnglican
Alexander SolzhenitsynNobel Laureate in LiteratureRussian Orthodox
Fran"ois MauriacNobel Laureate in LiteratureCatholic
Hermann HesseNobel Laureate in LiteratureChristian; Buddhist?
Winston ChurchillNobel Laureate in LiteratureAnglican
Jean-Paul SartreNobel Laureate in Literature

PART III. Nobel Peace Laureates (20-21 Century)
Albert SchweitzerNobel Peace Prize LaureateLutheran
Jimmy CarterNobel Peace Prize LaureateBaptist (former Southern Baptist)
Theodore RooseveltNobel Peace Prize LaureateDutch Reformed; Episcopalian
Woodrow WilsonNobel Peace Prize LaureatePresbyterian

Part IV. Founders of Modern Science (16-21 Century)
Isaac NewtonFounder of Classical Physics and Infinitesimal CalculusAnglican
Galileo GalileiFounder of Experimental PhysicsCatholic
Nicolaus CopernicusFounder of Heliocentric CosmologyCatholic (priest)
Johannes KeplerFounder of Physical Astronomy and Modern OpticsLutheran
Francis BaconFounder of the Scientific Inductive MethodAnglican
Ren" DescartesFounder of Analytical Geometry and Modern PhilosophyCatholic
Blaise PascalFounder of Hydrostatics, Hydrodynamics,
and the Theory of ProbabilitiesJansenist
Michael FaradayFounder of Electronics and Electro-MagneticsSandemanian
James Clerk MaxwellFounder of Statistical ThermodynamicsPresbyterian; Anglican; Baptist
Lord KelvinFounder of Thermodynamics and EnergeticsAnglican
Robert BoyleFounder of Modern ChemistryAnglican
William HarveyFounder of Modern MedicineAnglican (nominal)
John RayFounder of Modern Biology and Natural HistoryCalvinist (denomination?)
Gottfried Wilhelm LeibnizGerman Mathematician and Philosopher,
Founder of Infinitesimal Calculus

Part V. Great Philosophers (17-21 Century)
Immanuel KantOne of the Greatest Philosophers
in the History of Western PhilosophyLutheran
Jean-Jacques RousseauFounder of Modern Deismborn Protestant;
converted as a teen to Catholic
VoltaireFrench Philosopher and Historian,
One of the Most Influential Thinkers of the Enlightenmentraised in Jansenism
David HumeScottish Empiricist Philosopher, Historian, and Economist,
Founder of Modern SkepticismChurch of Scotland (Presbyterian)
SpinozaDutch-Jewish Philosopher,
the Chief Exponent of Modern RationalismJudaism; later pantheism/deism
Giordano BrunoItalian Philosopher, Astronomer, and Mathematician,
Founder of the Theory of the Infinite UniverseCatholic
George BerkeleyIrish Philosopher and Mathematician, Founder of Modern Idealism,

Let's take the first name on your list. Albert Einstein was a religious intellectual? Really?

While not a "religious" intellectual, his beliefs most closely align with Spinoza's pantheistic God.

Then why give us a list of Nobel scientists, writers etc. who incidentally had some religious affiliation not central to who they were or how they achieved acclaim?
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6/19/2015 9:53:27 AM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 6/19/2015 9:41:51 AM, dee-em wrote:
At 6/19/2015 9:01:57 AM, Benshapiro wrote:
At 6/19/2015 6:48:50 AM, dee-em wrote:
At 6/18/2015 10:26:51 PM, Benshapiro wrote:
Nobody except

PART I. Nobel Scientists (20-21 Century)

Albert EinsteinNobel Laureate in PhysicsJewish
Max PlanckNobel Laureate in PhysicsProtestant
Erwin SchrodingerNobel Laureate in PhysicsCatholic
Werner HeisenbergNobel Laureate in PhysicsLutheran

PART II. Nobel Writers (20-21 Century)

T.S. EliotNobel Laureate in LiteratureAnglo-Catholic (Anglican)
Rudyard KiplingNobel Laureate in LiteratureAnglican
Alexander SolzhenitsynNobel Laureate in LiteratureRussian Orthodox
Fran"ois MauriacNobel Laureate in LiteratureCatholic
Hermann HesseNobel Laureate in LiteratureChristian; Buddhist?
Winston ChurchillNobel Laureate in LiteratureAnglican
Jean-Paul SartreNobel Laureate in Literature

PART III. Nobel Peace Laureates (20-21 Century)
Albert SchweitzerNobel Peace Prize LaureateLutheran
Jimmy CarterNobel Peace Prize LaureateBaptist (former Southern Baptist)
Theodore RooseveltNobel Peace Prize LaureateDutch Reformed; Episcopalian
Woodrow WilsonNobel Peace Prize LaureatePresbyterian

Part IV. Founders of Modern Science (16-21 Century)
Isaac NewtonFounder of Classical Physics and Infinitesimal CalculusAnglican
Galileo GalileiFounder of Experimental PhysicsCatholic
Nicolaus CopernicusFounder of Heliocentric CosmologyCatholic (priest)
Johannes KeplerFounder of Physical Astronomy and Modern OpticsLutheran
Francis BaconFounder of the Scientific Inductive MethodAnglican
Ren" DescartesFounder of Analytical Geometry and Modern PhilosophyCatholic
Blaise PascalFounder of Hydrostatics, Hydrodynamics,
and the Theory of ProbabilitiesJansenist
Michael FaradayFounder of Electronics and Electro-MagneticsSandemanian
James Clerk MaxwellFounder of Statistical ThermodynamicsPresbyterian; Anglican; Baptist
Lord KelvinFounder of Thermodynamics and EnergeticsAnglican
Robert BoyleFounder of Modern ChemistryAnglican
William HarveyFounder of Modern MedicineAnglican (nominal)
John RayFounder of Modern Biology and Natural HistoryCalvinist (denomination?)
Gottfried Wilhelm LeibnizGerman Mathematician and Philosopher,
Founder of Infinitesimal Calculus

Part V. Great Philosophers (17-21 Century)
Immanuel KantOne of the Greatest Philosophers
in the History of Western PhilosophyLutheran
Jean-Jacques RousseauFounder of Modern Deismborn Protestant;
converted as a teen to Catholic
VoltaireFrench Philosopher and Historian,
One of the Most Influential Thinkers of the Enlightenmentraised in Jansenism
David HumeScottish Empiricist Philosopher, Historian, and Economist,
Founder of Modern SkepticismChurch of Scotland (Presbyterian)
SpinozaDutch-Jewish Philosopher,
the Chief Exponent of Modern RationalismJudaism; later pantheism/deism
Giordano BrunoItalian Philosopher, Astronomer, and Mathematician,
Founder of the Theory of the Infinite UniverseCatholic
George BerkeleyIrish Philosopher and Mathematician, Founder of Modern Idealism,

Let's take the first name on your list. Albert Einstein was a religious intellectual? Really?

While not a "religious" intellectual, his beliefs most closely align with Spinoza's pantheistic God.

Then why give us a list of Nobel scientists, writers etc. who incidentally had some religious affiliation not central to who they were or how they achieved acclaim?

I recognize a lot of people on the list that actually were religious. The others were irreligious but believed in God to some extent. I was showing evidence that there is such thing as a "religious intellectual".
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6/19/2015 10:09:32 AM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 6/19/2015 9:53:27 AM, Benshapiro wrote:
At 6/19/2015 9:41:51 AM, dee-em wrote:
At 6/19/2015 9:01:57 AM, Benshapiro wrote:
At 6/19/2015 6:48:50 AM, dee-em wrote:

Let's take the first name on your list. Albert Einstein was a religious intellectual? Really?

While not a "religious" intellectual, his beliefs most closely align with Spinoza's pantheistic God.

Then why give us a list of Nobel scientists, writers etc. who incidentally had some religious affiliation not central to who they were or how they achieved acclaim?

I recognize a lot of people on the list that actually were religious. The others were irreligious but believed in God to some extent. I was showing evidence that there is such thing as a "religious intellectual".

I'm not trying to second guess the OP but I would be fairly sure that by using the term "religious intellectual", he didn't mean an intellectual who happened to have some religious affiliation. This is especially pertinent for anyone alive more than 50-100 years ago when having a religious affiliation was the norm in western societies. I find it intellectually (pun intended) dishonest when theists trot out such names as if atheism was a socially acceptable choice in those days. It's like promoting equestrianism by listing famous personages who rode horses before cars came along. Nearly everyone rode horses or carriages then.
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6/19/2015 5:18:54 PM
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Ok, I will post the intellectual truth: I am something new in the religious prophesy bearing world: I am a polymath, the first polymath prophesy bearer in history. I am a world class philosopher as well as a spiritual visionary bringing a whole new intellectual framework to Christian theology. But before I became a Christian I developed this biologically based social evolution theory, Climax Social Evolution Theory in 1975/76 that explains how and why civilizations rise and fall in human social evolution. http://biomystic.org...

I also predicted in 1979, science would discover dinosaurs didn't die out but the ones who could get their eggs off the ground as birds are still with us, that prediction confirmed in the 1990's with continuing examples of ancient dinosaurs as birds being found. I also predicted in 1979 there would not be many if any signs of alien intelligence found in our Universe and after nearly 40 years of searching that too holds true. I also predicted that science would find that our Universe is finite, that it stands as a done deal from Big Bang beginning to Black Hole annihilation ending while we ride out our lives and roles in a cosmic Play that was written long before the world was created. I know you all can't give me credit for being a religious intellectual as you're all here to strut your own beliefs and opinions and try to knock down the other fellow's views. But it's there, my intellectual work and some day it will be known to many.
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6/19/2015 5:21:20 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 6/19/2015 10:09:32 AM, dee-em wrote:
At 6/19/2015 9:53:27 AM, Benshapiro wrote:
At 6/19/2015 9:41:51 AM, dee-em wrote:
At 6/19/2015 9:01:57 AM, Benshapiro wrote:
At 6/19/2015 6:48:50 AM, dee-em wrote:

Let's take the first name on your list. Albert Einstein was a religious intellectual? Really?

While not a "religious" intellectual, his beliefs most closely align with Spinoza's pantheistic God.

Then why give us a list of Nobel scientists, writers etc. who incidentally had some religious affiliation not central to who they were or how they achieved acclaim?

I recognize a lot of people on the list that actually were religious. The others were irreligious but believed in God to some extent. I was showing evidence that there is such thing as a "religious intellectual".

I'm not trying to second guess the OP but I would be fairly sure that by using the term "religious intellectual", he didn't mean an intellectual who happened to have some religious affiliation. This is especially pertinent for anyone alive more than 50-100 years ago when having a religious affiliation was the norm in western societies. I find it intellectually (pun intended) dishonest when theists trot out such names as if atheism was a socially acceptable choice in those days. It's like promoting equestrianism by listing famous personages who rode horses before cars came along. Nearly everyone rode horses or carriages then.

Both interpretations of context are correct. Compair and contrast, put both in the same statement.
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6/19/2015 9:04:04 PM
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At 6/19/2015 5:18:54 PM, celestialtorahteacher wrote:
Ok, I will post the intellectual truth: I am something new in the religious prophesy bearing world: I am a polymath, the first polymath prophesy bearer in history. I am a world class philosopher as well as a spiritual visionary bringing a whole new intellectual framework to Christian theology. But before I became a Christian I developed this biologically based social evolution theory, Climax Social Evolution Theory in 1975/76 that explains how and why civilizations rise and fall in human social evolution. http://biomystic.org...

I also predicted in 1979, science would discover dinosaurs didn't die out but the ones who could get their eggs off the ground as birds are still with us, that prediction confirmed in the 1990's with continuing examples of ancient dinosaurs as birds being found.

Sorry, but you were over a century too late with your 'prediction':

https://en.wikipedia.org...

I also predicted in 1979 there would not be many if any signs of alien intelligence found in our Universe and after nearly 40 years of searching that too holds true.

Lol. You weren't the only one.

I also predicted that science would find that our Universe is finite, that it stands as a done deal from Big Bang beginning to Black Hole annihilation ending while we ride out our lives and roles in a cosmic Play that was written long before the world was created.

Then your 'prediction' is wrong. The universe is in a runaway expansion to the best of our knowledge.

I know you all can't give me credit for being a religious intellectual as you're all here to strut your own beliefs and opinions and try to knock down the other fellow's views. But it's there, my intellectual work and some day it will be known to many.

Sure, sure. You're a legend in your own mind.
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I didn't say I was the only one predicting these things but in 1979 there was NO paleontologist backing the yes, an old 19th Century minority view that therapods with their "bird hips" were somehow related to birds. I started following the one young paleontologist in the later '80's who was promoting the bird/dinosaur connection but he was alone for years, read his book. In the 1990's all paleontologists started waking up to the bird/dinosaur connection because the fossils kept pouring in with feathers.

I do make a claim that our Universe is finite, a closed system that sits as a done deal from beginning to end somewhere, perhaps as a recording of some type being "played". My religious conversion was due in large part by experiencing that state of mind called "maya' in which the world is actually seen as illusion. I saw it that way for three full days with the break up of consensual reality by three solid days of non-stop synchronicity events which cannot possibly happen in a linear arrow of time past-present-future Universe.

And really, using "science" claims for this and that is not the brightest of defenses of your ideas as cosmology is notorious for scientists having radically different ideas about the same sets of physical data.

I'm sorry your need to play one-upsmanship with my work disallows you to see its value but really, do sometime try to find another Climax Social Evolution Theory that you imply is old hat.
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6/21/2015 3:21:03 PM
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At 6/19/2015 5:18:54 PM, celestialtorahteacher wrote:
I am a polymath, the first polymath prophesy bearer in history. I am a world class philosopher as well as a spiritual visionary bringing a whole new intellectual framework to Christian theology.

I also predicted in 1979, science would discover dinosaurs didn't die out but the ones who could get their eggs off the ground as birds are still with us, that prediction confirmed in the 1990's with continuing examples of ancient dinosaurs as birds being found. I also predicted in 1979 there would not be many if any signs of alien intelligence found in our Universe and after nearly 40 years of searching that too holds true. I also predicted that science would find that our Universe is finite, that it stands as a done deal from Big Bang beginning to Black Hole annihilation ending while we ride out our lives and roles in a cosmic Play that was written long before the world was created. I know you all can't give me credit for being a religious intellectual as you're all here to strut your own beliefs and opinions and try to knock down the other fellow's views. But it's there, my intellectual work and some day it will be known to many.

How do we verify your predictions, o great and powerful polymath? Are they written down anywhere and can be shown to be authentic, thy glorious spiritual visionary? Why do you say it will be known to many when it isn't known to anyone other than yourself, a self-professed world class philosopher and prophecy bearer?
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6/21/2015 3:36:22 PM
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At 6/18/2015 5:47:32 PM, ironslippers wrote:
I believe there are Religious Intellectuals and I've got a couple questions for them.
1.
What do you think of the brethren that make you look simple?
2.
Couldn't you create a religion that is idiot proof?

Me? if there is a God, it's not me.

Thomas Aquinas, Martin Luther, C.S. Lewis, and the likes were Christian intellectuals.

You're clearly an atheist and you're enough of an aggressive jerk to be RM. We'll see whether or not I'm right if this account hasn't been closed 6 months from now.
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6/21/2015 4:09:53 PM
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At 6/21/2015 3:36:22 PM, Vox_Veritas wrote:
At 6/18/2015 5:47:32 PM, ironslippers wrote:
I believe there are Religious Intellectuals and I've got a couple questions for them.
1.
What do you think of the brethren that make you look simple?
2.
Couldn't you create a religion that is idiot proof?

Me? if there is a God, it's not me.

Thomas Aquinas, Martin Luther, C.S. Lewis, and the likes were Christian intellectuals.

You're clearly an atheist and you're enough of an aggressive jerk to be RM. We'll see whether or not I'm right if this account hasn't been closed 6 months from now.

Your Wrong!! You don't know me. I'm very much a believer and in my OP statement I acknowledge that there are Religious Intellectuals. Your over the top defensiveness is quite revealing. Perhaps you should consider comparing yourself to any one of the religious Intellectuals you mention. Dogma is not a substitution for Intellect.
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6/21/2015 4:28:44 PM
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At 6/21/2015 4:09:53 PM, ironslippers wrote:
At 6/21/2015 3:36:22 PM, Vox_Veritas wrote:
At 6/18/2015 5:47:32 PM, ironslippers wrote:
I believe there are Religious Intellectuals and I've got a couple questions for them.
1.
What do you think of the brethren that make you look simple?
2.
Couldn't you create a religion that is idiot proof?

Me? if there is a God, it's not me.

Thomas Aquinas, Martin Luther, C.S. Lewis, and the likes were Christian intellectuals.

You're clearly an atheist and you're enough of an aggressive jerk to be RM. We'll see whether or not I'm right if this account hasn't been closed 6 months from now.

Your Wrong!! You don't know me. I'm very much a believer and in my OP statement I acknowledge that there are Religious Intellectuals. Your over the top defensiveness is quite revealing. Perhaps you should consider comparing yourself to any one of the religious Intellectuals you mention. Dogma is not a substitution for Intellect.

Yes, but you implied most religious people are idiots. And I don't even understand what you meant by question #1.
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6/21/2015 4:32:40 PM
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At 6/19/2015 5:11:09 AM, Philocat wrote:
Well, there's Richard Swinburne, John Hick and William Lane Craig...

You seriously need better intellectuals... Richard Swinburne qualifies... barely. But there are a plethora of religious intellectuals to choose from, albeit not necessarily within phil. of religion.
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6/21/2015 5:45:05 PM
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At 6/21/2015 4:28:44 PM, Vox_Veritas wrote:
At 6/21/2015 4:09:53 PM, ironslippers wrote:
At 6/21/2015 3:36:22 PM, Vox_Veritas wrote:
At 6/18/2015 5:47:32 PM, ironslippers wrote:
I believe there are Religious Intellectuals and I've got a couple questions for them.
1.
What do you think of the brethren that make you look simple?
2.
Couldn't you create a religion that is idiot proof?

Me? if there is a God, it's not me.

Thomas Aquinas, Martin Luther, C.S. Lewis, and the likes were Christian intellectuals.

You're clearly an atheist and you're enough of an aggressive jerk to be RM. We'll see whether or not I'm right if this account hasn't been closed 6 months from now.

Your Wrong!! You don't know me. I'm very much a believer and in my OP statement I acknowledge that there are Religious Intellectuals. Your over the top defensiveness is quite revealing. Perhaps you should consider comparing yourself to any one of the religious Intellectuals you mention. Dogma is not a substitution for Intellect.

Yes, but you implied most religious people are idiots. And I don't even understand what you meant by question #1.
question#1 If I were say a Religious Intellectual I would be embarrassed by amount of wasted time people spend in petty arguments, like whether or not there is a god, or if documents are the word of God, or Jesus is the son of God, Mohammad is a prophet etc. These arguments have been rehashed over and over and over and over and over... These petty argument have been the source in dividing of religions, hatred and murder and never seem to unite people or change anothers beliefs.

Question#2 I am familiar with many of the religious intellectuals listed throughout these posts and I believe what they have in common is the use of religion in tandem with their intellect that's what makes them great men and the idiots are the ones that use dogma as a substitute for intellect.

If one were to ask the question "what does your faith mean to you" as people exit their chosen mosque, church, synagogue, etc you will find almost as much diversity in the answer as there are people with much overlap between between denominations.

It seems to me there could uniting religion not a dividing religion.
Also people should have a self-deprecating approach to their beliefs.

If you want to call me a jerk for thinking many people are idiots you would be correct.
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6/21/2015 7:50:29 PM
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At 6/21/2015 5:45:05 PM, ironslippers wrote:
At 6/21/2015 4:28:44 PM, Vox_Veritas wrote:
At 6/21/2015 4:09:53 PM, ironslippers wrote:
At 6/21/2015 3:36:22 PM, Vox_Veritas wrote:
At 6/18/2015 5:47:32 PM, ironslippers wrote:
I believe there are Religious Intellectuals and I've got a couple questions for them.
1.
What do you think of the brethren that make you look simple?
2.
Couldn't you create a religion that is idiot proof?

Me? if there is a God, it's not me.

Thomas Aquinas, Martin Luther, C.S. Lewis, and the likes were Christian intellectuals.

You're clearly an atheist and you're enough of an aggressive jerk to be RM. We'll see whether or not I'm right if this account hasn't been closed 6 months from now.

Your Wrong!! You don't know me. I'm very much a believer and in my OP statement I acknowledge that there are Religious Intellectuals. Your over the top defensiveness is quite revealing. Perhaps you should consider comparing yourself to any one of the religious Intellectuals you mention. Dogma is not a substitution for Intellect.

Yes, but you implied most religious people are idiots. And I don't even understand what you meant by question #1.
question#1 If I were say a Religious Intellectual I would be embarrassed by amount of wasted time people spend in petty arguments, like whether or not there is a god, or if documents are the word of God, or Jesus is the son of God, Mohammad is a prophet etc. These arguments have been rehashed over and over and over and over and over... These petty argument have been the source in dividing of religions, hatred and murder and never seem to unite people or change anothers beliefs.

Question#2 I am familiar with many of the religious intellectuals listed throughout these posts and I believe what they have in common is the use of religion in tandem with their intellect that's what makes them great men and the idiots are the ones that use dogma as a substitute for intellect.

If one were to ask the question "what does your faith mean to you" as people exit their chosen mosque, church, synagogue, etc you will find almost as much diversity in the answer as there are people with much overlap between between denominations.

It seems to me there could uniting religion not a dividing religion.
Also people should have a self-deprecating approach to their beliefs.

If you want to call me a jerk for thinking many people are idiots you would be correct.

I want to add dogmatic thinking is problematic for EVERYONE not just the religious it effects atheist, agnostic,, scientist, politicians, homeless, criminals, poor, rich, etc etc etc
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6/22/2015 5:42:26 AM
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At 6/21/2015 4:32:40 PM, Envisage wrote:
At 6/19/2015 5:11:09 AM, Philocat wrote:
Well, there's Richard Swinburne, John Hick and William Lane Craig...

You seriously need better intellectuals... Richard Swinburne qualifies... barely. But there are a plethora of religious intellectuals to choose from, albeit not necessarily within phil. of religion.

I was mainly referring to intellectuals in the sphere of the philosophy of religion (i.e those who actually partake in theological debates) not intellectuals who happen to be religious. I'm not too sure what the relevance is of referring to the latter, as if there is a good scientist then his religion (or lack thereof) is not relevant in my mind.

But what's wrong with Craig or Hick?
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At 6/18/2015 10:26:51 PM, Benshapiro wrote:
Nobody except

PART I. Nobel Scientists (20-21 Century)

Albert EinsteinNobel Laureate in PhysicsJewish
Max PlanckNobel Laureate in PhysicsProtestant
Erwin SchrodingerNobel Laureate in PhysicsCatholic
Werner HeisenbergNobel Laureate in PhysicsLutheran

PART II. Nobel Writers (20-21 Century)

T.S. EliotNobel Laureate in LiteratureAnglo-Catholic (Anglican)
Rudyard KiplingNobel Laureate in LiteratureAnglican
Alexander SolzhenitsynNobel Laureate in LiteratureRussian Orthodox
Fran"ois MauriacNobel Laureate in LiteratureCatholic
Hermann HesseNobel Laureate in LiteratureChristian; Buddhist?
Winston ChurchillNobel Laureate in LiteratureAnglican
Jean-Paul SartreNobel Laureate in Literature

PART III. Nobel Peace Laureates (20-21 Century)
Albert SchweitzerNobel Peace Prize LaureateLutheran
Jimmy CarterNobel Peace Prize LaureateBaptist (former Southern Baptist)
Theodore RooseveltNobel Peace Prize LaureateDutch Reformed; Episcopalian
Woodrow WilsonNobel Peace Prize LaureatePresbyterian

Part IV. Founders of Modern Science (16-21 Century)
Isaac NewtonFounder of Classical Physics and Infinitesimal CalculusAnglican
Galileo GalileiFounder of Experimental PhysicsCatholic
Nicolaus CopernicusFounder of Heliocentric CosmologyCatholic (priest)
Johannes KeplerFounder of Physical Astronomy and Modern OpticsLutheran
Francis BaconFounder of the Scientific Inductive MethodAnglican
Ren" DescartesFounder of Analytical Geometry and Modern PhilosophyCatholic
Blaise PascalFounder of Hydrostatics, Hydrodynamics,
and the Theory of ProbabilitiesJansenist
Michael FaradayFounder of Electronics and Electro-MagneticsSandemanian
James Clerk MaxwellFounder of Statistical ThermodynamicsPresbyterian; Anglican; Baptist
Lord KelvinFounder of Thermodynamics and EnergeticsAnglican
Robert BoyleFounder of Modern ChemistryAnglican
William HarveyFounder of Modern MedicineAnglican (nominal)
John RayFounder of Modern Biology and Natural HistoryCalvinist (denomination?)
Gottfried Wilhelm LeibnizGerman Mathematician and Philosopher,
Founder of Infinitesimal Calculus

Part V. Great Philosophers (17-21 Century)
Immanuel KantOne of the Greatest Philosophers
in the History of Western PhilosophyLutheran
Jean-Jacques RousseauFounder of Modern Deismborn Protestant;
converted as a teen to Catholic
VoltaireFrench Philosopher and Historian,
One of the Most Influential Thinkers of the Enlightenmentraised in Jansenism
David HumeScottish Empiricist Philosopher, Historian, and Economist,
Founder of Modern SkepticismChurch of Scotland (Presbyterian)
SpinozaDutch-Jewish Philosopher,
the Chief Exponent of Modern RationalismJudaism; later pantheism/deism
Giordano BrunoItalian Philosopher, Astronomer, and Mathematician,
Founder of the Theory of the Infinite UniverseCatholic
George BerkeleyIrish Philosopher and Mathematician, Founder of Modern Idealism,

None in this list count as we all know that religion stifles science. The religious simply say "Godidit"and are done with it. So every thinking atheist knows that people like Max Planck and Winston Churchill were blithering idiots. "Intellectual" and "religious" are mutually exclusive.

The OP's implication that "Intellectual" and "religious" are mutually exclusive is dead on.