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wsmunit7
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6/27/2015 9:33:53 AM
Posted: 1 year ago
Does Legal Gay Marriage Doom Evangelical Christianity?
http://www.huffingtonpost.com...

Hell hath no fury like the religious right scorned. The ink was yet wet on the Supreme Court's decision legalizing gay marriage when Southern Baptist minister and presidential candidate Mike Huckabee called for an uprising.
"I will not acquiesce to an imperial court any more than our Founders acquiesced to an imperial British monarch," he roared. "We must resist and reject judicial tyranny, not retreat."
Weirdly, Chief Justice John Roberts denigrated his own institution. "Five lawyers have closed the debate and enacted their own vision of marriage as a matter of constitutional law," he sneered in dissent. [A]s a judge, I find the majority's position indefensible as a matter of constitutional law."
Roberts must have been snoozing in con law class. This is precisely what the Supreme Court is supposed to do: prevent a tyranny of the majority. That is its essential function.
The Founders changed the world by crafting a separation of powers in our government. Any ambiguity about the Supreme Court's role was cleared up in 1803 when the Court issued its decision in Marbury v. Madison. In that towering decision, Chief Justice Marshall ruled that laws in conflict with the Constitution are no laws, and that the Supreme Court is the final arbiter of what the Constitution says.
Roberts knows this, and Scalia, Huckabee, and the whole howling pack of angry critics must know this, too. Why are they so furious about a decision that can have no direct effect on them? A court majority that blithely made "money talks" the law of the land in Citizens United really cannot complain about "judicial tyranny" when it finds itself in the minority.
Indeed, being in the minority yet retaining fundamental rights is exactly what this week's ruling is about. So what rights have gay marriage opponents lost? The answer, I think, is their future.
Opposition to gay marriage has only one refuge: Old Time Religion. To be sure, there are still plenty of people who take certain biblical passages to mean that homosexuality is wrong (conveniently overlooking other passages that say slavery is right). But their numbers are dwindling. American attitudes on gay marriage have swung about like the boom on a yacht caught in a gale of change.
What the religious right rightly fears is being blown away. They talk about the Roe v. Wade decision, but what haunts them is Loving v. Virginia. That 1967 Supreme Court ruling overturned laws banning interracial marriage. It came at a time when "We Shall Overcome," with its verse "black and white together," could be heard in the streets across the nation.
Today, racism persists, but only like a fatal disease awaiting eradication. It has lost all legitimacy. Even a billionaire NBA team owner can't get away with being a public racist.
Now, I am not making a content comparison of Old Time Religion with racism. I am saying that right-wing religion's exponents fear being stigmatized by this decision. Rick Scarborough of Vision America told NPR "What we have historically done is enforce moral standards," Scarborough said, and after vowing to continue to discriminate in hiring regardless, he added wistfully, "Who wants to respond to a pollster and be called a bigot?"
Good question.
More than two-thirds of young Americans already accept gay marriage. As it proliferates, more will. To come out as anti-gay is already seriously not cool. Increasingly, in high schools and colleges, to be anti-gay will be like coming out as a Klansman.
Are young people going to want to join a church whose emblem is a huffing and puffing Mike Huckabee wielding the Bible to exclude millions from marriage? Not bloody likely.
DanneJeRusse
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6/27/2015 10:12:29 AM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 6/27/2015 9:33:53 AM, wsmunit7 wrote:
Does Legal Gay Marriage Doom Evangelical Christianity?

I think Evangelical Christianity is what will doom Evangelical Christianity.
Marrying a 6 year old and waiting until she reaches puberty and maturity before having consensual sex is better than walking up to
a stranger in a bar and proceeding to have relations with no valid proof of the intent of the person. Muhammad wins. ~ Fatihah
If they don't want to be killed then they have to subdue to the Islamic laws. - Uncung
Without God, you are lower than sh!t. ~ SpiritandTruth
wsmunit7
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6/27/2015 10:14:27 AM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 6/27/2015 10:12:29 AM, DanneJeRusse wrote:
At 6/27/2015 9:33:53 AM, wsmunit7 wrote:
Does Legal Gay Marriage Doom Evangelical Christianity?

I think Evangelical Christianity is what will doom Evangelical Christianity.

They are their own worst enemy.
JJ50
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6/27/2015 10:17:32 AM
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I have no problem with live and let live moderate Christians, like my own children, but the evangelical, 'get saved or go to hell', mob are very nasty indeed!
DanneJeRusse
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6/27/2015 10:18:51 AM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 6/27/2015 10:14:27 AM, wsmunit7 wrote:
At 6/27/2015 10:12:29 AM, DanneJeRusse wrote:
At 6/27/2015 9:33:53 AM, wsmunit7 wrote:
Does Legal Gay Marriage Doom Evangelical Christianity?

I think Evangelical Christianity is what will doom Evangelical Christianity.

They are their own worst enemy.

I absolutely love it, I'm very happy to see folks like Huckabee trying to start an uprising as it will surely backfire and demonstrate once again, the sheer lunacy of his religious beliefs. I'm sure many other Christians who have accepted gay marriage are cringing.
Marrying a 6 year old and waiting until she reaches puberty and maturity before having consensual sex is better than walking up to
a stranger in a bar and proceeding to have relations with no valid proof of the intent of the person. Muhammad wins. ~ Fatihah
If they don't want to be killed then they have to subdue to the Islamic laws. - Uncung
Without God, you are lower than sh!t. ~ SpiritandTruth
Vox_Veritas
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6/27/2015 10:27:21 AM
Posted: 1 year ago
WARNING: Huffington Post is cited in the OP; please ignore.
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DanneJeRusse
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6/27/2015 10:52:10 AM
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At 6/27/2015 10:27:21 AM, Vox_Veritas wrote:
WARNING: Huffington Post is cited in the OP; please ignore.

You can read about it elsewhere, then. There's plenty of articles just like that one.

"In the war for marriage equality, Huckabee is the lonely Japanese soldier dutifully defending his island bunker years after the last shots were fired. He just doesn't know it yet."

http://www.motherjones.com...
Marrying a 6 year old and waiting until she reaches puberty and maturity before having consensual sex is better than walking up to
a stranger in a bar and proceeding to have relations with no valid proof of the intent of the person. Muhammad wins. ~ Fatihah
If they don't want to be killed then they have to subdue to the Islamic laws. - Uncung
Without God, you are lower than sh!t. ~ SpiritandTruth
Vox_Veritas
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6/27/2015 10:53:39 AM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 6/27/2015 10:52:10 AM, DanneJeRusse wrote:
At 6/27/2015 10:27:21 AM, Vox_Veritas wrote:
WARNING: Huffington Post is cited in the OP; please ignore.

You can read about it elsewhere, then. There's plenty of articles just like that one.

"In the war for marriage equality, Huckabee is the lonely Japanese soldier dutifully defending his island bunker years after the last shots were fired. He just doesn't know it yet."

http://www.motherjones.com...

Another Liberal website, apparently.
WARNING: Please ignore article.
Call me Vox, the Resident Contrarian of debate.org.

The DDO Blog:
https://debatedotorg.wordpress.com...

#drinkthecoffeenotthekoolaid
DanneJeRusse
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6/27/2015 10:56:10 AM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 6/27/2015 10:53:39 AM, Vox_Veritas wrote:
At 6/27/2015 10:52:10 AM, DanneJeRusse wrote:
At 6/27/2015 10:27:21 AM, Vox_Veritas wrote:
WARNING: Huffington Post is cited in the OP; please ignore.

You can read about it elsewhere, then. There's plenty of articles just like that one.

"In the war for marriage equality, Huckabee is the lonely Japanese soldier dutifully defending his island bunker years after the last shots were fired. He just doesn't know it yet."

http://www.motherjones.com...

Another Liberal website, apparently.
WARNING: Please ignore article.

LOL. In other words, ignore the mountain of articles written and yet to be written about the last stand of Custer... or should I say Huckabee?

How's that going to work?
Marrying a 6 year old and waiting until she reaches puberty and maturity before having consensual sex is better than walking up to
a stranger in a bar and proceeding to have relations with no valid proof of the intent of the person. Muhammad wins. ~ Fatihah
If they don't want to be killed then they have to subdue to the Islamic laws. - Uncung
Without God, you are lower than sh!t. ~ SpiritandTruth
wsmunit7
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6/27/2015 10:58:33 AM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 6/27/2015 10:27:21 AM, Vox_Veritas wrote:
WARNING: Huffington Post is cited in the OP; please ignore.

Well, it is certainly NOT CNS, Fox, Or Newsmax.
Vox_Veritas
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6/27/2015 11:00:44 AM
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At 6/27/2015 10:56:10 AM, DanneJeRusse wrote:
At 6/27/2015 10:53:39 AM, Vox_Veritas wrote:
At 6/27/2015 10:52:10 AM, DanneJeRusse wrote:
At 6/27/2015 10:27:21 AM, Vox_Veritas wrote:
WARNING: Huffington Post is cited in the OP; please ignore.

You can read about it elsewhere, then. There's plenty of articles just like that one.

"In the war for marriage equality, Huckabee is the lonely Japanese soldier dutifully defending his island bunker years after the last shots were fired. He just doesn't know it yet."

http://www.motherjones.com...

Another Liberal website, apparently.
WARNING: Please ignore article.

LOL. In other words, ignore the mountain of articles written and yet to be written about the last stand of Custer... or should I say Huckabee?

How's that going to work?

Because virtually all of the news is Liberal; before you complain about Fox I just visited their website and I only saw a few articles (they looked quite mild and non-inflammatory, in fact) on the Obergefell vs. Hodge ruling.
Call me Vox, the Resident Contrarian of debate.org.

The DDO Blog:
https://debatedotorg.wordpress.com...

#drinkthecoffeenotthekoolaid
wsmunit7
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6/27/2015 11:00:51 AM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 6/27/2015 10:53:39 AM, Vox_Veritas wrote:
At 6/27/2015 10:52:10 AM, DanneJeRusse wrote:
At 6/27/2015 10:27:21 AM, Vox_Veritas wrote:
WARNING: Huffington Post is cited in the OP; please ignore.

You can read about it elsewhere, then. There's plenty of articles just like that one.

"In the war for marriage equality, Huckabee is the lonely Japanese soldier dutifully defending his island bunker years after the last shots were fired. He just doesn't know it yet."

http://www.motherjones.com...

Another Liberal website, apparently.
WARNING: Please ignore article.

"Ignore" as in "Please remain ignorant"?
wsmunit7
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6/27/2015 11:03:16 AM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 6/27/2015 11:00:44 AM, Vox_Veritas wrote:
At 6/27/2015 10:56:10 AM, DanneJeRusse wrote:
At 6/27/2015 10:53:39 AM, Vox_Veritas wrote:
At 6/27/2015 10:52:10 AM, DanneJeRusse wrote:
At 6/27/2015 10:27:21 AM, Vox_Veritas wrote:
WARNING: Huffington Post is cited in the OP; please ignore.

You can read about it elsewhere, then. There's plenty of articles just like that one.

"In the war for marriage equality, Huckabee is the lonely Japanese soldier dutifully defending his island bunker years after the last shots were fired. He just doesn't know it yet."

http://www.motherjones.com...

Another Liberal website, apparently.
WARNING: Please ignore article.

LOL. In other words, ignore the mountain of articles written and yet to be written about the last stand of Custer... or should I say Huckabee?

How's that going to work?

Because virtually all of the news is Liberal; before you complain about Fox I just visited their website and I only saw a few articles (they looked quite mild and non-inflammatory, in fact) on the Obergefell vs. Hodge ruling.

I have read several articles about Fox News losing viewership because of their ultra right wing views, and they have decided to tone down the rhetoric.
DanneJeRusse
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6/27/2015 11:08:00 AM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 6/27/2015 11:00:44 AM, Vox_Veritas wrote:
At 6/27/2015 10:56:10 AM, DanneJeRusse wrote:
At 6/27/2015 10:53:39 AM, Vox_Veritas wrote:
At 6/27/2015 10:52:10 AM, DanneJeRusse wrote:
At 6/27/2015 10:27:21 AM, Vox_Veritas wrote:
WARNING: Huffington Post is cited in the OP; please ignore.

You can read about it elsewhere, then. There's plenty of articles just like that one.

"In the war for marriage equality, Huckabee is the lonely Japanese soldier dutifully defending his island bunker years after the last shots were fired. He just doesn't know it yet."

http://www.motherjones.com...

Another Liberal website, apparently.
WARNING: Please ignore article.

LOL. In other words, ignore the mountain of articles written and yet to be written about the last stand of Custer... or should I say Huckabee?

How's that going to work?

Because virtually all of the news is Liberal

What does that mean, exactly?

; before you complain about Fox I just visited their website and I only saw a few articles (they looked quite mild and non-inflammatory, in fact) on the Obergefell vs. Hodge ruling.

Is FOX Liberal, too?

http://www.foxnews.com...
Marrying a 6 year old and waiting until she reaches puberty and maturity before having consensual sex is better than walking up to
a stranger in a bar and proceeding to have relations with no valid proof of the intent of the person. Muhammad wins. ~ Fatihah
If they don't want to be killed then they have to subdue to the Islamic laws. - Uncung
Without God, you are lower than sh!t. ~ SpiritandTruth