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6/30/2015 5:36:40 AM
Posted: 1 year ago
... Well I was one for nearly 25 years - so I have plenty of practice I think. Go ahead - fire away - for the purposes of this thread I will be a Catholic.

Also, you guys might want to check out my devil's advocate debate with n7:
http://www.debate.org...
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6/30/2015 5:50:50 AM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 6/30/2015 5:36:40 AM, Envisage wrote:
... Well I was one for nearly 25 years - so I have plenty of practice I think. Go ahead - fire away - for the purposes of this thread I will be a Catholic.

Also, you guys might want to check out my devil's advocate debate with n7:
http://www.debate.org...

Good luck. Might I recommend the sacrament of confession? It might help with all those 25 years of denying God exists, and now getting on His good side.
Here we have an advocate for Islamic arranged marriages demonstrating that children can consent to sex.
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6/30/2015 5:54:18 AM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 6/30/2015 5:36:40 AM, Envisage wrote:
... Well I was one for nearly 25 years - so I have plenty of practice I think. Go ahead - fire away - for the purposes of this thread I will be a Catholic.

Also, you guys might want to check out my devil's advocate debate with n7:
http://www.debate.org...

Believing in God is like believing in Santa and fairy tales, why do you believe in fairy tales?

You have no evidence there is any god, you were just indoctrinated and all you have is faith and your silly book.
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6/30/2015 5:54:48 AM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 6/30/2015 5:50:50 AM, FaustianJustice wrote:
At 6/30/2015 5:36:40 AM, Envisage wrote:
... Well I was one for nearly 25 years - so I have plenty of practice I think. Go ahead - fire away - for the purposes of this thread I will be a Catholic.

Also, you guys might want to check out my devil's advocate debate with n7:
http://www.debate.org...


Good luck. Might I recommend the sacrament of confession? It might help with all those 25 years of denying God exists, and now getting on His good side.

I was a catholic for 25 years, lol.
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6/30/2015 5:57:34 AM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 6/30/2015 5:54:48 AM, Envisage wrote:
At 6/30/2015 5:50:50 AM, FaustianJustice wrote:
At 6/30/2015 5:36:40 AM, Envisage wrote:
... Well I was one for nearly 25 years - so I have plenty of practice I think. Go ahead - fire away - for the purposes of this thread I will be a Catholic.

Also, you guys might want to check out my devil's advocate debate with n7:
http://www.debate.org...


Good luck. Might I recommend the sacrament of confession? It might help with all those 25 years of denying God exists, and now getting on His good side.

I was a catholic for 25 years, lol.

Right, but... you (before today) were atheistic, correct? Wouldn't that be 25 years worth of doubt? Suppressing His existence? Seeking but not finding, ignoring His guidance, etc etc and inkblot cliche and so forth?
Here we have an advocate for Islamic arranged marriages demonstrating that children can consent to sex.
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6/30/2015 6:02:03 AM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 6/30/2015 5:57:34 AM, FaustianJustice wrote:
At 6/30/2015 5:54:48 AM, Envisage wrote:
At 6/30/2015 5:50:50 AM, FaustianJustice wrote:
At 6/30/2015 5:36:40 AM, Envisage wrote:
... Well I was one for nearly 25 years - so I have plenty of practice I think. Go ahead - fire away - for the purposes of this thread I will be a Catholic.

Also, you guys might want to check out my devil's advocate debate with n7:
http://www.debate.org...


Good luck. Might I recommend the sacrament of confession? It might help with all those 25 years of denying God exists, and now getting on His good side.

I was a catholic for 25 years, lol.

Right, but... you (before today) were atheistic, correct? Wouldn't that be 25 years worth of doubt? Suppressing His existence? Seeking but not finding, ignoring His guidance, etc etc and inkblot cliche and so forth?

Well, some Catholics hold that once you are a Christian, then you are for life. Since you have been touched by the holy spirit, and possess direct knowledge of God - thus it would make no sense to unknow what is already known.

Thus either:
1. I was never a Christian/Catholic
Or
2. I always have been a Christian/Catholic

Fortunately not all Chrstians share that belief, and neither do I :-p
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6/30/2015 6:09:00 AM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 6/30/2015 5:54:18 AM, EtrnlVw wrote:
At 6/30/2015 5:36:40 AM, Envisage wrote:
... Well I was one for nearly 25 years - so I have plenty of practice I think. Go ahead - fire away - for the purposes of this thread I will be a Catholic.

Also, you guys might want to check out my devil's advocate debate with n7:
http://www.debate.org...

Believing in God is like believing in Santa and fairy tales, why do you believe in fairy tales?

Such beliefs are only superficially similar in that neither are scientific - I.e. Neither are derived natural laws on empirical observation. However not all ontological beliefs about the natural world need be scientific - albeit they may be supported by scientific facts.

For example, virtually everything about your consciousness is not scientific, it's entirely subjective and first person. And proving that it exists is done on purely philosophical grounds (cogito ergo sum). Thus the assumed premise that only beliefs that are scientific are sensible is demonstrably false.

In Christianity we have several reasons for believing it is true:
1. From our historical documents
2. From religious experience and revelation
3. From brute philosophical arguments, and inferences to the best explanation

Many of these overlap the epistemological principles of science, but none are scientific. Even intelligent design arguments are not scientific, but their facts are drawn from scientific facts and inference.

You have no evidence there is any god, you were just indoctrinated and all you have is faith and your silly book.

If you define evidence as "only that which is scientific" - then maybe. But otherwise this is false. And you are making an ad hominem argument/genetic fallacy/appeal to incredulity regarding my indoctrination/use of Bible.
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6/30/2015 9:32:52 AM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 6/30/2015 5:36:40 AM, Envisage wrote:
for the purposes of this thread I will be a Catholic.
How do you like your altar boys?
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6/30/2015 9:54:30 AM
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Do you see any contradiction with an omnibenevolent, omniscient, and omnipotent God that sends people to Hell, as a place of eternal torment?
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6/30/2015 10:48:46 AM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 6/30/2015 6:02:03 AM, Envisage wrote:
At 6/30/2015 5:57:34 AM, FaustianJustice wrote:
At 6/30/2015 5:54:48 AM, Envisage wrote:
At 6/30/2015 5:50:50 AM, FaustianJustice wrote:
At 6/30/2015 5:36:40 AM, Envisage wrote:
... Well I was one for nearly 25 years - so I have plenty of practice I think. Go ahead - fire away - for the purposes of this thread I will be a Catholic.

Also, you guys might want to check out my devil's advocate debate with n7:
http://www.debate.org...


Good luck. Might I recommend the sacrament of confession? It might help with all those 25 years of denying God exists, and now getting on His good side.

I was a catholic for 25 years, lol.

Right, but... you (before today) were atheistic, correct? Wouldn't that be 25 years worth of doubt? Suppressing His existence? Seeking but not finding, ignoring His guidance, etc etc and inkblot cliche and so forth?

Well, some Catholics hold that once you are a Christian, then you are for life. Since you have been touched by the holy spirit, and possess direct knowledge of God - thus it would make no sense to unknow what is already known.

Thus either:
1. I was never a Christian/Catholic
Or
2. I always have been a Christian/Catholic

Fortunately not all Chrstians share that belief, and neither do I :-p

I've never seen any Catholic teaching saying that. Pretty sure it's more along the lines of " once you've know the fullness truth, it will be far worse than for those that never have"
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6/30/2015 11:05:25 AM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 6/30/2015 5:36:40 AM, Envisage wrote:
... Well I was one for nearly 25 years - so I have plenty of practice I think. Go ahead - fire away - for the purposes of this thread I will be a Catholic.

Do you accept evolution or creationism? Do you believe Scriptures is the inerrant word of God even though they were written by men?
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6/30/2015 11:10:20 AM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 6/30/2015 5:54:48 AM, Envisage wrote:
At 6/30/2015 5:50:50 AM, FaustianJustice wrote:
At 6/30/2015 5:36:40 AM, Envisage wrote:
... Well I was one for nearly 25 years - so I have plenty of practice I think. Go ahead - fire away - for the purposes of this thread I will be a Catholic.

Also, you guys might want to check out my devil's advocate debate with n7:
http://www.debate.org...


Good luck. Might I recommend the sacrament of confession? It might help with all those 25 years of denying God exists, and now getting on His good side.

I was a catholic for 25 years, lol.

Huh. I would've sworn CoE or CoS...

Do you find Tolkien's explanation of myth to CS Lewis convincing?
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6/30/2015 11:25:44 AM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 6/30/2015 11:10:20 AM, Geogeer wrote:
At 6/30/2015 5:54:48 AM, Envisage wrote:
At 6/30/2015 5:50:50 AM, FaustianJustice wrote:
At 6/30/2015 5:36:40 AM, Envisage wrote:
... Well I was one for nearly 25 years - so I have plenty of practice I think. Go ahead - fire away - for the purposes of this thread I will be a Catholic.

Also, you guys might want to check out my devil's advocate debate with n7:
http://www.debate.org...


Good luck. Might I recommend the sacrament of confession? It might help with all those 25 years of denying God exists, and now getting on His good side.

I was a catholic for 25 years, lol.

Huh. I would've sworn CoE or CoS...

Nop. My mum was CoE - so that probably made me sympathetic to them. For example the patriarchal church system rubbed me the wrong way.

Do you find Tolkien's explanation of myth to CS Lewis convincing?

I don't know, I will look it up.
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6/30/2015 11:26:57 AM
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At 6/30/2015 11:05:25 AM, DanneJeRusse wrote:
At 6/30/2015 5:36:40 AM, Envisage wrote:
... Well I was one for nearly 25 years - so I have plenty of practice I think. Go ahead - fire away - for the purposes of this thread I will be a Catholic.

Do you accept evolution or creationism?

God-initiated and guided evolution.

Do you believe Scriptures is the inerrant word of God even though they were written by men?

Yep. God had a hand in their production on a spiritual level - like he does all things.
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6/30/2015 11:43:38 AM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 6/30/2015 11:25:44 AM, Envisage wrote:
At 6/30/2015 11:10:20 AM, Geogeer wrote:
At 6/30/2015 5:54:48 AM, Envisage wrote:
At 6/30/2015 5:50:50 AM, FaustianJustice wrote:
At 6/30/2015 5:36:40 AM, Envisage wrote:
... Well I was one for nearly 25 years - so I have plenty of practice I think. Go ahead - fire away - for the purposes of this thread I will be a Catholic.

Also, you guys might want to check out my devil's advocate debate with n7:
http://www.debate.org...


Good luck. Might I recommend the sacrament of confession? It might help with all those 25 years of denying God exists, and now getting on His good side.

I was a catholic for 25 years, lol.

Huh. I would've sworn CoE or CoS...

Nop. My mum was CoE - so that probably made me sympathetic to them. For example the patriarchal church system rubbed me the wrong way.

Do you find Tolkien's explanation of myth to CS Lewis convincing?

I don't know, I will look it up.

http://www.theimaginativeconservative.org...
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6/30/2015 11:46:20 AM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 6/30/2015 10:48:46 AM, jharry wrote:
At 6/30/2015 6:02:03 AM, Envisage wrote:
At 6/30/2015 5:57:34 AM, FaustianJustice wrote:
At 6/30/2015 5:54:48 AM, Envisage wrote:
At 6/30/2015 5:50:50 AM, FaustianJustice wrote:
At 6/30/2015 5:36:40 AM, Envisage wrote:
... Well I was one for nearly 25 years - so I have plenty of practice I think. Go ahead - fire away - for the purposes of this thread I will be a Catholic.

Also, you guys might want to check out my devil's advocate debate with n7:
http://www.debate.org...


Good luck. Might I recommend the sacrament of confession? It might help with all those 25 years of denying God exists, and now getting on His good side.

I was a catholic for 25 years, lol.

Right, but... you (before today) were atheistic, correct? Wouldn't that be 25 years worth of doubt? Suppressing His existence? Seeking but not finding, ignoring His guidance, etc etc and inkblot cliche and so forth?

Well, some Catholics hold that once you are a Christian, then you are for life. Since you have been touched by the holy spirit, and possess direct knowledge of God - thus it would make no sense to unknow what is already known.

Thus either:
1. I was never a Christian/Catholic
Or
2. I always have been a Christian/Catholic

Fortunately not all Chrstians share that belief, and neither do I :-p

I've never seen any Catholic teaching saying that. Pretty sure it's more along the lines of " once you've know the fullness truth, it will be far worse than for those that never have"

I think what Envisage is alluding to is that baptism imparts an indelible mark on the soul. Thus once you've been baptized you are forever a Catholic in nature, but not necessarily in practice.
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6/30/2015 12:19:41 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 6/30/2015 5:36:40 AM, Envisage wrote:
... Well I was one for nearly 25 years - so I have plenty of practice I think. Go ahead - fire away - for the purposes of this thread I will be a Catholic.

Aren't you nearly as atheistic as Richard Dawkins since there are a bajillion gods that neither of you believe in, and he just goes one god farther?

Why do Christians think atheists can't be moral?

If you had been born in Pakistan, do you think you'd be a Catholic? If not, then isn't your being Catholic just an accident of your birth?

If God created everything, then who created God?

Isn't it lazy to say "God did it" every time science hasn't answered a question yet?

How can you believe Jesus existed when the stories about him are obviously just a rehash of other pagan deities?

How can you trust the Bible when it's been translated over and over again?

Does it bother you going to church with a bunch of hypocrites?

Since extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence, why should any of us take your belief in God seriously?

Considering the fact that science flies you to the moon and religion flies you into buildings, isn't science better than religion?

If indulgences are meant to free you from purgatory, doesn't that show that purgatory is unnecessary? Why can't God just grant everybody an indulgence?

What use is Papal infallibility if nobody knows when he's speaking infallibly?

If Mary could've been born without original sin, then why can't we?

If Joseph wasn't really Jesus' father, then how can Jesus really be a descendant of David?

What exactly is holy water, and how does it differ from regular water?

If the bread and wine of the eucharist turn into the body and blood of Jesus, what happens to the bread and wine?

If when Jesus held the bread at the last supper and said, "This is my body," the bread literally became his body, how come when he was giving the bread of life discourse and he said, "I am the bread of life," Jesus didn't literally become a loaf of bread?
"Not to know of what things one should demand demonstration, and of what one should not, argues want of education." ~Aristotle

"It is the mark of an educated mind to be able to entertain a thought without accepting it." ~Aristotle
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6/30/2015 1:28:18 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 6/30/2015 5:36:40 AM, Envisage wrote:
... Well I was one for nearly 25 years - so I have plenty of practice I think. Go ahead - fire away - for the purposes of this thread I will be a Catholic.

Also, you guys might want to check out my devil's advocate debate with n7:
http://www.debate.org...

If prayer really works, as you Believers claim. And if God truly loves His followers, his most faithful and devout, then why are the most religious countries in the World also the poorest? And endure the lowest quality of life? This dynamic holds true in my country, the USA as well. As the most religious states--who obviously would pray more than the Atheist ones, are also the worse-off. These would obviously be the States in the Deep South.

Conversely, the countries with the highest percentage of Atheists--Sweden, Denmark, Norway; France; Switzerland, enjoy the BEST quality of living.
Same with the "godless" atheist states: Mass; California; other New England states.

So why is your God seemingly NOT helping his most devout? And allowing the godless non-believers to prosper? Why are not their prayers being answered.
I would ask that you not, when answering this, revert to tha old "Well, there are more things to a happy life than money and prosperity."

Because, while that is true, these poor religious countries and states also endure the highest infant-mortality rates and the worst overall health. And healthcare.
So..certainly these people are not just praying for a break from their crushing poverty, but also for health and well-being. Like for their innocent children. These kids must be praying as well!

Why won't your God help his most Devout??

For the poor countries..........http://www.gallup.com...

For the religious/poor States......http://newsfeed.time.com...
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6/30/2015 1:46:16 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 6/30/2015 12:19:41 PM, philochristos wrote:
At 6/30/2015 5:36:40 AM, Envisage wrote:
... Well I was one for nearly 25 years - so I have plenty of practice I think. Go ahead - fire away - for the purposes of this thread I will be a Catholic.

Aren't you nearly as atheistic as Richard Dawkins since there are a bajillion gods that neither of you believe in, and he just goes one god farther?

Why do Christians think atheists can't be moral?

If you had been born in Pakistan, do you think you'd be a Catholic? If not, then isn't your being Catholic just an accident of your birth?

If God created everything, then who created God?

Isn't it lazy to say "God did it" every time science hasn't answered a question yet?

How can you believe Jesus existed when the stories about him are obviously just a rehash of other pagan deities?

How can you trust the Bible when it's been translated over and over again?

Does it bother you going to church with a bunch of hypocrites?

Since extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence, why should any of us take your belief in God seriously?

Considering the fact that science flies you to the moon and religion flies you into buildings, isn't science better than religion?

If indulgences are meant to free you from purgatory, doesn't that show that purgatory is unnecessary? Why can't God just grant everybody an indulgence?

What use is Papal infallibility if nobody knows when he's speaking infallibly?

If Mary could've been born without original sin, then why can't we?

If Joseph wasn't really Jesus' father, then how can Jesus really be a descendant of David?

What exactly is holy water, and how does it differ from regular water?

If the bread and wine of the eucharist turn into the body and blood of Jesus, what happens to the bread and wine?

If when Jesus held the bread at the last supper and said, "This is my body," the bread literally became his body, how come when he was giving the bread of life discourse and he said, "I am the bread of life," Jesus didn't literally become a loaf of bread?

OMG Man! He said he was Catholic for a day, not a week!
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6/30/2015 1:48:01 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 6/30/2015 1:46:16 PM, Geogeer wrote:
At 6/30/2015 12:19:41 PM, philochristos wrote:
At 6/30/2015 5:36:40 AM, Envisage wrote:
... Well I was one for nearly 25 years - so I have plenty of practice I think. Go ahead - fire away - for the purposes of this thread I will be a Catholic.

Aren't you nearly as atheistic as Richard Dawkins since there are a bajillion gods that neither of you believe in, and he just goes one god farther?

Why do Christians think atheists can't be moral?

If you had been born in Pakistan, do you think you'd be a Catholic? If not, then isn't your being Catholic just an accident of your birth?

If God created everything, then who created God?

Isn't it lazy to say "God did it" every time science hasn't answered a question yet?

How can you believe Jesus existed when the stories about him are obviously just a rehash of other pagan deities?

How can you trust the Bible when it's been translated over and over again?

Does it bother you going to church with a bunch of hypocrites?

Since extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence, why should any of us take your belief in God seriously?

Considering the fact that science flies you to the moon and religion flies you into buildings, isn't science better than religion?

If indulgences are meant to free you from purgatory, doesn't that show that purgatory is unnecessary? Why can't God just grant everybody an indulgence?

What use is Papal infallibility if nobody knows when he's speaking infallibly?

If Mary could've been born without original sin, then why can't we?

If Joseph wasn't really Jesus' father, then how can Jesus really be a descendant of David?

What exactly is holy water, and how does it differ from regular water?

If the bread and wine of the eucharist turn into the body and blood of Jesus, what happens to the bread and wine?

If when Jesus held the bread at the last supper and said, "This is my body," the bread literally became his body, how come when he was giving the bread of life discourse and he said, "I am the bread of life," Jesus didn't literally become a loaf of bread?

OMG Man! He said he was Catholic for a day, not a week!

That's why I had to cram in so many questions! I knew it wasn't going to last long.

I'll bet you're itching to answer these questions and wishing it was YOUR thread. :-b
"Not to know of what things one should demand demonstration, and of what one should not, argues want of education." ~Aristotle

"It is the mark of an educated mind to be able to entertain a thought without accepting it." ~Aristotle
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6/30/2015 1:58:11 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 6/30/2015 5:36:40 AM, Envisage wrote:
... Well I was one for nearly 25 years - so I have plenty of practice I think. Go ahead - fire away - for the purposes of this thread I will be a Catholic.

Also, you guys might want to check out my devil's advocate debate with n7:
http://www.debate.org...

Are dinosaurs real?
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6/30/2015 1:59:25 PM
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At 6/30/2015 1:48:01 PM, philochristos wrote:
At 6/30/2015 1:46:16 PM, Geogeer wrote:
At 6/30/2015 12:19:41 PM, philochristos wrote:
At 6/30/2015 5:36:40 AM, Envisage wrote:
... Well I was one for nearly 25 years - so I have plenty of practice I think. Go ahead - fire away - for the purposes of this thread I will be a Catholic.

Aren't you nearly as atheistic as Richard Dawkins since there are a bajillion gods that neither of you believe in, and he just goes one god farther?

Why do Christians think atheists can't be moral?

If you had been born in Pakistan, do you think you'd be a Catholic? If not, then isn't your being Catholic just an accident of your birth?

If God created everything, then who created God?

Isn't it lazy to say "God did it" every time science hasn't answered a question yet?

How can you believe Jesus existed when the stories about him are obviously just a rehash of other pagan deities?

How can you trust the Bible when it's been translated over and over again?

Does it bother you going to church with a bunch of hypocrites?

Since extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence, why should any of us take your belief in God seriously?

Considering the fact that science flies you to the moon and religion flies you into buildings, isn't science better than religion?

If indulgences are meant to free you from purgatory, doesn't that show that purgatory is unnecessary? Why can't God just grant everybody an indulgence?

What use is Papal infallibility if nobody knows when he's speaking infallibly?

If Mary could've been born without original sin, then why can't we?

If Joseph wasn't really Jesus' father, then how can Jesus really be a descendant of David?

What exactly is holy water, and how does it differ from regular water?

If the bread and wine of the eucharist turn into the body and blood of Jesus, what happens to the bread and wine?

If when Jesus held the bread at the last supper and said, "This is my body," the bread literally became his body, how come when he was giving the bread of life discourse and he said, "I am the bread of life," Jesus didn't literally become a loaf of bread?

OMG Man! He said he was Catholic for a day, not a week!

That's why I had to cram in so many questions! I knew it wasn't going to last long.

I'll bet you're itching to answer these questions and wishing it was YOUR thread. :-b

Nah not at all. I was just laughing at the size of the list! It is like saying you'd like a hotdog and ending up in a hotdog eating contest with a scrawny Japanese guy...

https://www.youtube.com...
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6/30/2015 2:01:43 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 6/30/2015 1:59:25 PM, Geogeer wrote:
At 6/30/2015 1:48:01 PM, philochristos wrote:

I'll bet you're itching to answer these questions and wishing it was YOUR thread. :-b

Nah not at all. I was just laughing at the size of the list! It is like saying you'd like a hotdog and ending up in a hotdog eating contest with a scrawny Japanese guy...

https://www.youtube.com...

Ugh! That can't be healthy.
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"It is the mark of an educated mind to be able to entertain a thought without accepting it." ~Aristotle
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6/30/2015 2:03:05 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 6/30/2015 2:01:43 PM, philochristos wrote:
At 6/30/2015 1:59:25 PM, Geogeer wrote:
At 6/30/2015 1:48:01 PM, philochristos wrote:

I'll bet you're itching to answer these questions and wishing it was YOUR thread. :-b

Nah not at all. I was just laughing at the size of the list! It is like saying you'd like a hotdog and ending up in a hotdog eating contest with a scrawny Japanese guy...

https://www.youtube.com...

Ugh! That can't be healthy.

That has got to be the understatement of the day!
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6/30/2015 2:08:19 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 6/30/2015 5:36:40 AM, Envisage wrote:
Go ahead - fire away - for the purposes of this thread I will be a Catholic.

The trouble with subscribing to doctrine you're told to believe, is that one already knows what the answers will be, and what the evasions will be when the answers are inane.

It's when people don't believe doctrine that life gets interesting. Heretics are always the more fascinating people, Envisage. I have as much interest in talking to you as a Roman Catholic as I would talking to you as a factory-made gingerbread man (in fact, for existential reasons, I'd have much more interest in the latter.)

I believe I shall imagine you abducted for the day -- or your critical thought at least -- and talk to you instead tomorrow. :)
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6/30/2015 2:59:19 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 6/30/2015 11:26:57 AM, Envisage wrote:
At 6/30/2015 11:05:25 AM, DanneJeRusse wrote:
At 6/30/2015 5:36:40 AM, Envisage wrote:
... Well I was one for nearly 25 years - so I have plenty of practice I think. Go ahead - fire away - for the purposes of this thread I will be a Catholic.

Do you accept evolution or creationism?

God-initiated and guided evolution.

Do you believe Scriptures is the inerrant word of God even though they were written by men?

Yep. God had a hand in their production on a spiritual level - like he does all things.


LOL, now we're getting it! time to come back to abide in the light Envisage!!
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6/30/2015 3:15:39 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 6/30/2015 11:26:57 AM, Envisage wrote:
At 6/30/2015 11:05:25 AM, DanneJeRusse wrote:
At 6/30/2015 5:36:40 AM, Envisage wrote:
... Well I was one for nearly 25 years - so I have plenty of practice I think. Go ahead - fire away - for the purposes of this thread I will be a Catholic.

Do you accept evolution or creationism?

God-initiated and guided evolution.

Doesn't that contradict Genesis?

Do you believe Scriptures is the inerrant word of God even though they were written by men?

Yep. God had a hand in their production on a spiritual level - like he does all things.

Define "spiritual".
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6/30/2015 3:29:13 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 6/30/2015 5:36:40 AM, Envisage wrote:
... Well I was one for nearly 25 years - so I have plenty of practice I think. Go ahead - fire away - for the purposes of this thread I will be a Catholic.

Also, you guys might want to check out my devil's advocate debate with n7:
http://www.debate.org...

Which God is the right one to worship?
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6/30/2015 6:26:56 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 6/30/2015 5:36:40 AM, Envisage wrote:
... Well I was one for nearly 25 years - so I have plenty of practice I think. Go ahead - fire away - for the purposes of this thread I will be a Catholic.

Also, you guys might want to check out my devil's advocate debate with n7:
http://www.debate.org...

1. Why haven't you yet freed your mind of the cult called religion which has indoctrinated you from birth? I mean, clearly you couldn't have come to believe in God by your own free will.
2. God is an evil sky bully. Since you worship God, doesn't that make you an evil land bully?
3. Why are you such a hypocrite?
4. Since you obviously are only capable of doing good deeds because you hope for a reward from God, doesn't that automatically make you an insincere, selfish d**k unlike us altruistic atheists?
5. Does it bother you that the fact that atheists are rich and theists are poor proves your religion wrong?
6. What does it feel like not being a part of the modern world and instead clinging to Bronze-age superstitions?
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