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Homosexuality is NOT Wrong (Pase66 v Fatihah)

Pase66
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7/3/2015 12:05:29 AM
Posted: 1 year ago
Hey there, check out this debate I challenged Fatihah too,
http://www.debate.org....

Hope we can start a discussion here, and I hope Fatihah and I can have an interesting debate.
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RuvDraba
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7/3/2015 1:13:40 AM
Posted: 1 year ago
The hard part I think will be establishing a common moral frame in which to assess and evaluate.

I think 'Good' can be commonly established (or else pathological ideas of good rebutted), but 'incorrect' is tricky because it spans both custom and ethics. Further, all sexuality has consequences that can be beneficial or harmful, so evaluating these things on balance will be a challenge.

Good luck, debaters.
FaustianJustice
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7/3/2015 1:25:34 AM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 7/3/2015 12:05:29 AM, Pase66 wrote:
Hey there, check out this debate I challenged Fatihah too,
http://www.debate.org....

Hope we can start a discussion here, and I hope Fatihah and I can have an interesting debate.

I think your opponent will apply your first rule to not only R5, but R1-4.
Here we have an advocate for Islamic arranged marriages demonstrating that children can consent to sex.
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Double_R
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7/3/2015 9:39:54 AM
Posted: 1 year ago
I was about to reply with my surprise that Fatah is actually willing to engage in a debate... then I saw that he hasn't yet accepted. Meh, he won't. He's not interested in a productive dialog where he would actually be forced to justify his views. All he does is assert that he is right and claim victory.
wsmunit7
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7/3/2015 9:57:19 AM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 7/3/2015 9:39:54 AM, Double_R wrote:
I was about to reply with my surprise that Fatah is actually willing to engage in a debate... then I saw that he hasn't yet accepted. Meh, he won't. He's not interested in a productive dialog where he would actually be forced to justify his views. All he does is assert that he is right and claim victory.

That sounds identical to another person here on DDO who seems to have take a sabbatical starting a few weeks ago. Hmmmmm.
Pase66
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7/3/2015 5:41:25 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 7/3/2015 1:13:40 AM, RuvDraba wrote:
The hard part I think will be establishing a common moral frame in which to assess and evaluate.

I think 'Good' can be commonly established (or else pathological ideas of good rebutted), but 'incorrect' is tricky because it spans both custom and ethics. Further, all sexuality has consequences that can be beneficial or harmful, so evaluating these things on balance will be a challenge.

Good luck, debaters.

Yeah, it will be quite interesting. I hope he accepts, as we've already "discusses" in the forum about this topic, and I thought it would be better if we had a formal debate about it.
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Pase66
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7/3/2015 5:42:28 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 7/3/2015 1:25:34 AM, FaustianJustice wrote:
At 7/3/2015 12:05:29 AM, Pase66 wrote:
Hey there, check out this debate I challenged Fatihah too,
http://www.debate.org....

Hope we can start a discussion here, and I hope Fatihah and I can have an interesting debate.

I think your opponent will apply your first rule to not only R5, but R1-4.

Idk. He hasn't accepted yet, and in the forum he said he would have no problem in a debate...
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Pase66
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7/3/2015 5:43:49 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 7/3/2015 9:39:54 AM, Double_R wrote:
I was about to reply with my surprise that Fatah is actually willing to engage in a debate... then I saw that he hasn't yet accepted. Meh, he won't. He's not interested in a productive dialog where he would actually be forced to justify his views. All he does is assert that he is right and claim victory.

Yeah, i'm dissapointed. He said he could defend his argument in a debate, but he has yet to accept.
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celestialtorahteacher
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7/3/2015 9:45:56 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
It would be more interesting if the debate were about why Judah and Judaism used homophobia to strike back at Greek superior philosophy, science, and literature than the Hebrews produced. Homosexuality was condemned for jealousy reasons more than morality which was never there anyway for Judaism or Pauline Christianity or Muhammadanism that followed the Jewish lead. Homer was far more popular than the Torah/Tanakh writers and of course the world owes to Greece the origins of democracy, again ideologies incompatible with Abrahamic religious intolerance.