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Preston
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6/26/2015 8:30:55 AM
Posted: 1 year ago
THIS CHALLENGE IS TO ANY CHRISTIAN RELIGION THAT PROSELYTES

Scenario:
-Jack is an immigrant from Africa, he is muslim and not christian.
-Jill is teaching in his area.
-Jill approaches Jack and jack turns her away.

Is Jack in trouble?
Should Jill be teaching?

If jill hadn't been teaching he would not have had the opportunity to turn her away, and thus would have no consequence.
"Never argue with an idiot. They will only bring you down to their level and beat you with experience." - George Carlin
Preston
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6/26/2015 8:31:18 AM
Posted: 1 year ago
This will also close in 1 week.
"Never argue with an idiot. They will only bring you down to their level and beat you with experience." - George Carlin
TheWORDisLIFE
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6/26/2015 10:38:46 AM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 6/26/2015 8:30:55 AM, Preston wrote:
THIS CHALLENGE IS TO ANY CHRISTIAN RELIGION THAT PROSELYTES

Scenario:
-Jack is an immigrant from Africa, he is muslim and not christian.
-Jill is teaching in his area.
-Jill approaches Jack and jack turns her away.

Is Jack in trouble?
Should Jill be teaching?

If jill hadn't been teaching he would not have had the opportunity to turn her away, and thus would have no consequence.

Wow.......lol
Preston
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6/26/2015 2:30:33 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 6/26/2015 10:38:46 AM, TheWORDisLIFE wrote:
At 6/26/2015 8:30:55 AM, Preston wrote:
THIS CHALLENGE IS TO ANY CHRISTIAN RELIGION THAT PROSELYTES

Scenario:
-Jack is an immigrant from Africa, he is muslim and not christian.
-Jill is teaching in his area.
-Jill approaches Jack and jack turns her away.

Is Jack in trouble?
Should Jill be teaching?

If jill hadn't been teaching he would not have had the opportunity to turn her away, and thus would have no consequence.

Wow.......lol

hey, came up with it based off last challenge, answer?
"Never argue with an idiot. They will only bring you down to their level and beat you with experience." - George Carlin
TheWORDisLIFE
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6/26/2015 2:49:33 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 6/26/2015 2:30:33 PM, Preston wrote:
At 6/26/2015 10:38:46 AM, TheWORDisLIFE wrote:
At 6/26/2015 8:30:55 AM, Preston wrote:
THIS CHALLENGE IS TO ANY CHRISTIAN RELIGION THAT PROSELYTES

Scenario:
-Jack is an immigrant from Africa, he is muslim and not christian.
-Jill is teaching in his area.
-Jill approaches Jack and jack turns her away.

Is Jack in trouble?
Should Jill be teaching?

If jill hadn't been teaching he would not have had the opportunity to turn her away, and thus would have no consequence.

Wow.......lol

hey, came up with it based off last challenge, answer?

You never answered my question from the last challenge.
Preston
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6/26/2015 2:50:46 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 6/26/2015 2:49:33 PM, TheWORDisLIFE wrote:
At 6/26/2015 2:30:33 PM, Preston wrote:
At 6/26/2015 10:38:46 AM, TheWORDisLIFE wrote:
At 6/26/2015 8:30:55 AM, Preston wrote:
THIS CHALLENGE IS TO ANY CHRISTIAN RELIGION THAT PROSELYTES

Scenario:
-Jack is an immigrant from Africa, he is muslim and not christian.
-Jill is teaching in his area.
-Jill approaches Jack and jack turns her away.

Is Jack in trouble?
Should Jill be teaching?

If jill hadn't been teaching he would not have had the opportunity to turn her away, and thus would have no consequence.

Wow.......lol

hey, came up with it based off last challenge, answer?


You never answered my question from the last challenge.

Sorry, can you ask it again? got lost in comments :/
"Never argue with an idiot. They will only bring you down to their level and beat you with experience." - George Carlin
TheWORDisLIFE
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6/26/2015 2:53:00 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 6/26/2015 2:50:46 PM, Preston wrote:
At 6/26/2015 2:49:33 PM, TheWORDisLIFE wrote:
At 6/26/2015 2:30:33 PM, Preston wrote:
At 6/26/2015 10:38:46 AM, TheWORDisLIFE wrote:
At 6/26/2015 8:30:55 AM, Preston wrote:
THIS CHALLENGE IS TO ANY CHRISTIAN RELIGION THAT PROSELYTES

Scenario:
-Jack is an immigrant from Africa, he is muslim and not christian.
-Jill is teaching in his area.
-Jill approaches Jack and jack turns her away.

Is Jack in trouble?
Should Jill be teaching?

If jill hadn't been teaching he would not have had the opportunity to turn her away, and thus would have no consequence.

Wow.......lol

hey, came up with it based off last challenge, answer?


You never answered my question from the last challenge.

Sorry, can you ask it again? got lost in comments :/

what hell are you referring to? The "hell" that Christians believe exist?
Preston
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6/26/2015 2:54:06 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 6/26/2015 2:53:00 PM, TheWORDisLIFE wrote:
At 6/26/2015 2:50:46 PM, Preston wrote:
At 6/26/2015 2:49:33 PM, TheWORDisLIFE wrote:
At 6/26/2015 2:30:33 PM, Preston wrote:
At 6/26/2015 10:38:46 AM, TheWORDisLIFE wrote:
At 6/26/2015 8:30:55 AM, Preston wrote:
THIS CHALLENGE IS TO ANY CHRISTIAN RELIGION THAT PROSELYTES

Scenario:
-Jack is an immigrant from Africa, he is muslim and not christian.
-Jill is teaching in his area.
-Jill approaches Jack and jack turns her away.

Is Jack in trouble?
Should Jill be teaching?

If jill hadn't been teaching he would not have had the opportunity to turn her away, and thus would have no consequence.

Wow.......lol

hey, came up with it based off last challenge, answer?


You never answered my question from the last challenge.

Sorry, can you ask it again? got lost in comments :/

what hell are you referring to? The "hell" that Christians believe exist?

oh, i answered this, in the last one i said "the most commonly believed version of hell"

This one is specific to christians, so yea!
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6/26/2015 2:59:15 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 6/26/2015 2:54:06 PM, Preston wrote:
At 6/26/2015 2:53:00 PM, TheWORDisLIFE wrote:
At 6/26/2015 2:50:46 PM, Preston wrote:
At 6/26/2015 2:49:33 PM, TheWORDisLIFE wrote:
At 6/26/2015 2:30:33 PM, Preston wrote:
At 6/26/2015 10:38:46 AM, TheWORDisLIFE wrote:
At 6/26/2015 8:30:55 AM, Preston wrote:
THIS CHALLENGE IS TO ANY CHRISTIAN RELIGION THAT PROSELYTES

Scenario:
-Jack is an immigrant from Africa, he is muslim and not christian.
-Jill is teaching in his area.
-Jill approaches Jack and jack turns her away.

Is Jack in trouble?
Should Jill be teaching?

If jill hadn't been teaching he would not have had the opportunity to turn her away, and thus would have no consequence.

Wow.......lol

hey, came up with it based off last challenge, answer?


You never answered my question from the last challenge.

Sorry, can you ask it again? got lost in comments :/

what hell are you referring to? The "hell" that Christians believe exist?

oh, i answered this, in the last one i said "the most commonly believed version of hell"

This one is specific to christians, so yea!

True Christians do not believe in the "the most commonly believed version of hell", because neither Christ nor the Apostles did, since it is not scriptural. Only fake Christians are prepared to slander God and Christ in that way.;
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6/26/2015 3:01:44 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 6/26/2015 2:54:06 PM, Preston wrote:
At 6/26/2015 2:53:00 PM, TheWORDisLIFE wrote:
At 6/26/2015 2:50:46 PM, Preston wrote:
At 6/26/2015 2:49:33 PM, TheWORDisLIFE wrote:
At 6/26/2015 2:30:33 PM, Preston wrote:
At 6/26/2015 10:38:46 AM, TheWORDisLIFE wrote:
At 6/26/2015 8:30:55 AM, Preston wrote:
THIS CHALLENGE IS TO ANY CHRISTIAN RELIGION THAT PROSELYTES

Scenario:
-Jack is an immigrant from Africa, he is muslim and not christian.
-Jill is teaching in his area.
-Jill approaches Jack and jack turns her away.

Is Jack in trouble?
Should Jill be teaching?

If jill hadn't been teaching he would not have had the opportunity to turn her away, and thus would have no consequence.

Wow.......lol

hey, came up with it based off last challenge, answer?


You never answered my question from the last challenge.

Sorry, can you ask it again? got lost in comments :/

what hell are you referring to? The "hell" that Christians believe exist?

oh, i answered this, in the last one i said "the most commonly believed version of hell"

This one is specific to christians, so yea!

Ahh, well you must have replied in a new post, instead of replying to my post, that's probably why I never got the notification. Any who, the modern day "Christian" illusion of hell does not exist; the modern day "Christian" hell is not in the Bible. So when someone dies, they don't go to the modern day "Christian" hell. The Bible teaches regeneration, therefore that spirit comes back to the earth and earth currently is hell. Let's assume God loves everyone, if HE did, every so called "godly" person would be in hell right now because hell is on earth. Hell is described as a condition and as nuclear destruction.
Mhykiel
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6/26/2015 5:12:49 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 6/26/2015 8:30:55 AM, Preston wrote:
THIS CHALLENGE IS TO ANY CHRISTIAN RELIGION THAT PROSELYTES

Scenario:
-Jack is an immigrant from Africa, he is muslim and not christian.
-Jill is teaching in his area.
-Jill approaches Jack and jack turns her away.

Is Jack in trouble?
Should Jill be teaching?

If jill hadn't been teaching he would not have had the opportunity to turn her away, and thus would have no consequence.

Are you trying to say Jack is now in trouble of damnation because Jill being a woman spoke to him about Christ and Jack reject Christ?

Jack is a sinner whether he hears about Christ or not. If Jack hears about Christ and accepts then Jack will be saved from the punishment due all sinners.

If Jack doesn't hear about Christ, Jack will be judged on his hope and faith in God to provide a savior for him. If Jack doesn't have this hope then he will be damned.
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6/27/2015 4:57:13 AM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 6/26/2015 5:12:49 PM, Mhykiel wrote:
At 6/26/2015 8:30:55 AM, Preston wrote:
THIS CHALLENGE IS TO ANY CHRISTIAN RELIGION THAT PROSELYTES

Scenario:
-Jack is an immigrant from Africa, he is muslim and not christian.
-Jill is teaching in his area.
-Jill approaches Jack and jack turns her away.

Is Jack in trouble?
Should Jill be teaching?

If jill hadn't been teaching he would not have had the opportunity to turn her away, and thus would have no consequence.

Are you trying to say Jack is now in trouble of damnation because Jill being a woman spoke to him about Christ and Jack reject Christ?

Jack is a sinner whether he hears about Christ or not. If Jack hears about Christ and accepts then Jack will be saved from the punishment due all sinners.

If Jack doesn't hear about Christ, Jack will be judged on his hope and faith in God to provide a savior for him. If Jack doesn't have this hope then he will be damned.

Very simply put, thank you.
Preston
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6/27/2015 4:07:52 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 6/26/2015 5:12:49 PM, Mhykiel wrote:
At 6/26/2015 8:30:55 AM, Preston wrote:
THIS CHALLENGE IS TO ANY CHRISTIAN RELIGION THAT PROSELYTES

Scenario:
-Jack is an immigrant from Africa, he is muslim and not christian.
-Jill is teaching in his area.
-Jill approaches Jack and jack turns her away.

Is Jack in trouble?
Should Jill be teaching?

If jill hadn't been teaching he would not have had the opportunity to turn her away, and thus would have no consequence.

Are you trying to say Jack is now in trouble of damnation because Jill being a woman spoke to him about Christ and Jack reject Christ?

Jack is a sinner whether he hears about Christ or not. If Jack hears about Christ and accepts then Jack will be saved from the punishment due all sinners.

If Jack doesn't hear about Christ, Jack will be judged on his hope and faith in God to provide a savior for him. If Jack doesn't have this hope then he will be damned.

What is it that makes jack a sinner, and does this mean that everyone is a sinner. And if everyone is a sinner does that mean a child who dies without influence from any christian religion goes to some sort of hell?
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6/27/2015 4:41:39 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 6/26/2015 8:30:55 AM, Preston wrote:
THIS CHALLENGE IS TO ANY CHRISTIAN RELIGION THAT PROSELYTES

Scenario:
-Jack is an immigrant from Africa, he is muslim and not christian.
-Jill is teaching in his area.
-Jill approaches Jack and jack turns her away.

Is Jack in trouble?
Should Jill be teaching?

If jill hadn't been teaching he would not have had the opportunity to turn her away, and thus would have no consequence.

What is Jill teaching?
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6/27/2015 5:17:44 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 6/27/2015 4:07:52 PM, Preston wrote:
At 6/26/2015 5:12:49 PM, Mhykiel wrote:
Jack is a sinner whether he hears about Christ or not. If Jack hears about Christ and accepts then Jack will be saved from the punishment due all sinners.

If Jack doesn't hear about Christ, Jack will be judged on his hope and faith in God to provide a savior for him. If Jack doesn't have this hope then he will be damned.

What is it that makes jack a sinner, and does this mean that everyone is a sinner. And if everyone is a sinner does that mean a child who dies without influence from any christian religion goes to some sort of hell?

My understanding, is that sin is a condition(noun Sin) that produces symptoms(verb Sin). It would seem to me, that an infant, though they haven't acted on their sin, are still carrying the aliment/illness of sin the condition.

For example, if a child is born with a disease the parent carried, died at birth, and never had the chance to possibly spread the disease doesn't change the fact that they have it.

To clarify though, that analogy isn't bullet proof, and in no way am I suggesting we should punish a child for having a physical disease.

Now, does that mean all children go to hell? I don't think so?.. I would assume that since any and all who are to spared from Gods Just wrath are done so by Grace Alone, that its a stretch to assume that children who've never lived could also be chosen by Grace as well. Going any further than that I concede, seems to be pointless.
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6/27/2015 10:35:36 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 6/27/2015 4:41:39 PM, Kyle_the_Heretic wrote:
At 6/26/2015 8:30:55 AM, Preston wrote:
THIS CHALLENGE IS TO ANY CHRISTIAN RELIGION THAT PROSELYTES

Scenario:
-Jack is an immigrant from Africa, he is muslim and not christian.
-Jill is teaching in his area.
-Jill approaches Jack and jack turns her away.

Is Jack in trouble?
Should Jill be teaching?

If jill hadn't been teaching he would not have had the opportunity to turn her away, and thus would have no consequence.

What is Jill teaching?

She is proselyting, so her faith....
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6/28/2015 12:09:17 AM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 6/27/2015 10:35:36 PM, Preston wrote:
At 6/27/2015 4:41:39 PM, Kyle_the_Heretic wrote:
At 6/26/2015 8:30:55 AM, Preston wrote:
THIS CHALLENGE IS TO ANY CHRISTIAN RELIGION THAT PROSELYTES

Scenario:
-Jack is an immigrant from Africa, he is muslim and not christian.
-Jill is teaching in his area.
-Jill approaches Jack and jack turns her away.

Is Jack in trouble?
Should Jill be teaching?

If jill hadn't been teaching he would not have had the opportunity to turn her away, and thus would have no consequence.

What is Jill teaching?

She is proselyting, so her faith....

Very well. We'll assume that Jill's faith is acceptable to God.

Jesus commanded us to share his message, so yes, Jill should be teaching. If she is doing it officially, certain protocols should be in place. Organization is essential.

As for Jack. If he turns her away without allowing her to speak, then turning down that opportunity will be upon his head, and he will be judged according to that action.

If he heard her out, and she taught well, but he felt no spirit of conviction, and turned her away, he will likely be judged for not asking God, so that it would be opened up to him.

If he felt the spirit of conviction, but still turned her away, then he will answer for knowing better, but doing nothing about it. (2 Peter 2:21). In this case, yes, he's probably in trouble, so to speak.
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6/28/2015 8:49:03 AM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 6/26/2015 8:30:55 AM, Preston wrote:
THIS CHALLENGE IS TO ANY CHRISTIAN RELIGION THAT PROSELYTES

Scenario:
-Jack is an immigrant from Africa, he is muslim and not christian.
-Jill is teaching in his area.
-Jill approaches Jack and jack turns her away.

Is Jack in trouble?

That depends on how he responded to the grace God gave him.

Should Jill be teaching?

Maybe not.

If jill hadn't been teaching he would not have had the opportunity to turn her away, and thus would have no consequence.

That's not true. He still has to respond properly to God's grace within him.
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