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7/17/2015 11:30:51 AM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 7/17/2015 10:54:13 AM, graceofgod wrote:
do you find them to be strange Christians...??

I find their beliefs to be odd and unfounded in the same way that most religion's beliefs are odd and unfounded. The oddness of their beliefs is not exclusive to them.
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7/17/2015 11:32:47 AM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 7/17/2015 11:30:51 AM, joetheripper117 wrote:
At 7/17/2015 10:54:13 AM, graceofgod wrote:
do you find them to be strange Christians...??

I find their beliefs to be odd and unfounded in the same way that most religion's beliefs are odd and unfounded. The oddness of their beliefs is not exclusive to them.

I would beg to differ, they are very different in beliefs to most people that would call themselves Christians...
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7/17/2015 11:35:56 AM
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At 7/17/2015 11:32:47 AM, graceofgod wrote:
At 7/17/2015 11:30:51 AM, joetheripper117 wrote:
At 7/17/2015 10:54:13 AM, graceofgod wrote:
do you find them to be strange Christians...??

I find their beliefs to be odd and unfounded in the same way that most religion's beliefs are odd and unfounded. The oddness of their beliefs is not exclusive to them.

I would beg to differ, they are very different in beliefs to most people that would call themselves Christians...

I did not mean to imply that their beliefs are the same as Christians, as you are correct in the way that they are very different. I was referring to the fact that even though they believe different things that I personally find ridiculous, other religions believe in other things that I find ridiculous. My point was not that they were the same as other religions, but that having odd beliefs is not a trait exclusive to them.
"By all means let's be open-minded, but not so open-minded that our brains drop out."
-Richard Dawkins
"The onus is on you to say why; the onus is not on the rest of us to say why not."
-Richard Dawkins
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7/17/2015 11:40:47 AM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 7/17/2015 11:35:56 AM, joetheripper117 wrote:
At 7/17/2015 11:32:47 AM, graceofgod wrote:
At 7/17/2015 11:30:51 AM, joetheripper117 wrote:
At 7/17/2015 10:54:13 AM, graceofgod wrote:
do you find them to be strange Christians...??

I find their beliefs to be odd and unfounded in the same way that most religion's beliefs are odd and unfounded. The oddness of their beliefs is not exclusive to them.

I would beg to differ, they are very different in beliefs to most people that would call themselves Christians...

I did not mean to imply that their beliefs are the same as Christians, as you are correct in the way that they are very different. I was referring to the fact that even though they believe different things that I personally find ridiculous, other religions believe in other things that I find ridiculous. My point was not that they were the same as other religions, but that having odd beliefs is not a trait exclusive to them.

no problem, I appreciate your input...

I was looking more from the point of view that as they take the title christians they have many strange beliefs many of which go directly against bible scripture..
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7/17/2015 11:48:54 AM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 7/17/2015 11:40:47 AM, graceofgod wrote:
At 7/17/2015 11:35:56 AM, joetheripper117 wrote:
At 7/17/2015 11:32:47 AM, graceofgod wrote:
At 7/17/2015 11:30:51 AM, joetheripper117 wrote:
At 7/17/2015 10:54:13 AM, graceofgod wrote:
do you find them to be strange Christians...??

I find their beliefs to be odd and unfounded in the same way that most religion's beliefs are odd and unfounded. The oddness of their beliefs is not exclusive to them.

I would beg to differ, they are very different in beliefs to most people that would call themselves Christians...

I did not mean to imply that their beliefs are the same as Christians, as you are correct in the way that they are very different. I was referring to the fact that even though they believe different things that I personally find ridiculous, other religions believe in other things that I find ridiculous. My point was not that they were the same as other religions, but that having odd beliefs is not a trait exclusive to them.

no problem, I appreciate your input...

I was looking more from the point of view that as they take the title christians they have many strange beliefs many of which go directly against bible scripture..

Isn't belief in salvation through Jesus enough to grant someone the title of Christian?
"By all means let's be open-minded, but not so open-minded that our brains drop out."
-Richard Dawkins
"The onus is on you to say why; the onus is not on the rest of us to say why not."
-Richard Dawkins
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7/17/2015 11:52:01 AM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 7/17/2015 11:48:54 AM, joetheripper117 wrote:
At 7/17/2015 11:40:47 AM, graceofgod wrote:
At 7/17/2015 11:35:56 AM, joetheripper117 wrote:
At 7/17/2015 11:32:47 AM, graceofgod wrote:
At 7/17/2015 11:30:51 AM, joetheripper117 wrote:
At 7/17/2015 10:54:13 AM, graceofgod wrote:
do you find them to be strange Christians...??

I find their beliefs to be odd and unfounded in the same way that most religion's beliefs are odd and unfounded. The oddness of their beliefs is not exclusive to them.

I would beg to differ, they are very different in beliefs to most people that would call themselves Christians...

I did not mean to imply that their beliefs are the same as Christians, as you are correct in the way that they are very different. I was referring to the fact that even though they believe different things that I personally find ridiculous, other religions believe in other things that I find ridiculous. My point was not that they were the same as other religions, but that having odd beliefs is not a trait exclusive to them.

no problem, I appreciate your input...

I was looking more from the point of view that as they take the title christians they have many strange beliefs many of which go directly against bible scripture..

Isn't belief in salvation through Jesus enough to grant someone the title of Christian?

It kinda hinges on who Jesus is I suppose , if you are believing on a completely different Jesus it would make quite a difference..
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7/17/2015 11:54:08 AM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 7/17/2015 10:54:13 AM, graceofgod wrote:
do you find them to be strange Christians...??

No. In fact, I am one.
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7/17/2015 11:56:13 AM
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At 7/17/2015 11:52:01 AM, graceofgod wrote:
At 7/17/2015 11:48:54 AM, joetheripper117 wrote:
At 7/17/2015 11:40:47 AM, graceofgod wrote:
At 7/17/2015 11:35:56 AM, joetheripper117 wrote:
At 7/17/2015 11:32:47 AM, graceofgod wrote:
At 7/17/2015 11:30:51 AM, joetheripper117 wrote:
At 7/17/2015 10:54:13 AM, graceofgod wrote:
do you find them to be strange Christians...??

I find their beliefs to be odd and unfounded in the same way that most religion's beliefs are odd and unfounded. The oddness of their beliefs is not exclusive to them.

I would beg to differ, they are very different in beliefs to most people that would call themselves Christians...

I did not mean to imply that their beliefs are the same as Christians, as you are correct in the way that they are very different. I was referring to the fact that even though they believe different things that I personally find ridiculous, other religions believe in other things that I find ridiculous. My point was not that they were the same as other religions, but that having odd beliefs is not a trait exclusive to them.

no problem, I appreciate your input...

I was looking more from the point of view that as they take the title christians they have many strange beliefs many of which go directly against bible scripture..

Isn't belief in salvation through Jesus enough to grant someone the title of Christian?

It kinda hinges on who Jesus is I suppose , if you are believing on a completely different Jesus it would make quite a difference..

Besides the fact that their Jesus appeared twice instead of once, is there any massive difference in what the two Jesuses taught?
"By all means let's be open-minded, but not so open-minded that our brains drop out."
-Richard Dawkins
"The onus is on you to say why; the onus is not on the rest of us to say why not."
-Richard Dawkins
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7/17/2015 12:01:18 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 7/17/2015 11:56:13 AM, joetheripper117 wrote:
At 7/17/2015 11:52:01 AM, graceofgod wrote:
At 7/17/2015 11:48:54 AM, joetheripper117 wrote:
At 7/17/2015 11:40:47 AM, graceofgod wrote:
At 7/17/2015 11:35:56 AM, joetheripper117 wrote:
At 7/17/2015 11:32:47 AM, graceofgod wrote:
At 7/17/2015 11:30:51 AM, joetheripper117 wrote:
At 7/17/2015 10:54:13 AM, graceofgod wrote:
do you find them to be strange Christians...??

I find their beliefs to be odd and unfounded in the same way that most religion's beliefs are odd and unfounded. The oddness of their beliefs is not exclusive to them.

I would beg to differ, they are very different in beliefs to most people that would call themselves Christians...

I did not mean to imply that their beliefs are the same as Christians, as you are correct in the way that they are very different. I was referring to the fact that even though they believe different things that I personally find ridiculous, other religions believe in other things that I find ridiculous. My point was not that they were the same as other religions, but that having odd beliefs is not a trait exclusive to them.

no problem, I appreciate your input...

I was looking more from the point of view that as they take the title christians they have many strange beliefs many of which go directly against bible scripture..

Isn't belief in salvation through Jesus enough to grant someone the title of Christian?

It kinda hinges on who Jesus is I suppose , if you are believing on a completely different Jesus it would make quite a difference..

Besides the fact that their Jesus appeared twice instead of once, is there any massive difference in what the two Jesuses taught?

who he is to them is the biggest difference, there is differences in salvation to, the teachings of the bom as well as given doctrine from the leaders changes things quite dramatically..
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7/17/2015 12:09:27 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 7/17/2015 12:01:18 PM, graceofgod wrote:
At 7/17/2015 11:56:13 AM, joetheripper117 wrote:
At 7/17/2015 11:52:01 AM, graceofgod wrote:
At 7/17/2015 11:48:54 AM, joetheripper117 wrote:
At 7/17/2015 11:40:47 AM, graceofgod wrote:
At 7/17/2015 11:35:56 AM, joetheripper117 wrote:
At 7/17/2015 11:32:47 AM, graceofgod wrote:
At 7/17/2015 11:30:51 AM, joetheripper117 wrote:
At 7/17/2015 10:54:13 AM, graceofgod wrote:
do you find them to be strange Christians...??

I find their beliefs to be odd and unfounded in the same way that most religion's beliefs are odd and unfounded. The oddness of their beliefs is not exclusive to them.

I would beg to differ, they are very different in beliefs to most people that would call themselves Christians...

I did not mean to imply that their beliefs are the same as Christians, as you are correct in the way that they are very different. I was referring to the fact that even though they believe different things that I personally find ridiculous, other religions believe in other things that I find ridiculous. My point was not that they were the same as other religions, but that having odd beliefs is not a trait exclusive to them.

no problem, I appreciate your input...

I was looking more from the point of view that as they take the title christians they have many strange beliefs many of which go directly against bible scripture..

Isn't belief in salvation through Jesus enough to grant someone the title of Christian?

It kinda hinges on who Jesus is I suppose , if you are believing on a completely different Jesus it would make quite a difference..

Besides the fact that their Jesus appeared twice instead of once, is there any massive difference in what the two Jesuses taught?

who he is to them is the biggest difference, there is differences in salvation to, the teachings of the bom as well as given doctrine from the leaders changes things quite dramatically..

But are those differences to dramatic that they cannot be considered Christians? Couldn't they just be seen as another sect of Christianity?
"By all means let's be open-minded, but not so open-minded that our brains drop out."
-Richard Dawkins
"The onus is on you to say why; the onus is not on the rest of us to say why not."
-Richard Dawkins
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7/17/2015 12:11:35 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 7/17/2015 12:09:27 PM, joetheripper117 wrote:
At 7/17/2015 12:01:18 PM, graceofgod wrote:
At 7/17/2015 11:56:13 AM, joetheripper117 wrote:
At 7/17/2015 11:52:01 AM, graceofgod wrote:
At 7/17/2015 11:48:54 AM, joetheripper117 wrote:
At 7/17/2015 11:40:47 AM, graceofgod wrote:
At 7/17/2015 11:35:56 AM, joetheripper117 wrote:
At 7/17/2015 11:32:47 AM, graceofgod wrote:
At 7/17/2015 11:30:51 AM, joetheripper117 wrote:
At 7/17/2015 10:54:13 AM, graceofgod wrote:
do you find them to be strange Christians...??

I find their beliefs to be odd and unfounded in the same way that most religion's beliefs are odd and unfounded. The oddness of their beliefs is not exclusive to them.

I would beg to differ, they are very different in beliefs to most people that would call themselves Christians...

I did not mean to imply that their beliefs are the same as Christians, as you are correct in the way that they are very different. I was referring to the fact that even though they believe different things that I personally find ridiculous, other religions believe in other things that I find ridiculous. My point was not that they were the same as other religions, but that having odd beliefs is not a trait exclusive to them.

no problem, I appreciate your input...

I was looking more from the point of view that as they take the title christians they have many strange beliefs many of which go directly against bible scripture..

Isn't belief in salvation through Jesus enough to grant someone the title of Christian?

It kinda hinges on who Jesus is I suppose , if you are believing on a completely different Jesus it would make quite a difference..

Besides the fact that their Jesus appeared twice instead of once, is there any massive difference in what the two Jesuses taught?

who he is to them is the biggest difference, there is differences in salvation to, the teachings of the bom as well as given doctrine from the leaders changes things quite dramatically..

But are those differences to dramatic that they cannot be considered Christians? Couldn't they just be seen as another sect of Christianity?

well i've never seen the temple marriage mentioned in salvation in the bible..

technically if you go by jo smiths rules you have to be married more than once..

then you have the three degrees of heaven....
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7/17/2015 12:38:45 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 7/17/2015 12:11:35 PM, graceofgod wrote:
At 7/17/2015 12:09:27 PM, joetheripper117 wrote:
At 7/17/2015 12:01:18 PM, graceofgod wrote:
At 7/17/2015 11:56:13 AM, joetheripper117 wrote:
At 7/17/2015 11:52:01 AM, graceofgod wrote:
At 7/17/2015 11:48:54 AM, joetheripper117 wrote:
At 7/17/2015 11:40:47 AM, graceofgod wrote:
At 7/17/2015 11:35:56 AM, joetheripper117 wrote:
At 7/17/2015 11:32:47 AM, graceofgod wrote:
At 7/17/2015 11:30:51 AM, joetheripper117 wrote:
At 7/17/2015 10:54:13 AM, graceofgod wrote:
do you find them to be strange Christians...??

I find their beliefs to be odd and unfounded in the same way that most religion's beliefs are odd and unfounded. The oddness of their beliefs is not exclusive to them.

I would beg to differ, they are very different in beliefs to most people that would call themselves Christians...

I did not mean to imply that their beliefs are the same as Christians, as you are correct in the way that they are very different. I was referring to the fact that even though they believe different things that I personally find ridiculous, other religions believe in other things that I find ridiculous. My point was not that they were the same as other religions, but that having odd beliefs is not a trait exclusive to them.

no problem, I appreciate your input...

I was looking more from the point of view that as they take the title christians they have many strange beliefs many of which go directly against bible scripture..

Isn't belief in salvation through Jesus enough to grant someone the title of Christian?

It kinda hinges on who Jesus is I suppose , if you are believing on a completely different Jesus it would make quite a difference..

Besides the fact that their Jesus appeared twice instead of once, is there any massive difference in what the two Jesuses taught?

who he is to them is the biggest difference, there is differences in salvation to, the teachings of the bom as well as given doctrine from the leaders changes things quite dramatically..

But are those differences to dramatic that they cannot be considered Christians? Couldn't they just be seen as another sect of Christianity?

well i've never seen the temple marriage mentioned in salvation in the bible..

technically if you go by jo smiths rules you have to be married more than once..

then you have the three degrees of heaven....

I see your point now, and can understand why you and many others would not consider them to be Christians.
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7/17/2015 3:35:36 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 7/17/2015 10:54:13 AM, graceofgod wrote:
do you find them to be strange Christians...??

1) They Believe "Jesus' Brother is Satan!"
2) They Believe "God had physical Intercourse with Mary"!
3) They Believed "J Smith can run with very, very heavy Gold plates!"
4) They Believe "There is NO Christian left in the world except them LDS"!
5) They Believe "Satan had somehow overpowered God and Satan TOOK Jesus' bride from Jesus"!
6) They Believe "The Holy Spirit Lead Jesus' established Church into error"!
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7/17/2015 3:50:58 PM
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At 7/17/2015 3:35:36 PM, Dogknox wrote:
At 7/17/2015 10:54:13 AM, graceofgod wrote:
do you find them to be strange Christians...??

1) They Believe "Jesus' Brother is Satan!"
2) They Believe "God had physical Intercourse with Mary"!
3) They Believed "J Smith can run with very, very heavy Gold plates!"
4) They Believe "There is NO Christian left in the world except them LDS"!
5) They Believe "Satan had somehow overpowered God and Satan TOOK Jesus' bride from Jesus"!
6) They Believe "The Holy Spirit Lead Jesus' established Church into error"!

pretty much...

god lives on a planet called Kolob...

when the mormon man dies he becomes a god, calls his goddess wife from the grave, she is made eternally pregnant to fill their own planet with people...
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7/17/2015 3:51:46 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 7/17/2015 10:54:13 AM, graceofgod wrote:
do you find them to be strange Christians...??

You're just jealous they've received the final revelation from the Joesph Smith.
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7/17/2015 4:12:14 PM
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At 7/17/2015 3:51:46 PM, Bennett91 wrote:
At 7/17/2015 10:54:13 AM, graceofgod wrote:
do you find them to be strange Christians...??

You're just jealous they've received the final revelation from the Joesph Smith.

yeah that must be it..lol

if he had as many final revelations as he did versions of his first vision it should prove fun...
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7/17/2015 4:17:54 PM
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At 7/17/2015 4:12:14 PM, graceofgod wrote:
At 7/17/2015 3:51:46 PM, Bennett91 wrote:
At 7/17/2015 10:54:13 AM, graceofgod wrote:
do you find them to be strange Christians...??

You're just jealous they've received the final revelation from the Joesph Smith.

yeah that must be it..lol

if he had as many final revelations as he did versions of his first vision it should prove fun...

I'm sure the Jews have a similar saying about Christians.
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7/17/2015 4:18:22 PM
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At 7/17/2015 10:54:13 AM, graceofgod wrote:
do you find them to be strange Christians...??

Anyone who brings their faith to my doorstep irritates me, but as far as their beliefs go I think the reason they seem more 'different' than other christian denominations is the inherent isolationism that their faith was founded in. Their number are usually concentrated in specific areas, promoting (at least subconsciously) the ostracism of other denominations and faiths within their communities.
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7/17/2015 4:29:12 PM
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At 7/17/2015 4:17:54 PM, Bennett91 wrote:
At 7/17/2015 4:12:14 PM, graceofgod wrote:
At 7/17/2015 3:51:46 PM, Bennett91 wrote:
At 7/17/2015 10:54:13 AM, graceofgod wrote:
do you find them to be strange Christians...??

You're just jealous they've received the final revelation from the Joesph Smith.

yeah that must be it..lol

if he had as many final revelations as he did versions of his first vision it should prove fun...

I'm sure the Jews have a similar saying about Christians.

I some how doubt it...

let's face it jo smith was never a pophet and he did not die a martyr...
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7/17/2015 6:09:43 PM
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At 7/17/2015 3:50:58 PM, graceofgod wrote:
At 7/17/2015 3:35:36 PM, Dogknox wrote:
At 7/17/2015 10:54:13 AM, graceofgod wrote:
do you find them to be strange Christians...??

1) They Believe "Jesus' Brother is Satan!"
2) They Believe "God had physical Intercourse with Mary"!
3) They Believed "J Smith can run with very, very heavy Gold plates!"
4) They Believe "There is NO Christian left in the world except them LDS"!
5) They Believe "Satan had somehow overpowered God and Satan TOOK Jesus' bride from Jesus"!
6) They Believe "The Holy Spirit Lead Jesus' established Church into error"!

pretty much...

god lives on a planet called Kolob...

when the mormon man dies he becomes a god, calls his goddess wife from the grave, she is made eternally pregnant to fill their own planet with people...
7) Yup.. I add.. Scriptures.. Even God does not know of other gods!!!!
Deuteronomy 4:35 You were shown these things so that you might know that the Lord is God; besides him there is no other.

Isaiah 45:5 I am the Lord, and there is no other; apart from me there is no God. I will strengthen you, though you have not acknowledged me,

Isaiah 45:22 "Turn to me and be saved, all you ends of the earth; for I am God, and there is no other.

8) Jesus drank Alcohol.. The bible suggests the use of wine!!!!

9) Mormonism teaches no one is forever damned to hell. Aside from Satan, his spirit followers, and perhaps a half-dozen notorious sinners, all people who have ever existed will share in heavenly "glory." Not, mind you, all in the same heaven. There are, in fact, three heavens.
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7/17/2015 6:13:31 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 7/17/2015 3:35:36 PM, Dogknox wrote:
At 7/17/2015 10:54:13 AM, graceofgod wrote:
do you find them to be strange Christians...??

1) They Believe "Jesus' Brother is Satan!"
2) They Believe "God had physical Intercourse with Mary"!
3) They Believed "J Smith can run with very, very heavy Gold plates!"
4) They Believe "There is NO Christian left in the world except them LDS"!
5) They Believe "Satan had somehow overpowered God and Satan TOOK Jesus' bride from Jesus"!
6) They Believe "The Holy Spirit Lead Jesus' established Church into error"!

7. They believe the Apostle John is still physically alive.
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7/17/2015 6:28:37 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 7/17/2015 3:35:36 PM, Dogknox wrote:
At 7/17/2015 10:54:13 AM, graceofgod wrote:
do you find them to be strange Christians...??

1) They Believe "Jesus' Brother is Satan!"
2) They Believe "God had physical Intercourse with Mary"!
3) They Believed "J Smith can run with very, very heavy Gold plates!"
4) They Believe "There is NO Christian left in the world except them LDS"!
5) They Believe "Satan had somehow overpowered God and Satan TOOK Jesus' bride from Jesus"!
6) They Believe "The Holy Spirit Lead Jesus' established Church into error"!

The only one here that is truly doctrine is number 1, number 2 is believed by some, but not doctrine. 4 is untrue, 5 I have never heard of before.... 6. untrue
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7/17/2015 6:47:52 PM
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At 7/17/2015 4:29:12 PM, graceofgod wrote:
At 7/17/2015 4:17:54 PM, Bennett91 wrote:
At 7/17/2015 4:12:14 PM, graceofgod wrote:
At 7/17/2015 3:51:46 PM, Bennett91 wrote:
At 7/17/2015 10:54:13 AM, graceofgod wrote:
do you find them to be strange Christians...??

You're just jealous they've received the final revelation from the Joesph Smith.

yeah that must be it..lol

if he had as many final revelations as he did versions of his first vision it should prove fun...

I'm sure the Jews have a similar saying about Christians.

I some how doubt it...

let's face it jo smith was never a pophet and he did not die a martyr...

Lol "lets face it, Jesus was never a prophet and he did not die a martyr" - The Jews
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7/17/2015 6:48:05 PM
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At 7/17/2015 6:28:37 PM, kasmic wrote:
At 7/17/2015 3:35:36 PM, Dogknox wrote:
At 7/17/2015 10:54:13 AM, graceofgod wrote:
do you find them to be strange Christians...??

1) They Believe "Jesus' Brother is Satan!"
2) They Believe "God had physical Intercourse with Mary"!
3) They Believed "J Smith can run with very, very heavy Gold plates!"
4) They Believe "There is NO Christian left in the world except them LDS"!
5) They Believe "Satan had somehow overpowered God and Satan TOOK Jesus' bride from Jesus"!
6) They Believe "The Holy Spirit Lead Jesus' established Church into error"!

The only one here that is truly doctrine is number 1, number 2 is believed by some, but not doctrine. 4 is untrue, 5 I have never heard of before.... 6. untrue

Joseph Smith.. Paraphrase... His words.. "There is NO church left on earth!!!!"

"No Church left" means.... Just that!!!!

He started one.....HIS OWN!!! Thus 4, 5 & 6 are indeed true!!!!

LOOK...John 14:16 And I will ask the Father, and he will give you another advocate to help you and be with you forever"

kasmic Do you understand the meaning of the word "FOREVER"!? Joseph Smith rejected John 14:16 to say what he did!!!

FOREVER means the LDS Church and Joseph Smith is a LIE!

It means J. Smith did not need to start his Church.. It means J. Smith lied and the Holy Spirit is with the One Church Jesus established and Satan did not take it from Jesus!

20 and teaching them to obey everything I have commanded you. And surely I am with you always, to the very end of the age."

This means (above) "Jesus was NOT overpowered By Satan".. That there is a CHURCH Jesus is always with his BODY to the end of time!!! This means Joseph Smith is a LIAR and his Church MUST also a LIE!

I am with you always, to the very end of the age."
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7/17/2015 7:01:08 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 7/17/2015 6:48:05 PM, Dogknox wrote:
At 7/17/2015 6:28:37 PM, kasmic wrote:
At 7/17/2015 3:35:36 PM, Dogknox wrote:
At 7/17/2015 10:54:13 AM, graceofgod wrote:
do you find them to be strange Christians...??

1) They Believe "Jesus' Brother is Satan!"
2) They Believe "God had physical Intercourse with Mary"!
3) They Believed "J Smith can run with very, very heavy Gold plates!"
4) They Believe "There is NO Christian left in the world except them LDS"!
5) They Believe "Satan had somehow overpowered God and Satan TOOK Jesus' bride from Jesus"!
6) They Believe "The Holy Spirit Lead Jesus' established Church into error"!

The only one here that is truly doctrine is number 1, number 2 is believed by some, but not doctrine. 4 is untrue, 5 I have never heard of before.... 6. untrue

Joseph Smith.. Paraphrase... His words.. "There is NO church left on earth!!!!"

"No Church left" means.... Just that!!!!

He started one.....HIS OWN!!! Thus 4, 5 & 6 are indeed true!!!!

LOOK...John 14:16 And I will ask the Father, and he will give you another advocate to help you and be with you forever"

kasmic Do you understand the meaning of the word "FOREVER"!? Joseph Smith rejected John 14:16 to say what he did!!!

FOREVER means the LDS Church and Joseph Smith is a LIE!

It means J. Smith did not need to start his Church.. It means J. Smith lied and the Holy Spirit is with the One Church Jesus established and Satan did not take it from Jesus!

20 and teaching them to obey everything I have commanded you. And surely I am with you always, to the very end of the age."

This means (above) "Jesus was NOT overpowered By Satan".. That there is a CHURCH Jesus is always with his BODY to the end of time!!! This means Joseph Smith is a LIAR and his Church MUST also a LIE!

I am with you always, to the very end of the age."

While I don't like to find my self defending theology of any sort, it is clear you have a distorted view of Mormonism.
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7/17/2015 8:26:08 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 7/17/2015 7:01:08 PM, kasmic wrote:
At 7/17/2015 6:48:05 PM, Dogknox wrote:
At 7/17/2015 6:28:37 PM, kasmic wrote:
At 7/17/2015 3:35:36 PM, Dogknox wrote:
At 7/17/2015 10:54:13 AM, graceofgod wrote:
do you find them to be strange Christians...??

1) They Believe "Jesus' Brother is Satan!"
2) They Believe "God had physical Intercourse with Mary"!
3) They Believed "J Smith can run with very, very heavy Gold plates!"
4) They Believe "There is NO Christian left in the world except them LDS"!
5) They Believe "Satan had somehow overpowered God and Satan TOOK Jesus' bride from Jesus"!
6) They Believe "The Holy Spirit Lead Jesus' established Church into error"!

The only one here that is truly doctrine is number 1, number 2 is believed by some, but not doctrine. 4 is untrue, 5 I have never heard of before.... 6. untrue

Joseph Smith.. Paraphrase... His words.. "There is NO church left on earth!!!!"

"No Church left" means.... Just that!!!!

He started one.....HIS OWN!!! Thus 4, 5 & 6 are indeed true!!!!

LOOK...John 14:16 And I will ask the Father, and he will give you another advocate to help you and be with you forever"

kasmic Do you understand the meaning of the word "FOREVER"!? Joseph Smith rejected John 14:16 to say what he did!!!

FOREVER means the LDS Church and Joseph Smith is a LIE!

It means J. Smith did not need to start his Church.. It means J. Smith lied and the Holy Spirit is with the One Church Jesus established and Satan did not take it from Jesus!

20 and teaching them to obey everything I have commanded you. And surely I am with you always, to the very end of the age."

This means (above) "Jesus was NOT overpowered By Satan".. That there is a CHURCH Jesus is always with his BODY to the end of time!!! This means Joseph Smith is a LIAR and his Church MUST also a LIE!

I am with you always, to the very end of the age."

While I don't like to find my self defending theology of any sort, it is clear you have a distorted view of Mormonism.

kasmic Thank you for your post...
I must ask.. "What is distorted"?
Did Joseph Smith not say: "There is NO churches left on earth"!!

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The driving force behind and founder of the Latter Day Saint movement was Joseph Smith, and to a lesser extent, during the movement's first two years, Oliver Cowdery. Throughout his life, Smith told of an experience he had as a boy having seen God the Father and Jesus Christ as two separate beings, who told him that the true church had been lost and would be restored through him, and that he would be given the authority to organize and lead the true Church of Christ. Smith and Cowdery also explained that the angels John the Baptist, Peter, James, and John visited them in 1829 and gave them priesthood authority to reestablish the Church of Christ.

kasmic DID YOU SEE IT??? ...told him that the true church had been lost and would be restored through him,....
&
.... reestablish the Church of Christ

kasmic Clearly Smith rejected the words of Jesus, he had to reject the bible to say what he said!!!

I understand the word reestablish to mean just that... It was and then it is to be again!!!

kasmic If it needs to be "reestablish" then Jesus LIED!!!!!
IF the church had been lost?!

LOGIC would tell you: Jesus is NOT always with his church to the end of time/World!! Jesus lied!!

Matthew 28:20 teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I commanded you: and lo, I am with you always, even unto the end of the world.
.. END OF THE WORLD..
&
Matthew 28:20 Teach them to obey everything that I have told you to do. You can be sure that I will be with you always. I will continue with you until the end of time."
..END OF TIME...

kasmic OR...
Or is it that Joseph Smith LIED!! I for one do not think God can lie.... So Joseph Smith LIED!!!
His Church the LDS church is started and based on a LIE!!!! It is just this simple!!

kasmic LOGIC and the scriptures tell you: "You are WRONG and deceived to be a member of the L.D.S. church!"

kasmic Do you believe the words of Jesus Matthew 28:20??!! If yes, then Joseph Smith LIED to you!!!! You have placed the salvation of your soul in a LIE!!!!
Word for word from the mouth of God... Jesus is ALWAYS with his Church to the end of time! PROVES the LIE of the L.D.S. church!

10) The bible of Joseph Smith is PLAGIARISM from the King James ... As if.....
As if the Angel dictated to Joseph Smith (an American) "Old English" as in the "King James Bible"! LOL
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7/17/2015 9:00:54 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 7/17/2015 10:54:13 AM, graceofgod wrote:
do you find them to be strange Christians...??

A Christian--especially a biblical literalist--who thought that the LDS had "strange ideas" would be the quintessential case of the post calling the kettle black.

No way the Mormons could believe anything more absurd than some of this stuff.......

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7/18/2015 3:24:21 AM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 7/17/2015 4:18:22 PM, Nicoszon_the_Great wrote:
At 7/17/2015 10:54:13 AM, graceofgod wrote:
do you find them to be strange Christians...??

Anyone who brings their faith to my doorstep irritates me, but as far as their beliefs go I think the reason they seem more 'different' than other christian denominations is the inherent isolationism that their faith was founded in. Their number are usually concentrated in specific areas, promoting (at least subconsciously) the ostracism of other denominations and faiths within their communities.

they have very distinct and weird ideas of doctrine, that is what separates them..
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7/18/2015 3:29:17 AM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 7/17/2015 6:47:52 PM, Bennett91 wrote:
At 7/17/2015 4:29:12 PM, graceofgod wrote:
At 7/17/2015 4:17:54 PM, Bennett91 wrote:
At 7/17/2015 4:12:14 PM, graceofgod wrote:
At 7/17/2015 3:51:46 PM, Bennett91 wrote:
At 7/17/2015 10:54:13 AM, graceofgod wrote:
do you find them to be strange Christians...??

You're just jealous they've received the final revelation from the Joesph Smith.

yeah that must be it..lol

if he had as many final revelations as he did versions of his first vision it should prove fun...

I'm sure the Jews have a similar saying about Christians.

I some how doubt it...

let's face it jo smith was never a pophet and he did not die a martyr...

Lol "lets face it, Jesus was never a prophet and he did not die a martyr" - The Jews

Jesus is and was the son of God part of the trinity, actually even jo smith believed in the trinity at first then went off at a tangent..

Jesus died surrendering himself to his fate on behalf of others..

Jo smith died in a gun fight where he shot three people one of whom died.. he went down all guns blazing and taking life not quite what I see as how Jesus went..

remember smith was only in jail for the attack he organised on a printing press that was printing the truth about mormonism...