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Jovian
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7/7/2015 7:44:41 AM
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God is perfect in many ways. And after listening to lots of creationists, I've understood that a perfect creation just couldn't have "assembled itself". How would that possibly happen? Also, God is even more perfect than humanity. God doesn't have sinful feelings. Thus, more perfection = higher likability that it has been created.

So, my question is, who created God?
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7/7/2015 8:14:41 AM
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Your question is somewhat malformed. God is partially defined to be the first thing in existence. There can be nothing before God.
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7/7/2015 8:31:09 AM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 7/7/2015 8:14:41 AM, spencerhg wrote:
Your question is somewhat malformed. God is partially defined to be the first thing in existence. There can be nothing before God.

Codswallop. Something can't have just came out of nothing. He must have had a creator.
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7/7/2015 8:42:01 AM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 7/7/2015 8:31:09 AM, Jovian wrote:
At 7/7/2015 8:14:41 AM, spencerhg wrote:
Your question is somewhat malformed. God is partially defined to be the first thing in existence. There can be nothing before God.

Codswallop. Something can't have just came out of nothing. He must have had a creator.

You must have a different definition of God then. I don't know of any organized religion that would use a definition like yours, so your point only attacks the notion of a God that nobody seems to worship.
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7/7/2015 8:42:16 AM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 7/7/2015 8:31:09 AM, Jovian wrote:
At 7/7/2015 8:14:41 AM, spencerhg wrote:
Your question is somewhat malformed. God is partially defined to be the first thing in existence. There can be nothing before God.

Codswallop. Something can't have just came out of nothing. He must have had a creator.

That is why, according to theists, God never came into being. Eternal, unchanging, uncaused cause. Pick as many as you like.
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UniversalTheologian
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7/7/2015 8:48:02 AM
Posted: 1 year ago
God is understood universally to represent "The Ultimate Reality", the way things really are.

God is uncreated, but WORDS are creation. How do you express what is uncreated through creation?

It is very difficult. Certainly, the concept "god" is man made, but it points to something that is The Most Real.
"There are trivial truths and the great truths. The opposite of a trivial truth is plainly false. The opposite of a great truth is also true." ~ Niels Bohr

"All truth passes through three stages. First, it is ridiculed. Second, it is violently opposed. Third, it is accepted as being self-evident." ~ Arthur Schopenhauer
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7/7/2015 8:54:26 AM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 7/7/2015 8:31:09 AM, Jovian wrote:
At 7/7/2015 8:14:41 AM, spencerhg wrote:
Your question is somewhat malformed. God is partially defined to be the first thing in existence. There can be nothing before God.

Codswallop. Something can't have just came out of nothing. He must have had a creator.

Who says he came out of nothing? Perhaps he always existed?
intellectuallyprimitive
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7/7/2015 9:47:39 AM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 7/7/2015 8:54:26 AM, Philocat wrote:
At 7/7/2015 8:31:09 AM, Jovian wrote:
At 7/7/2015 8:14:41 AM, spencerhg wrote:
Your question is somewhat malformed. God is partially defined to be the first thing in existence. There can be nothing before God.

Codswallop. Something can't have just came out of nothing. He must have had a creator.

Who says he came out of nothing? Perhaps he always existed?

Or perhaps, god never existed.
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7/7/2015 9:47:43 AM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 7/7/2015 8:54:26 AM, Philocat wrote:
At 7/7/2015 8:31:09 AM, Jovian wrote:
At 7/7/2015 8:14:41 AM, spencerhg wrote:
Your question is somewhat malformed. God is partially defined to be the first thing in existence. There can be nothing before God.

Codswallop. Something can't have just came out of nothing. He must have had a creator.

Who says he came out of nothing? Perhaps he always existed?

Impossible. Something cannot come out of nothing. Like you theists argue for creationism. You are contradicting yourself by saying this.
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7/7/2015 9:49:46 AM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 7/7/2015 7:44:41 AM, Jovian wrote:
God is perfect in many ways. And after listening to lots of creationists, I've understood that a perfect creation just couldn't have "assembled itself". How would that possibly happen? Also, God is even more perfect than humanity. God doesn't have sinful feelings. Thus, more perfection = higher likability that it has been created.

So, my question is, who created God?

The minds of ignorance men who believed they must have been created by a being far better than them.
Marrying a 6 year old and waiting until she reaches puberty and maturity before having consensual sex is better than walking up to
a stranger in a bar and proceeding to have relations with no valid proof of the intent of the person. Muhammad wins. ~ Fatihah
If they don't want to be killed then they have to subdue to the Islamic laws. - Uncung
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7/7/2015 9:56:47 AM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 7/7/2015 8:42:16 AM, Fkkize wrote:
At 7/7/2015 8:31:09 AM, Jovian wrote:
At 7/7/2015 8:14:41 AM, spencerhg wrote:
Your question is somewhat malformed. God is partially defined to be the first thing in existence. There can be nothing before God.

Codswallop. Something can't have just came out of nothing. He must have had a creator.

That is why, according to theists, God never came into being. Eternal, unchanging, uncaused cause. Pick as many as you like.

what was there before the big bang? scientists say "nothing" so like god we all came from nothing, not so far fetched is it?
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7/7/2015 9:59:33 AM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 7/7/2015 7:44:41 AM, Jovian wrote:
God is perfect in many ways. And after listening to lots of creationists, I've understood that a perfect creation just couldn't have "assembled itself". How would that possibly happen? Also, God is even more perfect than humanity. God doesn't have sinful feelings. Thus, more perfection = higher likability that it has been created.

So, my question is, who created God?

And what is prefect about the deity featured in the Bible? It seems altogether evil if the deeds attributed to it were true.

I believe it is a purely human creation.
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7/7/2015 10:00:08 AM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 7/7/2015 9:56:47 AM, kkal wrote:
At 7/7/2015 8:42:16 AM, Fkkize wrote:
At 7/7/2015 8:31:09 AM, Jovian wrote:
At 7/7/2015 8:14:41 AM, spencerhg wrote:
Your question is somewhat malformed. God is partially defined to be the first thing in existence. There can be nothing before God.

Codswallop. Something can't have just came out of nothing. He must have had a creator.

That is why, according to theists, God never came into being. Eternal, unchanging, uncaused cause. Pick as many as you like.

what was there before the big bang?
That is not even an intelligible question. 'Before' implies an unspecified point in time, which is not a meningful question to ask since time came about with the big bang.

scientists say "nothing"
No, not really.

so like god we all came from nothing, not so far fetched is it?
But theists don't claim that God came from nothing and neither did we.
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UniversalTheologian
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7/7/2015 10:08:08 AM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 7/7/2015 9:47:39 AM, intellectuallyprimitive wrote:
Or perhaps, god never existed.

God by definition exists. God is supposed to represent what is ultimately real. If you believe that there is such a thing as Truth independent of human bias, you believe in the existence of God.

At 7/7/2015 9:47:43 AM, Reasonslap wrote:
Impossible. Something cannot come out of nothing. Like you theists argue for creationism. You are contradicting yourself by saying this.

"Things" are creation. God is no thing. God isn't nothing though, nothing is impossible!

Think of creation as being the grids we place around reality to make sense of it. Words are creation. When you name something, a great deal of its essence is lost.

For the sake of utility, we refer to all objects that meet the defined criteria of an "orange" as being an "orange". However, no two oranges are the same. We operate with representations of reality rather than reality directly.

These representations are creation. Human beings were created in the image of God, not God in the image of human beings. The distinction is very important, because it is what separates the pagans(one who worships creation and the relatively real) from the monotheist(One who worships the uncreated and the Ultimately Real).
"There are trivial truths and the great truths. The opposite of a trivial truth is plainly false. The opposite of a great truth is also true." ~ Niels Bohr

"All truth passes through three stages. First, it is ridiculed. Second, it is violently opposed. Third, it is accepted as being self-evident." ~ Arthur Schopenhauer
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7/7/2015 10:32:15 AM
Posted: 1 year ago
Man created the idea of a God, in an effort to answer all the questions of the wonders of the natural world around him. How and why questions that existed when man was just a part of the natural world. Now, man has declared himself far above nature. Man believes he is God of all he sees around him. He knows all there is, is sure of his answers and does as he sees fit to the universe around him. Truth is, in comparison, he knows what a first grader knows in the classroom of reality. What science calls a paradox, religion calls a mystery, science calls for our faith to believe in what they call truth but can't prove or explain. Faith is what religion is based on. Truth is, God or an intelligent designer will always be a part of the human condition. Whether we like it or not none of us will be here if and when the real truth is known.
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7/7/2015 11:02:29 AM
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Who created God?

Man created ALL of them.
Religion is just mind control. George Carlin
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7/7/2015 11:03:34 AM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 7/7/2015 9:47:43 AM, Reasonslap wrote:
At 7/7/2015 8:54:26 AM, Philocat wrote:
At 7/7/2015 8:31:09 AM, Jovian wrote:
At 7/7/2015 8:14:41 AM, spencerhg wrote:
Your question is somewhat malformed. God is partially defined to be the first thing in existence. There can be nothing before God.

Codswallop. Something can't have just came out of nothing. He must have had a creator.

Who says he came out of nothing? Perhaps he always existed?

Impossible. Something cannot come out of nothing. Like you theists argue for creationism. You are contradicting yourself by saying this.

Since when does 'always existed' imply 'comes out of nothing'?

Besides, if you argue that something cannot come out of nothing, what do you atheists think the universe came from?

If anything, you're the one who's contradicting himself here.
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7/7/2015 11:08:13 AM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 7/7/2015 8:31:09 AM, Jovian wrote:
At 7/7/2015 8:14:41 AM, spencerhg wrote:
Your question is somewhat malformed. God is partially defined to be the first thing in existence. There can be nothing before God.

Codswallop. Something can't have just came out of nothing. He must have had a creator.

Spirit existed before substance.

1 In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth. 2 Now the earth was formless and empty, darkness was over the surface of the deep, and the Spirit of God was hovering over the waters.

3 And God said, "Let there be light," and there was light.
DanneJeRusse
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7/7/2015 11:10:32 AM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 7/7/2015 11:03:34 AM, Philocat wrote:
At 7/7/2015 9:47:43 AM, Reasonslap wrote:
At 7/7/2015 8:54:26 AM, Philocat wrote:
At 7/7/2015 8:31:09 AM, Jovian wrote:
At 7/7/2015 8:14:41 AM, spencerhg wrote:
Your question is somewhat malformed. God is partially defined to be the first thing in existence. There can be nothing before God.

Codswallop. Something can't have just came out of nothing. He must have had a creator.

Who says he came out of nothing? Perhaps he always existed?

Impossible. Something cannot come out of nothing. Like you theists argue for creationism. You are contradicting yourself by saying this.

Since when does 'always existed' imply 'comes out of nothing'?

Besides, if you argue that something cannot come out of nothing, what do you atheists think the universe came from?

From something, of course. There had to be something in which all the dense electromagnetic energy originated that was present right after the Big Bang. We already know energy pops in and out of empty space all the time, so it's a simple matter of extending that prior to the Big Bang.

If anything, you're the one who's contradicting himself here.
Marrying a 6 year old and waiting until she reaches puberty and maturity before having consensual sex is better than walking up to
a stranger in a bar and proceeding to have relations with no valid proof of the intent of the person. Muhammad wins. ~ Fatihah
If they don't want to be killed then they have to subdue to the Islamic laws. - Uncung
Without God, you are lower than sh!t. ~ SpiritandTruth
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7/7/2015 11:15:19 AM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 7/7/2015 11:10:32 AM, DanneJeRusse wrote:
At 7/7/2015 11:03:34 AM, Philocat wrote:
At 7/7/2015 9:47:43 AM, Reasonslap wrote:
At 7/7/2015 8:54:26 AM, Philocat wrote:
At 7/7/2015 8:31:09 AM, Jovian wrote:
At 7/7/2015 8:14:41 AM, spencerhg wrote:
Your question is somewhat malformed. God is partially defined to be the first thing in existence. There can be nothing before God.

Codswallop. Something can't have just came out of nothing. He must have had a creator.

Who says he came out of nothing? Perhaps he always existed?

Impossible. Something cannot come out of nothing. Like you theists argue for creationism. You are contradicting yourself by saying this.

Since when does 'always existed' imply 'comes out of nothing'?

Besides, if you argue that something cannot come out of nothing, what do you atheists think the universe came from?

From something, of course. There had to be something in which all the dense electromagnetic energy originated that was present right after the Big Bang. We already know energy pops in and out of empty space all the time, so it's a simple matter of extending that prior to the Big Bang.

If anything, you're the one who's contradicting himself here.

But then we've got either an infinite regress (which is impossible) or something that always existed. My point was that Reasonslap says that the latter is impossible, which is equally problematic for the atheistic worldview.
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7/7/2015 11:16:28 AM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 7/7/2015 11:02:29 AM, bulproof wrote:
Who created God?

Man created ALL of them.

If you worship creation, you are a pagan.

There is only One True God, and it is fundamentally uncreated.

To understand what it means to be The Uncreated, you have to understand the nature of creation.
"There are trivial truths and the great truths. The opposite of a trivial truth is plainly false. The opposite of a great truth is also true." ~ Niels Bohr

"All truth passes through three stages. First, it is ridiculed. Second, it is violently opposed. Third, it is accepted as being self-evident." ~ Arthur Schopenhauer
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7/7/2015 11:18:31 AM
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At 7/7/2015 11:16:28 AM, UniversalTheologian wrote:
At 7/7/2015 11:02:29 AM, bulproof wrote:
Who created God?

Man created ALL of them.

If you worship creation, you are a pagan.

There is only One True God, and it is fundamentally uncreated.

To understand what it means to be The Uncreated, you have to understand the nature of creation.
Spirit existed before substance.

1 In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth. 2 Now the earth was formless and empty, darkness was over the surface of the deep, and the Spirit of God was hovering over the waters.

3 And God said, "Let there be light," and there was light.
UniversalTheologian
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7/7/2015 11:21:45 AM
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At 7/7/2015 11:18:31 AM, Dogknox wrote:
Spirit existed before substance.

I'm not disputing this.
"There are trivial truths and the great truths. The opposite of a trivial truth is plainly false. The opposite of a great truth is also true." ~ Niels Bohr

"All truth passes through three stages. First, it is ridiculed. Second, it is violently opposed. Third, it is accepted as being self-evident." ~ Arthur Schopenhauer
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7/7/2015 12:02:56 PM
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At 7/7/2015 11:18:31 AM, Dogknox wrote:
At 7/7/2015 11:16:28 AM, UniversalTheologian wrote:
At 7/7/2015 11:02:29 AM, bulproof wrote:
Who created God?

Man created ALL of them.

If you worship creation, you are a pagan.

There is only One True God, and it is fundamentally uncreated.

To understand what it means to be The Uncreated, you have to understand the nature of creation.
Spirit existed before substance.


What is Spirit?

1 In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth. 2 Now the earth was formless and empty, darkness was over the surface of the deep, and the Spirit of God was hovering over the waters.

3 And God said, "Let there be light," and there was light.
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7/7/2015 12:17:16 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 7/7/2015 11:15:19 AM, Philocat wrote:
At 7/7/2015 11:10:32 AM, DanneJeRusse wrote:
At 7/7/2015 11:03:34 AM, Philocat wrote:
At 7/7/2015 9:47:43 AM, Reasonslap wrote:
At 7/7/2015 8:54:26 AM, Philocat wrote:
At 7/7/2015 8:31:09 AM, Jovian wrote:
At 7/7/2015 8:14:41 AM, spencerhg wrote:
Your question is somewhat malformed. God is partially defined to be the first thing in existence. There can be nothing before God.

Codswallop. Something can't have just came out of nothing. He must have had a creator.

Who says he came out of nothing? Perhaps he always existed?

Impossible. Something cannot come out of nothing. Like you theists argue for creationism. You are contradicting yourself by saying this.

Since when does 'always existed' imply 'comes out of nothing'?

Besides, if you argue that something cannot come out of nothing, what do you atheists think the universe came from?

From something, of course. There had to be something in which all the dense electromagnetic energy originated that was present right after the Big Bang. We already know energy pops in and out of empty space all the time, so it's a simple matter of extending that prior to the Big Bang.

If anything, you're the one who's contradicting himself here.

But then we've got either an infinite regress (which is impossible) or something that always existed.

That is another argument that can be hypothesized many ways that are not impossible, but what it does show is that the matter/energy in our universe MUST have come from somewhere. What originated before that is another story unknown to us at this time.

My point was that Reasonslap says that the latter is impossible, which is equally problematic for the atheistic worldview.

If God created the universe, He too would most likely have to have attained the raw materials that make up the matter/energy contained in the universe, whether it was the dense electromagnetic energy from the Big Bang or if He created the universe as it is today, the same would apply.
Marrying a 6 year old and waiting until she reaches puberty and maturity before having consensual sex is better than walking up to
a stranger in a bar and proceeding to have relations with no valid proof of the intent of the person. Muhammad wins. ~ Fatihah
If they don't want to be killed then they have to subdue to the Islamic laws. - Uncung
Without God, you are lower than sh!t. ~ SpiritandTruth
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7/7/2015 12:26:34 PM
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At 7/7/2015 9:56:47 AM, kkal wrote:
At 7/7/2015 8:42:16 AM, Fkkize wrote:
At 7/7/2015 8:31:09 AM, Jovian wrote:
At 7/7/2015 8:14:41 AM, spencerhg wrote:
Your question is somewhat malformed. God is partially defined to be the first thing in existence. There can be nothing before God.

Codswallop. Something can't have just came out of nothing. He must have had a creator.

That is why, according to theists, God never came into being. Eternal, unchanging, uncaused cause. Pick as many as you like.

what was there before the big bang? scientists say "nothing" so like god we all came from nothing, not so far fetched is it?

That is not true. Science does not say the big bang came from nothing.
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7/7/2015 12:28:22 PM
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At 7/7/2015 11:16:28 AM, UniversalTheologian wrote:
At 7/7/2015 11:02:29 AM, bulproof wrote:
Who created God?

Man created ALL of them.

If you worship creation, you are a pagan.

There is only One True God, and it is fundamentally uncreated.

To understand what it means to be The Uncreated, you have to understand the nature of creation.

How can something so complex be uncreated?
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7/7/2015 12:29:37 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 7/7/2015 7:44:41 AM, Jovian wrote:
God is perfect in many ways. And after listening to lots of creationists, I've understood that a perfect creation just couldn't have "assembled itself". How would that possibly happen? Also, God is even more perfect than humanity. God doesn't have sinful feelings. Thus, more perfection = higher likability that it has been created.

So, my question is, who created God?

An obsessive compulsive perfectionist created the concept of God and others suffering from the same condition continued with self absorbed delusion of perfection.
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7/7/2015 12:44:19 PM
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At 7/7/2015 11:03:34 AM, Philocat wrote:
At 7/7/2015 9:47:43 AM, Reasonslap wrote:
At 7/7/2015 8:54:26 AM, Philocat wrote:
At 7/7/2015 8:31:09 AM, Jovian wrote:
At 7/7/2015 8:14:41 AM, spencerhg wrote:
Your question is somewhat malformed. God is partially defined to be the first thing in existence. There can be nothing before God.

Codswallop. Something can't have just came out of nothing. He must have had a creator.

Who says he came out of nothing? Perhaps he always existed?

Impossible. Something cannot come out of nothing. Like you theists argue for creationism. You are contradicting yourself by saying this.

Since when does 'always existed' imply 'comes out of nothing'?

Besides, if you argue that something cannot come out of nothing, what do you atheists think the universe came from?

If anything, you're the one who's contradicting himself here.

The ball of energy for the Big Bang would then be acceptable. It always existed, I could say. Also, if you disagree with this, then your god needs an explanation for existing.
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7/7/2015 12:49:40 PM
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At 7/7/2015 11:16:28 AM, UniversalTheologian wrote:
At 7/7/2015 11:02:29 AM, bulproof wrote:
Who created God?

Man created ALL of them.

If you worship creation, you are a pagan.
Rules me out, what about you?
There is only One True God, and it is fundamentally uncreated.
All gods are the creation of men.
To understand what it means to be The Uncreated, you have to understand the nature of creation.
You first need to entertain the fantasy of creation.
See above regarding gods.
Religion is just mind control. George Carlin