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Skyangel
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7/15/2015 7:50:07 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
Fantasy land is coming soon. Stay tuned for a magical king to come floating out of the sky in magical clouds with a golden city from which he will rule and reign on Earth for only one thousand years.
Maybe he will teach a few magicians how to do his magic and wave away all evil with a word while he is reigning on Earth.
After that, who knows what will happen? Maybe the magical king will go on a holiday again for a few million years before he does it all over again.

People who believe the kingdom of God will one day physically and literally come down from heaven to Earth are like gullible children who want to believe in a fairy tale happy ever after ending to the story of their lives.
Some believers are gullible enough to believe a supernatural man will actually reign as king on Earth one day and this person will make all negative things like sickness, natural disasters, bad attitudes in humans, etc magically disappear.

The Truth is that no magical man and no magical kingdom will ever literally be on Earth.

The kingdom of God is not some observable thing that will come to Earth at any time in the future. ( Luke 17:20 ......The kingdom of God cometh not with observation: )

The kingdom of God is always within humans. (Luke 17:21 .....Neither shall they say, Lo here! or, lo there! for, behold, the kingdom of God is within you.)

It is not a physical kingdom with physical buildings and a physical king. It is about personal inner peace, joy and righteousness, and nothing else. ( Rom14:17 For the kingdom of God is not meat and drink; but righteousness, and peace, and joy in the Holy Ghost.)

Children need to wake up and grow up and gain some mature understanding about what the kingdom of God actually is.
It is a heat attitude and state of mind within people. It is not a physical kingdom in a physical location on the planet.
It will never be "Here" or "There" referring to any location on Earth BECAUSE it is always in the heart and mind of those who live in that attitude. It is an attitude and state of mind in which humans can choose to live or not. No belief in any supernatural entity is necessary. LOVE is all you need.

God is nothing more than a personification of LOVE and LIFE itself.

When you LOVE LIFE as it is you live in the TRUTH and REALITY which sets you free from being lost in fantasies and dreaming of a magical kingdom to come which will make all your problems disappear.

If you do not have inner peace today, do what you need to do to get it. That does not include a belief in any magical or supernatural character. It takes a belief and a trust in TRUTH and reality and an acceptance that it is what it is. Be true to yourself and others and you will have a clear conscience at all times. Inner peace and contentment is impossible without a clear conscience.

I understand those who cannot bear to face the Truth need to hide in their fantasy land to escape from the Truth and reality which they hate despise and reject. They prefer to live in false hopes that one day reality will change to be exactly like their fantasy land.

Dreamers will always dream on till the LIGHT shines strongly enough to WAKE them up from their state of ignorance and gullibility.

The supernatural character in the sky named God is no more real than Mother Nature or Father Time. He/It is a personification of LIFE, LOVE, TRUTH, and the WAY all these things work.
Saint_of_Me
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7/15/2015 8:34:36 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 7/15/2015 7:50:07 PM, Skyangel wrote:
Fantasy land is coming soon. Stay tuned for a magical king to come floating out of the sky in magical clouds with a golden city from which he will rule and reign on Earth for only one thousand years.
Maybe he will teach a few magicians how to do his magic and wave away all evil with a word while he is reigning on Earth.
After that, who knows what will happen? Maybe the magical king will go on a holiday again for a few million years before he does it all over again.

People who believe the kingdom of God will one day physically and literally come down from heaven to Earth are like gullible children who want to believe in a fairy tale happy ever after ending to the story of their lives.
Some believers are gullible enough to believe a supernatural man will actually reign as king on Earth one day and this person will make all negative things like sickness, natural disasters, bad attitudes in humans, etc magically disappear.

The Truth is that no magical man and no magical kingdom will ever literally be on Earth.

The kingdom of God is not some observable thing that will come to Earth at any time in the future. ( Luke 17:20 ......The kingdom of God cometh not with observation: )

The kingdom of God is always within humans. (Luke 17:21 .....Neither shall they say, Lo here! or, lo there! for, behold, the kingdom of God is within you.)

It is not a physical kingdom with physical buildings and a physical king. It is about personal inner peace, joy and righteousness, and nothing else. ( Rom14:17 For the kingdom of God is not meat and drink; but righteousness, and peace, and joy in the Holy Ghost.)

Children need to wake up and grow up and gain some mature understanding about what the kingdom of God actually is.
It is a heat attitude and state of mind within people. It is not a physical kingdom in a physical location on the planet.
It will never be "Here" or "There" referring to any location on Earth BECAUSE it is always in the heart and mind of those who live in that attitude. It is an attitude and state of mind in which humans can choose to live or not. No belief in any supernatural entity is necessary. LOVE is all you need.

God is nothing more than a personification of LOVE and LIFE itself.

When you LOVE LIFE as it is you live in the TRUTH and REALITY which sets you free from being lost in fantasies and dreaming of a magical kingdom to come which will make all your problems disappear.

If you do not have inner peace today, do what you need to do to get it. That does not include a belief in any magical or supernatural character. It takes a belief and a trust in TRUTH and reality and an acceptance that it is what it is. Be true to yourself and others and you will have a clear conscience at all times. Inner peace and contentment is impossible without a clear conscience.

I understand those who cannot bear to face the Truth need to hide in their fantasy land to escape from the Truth and reality which they hate despise and reject. They prefer to live in false hopes that one day reality will change to be exactly like their fantasy land.

Dreamers will always dream on till the LIGHT shines strongly enough to WAKE them up from their state of ignorance and gullibility.

The supernatural character in the sky named God is no more real than Mother Nature or Father Time. He/It is a personification of LIFE, LOVE, TRUTH, and the WAY all these things work.

Actually...many biblical scholars believe that the original quotation from Jesus in Luke 17 was: "the Kingdom of Heaven is AMONG you." This would imply He was speaking about His presence, and not the notion--as many anti-Christians think--that the key to Salvation is simply a matter of one's inner spiritual condition.

It is also obvious from many other quotes from Jesus that he was referring to the fact that, on their own, his followers and non-believers were doomed. They would never get to his Father's Mansion on their own, no matter what lie inside them. They had to follow that One Rule Above All Others and accept Him as Savior.

http://bibleq.net...
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Skyangel
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7/15/2015 10:12:06 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 7/15/2015 8:34:36 PM, Saint_of_Me wrote:

The kingdom of God is not some observable thing that will come to Earth at any time in the future. ( Luke 17:20 ......The kingdom of God cometh not with observation: )

The kingdom of God is always within humans. (Luke 17:21 .....Neither shall they say, Lo here! or, lo there! for, behold, the kingdom of God is within you.)

It is not a physical kingdom with physical buildings and a physical king. It is about personal inner peace, joy and righteousness, and nothing else. ( Rom14:17 For the kingdom of God is not meat and drink; but righteousness, and peace, and joy in the Holy Ghost.)


Actually...many biblical scholars believe that the original quotation from Jesus in Luke 17 was: "the Kingdom of Heaven is AMONG you." This would imply He was speaking about His presence, and not the notion--as many anti-Christians think--that the key to Salvation is simply a matter of one's inner spiritual condition.

That's true but if you consider the scripture in Rom 14:17 referring to a peaceful state of mind and clear conscience rather than a physical kingdom made of physical buildings, you can still have peace and righteousness among humans as well as within humans.
When you consider Jesus as a personification of TRUTH you can also have truth among humans as well as within humans. Therefore it makes no difference if you use "among" or "within" since both are true and applicable at all times.

A human character named Jesus cannot be among all people of the past present and future at all times and everywhere at once but TRUTH can and is.

It is also obvious from many other quotes from Jesus that he was referring to the fact that, on their own, his followers and non-believers were doomed. They would never get to his Father's Mansion on their own, no matter what lie inside them. They had to follow that One Rule Above All Others and accept Him as Savior.

http://bibleq.net...

We could take that to mean......
Without a belief in a supernatural man you are doomed. The question is doomed to what? Doomed or destined to end up without a belief in a supernatural man? How does disbelief in a supernatural man affect anyone in a negative way?
Rejecting a supernatural man has no more negative affects than rejecting Mother Nature as a supernatural woman. It makes no difference at all. Life goes on the same regardless.

We could also take it to mean.....
Without a belief in Truth itself you are doomed. Doomed to what?
Rejecting Truth/reality results in being doomed to live in a lie and/or in a fantasy, does it not?
Can you think of any other consequence of rejecting Truth/reality?

Choosing to live in Truth can be done without any belief in mythical characters.
Choosing to live in fantasy cannot be done without a belief in mythical characters.

Giving up mythical characters to live in Truth is not easy for those who refuse to believe they are living a lie and deceiving themselves.

They would need to give up their whole life of fiction to find a life of truth and that is more than most are willing to sacrifice.
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7/15/2015 10:46:09 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
Some atheists have their own fantasy lands too..like Skyangle's fantasy that the spiritual realm doesn't exist even though she uses quotes from those believing it does to form her own atheist alternative belief system where "God" is replaced by "Nature".

But the spiritual realm does exist and because she's unfamiliar with the roots of Jewish Christian beliefs she has no clue about the astrological or "heavenly" stellar icons God used for God's celestial Sign Language written in astrological code. So, yes, one can look up to the heavens and find the Messiah's stellar icon "riding on the clouds of heaven" the Milky Way. The physical icons, the stars and planets, sun and moon, are used to symbolize human concerns as that's the way human beings first developed abstract religious knowledge, they used concrete things to anchor their psychological beliefs, so when Skyangle disses the abstract physical icons saying they aren't really God, she misses the whole point of there being "Signs" from God to guide human beings.

Celestial Torah Christianity can trace the Messiah concept back 35,000 years in human religious iconography and so she's quite wrong about there being no God as my Jewish prophesy tradition wouldn't keep producing spokesmen for God in a consistent fashion showing consistent Spiritual influence. God is a Spirit and not Nature or natural phenomena per se. But without spiritual vision Skyangle never sees the Spirit of God, only sees herself and projects herself in place of God, like she's jealous of God's power to influence human beings and send them along the spiritual evolutionary path to humanitarianism, being humane beings instead of merely human beings, i.e. bringing out the "kingdom of God" within via triggering our internal Spirit of God by the use of religious iconography, Signs and wonders, the Language of God that atheists never comprehend being outsiders to spiritual consciousness.
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7/15/2015 11:01:22 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
Here's physical proof that the Spirit of God can "speak" to human beings through religious iconography. If Skyangle were correct then when I had a religious vision from God that made me transform a sword, a replica of an old English sword, into an extremely powerful spiritual icon, this wouldn't have occurred. None of the hundreds of Nazarean Christians would have been spiritual effected by seeing a sword with a blade made into a peace symbol. They would have just seen metal and brass and a hippie peace sign, so what? What they wouldn't be able to see is Spirit in motion, the Spirit of Christ symbolized in a metal and brass sword, so that when this special sword was seen a wave of spiritual understanding moved through the witnesses as they saw a miracle in action: a Pentecostal miracle where the Sword of Christ, the Sword of Peace, became a real live Sign of the Messiah, witnessed by over 500 Nazarean Christians at Easter in Nazareth, Israel 12 years ago.

If there were no Spirit connected with the Sword of Peace, there would be no honoring of it and no Keeper of it. But there was and there is, Nazareth's highest ranking Catholic priest is Keeper of Christ's Sword in Nazareth. As religious human beings feel and honor the Spirit while atheists see only physical objects and happy human beings glad to know God is with them, shows them Signs of love and concern. Nature never does this because Nature isn't a Spirit but the mechanics of Creation working themselves out.
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7/15/2015 11:41:45 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 7/15/2015 10:46:09 PM, celestialtorahteacher wrote:
Some atheists have their own fantasy lands too..like Skyangle's fantasy that the spiritual realm doesn't exist even though she uses quotes from those believing it does to form her own atheist alternative belief system where "God" is replaced by "Nature".

You poor old man. I can see you have great difficulty understanding my perspective. "Spiritual" to me is all about human attitudes, emotions, morals, intuitions, motivations, love, understanding, compassion, etc. All those type of things which are intangible yet can be manifest and observed through human words, actions and attitudes.
It has nothing to do with any invisible ghosts or supernatural entities. Those things are mythical characters as far as I am concerned.

But the spiritual realm does exist and because she's unfamiliar with the roots of Jewish Christian beliefs she has no clue about the astrological or "heavenly" stellar icons God used for God's celestial Sign Language written in astrological code. So, yes, one can look up to the heavens and find the Messiah's stellar icon "riding on the clouds of heaven" the Milky Way. The physical icons, the stars and planets, sun and moon, are used to symbolize human concerns as that's the way human beings first developed abstract religious knowledge, they used concrete things to anchor their psychological beliefs, so when Skyangle disses the abstract physical icons saying they aren't really God, she misses the whole point of there being "Signs" from God to guide human beings.

Yes the spiritual realm does exist and can obviously be defined and interpreted in various ways.
The fantasy realm also exists on this planet and in human imagination and many are led astray by it.
You have your head so far in the clouds that it is not even on Earth any more. Your head is so far above the clouds, you have spaced yourself out and all you see are stars and mythical characters riding on them.
Feel free to live in your star symbolism if it makes you happy. Obviously you are old and don't have much longer to live on this planet so you might as well dream your life away and let the stars control your life.
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Celestial Torah Christianity can trace the Messiah concept back 35,000 years in human religious iconography and so she's quite wrong about there being no God as my Jewish prophesy tradition wouldn't keep producing spokesmen for God in a consistent fashion showing consistent Spiritual influence. God is a Spirit and not Nature or natural phenomena per se. But without spiritual vision Skyangle never sees the Spirit of God, only sees herself and projects herself in place of God, like she's jealous of God's power to influence human beings and send them along the spiritual evolutionary path to humanitarianism, being humane beings instead of merely human beings, i.e. bringing out the "kingdom of God" within via triggering our internal Spirit of God by the use of religious iconography, Signs and wonders, the Language of God that atheists never comprehend being outsiders to spiritual consciousness.

The blind false prophets are constantly leading the blind and gullible to their destruction.
All gods are as mythical as Mother Nature and Father Time. They are all personifications of the powers of the universe and nothing more than that.
Spokesmen for any God are merely spokesmen of their own imaginations and egos which convince them they are more important than they really are. They are chosen by their own ego to spout nonsense about stars guiding their lives.
God is a Spirit which is nothing more than an attitude in humans and in your case I am not impressed with your attitude at all. It is one of arrogance in which you attempt to make yourself superior to everyone else. Nothing humble about it.
Feel free to live in your fantasy space with your stars guiding your life and your special revelations and spiritual language which no one but you and your chosen cronies can understand.

I prefer to live in truth and reality which is very simple and can be understood by anyone who wants to understand it. No special knowledge needed.
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7/16/2015 12:04:49 AM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 7/15/2015 11:01:22 PM, celestialtorahteacher wrote:
Here's physical proof that the Spirit of God can "speak" to human beings through religious iconography. If Skyangle were correct then when I had a religious vision from God that made me transform a sword, a replica of an old English sword, into an extremely powerful spiritual icon, this wouldn't have occurred. None of the hundreds of Nazarean Christians would have been spiritual effected by seeing a sword with a blade made into a peace symbol. They would have just seen metal and brass and a hippie peace sign, so what? What they wouldn't be able to see is Spirit in motion, the Spirit of Christ symbolized in a metal and brass sword, so that when this special sword was seen a wave of spiritual understanding moved through the witnesses as they saw a miracle in action: a Pentecostal miracle where the Sword of Christ, the Sword of Peace, became a real live Sign of the Messiah, witnessed by over 500 Nazarean Christians at Easter in Nazareth, Israel 12 years ago.

If there were no Spirit connected with the Sword of Peace, there would be no honoring of it and no Keeper of it. But there was and there is, Nazareth's highest ranking Catholic priest is Keeper of Christ's Sword in Nazareth. As religious human beings feel and honor the Spirit while atheists see only physical objects and happy human beings glad to know God is with them, shows them Signs of love and concern. Nature never does this because Nature isn't a Spirit but the mechanics of Creation working themselves out.

That is physical proof that humans are gullible and will believe whatever the con artists convince them to believe.
All religious cults are founded on the fact that some con artist convinced a group of people that they had a vision or some special spiritual experience of some kind. The leaders are all self deluded and chosen to delude others.
You only need to research the religious cults of the world and their founders.
All the people who worshiped idols in the past also had so called "signs" from their gods.
Your own mind is deceiving you but I understand old men have their fantasies.