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6/28/2015 11:00:11 AM
Posted: 1 year ago
So recently I've been studying religious and secular beliefs. I want to know if I got the general view of atheists correctly so please don't hesitate to tell me if I've got a mistake.

Why are their atheists?

Reason 1. Chance.

Well lets be generous and assume that possibility of God's existence is 50% so the safer choice would obviously bel to be religious but there are 19 main religions so they all share the 50% making it a 2.63% chance that your religion is correct nit to mention the sub religions and cults that's a 50% chance for atheists to be wrong but a 97.37& chance that your religion is wrong so being an atheist is now the safer choice.

Reason 2. Questions.

As a Christian I can tell you that there are multiple unanswered questions I have like q Heaven like?, Does prayer actually work ? etc. On the other hand atheists rarely have questions that's answer is something to do with religion, in fact the most asked questions Christians have can be answered I'll give you three examples If there is no God why is there morality? Basically if you knew for 100% that God was false would you honestly kill and rape? If Yes then your just an A hole if no then congratulations you know why atheists have morals. If God doesn't exist then how did the universe come to be? There are multiple theories but most atheists would say the Big Bang Theory. Now if you know anything about the Big Bang you'd say that God created the singular objects that expanded but do keep in mind that there are two big bang theories the secular Big Bang and the Theistic Big Bang. If God isn't real then why is universe is so fined tuned? Basically the universe isn't fine tuned just our Earth is or at least close to being fine tuned. And there are 2 reasons why. 1. The universe is infinite in size and because of the law of infinite probability that means at least one planet will have life no luck or creator needed. 2. The universe is constantly expanding so since the universe has been around 13.77 billion years and the universe is constantly changing it was only a matter of time that life happened.

Why do atheists have little moral?

Well it's just a matter of perspective. For Christians porn is wrong, gay marriage is wrong, prostitution is wrong, sex without marriage is wrong etc. But for atheists that's all permitted so why does their morality seem to be lacking? Well, I realized that the only reason we think those things are wrong is because God thinks they are wrong and atheists don't believe in God and their philosophy goes a little like this " If it doesn't harm you or any other living being then it's none of your business." And if you see the world using the lens of sciences then atheists philosophy isn't that wrong.

Why are there anti-theists?

Well imagine for a minute that God isn't real like how atheists see the world and there are billions of people going to church 1 hour every week and donating 10% of their hard earned money meaning billions of hours are wasted and around 117 billion dollars. Also if you know that God isn't real and that people are wasting time and money wouldn't you try to knock some sense into those religious people?

I hope I understood and explained it atheism correctly and help theist understand. Side note: We did not evolve from monkeys we evolved from the same ancestor and yes they are extinct.
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6/28/2015 11:15:42 AM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 6/28/2015 11:00:11 AM, ClashnBoom wrote:
So recently I've been studying religious and secular beliefs. I want to know if I got the general view of atheists correctly so please don't hesitate to tell me if I've got a mistake.

Why are their atheists?

Reason 1. Chance.

Well lets be generous and assume that possibility of God's existence is 50% so the safer choice would obviously bel to be religious but there are 19 main religions so they all share the 50% making it a 2.63% chance that your religion is correct nit to mention the sub religions and cults that's a 50% chance for atheists to be wrong but a 97.37& chance that your religion is wrong so being an atheist is now the safer choice.

Atheists do not God exists for a multitude of reasons, different atheists disbelieve for different reasons. Similarly to theists, who have different reasons for believe in God - a Muslim will believe for different reasons to a idealistic pantheist etc.

So while while this is one valid initial reason for disbelieving one's religion, it is not:
1. Substantive
2. True for all, or even the majority of atheists

It is virtually impossible to generalise atheists, as it is virtually impossibe to generalise any other group (including Christians) except by what they are defined. So I don't have much hope that the next few points are going to be substantive either.

Reason 2. Questions.

As a Christian I can tell you that there are multiple unanswered questions I have like q Heaven like?, Does prayer actually work ? etc. On the other hand atheists rarely have questions that's answer is something to do with religion, in fact the most asked questions Christians have can be answered I'll give you three examples If there is no God why is there morality? Basically if you knew for 100% that God was false would you honestly kill and rape? If Yes then your just an A hole if no then congratulations you know why atheists have morals. If God doesn't exist then how did the universe come to be? There are multiple theories but most atheists would say the Big Bang Theory. Now if you know anything about the Big Bang you'd say that God created the singular objects that expanded but do keep in mind that there are two big bang theories the secular Big Bang and the Theistic Big Bang. If God isn't real then why is universe is so fined tuned? Basically the universe isn't fine tuned just our Earth is or at least close to being fine tuned. And there are 2 reasons why. 1. The universe is infinite in size and because of the law of infinite probability that means at least one planet will have life no luck or creator needed. 2. The universe is constantly expanding so since the universe has been around 13.77 billion years and the universe is constantly changing it was only a matter of time that life happened.

Heard of Buddhists? They are atheists and they will ahve different answers to all of those questions to what I have, and what you posited. Atheism =/= scientism/metaphysical naturalism/empiricism/etc. etc.

The majority of atheists probably do not even understand cosmology, nor evolution. true that most atheists you find on internet forums will generally advocate for that, but you have a biased selection of atheists on those mediums.

Why do atheists have little moral?

Well it's just a matter of perspective.

For Christians porn is wrong,

Not necessarily.

gay marriage is wrong,

Not necessarily.

prostitution is wrong,

Not necessarily.

sex without marriage is wrong etc.

Not necessarily.

See where I am going with this? Christians have a plethora of beliefs within their spectrum - if Christians were against gay marriage then there why are the majority of Americans in favor of it despite the fact that the majority of Americans are Christians? Not to mention other religious groups too.

If there is this much variation within an organised religion, then why should we expect atheists to have any less diversity?

But for atheists that's all permitted so why does their morality seem to be lacking?

Atheism =/= nihilism.

Well, I realized that the only reason we think those things are wrong is because God thinks they are wrong and atheists don't believe in God and their philosophy goes a little like this " If it doesn't harm you or any other living being then it's none of your business." And if you see the world using the lens of sciences then atheists philosophy isn't that wrong.

Not necessarily. (see what I did there?)

Why are there anti-theists?

Well imagine for a minute that God isn't real like how atheists see the world and there are billions of people going to church 1 hour every week and donating 10% of their hard earned money meaning billions of hours are wasted and around 117 billion dollars. Also if you know that God isn't real and that people are wasting time and money wouldn't you try to knock some sense into those religious people?

True for some anti theists, the larger objection is usually effect on society, social stigmatisation, the enforcement of theocratic values (such as a ban on same sex marriage) on those who do not accept them, etc.

I hope I understood and explained it atheism correctly and help theist understand. Side note: We did not evolve from monkeys we evolved from the same ancestor and yes they are extinct.
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6/28/2015 11:43:39 AM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 6/28/2015 11:00:11 AM, ClashnBoom wrote:
So recently I've been studying religious and secular beliefs. I want to know if I got the general view of atheists correctly so please don't hesitate to tell me if I've got a mistake.

You seem like you are genuinely interested, so I will do my best to enlighten you as to what those who think like me (agnostic atheists) believe.


Why are their atheists?

In both of your reasons, you do not clearly establish why the majority of atheists come to the conclusion that it is very unlikely that a god exists. The most common reason is that people study into the world around them as well as their own theology, and come to the conclusion that a god is not necessary to bring the world about. They then realize that religions have not met their burden of proof. Seeing this, the person will simply abandon their religion.

Reason 1. Chance.

Well lets be generous and assume that possibility of God's existence is 50% so the safer choice would obviously bel to be religious but there are 19 main religions so they all share the 50% making it a 2.63% chance that your religion is correct nit to mention the sub religions and cults that's a 50% chance for atheists to be wrong but a 97.37& chance that your religion is wrong so being an atheist is now the safer choice.


I will be honest with you, the vast majority of agnostic atheists believe that the chances of a god existing is far less then 50%, due to the lack of evidence for such a deity. But assuming that the 50% statistic is true, your calculations above are still a bit incorrect. Myself as well as many other agnostic atheists believe that all existing religions hold equivalent legitimacy, regardless of how many people believe them. Adherents.com estimates that around 4300 distinct religions exist in the world. So assuming that the 50% statistic is correct, each individual religion has around a 0.01163% chance of being correct.


Reason 2. Questions.

As a Christian I can tell you that there are multiple unanswered questions I have like q Heaven like?, Does prayer actually work ? etc. On the other hand atheists rarely have questions that's answer is something to do with religion, in fact the most asked questions Christians have can be answered I'll give you three examples If there is no God why is there morality? Basically if you knew for 100% that God was false would you honestly kill and rape? If Yes then your just an A hole if no then congratulations you know why atheists have morals.

Thank you for not assuming that without a deity we would go around murdering. You have clearly put a lot of thought into this post, rather then just making an attempt to bolster the faith of the already pious.

If God doesn't exist then how did the universe come to be? There are multiple theories but most atheists would say the Big Bang Theory. Now if you know anything about the Big Bang you'd say that God created the singular objects that expanded but do keep in mind that there are two big bang theories the secular Big Bang and the Theistic Big Bang.

No intellectually honest atheist will claim to be certain about where the universe came from, but you are correct in your statement that the majority of us subscribe to the Big Bang Theory.

If God isn't real then why is universe is so fined tuned? Basically the universe isn't fine tuned just our Earth is or at least close to being fine tuned. And there are 2 reasons why. 1. The universe is infinite in size and because of the law of infinite probability that means at least one planet will have life no luck or creator needed. 2. The universe is constantly expanding so since the universe has been around 13.77 billion years and the universe is constantly changing it was only a matter of time that life happened.

This is a relatively good representation of our arguments, and does warrant much correction.

Why do atheists have little moral?

I wouldn't say we have less morality, just different morality.


Well it's just a matter of perspective. For Christians porn is wrong, gay marriage is wrong, prostitution is wrong, sex without marriage is wrong etc. But for atheists that's all permitted so why does their morality seem to be lacking? Well, I realized that the only reason we think those things are wrong is because God thinks they are wrong and atheists don't believe in God and their philosophy goes a little like this " If it doesn't harm you or any other living being then it's none of your business." And if you see the world using the lens of sciences then atheists philosophy isn't that wrong.

This is a relatively accurate representation of why atheists and theists have such vastly different moral codes. You have clearly done good research on this topic.



Why are there anti-theists?

Well imagine for a minute that God isn't real like how atheists see the world and there are billions of people going to church 1 hour every week and donating 10% of their hard earned money meaning billions of hours are wasted and around 117 billion dollars. Also if you know that God isn't real and that people are wasting time and money wouldn't you try to knock some sense into those religious people?


Although I do not identify as an anti-theist, I can see that the reasoning you have offered is not all of the reason they exist. The primary reason that anti-theists exist is because atheists see that governmental and social policy are being negatively affected by religion's influence. These atheists then decide that the best way to get rid of this influence is to oppose the religion, becoming anti-theists. I personally do not agree with this worldview, because although I believe that religion is having a negative impact on the world, I believe the best way to fix the issue is to educate the pious about why they should not bring their religion beliefs into policy making, rather then trying to take away something that they may enjoy about their lives.

I hope I understood and explained it atheism correctly and help theist understand.

You were very close to the truth, and I corrected you on the very few points you were off in. You have obviously put time and effort into your research, and I appreciate your efforts to educate people about those who think like me.

Side note: We did not evolve from monkeys we evolved from the same ancestor and yes they are extinct.

Pretty much
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6/28/2015 11:44:20 AM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 6/28/2015 11:43:39 AM, joetheripper117 wrote:
At 6/28/2015 11:00:11 AM, ClashnBoom wrote:
So recently I've been studying religious and secular beliefs. I want to know if I got the general view of atheists correctly so please don't hesitate to tell me if I've got a mistake.

You seem like you are genuinely interested, so I will do my best to enlighten you as to what those who think like me (agnostic atheists) believe.


Why are their atheists?

In both of your reasons, you do not clearly establish why the majority of atheists come to the conclusion that it is very unlikely that a god exists. The most common reason is that people study into the world around them as well as their own theology, and come to the conclusion that a god is not necessary to bring the world about. They then realize that religions have not met their burden of proof. Seeing this, the person will simply abandon their religion.

Reason 1. Chance.

Well lets be generous and assume that possibility of God's existence is 50% so the safer choice would obviously bel to be religious but there are 19 main religions so they all share the 50% making it a 2.63% chance that your religion is correct nit to mention the sub religions and cults that's a 50% chance for atheists to be wrong but a 97.37& chance that your religion is wrong so being an atheist is now the safer choice.


I will be honest with you, the vast majority of agnostic atheists believe that the chances of a god existing is far less then 50%, due to the lack of evidence for such a deity. But assuming that the 50% statistic is true, your calculations above are still a bit incorrect. Myself as well as many other agnostic atheists believe that all existing religions hold equivalent legitimacy, regardless of how many people believe them. Adherents.com estimates that around 4300 distinct religions exist in the world. So assuming that the 50% statistic is correct, each individual religion has around a 0.01163% chance of being correct.


Reason 2. Questions.

As a Christian I can tell you that there are multiple unanswered questions I have like q Heaven like?, Does prayer actually work ? etc. On the other hand atheists rarely have questions that's answer is something to do with religion, in fact the most asked questions Christians have can be answered I'll give you three examples If there is no God why is there morality? Basically if you knew for 100% that God was false would you honestly kill and rape? If Yes then your just an A hole if no then congratulations you know why atheists have morals.

Thank you for not assuming that without a deity we would go around murdering. You have clearly put a lot of thought into this post, rather then just making an attempt to bolster the faith of the already pious.

If God doesn't exist then how did the universe come to be? There are multiple theories but most atheists would say the Big Bang Theory. Now if you know anything about the Big Bang you'd say that God created the singular objects that expanded but do keep in mind that there are two big bang theories the secular Big Bang and the Theistic Big Bang.

No intellectually honest atheist will claim to be certain about where the universe came from, but you are correct in your statement that the majority of us subscribe to the Big Bang Theory.

If God isn't real then why is universe is so fined tuned? Basically the universe isn't fine tuned just our Earth is or at least close to being fine tuned. And there are 2 reasons why. 1. The universe is infinite in size and because of the law of infinite probability that means at least one planet will have life no luck or creator needed. 2. The universe is constantly expanding so since the universe has been around 13.77 billion years and the universe is constantly changing it was only a matter of time that life happened.

This is a relatively good representation of our arguments, and does warrant much correction.

Why do atheists have little moral?

I wouldn't say we have less morality, just different morality.


Well it's just a matter of perspective. For Christians porn is wrong, gay marriage is wrong, prostitution is wrong, sex without marriage is wrong etc. But for atheists that's all permitted so why does their morality seem to be lacking? Well, I realized that the only reason we think those things are wrong is because God thinks they are wrong and atheists don't believe in God and their philosophy goes a little like this " If it doesn't harm you or any other living being then it's none of your business." And if you see the world using the lens of sciences then atheists philosophy isn't that wrong.

This is a relatively accurate representation of why atheists and theists have such vastly different moral codes. You have clearly done good research on this topic.



Why are there anti-theists?

Well imagine for a minute that God isn't real like how atheists see the world and there are billions of people going to church 1 hour every week and donating 10% of their hard earned money meaning billions of hours are wasted and around 117 billion dollars. Also if you know that God isn't real and that people are wasting time and money wouldn't you try to knock some sense into those religious people?


Although I do not identify as an anti-theist, I can see that the reasoning you have offered is not all of the reason they exist. The primary reason that anti-theists exist is because atheists see that governmental and social policy are being negatively affected by religion's influence. These atheists then decide that the best way to get rid of this influence is to oppose the religion, becoming anti-theists. I personally do not agree with this worldview, because although I believe that religion is having a negative impact on the world, I believe the best way to fix the issue is to educate the pious about why they should not bring their religion beliefs into policy making, rather then trying to take away something that they may enjoy about their lives.

I hope I understood and explained it atheism correctly and help theist understand.

You were very close to the truth, and I corrected you on the very few points you were off in. You have obviously put time and effort into your research, and I appreciate your efforts to educate people about those who think like me.

Side note: We did not evolve from monkeys we evolved from the same ancestor and yes they are extinct.

Pretty much

Keep in mind though, I do not speak for all of those who think as I do.
"By all means let's be open-minded, but not so open-minded that our brains drop out."
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"The onus is on you to say why; the onus is not on the rest of us to say why not."
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6/28/2015 2:55:20 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 6/28/2015 11:00:11 AM, ClashnBoom wrote:
So recently I've been studying religious and secular beliefs. I want to know if I got the general view of atheists correctly so please don't hesitate to tell me if I've got a mistake.

Why are their atheists?

Reason 1. Chance.

Well lets be generous and assume that possibility of God's existence is 50% so the safer choice would obviously bel to be religious but there are 19 main religions so they all share the 50% making it a 2.63% chance that your religion is correct nit to mention the sub religions and cults that's a 50% chance for atheists to be wrong but a 97.37& chance that your religion is wrong so being an atheist is now the safer choice.

I don't think most atheists see it this way. First of all this whole idea is incorrect. We don't determine the odds of something being true merely based on the number of options we can think of. Determining probability requires data on the number of times X has been identified as the answer vs the number of instances. When dealing with the question of a God we have no such data to even begin to make a probability assessment, which is of course the problem because that is how we come to determine whether something is likely (aka reasonable to believe).

Reason 2. Questions.

As a Christian I can tell you that there are multiple unanswered questions I have like q Heaven like?, Does prayer actually work ? etc. On the other hand atheists rarely have questions that's answer is something to do with religion, in fact the most asked questions Christians have can be answered I'll give you three examples If there is no God why is there morality? Basically if you knew for 100% that God was false would you honestly kill and rape? If Yes then your just an A hole if no then congratulations you know why atheists have morals. If God doesn't exist then how did the universe come to be? There are multiple theories but most atheists would say the Big Bang Theory. Now if you know anything about the Big Bang you'd say that God created the singular objects that expanded but do keep in mind that there are two big bang theories the secular Big Bang and the Theistic Big Bang. If God isn't real then why is universe is so fined tuned? Basically the universe isn't fine tuned just our Earth is or at least close to being fine tuned. And there are 2 reasons why. 1. The universe is infinite in size and because of the law of infinite probability that means at least one planet will have life no luck or creator needed. 2. The universe is constantly expanding so since the universe has been around 13.77 billion years and the universe is constantly changing it was only a matter of time that life happened.

Questions are irrelevant. If you don't know the answer to a question then guess what... You don't know the answer. By filling in the blank with "God" you are contradicting yourself because you are basically saying "I don't know therefore I do". Atheists tend to understand this and have no qualms about being intellectually honest and stopping at "I don't know".

Why do atheists have little moral?

Well it's just a matter of perspective. For Christians porn is wrong, gay marriage is wrong, prostitution is wrong, sex without marriage is wrong etc. But for atheists that's all permitted so why does their morality seem to be lacking? Well, I realized that the only reason we think those things are wrong is because God thinks they are wrong and atheists don't believe in God and their philosophy goes a little like this " If it doesn't harm you or any other living being then it's none of your business." And if you see the world using the lens of sciences then atheists philosophy isn't that wrong.

Well first of all there is no such thing as "atheist philosophy", but for the most part you have it right here. Right and wrong in the end simply boil down to your opinion. If you have determined that God is good (an opinion) then whatever he says will follow. Atheists tend to use their own nature to guide them. Why is slavery bad? Well... Do you want to be enslaved? Ok then.

Why are there anti-theists?

Well imagine for a minute that God isn't real like how atheists see the world and there are billions of people going to church 1 hour every week and donating 10% of their hard earned money meaning billions of hours are wasted and around 117 billion dollars. Also if you know that God isn't real and that people are wasting time and money wouldn't you try to knock some sense into those religious people?

Yep, that's pretty much it. Not to mention all of the people in our history killed in the name of some God (9/11 ring a bell?) hence the saying "if you can get people to believe absurdities you can get them to commit atrocities". Then there's all of the families and friendships that have been destroyed by religious dogma...
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6/28/2015 4:54:38 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 6/28/2015 11:00:11 AM, ClashnBoom wrote:
So recently I've been studying religious and secular beliefs. I want to know if I got the general view of atheists correctly so please don't hesitate to tell me if I've got a mistake.

Why are their atheists?

Reason 1. Chance.

Well lets be generous and assume that possibility of God's existence is 50% so the safer choice would obviously bel to be religious but there are 19 main religions so they all share the 50% making it a 2.63% chance that your religion is correct nit to mention the sub religions and cults that's a 50% chance for atheists to be wrong but a 97.37& chance that your religion is wrong so being an atheist is now the safer choice.

Your math is incorrect. One religions chance of being correct does not effect anothers religion. If there is one red marble and one blue marble in a bag, if 50 people draw out a blue marble, the 51st person will have a 50/50 chance to draw a red one.


Reason 2. Questions.

As a Christian I can tell you that there are multiple unanswered questions I have like q Heaven like?, Does prayer actually work ? etc. On the other hand atheists rarely have questions that's answer is something to do with religion, in fact the most asked questions Christians have can be answered I'll give you three examples If there is no God why is there morality? Basically if you knew for 100% that God was false would you honestly kill and rape? If Yes then your just an A hole if no then congratulations you know why atheists have morals. If God doesn't exist then how did the universe come to be? There are multiple theories but most atheists would say the Big Bang Theory. Now if you know anything about the Big Bang you'd say that God created the singular objects that expanded but do keep in mind that there are two big bang theories the secular Big Bang and the Theistic Big Bang. If God isn't real then why is universe is so fined tuned? Basically the universe isn't fine tuned just our Earth is or at least close to being fine tuned. And there are 2 reasons why. 1. The universe is infinite in size and because of the law of infinite probability that means at least one planet will have life no luck or creator needed. 2. The universe is constantly expanding so since the universe has been around 13.77 billion years and the universe is constantly changing it was only a matter of time that life happened.

Why do atheists have little moral?

Well it's just a matter of perspective. For Christians porn is wrong, gay marriage is wrong, prostitution is wrong, sex without marriage is wrong etc. But for atheists that's all permitted so why does their morality seem to be lacking? Well, I realized that the only reason we think those things are wrong is because God thinks they are wrong and atheists don't believe in God and their philosophy goes a little like this " If it doesn't harm you or any other living being then it's none of your business." And if you see the world using the lens of sciences then atheists philosophy isn't that wrong.


Why are there anti-theists?

Well imagine for a minute that God isn't real like how atheists see the world and there are billions of people going to church 1 hour every week and donating 10% of their hard earned money meaning billions of hours are wasted and around 117 billion dollars. Also if you know that God isn't real and that people are wasting time and money wouldn't you try to knock some sense into those religious people?

I hope I understood and explained it atheism correctly and help theist understand. Side note: We did not evolve from monkeys we evolved from the same ancestor and yes they are extinct.
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6/30/2015 2:26:07 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
Hi ClashnBoom,

You asked: Why are there atheists?

There are atheists because there are theists.

If there were no theists there would be no atheists.

Peace.
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6/30/2015 5:39:58 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 6/28/2015 11:00:11 AM, ClashnBoom wrote:
So recently I've been studying religious and secular beliefs. I want to know if I got the general view of atheists correctly so please don't hesitate to tell me if I've got a mistake.

Why are their atheists?

Reason 1. Chance.

Well lets be generous and assume that possibility of God's existence is 50% so the safer choice would obviously bel to be religious but there are 19 main religions so they all share the 50% making it a 2.63% chance that your religion is correct nit to mention the sub religions and cults that's a 50% chance for atheists to be wrong but a 97.37& chance that your religion is wrong so being an atheist is now the safer choice.

Reason 2. Questions.

As a Christian I can tell you that there are multiple unanswered questions I have like q Heaven like?, Does prayer actually work ? etc. On the other hand atheists rarely have questions that's answer is something to do with religion, in fact the most asked questions Christians have can be answered I'll give you three examples If there is no God why is there morality?
Because of evolutionary dispositions.

Basically if you knew for 100% that God was false would you honestly kill and rape? If Yes then your just an A hole if no then congratulations you know why atheists have morals. If God doesn't exist then how did the universe come to be? There are multiple theories but most atheists would say the Big Bang Theory. Now if you know anything about the Big Bang you'd say that God created the singular objects
How do you know that?

that expanded but do keep in mind that there are two big bang theories the secular Big Bang and the Theistic Big Bang.
The difference is...? God has been pulling space apart in the past?

If God isn't real then why is universe is so fined tuned? Basically the universe isn't fine tuned just our Earth is or at least close to being fine tuned. And there are 2 reasons why. 1. The universe is infinite in size
How do you know that?

and because of the law of infinite probability that means at least one planet will have life no luck or creator needed. 2. The universe is constantly expanding so since the universe has been around 13.77 billion years and the universe is constantly changing it was only a matter of time that life happened.

Why do atheists have little moral?

Well it's just a matter of perspective. For Christians porn is wrong, gay marriage is wrong, prostitution is wrong, sex without marriage is wrong etc. But for atheists that's all permitted
Generalizations like that are never a good idea.

so why does their morality seem to be lacking? Well, I realized that the only reason we think those things are wrong is because God thinks they are wrong and atheists don't believe in God and their philosophy goes a little like this " If it doesn't harm you or any other living being then it's none of your business."
That is a slight misrepresentation of ~3 centuries of metaphysics-free ethics. And with slight I mean big.
When was the last time you read on secular ethics? With that I don't mean some random opinionated blog post on the internet.

And if you see the world using the lens of sciences then atheists philosophy isn't that wrong.
What exactly has science to do with ethics?

Why are there anti-theists?

Well imagine for a minute that God isn't real like how atheists see the world and there are billions of people going to church 1 hour every week and donating 10% of their hard earned money meaning billions of hours are wasted and around 117 billion dollars. Also if you know that God isn't real and that people are wasting time and money wouldn't you try to knock some sense into those religious people?
That is not why some people call themselves anti-theists. They see religious folks' ridiculous attempts to influence politics, for example forcing intelligent design into science classes and prohibiting gay marriage. Incredible irrationality paired with power to make yourself heard is what utterly disgusts anti-theists.
Don't pretend like atheists are not giving part of their hard earned money to those in need. https://centreforeffectivealtruism.org...
At least some of them are actually helping people with their money instead of financing pastors.

I hope I understood and explained it atheism correctly and help theist understand. Side note: We did not evolve from monkeys we evolved from the same ancestor and yes they are extinct.
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6/30/2015 6:27:00 PM
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I think you got the internet version down. Even then though, there are plenty of Atheists. I am even starting to see a division within Atheism. I mean, they should only be the philosophy of no "god(s)." Besides that, they can be anything. Yet, i feel their belief in no "god" is stemmed from standing in front of religion. I can sit here right now and make up a logical scenario that a god (non-religious) "could" be one possibility. In this scenario, a true atheist would have to refute what i make up bc they believe in no god. If they accept my scenario as a possibility, they would then be agnostic. I think this is why some people like to call themselves 'agnostic atheists." Really, atheism stemmed from going against religion. It wasn't thought out to the point that we can maybe come up with a new logical conclusion of a god. I feel the atheist that preach 100% no god are now just trying to hold their ground in regards to something they identify with. Now, it has become just like any other religion ... an ego trip. However, there are many brilliant atheists out there ... i do not think humanity at this point can say they are 100% sure either way. To me, the percentage of something more is high. If i add in that this something more was a creation of god/s, it would be closer to 50%. We just don't know. I am purely spiritual, but this also encompasses a lot of meanings. I can also say that i am atheist bc from what we know in the present, we seem to only live once. And, i can say i am agnostic bc i can understand the vastness of what we do not understand ... and, how what we understand today, can change. Religiously ... i just see less percentages of just one religion being right ... i am actually an atheist in this regard. I willingly fight against religion for the sole reason that they are not the only ones that are/could be right ... it is actually a very low percentage to me that a single religion is correct. I have gone on a rant, but my point is ... everyone should see atheism for what it is ... many things. Understanding how it is many things also hints to the overall picture. I really don't think we should have all of these labels. To me, a human is either spiritual or non-spiritual ... that is how simple it is and should be.
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6/30/2015 8:28:10 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 6/28/2015 11:00:11 AM, ClashnBoom wrote:
So recently I've been studying religious and secular beliefs. I want to know if I got the general view of atheists correctly so please don't hesitate to tell me if I've got a mistake.

Why are their atheists?

Reason 1. Chance.

Well lets be generous and assume that possibility of God's existence is 50% so the safer choice would obviously bel to be religious but there are 19 main religions so they all share the 50% making it a 2.63% chance that your religion is correct nit to mention the sub religions and cults that's a 50% chance for atheists to be wrong but a 97.37& chance that your religion is wrong so being an atheist is now the safer choice.


Reason 2. Questions.

As a Christian I can tell you that there are multiple unanswered questions I have like q Heaven like?, Does prayer actually work ? etc. On the other hand atheists rarely have questions that's answer is something to do with religion, in fact the most asked questions Christians have can be answered I'll give you three examples If there is no God why is there morality? Basically if you knew for 100% that God was false would you honestly kill and rape? If Yes then your just an A hole if no then congratulations you know why atheists have morals. If God doesn't exist then how did the universe come to be? There are multiple theories but most atheists would say the Big Bang Theory. Now if you know anything about the Big Bang you'd say that God created the singular objects that expanded but do keep in mind that there are two big bang theories the secular Big Bang and the Theistic Big Bang. If God isn't real then why is universe is so fined tuned? Basically the universe isn't fine tuned just our Earth is or at least close to being fine tuned. And there are 2 reasons why. 1. The universe is infinite in size and because of the law of infinite probability that means at least one planet will have life no luck or creator needed. 2. The universe is constantly expanding so since the universe has been around 13.77 billion years and the universe is constantly changing it was only a matter of time that life happened.

Why do atheists have little moral?

Well it's just a matter of perspective. For Christians porn is wrong, gay marriage is wrong, prostitution is wrong, sex without marriage is wrong etc. But for atheists that's all permitted so why does their morality seem to be lacking? Well, I realized that the only reason we think those things are wrong is because God thinks they are wrong and atheists don't believe in God and their philosophy goes a little like this " If it doesn't harm you or any other living being then it's none of your business." And if you see the world using the lens of sciences then atheists philosophy isn't that wrong.


Why are there anti-theists?

Well imagine for a minute that God isn't real like how atheists see the world and there are billions of people going to church 1 hour every week and donating 10% of their hard earned money meaning billions of hours are wasted and around 117 billion dollars. Also if you know that God isn't real and that people are wasting time and money wouldn't you try to knock some sense into those religious people?

I hope I understood and explained it atheism correctly and help theist understand. Side note: We did not evolve from monkeys we evolved from the same ancestor and yes they are extinct.

HI..my name is Drew. I am an Atheist. Good to meetcha. You mentioned the power of prayer. I don't believe there is any. Except as a placebo effect. Here is why..(this is a past from another post I did.......

If prayer really works, as you Believers claim. And if God truly loves His followers, his most faithful and devout, then why are the most religious countries in the World also the poorest? And endure the lowest quality of life? This dynamic holds true in my country, the USA as well. As the most religious states--who obviously would pray more than the Atheist ones, are also the worse-off. These would obviously be the States in the Deep South.

Conversely, the countries with the highest percentage of Atheists--Sweden, Denmark, Norway; France; Switzerland, enjoy the BEST quality of living.
Same with the "godless" atheist states: Mass; California; other New England states.

So why is your God seemingly NOT helping his most devout? And allowing the godless non-believers to prosper? Why are not their prayers being answered.
I would ask that you not, when answering this, revert to tha old "Well, there are more things to a happy life than money and prosperity."

Because, while that is true, these poor religious countries and states also endure the highest infant-mortality rates and the worst overall health. And healthcare.
So..certainly these people are not just praying for a break from their crushing poverty, but also for health and well-being. Like for their innocent children. These kids must be praying as well!

Why won't your God help his most Devout??

For the poor countries..........http://www.gallup.com......

For the religious/poor States......http://newsfeed.time.com......
Science Flies Us to the Moon. Religion Flies us Into Skyscrapers.