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7/17/2015 4:03:28 AM
Posted: 1 year ago
how do they support the invisible return of Jesus in 1914 with scripture..

or the arch angel michael being Jesus..?
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7/17/2015 4:27:43 AM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 7/17/2015 4:03:28 AM, graceofgod wrote:
how do they support the invisible return of Jesus in 1914 with scripture..

or the arch angel michael being Jesus..?

Strange idea's eh ? You wouldn't happen to adhere to any christian beliefs now would you ?

Cause golly I would hate for you to take that finger of yours and point it at yourself.

This message has being bought to you by the kettle, the pot and the color black.
"Seems like another attempt to insert God into areas our knowledge has yet to penetrate. You figure God would be bigger than the gaps of our ignorance." Drafterman 19/5/12
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7/17/2015 4:38:06 AM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 7/17/2015 4:03:28 AM, graceofgod wrote:
how do they support the invisible return of Jesus in 1914 with scripture..

or the arch angel michael being Jesus..?

Hello my friend. I'm not a Jehovah Witness, but I have looked into some things they believe. The return of Jesus in 1914 is a bit strange to me. But I wouldn't put off Jesus being Michael the archangel so quickly. They actually have very good reasons for believing this. Actually, many people believed this long before the Jehovah Witnesses started. This guy isn't a Witness either, but he is pretty convincing:

http://www.herealittletherealittle.net...

(I don't believe Yeshua is Michael, but you asked why they believe so I was just trying to show you that they do have good reasons)

If you don't mind, I'd like to ask what exactly it is that you believe. Do you believe in the trinity, free will, Lucifer, or hell? I personally consider all of these things to be strange ideas. I believe Yeshua was a Man and the Son of God, God has determined all things, the whole Lucifer falling from heaven story is an unscriptural pagan myth along the lines of Prometheus, and I wholeheartedly believe that God will reconcile all things and gather the entire world back to Himself because of Yeshua

Thank you my friend and God bless you.
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7/17/2015 5:59:58 AM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 7/17/2015 5:54:37 AM, JJ50 wrote:
The JWs are one of the crazier and more unpleasant cults.

I agree they have claimed several times God told them when the end of the world will be...
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7/17/2015 8:16:36 AM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 7/17/2015 4:03:28 AM, graceofgod wrote:
how do they support the invisible return of Jesus in 1914 with scripture..

or the arch angel michael being Jesus..?

You may want to take your own advice...

At 7/16/2015 3:27:53 AM, graceofgod wrote:
I think anyone who does not scrutinise their own faith are in a dangerous place ...
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7/17/2015 9:06:52 AM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 7/17/2015 8:16:36 AM, DanneJeRusse wrote:
At 7/17/2015 4:03:28 AM, graceofgod wrote:
how do they support the invisible return of Jesus in 1914 with scripture..

or the arch angel michael being Jesus..?

You may want to take your own advice...

At 7/16/2015 3:27:53 AM, graceofgod wrote:
I think anyone who does not scrutinise their own faith are in a dangerous place ...

i was comparing their ideas to biblical scripture not your choice not to believe....
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7/17/2015 9:37:34 AM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 7/17/2015 4:03:28 AM, graceofgod wrote:
how do they support the invisible return of Jesus in 1914 with scripture..

or the arch angel michael being Jesus..?

You can look those two questions up on their site, jw.org.
Madcornishbiker: "No, I don't need a dictionary, I know how scripture uses words and that is all I need to now."
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7/17/2015 9:40:33 AM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 7/17/2015 9:37:34 AM, annanicole wrote:
At 7/17/2015 4:03:28 AM, graceofgod wrote:
how do they support the invisible return of Jesus in 1914 with scripture..

or the arch angel michael being Jesus..?

You can look those two questions up on their site, jw.org.

I have and they still make no sense...

the idea of Jesus returning invisibly has changed, they now claim it was the beginning of his kingdom on earth which makes no sense either..

they have claimed God told them when the earth will finish and kept getting wrong they now declare "soon" which is much safer...
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7/17/2015 9:43:32 AM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 7/17/2015 9:40:33 AM, graceofgod wrote:
At 7/17/2015 9:37:34 AM, annanicole wrote:
At 7/17/2015 4:03:28 AM, graceofgod wrote:
how do they support the invisible return of Jesus in 1914 with scripture..

or the arch angel michael being Jesus..?

You can look those two questions up on their site, jw.org.

I have and they still make no sense...

The 1914 claim is based upon their "calculations" which proceed from their idea of when the command to rebuild the temple actually occurred. They say it was 606 BC. Then they have a rather literalistic method of calculating the rest.

the idea of Jesus returning invisibly has changed, they now claim it was the beginning of his kingdom on earth which makes no sense either..

they have claimed God told them when the earth will finish and kept getting wrong they now declare "soon" which is much safer...

Even "soon" isn't safe.
Madcornishbiker: "No, I don't need a dictionary, I know how scripture uses words and that is all I need to now."
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7/17/2015 9:49:36 AM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 7/17/2015 9:43:32 AM, annanicole wrote:
At 7/17/2015 9:40:33 AM, graceofgod wrote:
At 7/17/2015 9:37:34 AM, annanicole wrote:
At 7/17/2015 4:03:28 AM, graceofgod wrote:
how do they support the invisible return of Jesus in 1914 with scripture..

or the arch angel michael being Jesus..?

You can look those two questions up on their site, jw.org.

I have and they still make no sense...

The 1914 claim is based upon their "calculations" which proceed from their idea of when the command to rebuild the temple actually occurred. They say it was 606 BC. Then they have a rather literalistic method of calculating the rest.

the idea of Jesus returning invisibly has changed, they now claim it was the beginning of his kingdom on earth which makes no sense either..

they have claimed God told them when the earth will finish and kept getting wrong they now declare "soon" which is much safer...

Even "soon" isn't safe.

the calculation part came from pyramidology that taze russel was very much in to....

"soon" isn't completely safe but it is safer than giving a year ....
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7/17/2015 10:54:23 AM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 7/17/2015 9:49:36 AM, graceofgod wrote:
At 7/17/2015 9:43:32 AM, annanicole wrote:
At 7/17/2015 9:40:33 AM, graceofgod wrote:
At 7/17/2015 9:37:34 AM, annanicole wrote:
At 7/17/2015 4:03:28 AM, graceofgod wrote:
how do they support the invisible return of Jesus in 1914 with scripture..

or the arch angel michael being Jesus..?

You can look those two questions up on their site, jw.org.

I have and they still make no sense...

The 1914 claim is based upon their "calculations" which proceed from their idea of when the command to rebuild the temple actually occurred. They say it was 606 BC. Then they have a rather literalistic method of calculating the rest.

the idea of Jesus returning invisibly has changed, they now claim it was the beginning of his kingdom on earth which makes no sense either..

they have claimed God told them when the earth will finish and kept getting wrong they now declare "soon" which is much safer...

Even "soon" isn't safe.

the calculation part came from pyramidology that taze russel was very much in to....

No, it didn't. It came from the decree to rebuild the temple, coupled with a mish-mash of unrelated passages.
Madcornishbiker: "No, I don't need a dictionary, I know how scripture uses words and that is all I need to now."
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7/17/2015 12:07:21 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 7/17/2015 10:54:23 AM, annanicole wrote:
At 7/17/2015 9:49:36 AM, graceofgod wrote:
At 7/17/2015 9:43:32 AM, annanicole wrote:
At 7/17/2015 9:40:33 AM, graceofgod wrote:
At 7/17/2015 9:37:34 AM, annanicole wrote:
At 7/17/2015 4:03:28 AM, graceofgod wrote:
how do they support the invisible return of Jesus in 1914 with scripture..

or the arch angel michael being Jesus..?

You can look those two questions up on their site, jw.org.

I have and they still make no sense...

The 1914 claim is based upon their "calculations" which proceed from their idea of when the command to rebuild the temple actually occurred. They say it was 606 BC. Then they have a rather literalistic method of calculating the rest.

the idea of Jesus returning invisibly has changed, they now claim it was the beginning of his kingdom on earth which makes no sense either..

they have claimed God told them when the earth will finish and kept getting wrong they now declare "soon" which is much safer...

Even "soon" isn't safe.

the calculation part came from pyramidology that taze russel was very much in to....

No, it didn't. It came from the decree to rebuild the temple, coupled with a mish-mash of unrelated passages.

taze russel was in to pyramidology, part of the dates were taken from the length of the passage in the main pyramid in giza..

check his grave stone...
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7/17/2015 1:18:51 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 7/17/2015 12:07:21 PM, graceofgod wrote:
At 7/17/2015 10:54:23 AM, annanicole wrote:
At 7/17/2015 9:49:36 AM, graceofgod wrote:
At 7/17/2015 9:43:32 AM, annanicole wrote:
At 7/17/2015 9:40:33 AM, graceofgod wrote:
At 7/17/2015 9:37:34 AM, annanicole wrote:
At 7/17/2015 4:03:28 AM, graceofgod wrote:
how do they support the invisible return of Jesus in 1914 with scripture..

or the arch angel michael being Jesus..?

You can look those two questions up on their site, jw.org.

I have and they still make no sense...

The 1914 claim is based upon their "calculations" which proceed from their idea of when the command to rebuild the temple actually occurred. They say it was 606 BC. Then they have a rather literalistic method of calculating the rest.

the idea of Jesus returning invisibly has changed, they now claim it was the beginning of his kingdom on earth which makes no sense either..

they have claimed God told them when the earth will finish and kept getting wrong they now declare "soon" which is much safer...

Even "soon" isn't safe.

the calculation part came from pyramidology that taze russel was very much in to....

No, it didn't. It came from the decree to rebuild the temple, coupled with a mish-mash of unrelated passages.

taze russel was in to pyramidology, part of the dates were taken from the length of the passage in the main pyramid in giza..

check his grave stone...

What C. T. Russell taught is not what they teach today.
Madcornishbiker: "No, I don't need a dictionary, I know how scripture uses words and that is all I need to now."
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7/17/2015 3:48:24 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 7/17/2015 1:18:51 PM, annanicole wrote:
At 7/17/2015 12:07:21 PM, graceofgod wrote:
At 7/17/2015 10:54:23 AM, annanicole wrote:
At 7/17/2015 9:49:36 AM, graceofgod wrote:
At 7/17/2015 9:43:32 AM, annanicole wrote:
At 7/17/2015 9:40:33 AM, graceofgod wrote:
At 7/17/2015 9:37:34 AM, annanicole wrote:
At 7/17/2015 4:03:28 AM, graceofgod wrote:
how do they support the invisible return of Jesus in 1914 with scripture..

or the arch angel michael being Jesus..?

You can look those two questions up on their site, jw.org.

I have and they still make no sense...

The 1914 claim is based upon their "calculations" which proceed from their idea of when the command to rebuild the temple actually occurred. They say it was 606 BC. Then they have a rather literalistic method of calculating the rest.

the idea of Jesus returning invisibly has changed, they now claim it was the beginning of his kingdom on earth which makes no sense either..

they have claimed God told them when the earth will finish and kept getting wrong they now declare "soon" which is much safer...

Even "soon" isn't safe.

the calculation part came from pyramidology that taze russel was very much in to....

No, it didn't. It came from the decree to rebuild the temple, coupled with a mish-mash of unrelated passages.

taze russel was in to pyramidology, part of the dates were taken from the length of the passage in the main pyramid in giza..

check his grave stone...

What C. T. Russell taught is not what they teach today.

of course not they don't teach their mistakes, they won't tell anyone else they predicted the end of the world 5 times and got it wrong...
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7/17/2015 4:05:50 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 7/17/2015 3:48:24 PM, graceofgod wrote:
At 7/17/2015 1:18:51 PM, annanicole wrote:
At 7/17/2015 12:07:21 PM, graceofgod wrote:
At 7/17/2015 10:54:23 AM, annanicole wrote:
At 7/17/2015 9:49:36 AM, graceofgod wrote:
At 7/17/2015 9:43:32 AM, annanicole wrote:
At 7/17/2015 9:40:33 AM, graceofgod wrote:
At 7/17/2015 9:37:34 AM, annanicole wrote:
At 7/17/2015 4:03:28 AM, graceofgod wrote:
how do they support the invisible return of Jesus in 1914 with scripture..

or the arch angel michael being Jesus..?

You can look those two questions up on their site, jw.org.

I have and they still make no sense...

The 1914 claim is based upon their "calculations" which proceed from their idea of when the command to rebuild the temple actually occurred. They say it was 606 BC. Then they have a rather literalistic method of calculating the rest.

the idea of Jesus returning invisibly has changed, they now claim it was the beginning of his kingdom on earth which makes no sense either..

they have claimed God told them when the earth will finish and kept getting wrong they now declare "soon" which is much safer...

Even "soon" isn't safe.

the calculation part came from pyramidology that taze russel was very much in to....

No, it didn't. It came from the decree to rebuild the temple, coupled with a mish-mash of unrelated passages.

taze russel was in to pyramidology, part of the dates were taken from the length of the passage in the main pyramid in giza..

check his grave stone...

What C. T. Russell taught is not what they teach today.

of course not they don't teach their mistakes, they won't tell anyone else they predicted the end of the world 5 times and got it wrong...

Ummm ... yeah, they will. They just claim "the light is getting brighter", and move on. And FYI, they screwed up way more than 5 times. Heck, they screwed up 5 times in 5 yrs.
Madcornishbiker: "No, I don't need a dictionary, I know how scripture uses words and that is all I need to now."
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7/17/2015 4:09:24 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 7/17/2015 4:05:50 PM, annanicole wrote:
At 7/17/2015 3:48:24 PM, graceofgod wrote:
At 7/17/2015 1:18:51 PM, annanicole wrote:
At 7/17/2015 12:07:21 PM, graceofgod wrote:
At 7/17/2015 10:54:23 AM, annanicole wrote:
At 7/17/2015 9:49:36 AM, graceofgod wrote:
At 7/17/2015 9:43:32 AM, annanicole wrote:
At 7/17/2015 9:40:33 AM, graceofgod wrote:
At 7/17/2015 9:37:34 AM, annanicole wrote:
At 7/17/2015 4:03:28 AM, graceofgod wrote:
how do they support the invisible return of Jesus in 1914 with scripture..

or the arch angel michael being Jesus..?

You can look those two questions up on their site, jw.org.

I have and they still make no sense...

The 1914 claim is based upon their "calculations" which proceed from their idea of when the command to rebuild the temple actually occurred. They say it was 606 BC. Then they have a rather literalistic method of calculating the rest.

the idea of Jesus returning invisibly has changed, they now claim it was the beginning of his kingdom on earth which makes no sense either..

they have claimed God told them when the earth will finish and kept getting wrong they now declare "soon" which is much safer...

Even "soon" isn't safe.

the calculation part came from pyramidology that taze russel was very much in to....

No, it didn't. It came from the decree to rebuild the temple, coupled with a mish-mash of unrelated passages.

taze russel was in to pyramidology, part of the dates were taken from the length of the passage in the main pyramid in giza..

check his grave stone...

What C. T. Russell taught is not what they teach today.

of course not they don't teach their mistakes, they won't tell anyone else they predicted the end of the world 5 times and got it wrong...

Ummm ... yeah, they will. They just claim "the light is getting brighter", and move on. And FYI, they screwed up way more than 5 times. Heck, they screwed up 5 times in 5 yrs.

I do like the "light gets brighter" trick, how can they get away with it, they claim God directs them and them alone and then when something they say is wrong they some how cover it up as if God only gave them some of the truth but what they came out with was a total lie, pretty amazing control they have...

read about Beth sarim that's an interesting part of their past...
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7/17/2015 4:45:10 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 7/17/2015 4:09:24 PM, graceofgod wrote:
At 7/17/2015 4:05:50 PM, annanicole wrote:
At 7/17/2015 3:48:24 PM, graceofgod wrote:
At 7/17/2015 1:18:51 PM, annanicole wrote:
At 7/17/2015 12:07:21 PM, graceofgod wrote:
At 7/17/2015 10:54:23 AM, annanicole wrote:
At 7/17/2015 9:49:36 AM, graceofgod wrote:
At 7/17/2015 9:43:32 AM, annanicole wrote:
At 7/17/2015 9:40:33 AM, graceofgod wrote:
At 7/17/2015 9:37:34 AM, annanicole wrote:
At 7/17/2015 4:03:28 AM, graceofgod wrote:
how do they support the invisible return of Jesus in 1914 with scripture..

or the arch angel michael being Jesus..?

You can look those two questions up on their site, jw.org.

I have and they still make no sense...

The 1914 claim is based upon their "calculations" which proceed from their idea of when the command to rebuild the temple actually occurred. They say it was 606 BC. Then they have a rather literalistic method of calculating the rest.

the idea of Jesus returning invisibly has changed, they now claim it was the beginning of his kingdom on earth which makes no sense either..

they have claimed God told them when the earth will finish and kept getting wrong they now declare "soon" which is much safer...

Even "soon" isn't safe.

the calculation part came from pyramidology that taze russel was very much in to....

No, it didn't. It came from the decree to rebuild the temple, coupled with a mish-mash of unrelated passages.

taze russel was in to pyramidology, part of the dates were taken from the length of the passage in the main pyramid in giza..

check his grave stone...

What C. T. Russell taught is not what they teach today.

of course not they don't teach their mistakes, they won't tell anyone else they predicted the end of the world 5 times and got it wrong...

Ummm ... yeah, they will. They just claim "the light is getting brighter", and move on. And FYI, they screwed up way more than 5 times. Heck, they screwed up 5 times in 5 yrs.

I do like the "light gets brighter" trick, how can they get away with it, they claim God directs them and them alone and then when something they say is wrong they some how cover it up as if God only gave them some of the truth but what they came out with was a total lie, pretty amazing control they have...

read about Beth sarim that's an interesting part of their past...

I know all about Beth Sarim. That old sot Rutherford used it as his residence.
Madcornishbiker: "No, I don't need a dictionary, I know how scripture uses words and that is all I need to now."
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7/17/2015 4:50:06 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 7/17/2015 4:45:10 PM, annanicole wrote:
At 7/17/2015 4:09:24 PM, graceofgod wrote:
At 7/17/2015 4:05:50 PM, annanicole wrote:
At 7/17/2015 3:48:24 PM, graceofgod wrote:
At 7/17/2015 1:18:51 PM, annanicole wrote:
At 7/17/2015 12:07:21 PM, graceofgod wrote:
At 7/17/2015 10:54:23 AM, annanicole wrote:
At 7/17/2015 9:49:36 AM, graceofgod wrote:
At 7/17/2015 9:43:32 AM, annanicole wrote:
At 7/17/2015 9:40:33 AM, graceofgod wrote:
At 7/17/2015 9:37:34 AM, annanicole wrote:
At 7/17/2015 4:03:28 AM, graceofgod wrote:
how do they support the invisible return of Jesus in 1914 with scripture..

or the arch angel michael being Jesus..?

You can look those two questions up on their site, jw.org.

I have and they still make no sense...

The 1914 claim is based upon their "calculations" which proceed from their idea of when the command to rebuild the temple actually occurred. They say it was 606 BC. Then they have a rather literalistic method of calculating the rest.

the idea of Jesus returning invisibly has changed, they now claim it was the beginning of his kingdom on earth which makes no sense either..

they have claimed God told them when the earth will finish and kept getting wrong they now declare "soon" which is much safer...

Even "soon" isn't safe.

the calculation part came from pyramidology that taze russel was very much in to....

No, it didn't. It came from the decree to rebuild the temple, coupled with a mish-mash of unrelated passages.

taze russel was in to pyramidology, part of the dates were taken from the length of the passage in the main pyramid in giza..

check his grave stone...

What C. T. Russell taught is not what they teach today.

of course not they don't teach their mistakes, they won't tell anyone else they predicted the end of the world 5 times and got it wrong...

Ummm ... yeah, they will. They just claim "the light is getting brighter", and move on. And FYI, they screwed up way more than 5 times. Heck, they screwed up 5 times in 5 yrs.

I do like the "light gets brighter" trick, how can they get away with it, they claim God directs them and them alone and then when something they say is wrong they some how cover it up as if God only gave them some of the truth but what they came out with was a total lie, pretty amazing control they have...

read about Beth sarim that's an interesting part of their past...

I know all about Beth Sarim. That old sot Rutherford used it as his residence.

that's the one a huge palatial mansion purchased by the JW'S and put in to trust by deed to the old testament princes on their return to the earth, it was quietly sold of many years later and its truth buried to hide their mistake.
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7/18/2015 3:40:16 AM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 7/17/2015 4:38:06 AM, anonymouswho wrote:
At 7/17/2015 4:03:28 AM, graceofgod wrote:
how do they support the invisible return of Jesus in 1914 with scripture..

or the arch angel michael being Jesus..?

Hello my friend. I'm not a Jehovah Witness, but I have looked into some things they believe. The return of Jesus in 1914 is a bit strange to me. But I wouldn't put off Jesus being Michael the archangel so quickly. They actually have very good reasons for believing this. Actually, many people believed this long before the Jehovah Witnesses started. This guy isn't a Witness either, but he is pretty convincing:

http://www.herealittletherealittle.net...

(I don't believe Yeshua is Michael, but you asked why they believe so I was just trying to show you that they do have good reasons)

If you don't mind, I'd like to ask what exactly it is that you believe. Do you believe in the trinity, free will, Lucifer, or hell? I personally consider all of these things to be strange ideas. I believe Yeshua was a Man and the Son of God, God has determined all things, the whole Lucifer falling from heaven story is an unscriptural pagan myth along the lines of Prometheus, and I wholeheartedly believe that God will reconcile all things and gather the entire world back to Himself because of Yeshua

Thank you my friend and God bless you.

apart from the fact that michael could not rebuke satan when Jesus could...

and of course angels do not create things and everything was created through Jesus..

angels can appear as human but do not have bodies...
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7/18/2015 3:55:25 AM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 7/17/2015 4:03:28 AM, graceofgod wrote:
how do they support the invisible return of Jesus in 1914 with scripture..

or the arch angel michael being Jesus..?

All religions have strange ideas.
Which one do you belong to?
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7/18/2015 3:58:13 AM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 7/18/2015 3:55:25 AM, Skyangel wrote:
At 7/17/2015 4:03:28 AM, graceofgod wrote:
how do they support the invisible return of Jesus in 1914 with scripture..

or the arch angel michael being Jesus..?

All religions have strange ideas.
Which one do you belong to?

I have a faith... I try to avoid religion, I'm a bible believing Christian..
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7/18/2015 4:00:54 AM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 7/17/2015 4:03:28 AM, graceofgod wrote:
how do they support the invisible return of Jesus in 1914 with scripture..

or the arch angel michael being Jesus..?

I was never taught that Michael and Jesus were the same... This is a false statement.
I have no problem with the existence of a "god." It is the behavior of his fan clubs that frightens me to no end...
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7/18/2015 4:02:41 AM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 7/17/2015 5:54:37 AM, JJ50 wrote:
The JWs are one of the crazier and more unpleasant cults.

They are still dwarfed by the stupidity and virulence of the catholic church.
I have no problem with the existence of a "god." It is the behavior of his fan clubs that frightens me to no end...
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7/18/2015 4:02:42 AM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 7/18/2015 3:58:13 AM, graceofgod wrote:
At 7/18/2015 3:55:25 AM, Skyangel wrote:
At 7/17/2015 4:03:28 AM, graceofgod wrote:
how do they support the invisible return of Jesus in 1914 with scripture..

or the arch angel michael being Jesus..?

All religions have strange ideas.
Which one do you belong to?

I have a faith... I try to avoid religion, I'm a bible believing Christian..

Sure you are. They all claim they are bible believing Christians and all preach different gospels, different doctrines, and follow different Gods. Some say Jesus is God and some don't. They all claim they are right and others are wrong.
Christianity preaches a great variety of false Christs. Take your pick as to which one you wish to follow as you wait forever for him to return soon.
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7/18/2015 4:03:06 AM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 7/18/2015 4:00:54 AM, Draconius wrote:
At 7/17/2015 4:03:28 AM, graceofgod wrote:
how do they support the invisible return of Jesus in 1914 with scripture..

or the arch angel michael being Jesus..?

I was never taught that Michael and Jesus were the same... This is a false statement.

it is not a false, it is and still is part of the JW doctrines....
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7/18/2015 4:04:15 AM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 7/18/2015 4:03:06 AM, graceofgod wrote:
At 7/18/2015 4:00:54 AM, Draconius wrote:
At 7/17/2015 4:03:28 AM, graceofgod wrote:
how do they support the invisible return of Jesus in 1914 with scripture..

or the arch angel michael being Jesus..?

I was never taught that Michael and Jesus were the same... This is a false statement.

it is not a false, it is and still is part of the JW doctrines....

I was raised in that religion. I know it to be false, unless it has changed, in the last 30+ years.
I have no problem with the existence of a "god." It is the behavior of his fan clubs that frightens me to no end...
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7/18/2015 4:06:52 AM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 7/18/2015 4:02:42 AM, Skyangel wrote:
At 7/18/2015 3:58:13 AM, graceofgod wrote:
At 7/18/2015 3:55:25 AM, Skyangel wrote:
At 7/17/2015 4:03:28 AM, graceofgod wrote:
how do they support the invisible return of Jesus in 1914 with scripture..

or the arch angel michael being Jesus..?

All religions have strange ideas.
Which one do you belong to?

I have a faith... I try to avoid religion, I'm a bible believing Christian..

Sure you are. They all claim they are bible believing Christians and all preach different gospels, different doctrines, and follow different Gods. Some say Jesus is God and some don't. They all claim they are right and others are wrong.
Christianity preaches a great variety of false Christs. Take your pick as to which one you wish to follow as you wait forever for him to return soon.

Bless you i will wait..
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7/18/2015 4:09:05 AM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 7/18/2015 4:04:15 AM, Draconius wrote:
At 7/18/2015 4:03:06 AM, graceofgod wrote:
At 7/18/2015 4:00:54 AM, Draconius wrote:
At 7/17/2015 4:03:28 AM, graceofgod wrote:
how do they support the invisible return of Jesus in 1914 with scripture..

or the arch angel michael being Jesus..?

I was never taught that Michael and Jesus were the same... This is a false statement.

it is not a false, it is and still is part of the JW doctrines....

I was raised in that religion. I know it to be false, unless it has changed, in the last 30+ years.

http://www.jw.org...

perhaps you knew less than you thought about it...

did you know about beth sarim...??
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7/18/2015 4:13:23 AM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 7/18/2015 4:09:05 AM, graceofgod wrote:
At 7/18/2015 4:04:15 AM, Draconius wrote:
At 7/18/2015 4:03:06 AM, graceofgod wrote:
At 7/18/2015 4:00:54 AM, Draconius wrote:
At 7/17/2015 4:03:28 AM, graceofgod wrote:
how do they support the invisible return of Jesus in 1914 with scripture..

or the arch angel michael being Jesus..?

I was never taught that Michael and Jesus were the same... This is a false statement.

it is not a false, it is and still is part of the JW doctrines....

I was raised in that religion. I know it to be false, unless it has changed, in the last 30+ years.

http://www.jw.org...

perhaps you knew less than you thought about it...

did you know about beth sarim...??

Then this has changed, since I was being indoctrinated. I left that religion in the late 70's so I can accept that my understanding is outdated. Beth Sarim was something about which I learned long after having left, but that "temple" or house is still nothing more than another JW retardation.
I have no problem with the existence of a "god." It is the behavior of his fan clubs that frightens me to no end...