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7/17/2015 11:06:22 AM
Posted: 1 year ago
do Catholics really believe that? if so everything he says is right... well thats too stupid to continue... maybe he is a Mossad agent Fbi or some guy working with the gov.. lol
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7/17/2015 11:21:06 AM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 7/17/2015 11:06:22 AM, POPOO5560 wrote:
do Catholics really believe that? if so everything he says is right... well thats too stupid to continue... maybe he is a Mossad agent Fbi or some guy working with the gov.. lol

he is a man and therefore fallible...
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7/17/2015 11:28:15 AM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 7/17/2015 11:06:22 AM, POPOO5560 wrote:
do Catholics really believe that? if so everything he says is right... well thats too stupid to continue... maybe he is a Mossad agent Fbi or some guy working with the gov.. lol

No human being could ever be infallible.
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7/17/2015 12:53:10 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
If you understand the scriptures, you won't make the mistake of putting your faith in man or man made institution.

That said, I really like the current pope, and he seems to be a good Christian.
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7/17/2015 2:08:16 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 7/17/2015 11:06:22 AM, POPOO5560 wrote:
do Catholics really believe that? if so everything he says is right... well thats too stupid to continue... maybe he is a Mossad agent Fbi or some guy working with the gov.. lol

The Pope is only infallible in specific circumstances:

When the Pope (1) intends to teach (2) by virtue of his supreme authority (3) on a matter of faith and morals (4) to the whole Church, he is preserved by the Holy Spirit from error. His teaching act is therefore called "infallible" and the teaching which he articulates is termed "irreformable".

https://www.ewtn.com...

Everything else, while it should be given consideration, but is not infallible.
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7/17/2015 5:56:27 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 7/17/2015 2:08:16 PM, Geogeer wrote:
At 7/17/2015 11:06:22 AM, POPOO5560 wrote:
do Catholics really believe that? if so everything he says is right... well thats too stupid to continue... maybe he is a Mossad agent Fbi or some guy working with the gov.. lol

The Pope is only infallible in specific circumstances:

When the Pope (1) intends to teach (2) by virtue of his supreme authority (3) on a matter of faith and morals (4) to the whole Church, he is preserved by the Holy Spirit from error. His teaching act is therefore called "infallible" and the teaching which he articulates is termed "irreformable".


that is ridiculous how the holy ghost is "guiding" the pope in issues of morality and faith when every pope in history had different opinions... the holy ghost changes his mind sometimes? beside that anyone can be a pope, how do you know what is in his head? maybe he exploiting people for his fame or money. he is just as human as you...

http://www.independent.co.uk...

he says human evulotion is true... do u believe that?

https://www.ewtn.com...

Everything else, while it should be given consideration, but is not infallible.
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7/17/2015 6:13:43 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 7/17/2015 5:56:27 PM, POPOO5560 wrote:
At 7/17/2015 2:08:16 PM, Geogeer wrote:
At 7/17/2015 11:06:22 AM, POPOO5560 wrote:
do Catholics really believe that? if so everything he says is right... well thats too stupid to continue... maybe he is a Mossad agent Fbi or some guy working with the gov.. lol

The Pope is only infallible in specific circumstances:

When the Pope (1) intends to teach (2) by virtue of his supreme authority (3) on a matter of faith and morals (4) to the whole Church, he is preserved by the Holy Spirit from error. His teaching act is therefore called "infallible" and the teaching which he articulates is termed "irreformable".


that is ridiculous how the holy ghost is "guiding" the pope in issues of morality and faith when every pope in history had different opinions...

They did not have different ideas when making an infallible declaration.

the holy ghost changes his mind sometimes?

You'd have to show how one infallible statement contradicts another one.

beside that anyone can be a pope,

Nope, you gotta be Catholic. Other than that yes.

how do you know what is in his head?

I don't. I do know that the Magisterium is protected from officially teaching error.

maybe he exploiting people for his fame or money. he is just as human as you...

We've had Pope who were that way. They never made an infallible statement that was not in line with the faith or that contradicted another Pope.

http://www.independent.co.uk...

That is his opinion and not an official proclamation on his part. Additionally, as it touches on science he is not an infallible source.

Like a couple of days ago on economics he stated: "I don"t understand it very well." So when the Pope speaks on economics, the object is not to follow what he says, but rather to acknowledge the end goal being the sharing of the earths resources and taking care of those who are disadvantaged.

he says human evulotion is true... do u believe that?

I believe that evolution is the best explanation we have for the agency that God employed to spread live across the planet. If it turns out He did it some other way so be it.
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7/17/2015 7:36:24 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 7/17/2015 11:06:22 AM, POPOO5560 wrote:
do Catholics really believe that? if so everything he says is right... well thats too stupid to continue... maybe he is a Mossad agent Fbi or some guy working with the gov.. lol

You have misunderstood the doctrine of infallibility. Here's a decent explanation from Catholic.com:

misunderstood by those outside the Church. In particular, Fundamentalists and other "Bible Christians" often confuse the charism of papal "infallibility" with "impeccability." They imagine Catholics believe the pope cannot sin. Others, who avoid this elementary blunder, think the pope relies on some sort of amulet or magical incantation when an infallible definition is due.

Given these common misapprehensions regarding the basic tenets of papal infallibility, it is necessary to explain exactly what infallibility is not. Infallibility is not the absence of sin. Nor is it a charism that belongs only to the pope. Indeed, infallibility also belongs to the body of bishops as a whole, when, in doctrinal unity with the pope, they solemnly teach a doctrine as true. We have this from Jesus himself, who promised the apostles and their successors the bishops, the magisterium of the Church: "He who hears you hears me" (Luke 10:16), and "Whatever you bind on earth shall be bound in heaven" (Matt. 18:18).
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7/17/2015 7:43:31 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 7/17/2015 5:56:27 PM, POPOO5560 wrote:
At 7/17/2015 2:08:16 PM, Geogeer wrote:
At 7/17/2015 11:06:22 AM, POPOO5560 wrote:
do Catholics really believe that? if so everything he says is right... well thats too stupid to continue... maybe he is a Mossad agent Fbi or some guy working with the gov.. lol

The Pope is only infallible in specific circumstances:

When the Pope (1) intends to teach (2) by virtue of his supreme authority (3) on a matter of faith and morals (4) to the whole Church, he is preserved by the Holy Spirit from error. His teaching act is therefore called "infallible" and the teaching which he articulates is termed "irreformable".


that is ridiculous how the holy ghost is "guiding" the pope in issues of morality and faith when every pope in history had different opinions...

Remember the qualifications above. With that in mind, you cannot give me one example of disagreement.

the holy ghost changes his mind sometimes? beside that anyone can be a pope, how do you know what is in his head? maybe he exploiting people for his fame or money. he is just as human as you...

http://www.independent.co.uk...

he says human evulotion is true... do u believe that?

Two things. First, there is no Catholic doctrine on evolution. Having said that, I personally do believe in evolution.

Sorry. Geogeer for hijacking your post.


https://www.ewtn.com...

Everything else, while it should be given consideration, but is not infallible.
If that was the only issue, then vote moderation could be avoided more often, since a vote in which the voter does explain sufficiently how at least one point a debater made swung their vote, would be considered sufficient. -Airmax
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7/17/2015 7:50:07 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 7/17/2015 2:08:16 PM, Geogeer wrote:
At 7/17/2015 11:06:22 AM, POPOO5560 wrote:
do Catholics really believe that? if so everything he says is right... well thats too stupid to continue... maybe he is a Mossad agent Fbi or some guy working with the gov.. lol

The Pope is only infallible in specific circumstances:

When the Pope (1) intends to teach (2) by virtue of his supreme authority (3) on a matter of faith and morals (4) to the whole Church, he is preserved by the Holy Spirit from error. His teaching act is therefore called "infallible" and the teaching which he articulates is termed "irreformable".

https://www.ewtn.com...

Everything else, while it should be given consideration, but is not infallible.

Does this mean that the Pope is physically incapable of making a heretical or doctrinally inaccurate statement for the purposes of propagating that idea?
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7/17/2015 10:40:31 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
The Catholic religion tried to become a permanent totalitarian society dedicated to worship of Jesus Christ via instruction by a self-selected group of men educated in religious texts of Pauline Christianity and the Old Testament. It worked for over a thousand years to rule European societies from the time of Constantin to the Protestant Reformation. But after that, Christians couldn't accept totalitarian rulership, Greek democracy ideas were coming back in fashion. Greek democracy trumped religious totalitarianism in the West. The Middle East didn't go through any Greek democracy revival period and thus is still stuck in ancient oriental despotism that the Pope used to represent. Now he's been tamed, his wings and claws clipped, so the Pope can't harm anyone anymore. This Pope is the first Pope in the history to actually toe the Christian line and follow the teachings of Jesus.
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7/17/2015 10:46:52 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 7/17/2015 2:08:16 PM, Geogeer wrote:
At 7/17/2015 11:06:22 AM, POPOO5560 wrote:
do Catholics really believe that? if so everything he says is right... well thats too stupid to continue... maybe he is a Mossad agent Fbi or some guy working with the gov.. lol

The Pope is only infallible in specific circumstances:

When the Pope (1) intends to teach (2) by virtue of his supreme authority (3) on a matter of faith and morals (4) to the whole Church, he is preserved by the Holy Spirit from error. His teaching act is therefore called "infallible" and the teaching which he articulates is termed "irreformable".

https://www.ewtn.com...

Everything else, while it should be given consideration, but is not infallible.

What a load of self servining horsh*t.

I have to admit, you have be be without shame to even try something of the following line.........in such and such a case I can't be wrong.

Also notice that they don't put them self in a position where there is a danger you could be proven wrong in their so called infallible area.

It has scam written all over this, and why the hell are you not fighting such mental tyranny by religious men who bamboozle their flocks.
"Seems like another attempt to insert God into areas our knowledge has yet to penetrate. You figure God would be bigger than the gaps of our ignorance." Drafterman 19/5/12
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7/17/2015 11:02:28 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 7/17/2015 7:50:07 PM, Vox_Veritas wrote:
At 7/17/2015 2:08:16 PM, Geogeer wrote:
At 7/17/2015 11:06:22 AM, POPOO5560 wrote:
do Catholics really believe that? if so everything he says is right... well thats too stupid to continue... maybe he is a Mossad agent Fbi or some guy working with the gov.. lol

The Pope is only infallible in specific circumstances:

When the Pope (1) intends to teach (2) by virtue of his supreme authority (3) on a matter of faith and morals (4) to the whole Church, he is preserved by the Holy Spirit from error. His teaching act is therefore called "infallible" and the teaching which he articulates is termed "irreformable".

https://www.ewtn.com...

Everything else, while it should be given consideration, but is not infallible.

Does this mean that the Pope is physically incapable of making a heretical or doctrinally inaccurate statement for the purposes of propagating that idea?

No. He has to intentionally meet the 4 criteria above. This particular Pope gives very informal talks and homilies. While he does intend to teach with them, they are not infallible, but rather an attempt to talk to people and make a particular point.

We only have to look at St. Peter when St. Paul called him out.
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7/17/2015 11:05:56 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 7/17/2015 10:46:52 PM, Illegalcombatant wrote:
At 7/17/2015 2:08:16 PM, Geogeer wrote:
At 7/17/2015 11:06:22 AM, POPOO5560 wrote:
do Catholics really believe that? if so everything he says is right... well thats too stupid to continue... maybe he is a Mossad agent Fbi or some guy working with the gov.. lol

The Pope is only infallible in specific circumstances:

When the Pope (1) intends to teach (2) by virtue of his supreme authority (3) on a matter of faith and morals (4) to the whole Church, he is preserved by the Holy Spirit from error. His teaching act is therefore called "infallible" and the teaching which he articulates is termed "irreformable".

https://www.ewtn.com...

Everything else, while it should be given consideration, but is not infallible.

What a load of self servining horsh*t.

I have to admit, you have be be without shame to even try something of the following line.........in such and such a case I can't be wrong.

Also notice that they don't put them self in a position where there is a danger you could be proven wrong in their so called infallible area.

It has scam written all over this, and why the hell are you not fighting such mental tyranny by religious men who bamboozle their flocks.

Well since you don't believe in salvation through Christ, I wouldn't expect you to be able to accept it. For those who do, it basically becomes a necessity and fully rational.
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7/17/2015 11:08:31 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 7/17/2015 7:43:31 PM, dsjpk5 wrote:
At 7/17/2015 5:56:27 PM, POPOO5560 wrote:
At 7/17/2015 2:08:16 PM, Geogeer wrote:
At 7/17/2015 11:06:22 AM, POPOO5560 wrote:
do Catholics really believe that? if so everything he says is right... well thats too stupid to continue... maybe he is a Mossad agent Fbi or some guy working with the gov.. lol

The Pope is only infallible in specific circumstances:

When the Pope (1) intends to teach (2) by virtue of his supreme authority (3) on a matter of faith and morals (4) to the whole Church, he is preserved by the Holy Spirit from error. His teaching act is therefore called "infallible" and the teaching which he articulates is termed "irreformable".


that is ridiculous how the holy ghost is "guiding" the pope in issues of morality and faith when every pope in history had different opinions...

Remember the qualifications above. With that in mind, you cannot give me one example of disagreement.

the holy ghost changes his mind sometimes? beside that anyone can be a pope, how do you know what is in his head? maybe he exploiting people for his fame or money. he is just as human as you...

http://www.independent.co.uk...

he says human evulotion is true... do u believe that?

Two things. First, there is no Catholic doctrine on evolution. Having said that, I personally do believe in evolution.

Sorry. Geogeer for hijacking your post.

You are always welcome to do so, my friend!
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7/17/2015 11:35:27 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 7/17/2015 11:05:56 PM, Geogeer wrote:
At 7/17/2015 10:46:52 PM, Illegalcombatant wrote:
At 7/17/2015 2:08:16 PM, Geogeer wrote:
At 7/17/2015 11:06:22 AM, POPOO5560 wrote:
do Catholics really believe that? if so everything he says is right... well thats too stupid to continue... maybe he is a Mossad agent Fbi or some guy working with the gov.. lol

The Pope is only infallible in specific circumstances:

When the Pope (1) intends to teach (2) by virtue of his supreme authority (3) on a matter of faith and morals (4) to the whole Church, he is preserved by the Holy Spirit from error. His teaching act is therefore called "infallible" and the teaching which he articulates is termed "irreformable".

https://www.ewtn.com...

Everything else, while it should be given consideration, but is not infallible.

What a load of self servining horsh*t.

I have to admit, you have be be without shame to even try something of the following line.........in such and such a case I can't be wrong.

Also notice that they don't put them self in a position where there is a danger you could be proven wrong in their so called infallible area.

It has scam written all over this, and why the hell are you not fighting such mental tyranny by religious men who bamboozle their flocks.

Well since you don't believe in salvation through Christ, I wouldn't expect you to be able to accept it. For those who do, it basically becomes a necessity and fully rational.

Let the pope or any man who dares wants to claim some sort of infallibility based on divine influence put their a$$ on the line and make TESTABLE claims.

How about you demand a higher standard from such a person before you sign on the bottom line of oh I am going to be a tool for such a church and such a man.

What say you ?
"Seems like another attempt to insert God into areas our knowledge has yet to penetrate. You figure God would be bigger than the gaps of our ignorance." Drafterman 19/5/12
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7/18/2015 12:19:59 AM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 7/17/2015 11:35:27 PM, Illegalcombatant wrote:
At 7/17/2015 11:05:56 PM, Geogeer wrote:
At 7/17/2015 10:46:52 PM, Illegalcombatant wrote:
At 7/17/2015 2:08:16 PM, Geogeer wrote:
At 7/17/2015 11:06:22 AM, POPOO5560 wrote:
do Catholics really believe that? if so everything he says is right... well thats too stupid to continue... maybe he is a Mossad agent Fbi or some guy working with the gov.. lol

The Pope is only infallible in specific circumstances:

When the Pope (1) intends to teach (2) by virtue of his supreme authority (3) on a matter of faith and morals (4) to the whole Church, he is preserved by the Holy Spirit from error. His teaching act is therefore called "infallible" and the teaching which he articulates is termed "irreformable".

https://www.ewtn.com...

Everything else, while it should be given consideration, but is not infallible.

What a load of self servining horsh*t.

I have to admit, you have be be without shame to even try something of the following line.........in such and such a case I can't be wrong.

Also notice that they don't put them self in a position where there is a danger you could be proven wrong in their so called infallible area.

It has scam written all over this, and why the hell are you not fighting such mental tyranny by religious men who bamboozle their flocks.

Well since you don't believe in salvation through Christ, I wouldn't expect you to be able to accept it. For those who do, it basically becomes a necessity and fully rational.

Let the pope or any man who dares wants to claim some sort of infallibility based on divine influence put their a$$ on the line and make TESTABLE claims.

Sorry that isn't the authority he has been entrusted with. The Church's role is to provide the sacraments, lead us to Jesus and protect the deposit of faith she has been entrusted with.

How about you demand a higher standard from such a person before you sign on the bottom line of oh I am going to be a tool for such a church and such a man.

I do. He died in a cross for my sins and He has left men with His authority. Since He left this Church, I adhere to it.

What say you ?

I say that we look forward to you joining us.
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7/18/2015 1:02:57 AM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 7/18/2015 12:19:59 AM, Geogeer wrote:
At 7/17/2015 11:35:27 PM, Illegalcombatant wrote:
At 7/17/2015 11:05:56 PM, Geogeer wrote:
At 7/17/2015 10:46:52 PM, Illegalcombatant wrote:
At 7/17/2015 2:08:16 PM, Geogeer wrote:
At 7/17/2015 11:06:22 AM, POPOO5560 wrote:
do Catholics really believe that? if so everything he says is right... well thats too stupid to continue... maybe he is a Mossad agent Fbi or some guy working with the gov.. lol

The Pope is only infallible in specific circumstances:

When the Pope (1) intends to teach (2) by virtue of his supreme authority (3) on a matter of faith and morals (4) to the whole Church, he is preserved by the Holy Spirit from error. His teaching act is therefore called "infallible" and the teaching which he articulates is termed "irreformable".

https://www.ewtn.com...

Everything else, while it should be given consideration, but is not infallible.

What a load of self servining horsh*t.

I have to admit, you have be be without shame to even try something of the following line.........in such and such a case I can't be wrong.

Also notice that they don't put them self in a position where there is a danger you could be proven wrong in their so called infallible area.

It has scam written all over this, and why the hell are you not fighting such mental tyranny by religious men who bamboozle their flocks.

Well since you don't believe in salvation through Christ, I wouldn't expect you to be able to accept it. For those who do, it basically becomes a necessity and fully rational.

Let the pope or any man who dares wants to claim some sort of infallibility based on divine influence put their a$$ on the line and make TESTABLE claims.

Sorry that isn't the authority he has been entrusted with. The Church's role is to provide the sacraments, lead us to Jesus and protect the deposit of faith she has been entrusted with.

How about you demand a higher standard from such a person before you sign on the bottom line of oh I am going to be a tool for such a church and such a man.

I do. He died in a cross for my sins and He has left men with His authority. Since He left this Church, I adhere to it.

What say you ?

I say that we look forward to you joining us.

Excuse making, smokes and mirrors, deception. That is what your justify here.

Are you really trying to sell such a selective divinely infalliablity ? oh well God just so happens to only protect our untestable claims.

Two options here either........

1) You have bought into the lie

2) You know it's probably bullsh*t, BUT still advocate for it anyway.

At least 1) gets you off in ignorace.

Trouble is you can't be ignorant much longer, how does this work for you in your own mind on that whole God judgement thing

Think about it, some guy is making such bold claims yet hides behind untestable claims so he can't be proven wrong.

Did it occur too you, SERIOUSLY, every f&cking occur to you this is a scam ? a lie ? a cheat ? a load of horse sh*t ?

Did it ever occur to you that if some guy was going to set up such a scam the way you would operate it is to never make claims that are testable and thus are in no danger of being proven wrong ? lest our infallibility claim comes crashing down.

So no, no man gets to claim for himself such infallibly while hiding behind non testable claims, and no we are not going to by into the excuses needed to make this work.

He can't put up, thus he should shut up.

Yet your still try to justify all of this...........
"Seems like another attempt to insert God into areas our knowledge has yet to penetrate. You figure God would be bigger than the gaps of our ignorance." Drafterman 19/5/12
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7/18/2015 1:20:49 AM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 7/18/2015 1:02:57 AM, Illegalcombatant wrote:
At 7/18/2015 12:19:59 AM, Geogeer wrote:
At 7/17/2015 11:35:27 PM, Illegalcombatant wrote:
At 7/17/2015 11:05:56 PM, Geogeer wrote:
At 7/17/2015 10:46:52 PM, Illegalcombatant wrote:
At 7/17/2015 2:08:16 PM, Geogeer wrote:
At 7/17/2015 11:06:22 AM, POPOO5560 wrote:
do Catholics really believe that? if so everything he says is right... well thats too stupid to continue... maybe he is a Mossad agent Fbi or some guy working with the gov.. lol

The Pope is only infallible in specific circumstances:

When the Pope (1) intends to teach (2) by virtue of his supreme authority (3) on a matter of faith and morals (4) to the whole Church, he is preserved by the Holy Spirit from error. His teaching act is therefore called "infallible" and the teaching which he articulates is termed "irreformable".

https://www.ewtn.com...

Everything else, while it should be given consideration, but is not infallible.

What a load of self servining horsh*t.

I have to admit, you have be be without shame to even try something of the following line.........in such and such a case I can't be wrong.

Also notice that they don't put them self in a position where there is a danger you could be proven wrong in their so called infallible area.

It has scam written all over this, and why the hell are you not fighting such mental tyranny by religious men who bamboozle their flocks.

Well since you don't believe in salvation through Christ, I wouldn't expect you to be able to accept it. For those who do, it basically becomes a necessity and fully rational.

Let the pope or any man who dares wants to claim some sort of infallibility based on divine influence put their a$$ on the line and make TESTABLE claims.

Sorry that isn't the authority he has been entrusted with. The Church's role is to provide the sacraments, lead us to Jesus and protect the deposit of faith she has been entrusted with.

How about you demand a higher standard from such a person before you sign on the bottom line of oh I am going to be a tool for such a church and such a man.

I do. He died in a cross for my sins and He has left men with His authority. Since He left this Church, I adhere to it.

What say you ?

I say that we look forward to you joining us.

Excuse making, smokes and mirrors, deception. That is what your justify here.

Are you really trying to sell such a selective divinely infalliablity ? oh well God just so happens to only protect our untestable claims.

Two options here either........

1) You have bought into the lie

2) You know it's probably bullsh*t, BUT still advocate for it anyway.

At least 1) gets you off in ignorace.

Trouble is you can't be ignorant much longer, how does this work for you in your own mind on that whole God judgement thing

Think about it, some guy is making such bold claims yet hides behind untestable claims so he can't be proven wrong.

Did it occur too you, SERIOUSLY, every f&cking occur to you this is a scam ? a lie ? a cheat ? a load of horse sh*t ?

Did it ever occur to you that if some guy was going to set up such a scam the way you would operate it is to never make claims that are testable and thus are in no danger of being proven wrong ? lest our infallibility claim comes crashing down.

So no, no man gets to claim for himself such infallibly while hiding behind non testable claims, and no we are not going to by into the excuses needed to make this work.

He can't put up, thus he should shut up.

Yet your still try to justify all of this...........

he says every "pope" is guided by the holy ghost but in the bible you read that even Paul disagrees with the disciples & Jesus himself the most prominent figures dont consent on things and all have the holy ghost! overwhelmingly impressive :D
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7/18/2015 4:21:25 AM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 7/17/2015 11:06:22 AM, POPOO5560 wrote:
do Catholics really believe that? if so everything he says is right... well thats too stupid to continue... maybe he is a Mossad agent Fbi or some guy working with the gov.. lol

Rather sounds like the pedophile Muhammad, doesn't it?
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7/18/2015 6:17:24 AM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 7/18/2015 4:21:25 AM, Draconius wrote:
At 7/17/2015 11:06:22 AM, POPOO5560 wrote:
do Catholics really believe that? if so everything he says is right... well thats too stupid to continue... maybe he is a Mossad agent Fbi or some guy working with the gov.. lol

Rather sounds like the pedophile Muhammad, doesn't it?

ooohhh... who is Muhammad and as a pedophile too? im not familiar with these poeple...
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7/18/2015 5:50:41 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 7/18/2015 6:17:24 AM, POPOO5560 wrote:
At 7/18/2015 4:21:25 AM, Draconius wrote:
At 7/17/2015 11:06:22 AM, POPOO5560 wrote:
do Catholics really believe that? if so everything he says is right... well thats too stupid to continue... maybe he is a Mossad agent Fbi or some guy working with the gov.. lol

Rather sounds like the pedophile Muhammad, doesn't it?

ooohhh... who is Muhammad and as a pedophile too? im not familiar with these poeple...

I may have spelled the name wrong, but you know very well I'm speaking of the founder of islam. Belief in the pope for catholics is no different from belief in the "prophet" Muhammad.
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7/18/2015 7:38:14 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 7/17/2015 6:13:43 PM, Geogeer wrote:
At 7/17/2015 5:56:27 PM, POPOO5560 wrote:
At 7/17/2015 2:08:16 PM, Geogeer wrote:
At 7/17/2015 11:06:22 AM, POPOO5560 wrote:
do Catholics really believe that? if so everything he says is right... well thats too stupid to continue... maybe he is a Mossad agent Fbi or some guy working with the gov.. lol

The Pope is only infallible in specific circumstances:

When the Pope (1) intends to teach (2) by virtue of his supreme authority (3) on a matter of faith and morals (4) to the whole Church, he is preserved by the Holy Spirit from error. His teaching act is therefore called "infallible" and the teaching which he articulates is termed "irreformable".


that is ridiculous how the holy ghost is "guiding" the pope in issues of morality and faith when every pope in history had different opinions...

They did not have different ideas when making an infallible declaration.

the holy ghost changes his mind sometimes?

You'd have to show how one infallible statement contradicts another one.

beside that anyone can be a pope,

Nope, you gotta be Catholic. Other than that yes.

how do you know what is in his head?

I don't. I do know that the Magisterium is protected from officially teaching error.

maybe he exploiting people for his fame or money. he is just as human as you...

We've had Pope who were that way. They never made an infallible statement that was not in line with the faith or that contradicted another Pope.

http://www.independent.co.uk...

That is his opinion and not an official proclamation on his part. Additionally, as it touches on science he is not an infallible source.

Like a couple of days ago on economics he stated: "I don"t understand it very well." So when the Pope speaks on economics, the object is not to follow what he says, but rather to acknowledge the end goal being the sharing of the earths resources and taking care of those who are disadvantaged.

he says human evulotion is true... do u believe that?

I believe that evolution is the best explanation we have for the agency that God employed to spread live across the planet. If it turns out He did it some other way so be it.

So you are a Theistic Evolutionist, Georgeer?

Well, even though I do not agree with the "Theistic" part (I believe if there was any "guiding" or teleological "hand" in the Evolutionary process it was a Deist one) I must say I am pleasantly surprised by you.

Maybe there IS hope! LOL
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7/19/2015 1:19:23 AM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 7/18/2015 7:38:14 PM, Saint_of_Me wrote:
At 7/17/2015 6:13:43 PM, Geogeer wrote:
At 7/17/2015 5:56:27 PM, POPOO5560 wrote:
At 7/17/2015 2:08:16 PM, Geogeer wrote:
At 7/17/2015 11:06:22 AM, POPOO5560 wrote:
do Catholics really believe that? if so everything he says is right... well thats too stupid to continue... maybe he is a Mossad agent Fbi or some guy working with the gov.. lol

The Pope is only infallible in specific circumstances:

When the Pope (1) intends to teach (2) by virtue of his supreme authority (3) on a matter of faith and morals (4) to the whole Church, he is preserved by the Holy Spirit from error. His teaching act is therefore called "infallible" and the teaching which he articulates is termed "irreformable".


that is ridiculous how the holy ghost is "guiding" the pope in issues of morality and faith when every pope in history had different opinions...

They did not have different ideas when making an infallible declaration.

the holy ghost changes his mind sometimes?

You'd have to show how one infallible statement contradicts another one.

beside that anyone can be a pope,

Nope, you gotta be Catholic. Other than that yes.

how do you know what is in his head?

I don't. I do know that the Magisterium is protected from officially teaching error.

maybe he exploiting people for his fame or money. he is just as human as you...

We've had Pope who were that way. They never made an infallible statement that was not in line with the faith or that contradicted another Pope.

http://www.independent.co.uk...

That is his opinion and not an official proclamation on his part. Additionally, as it touches on science he is not an infallible source.

Like a couple of days ago on economics he stated: "I don"t understand it very well." So when the Pope speaks on economics, the object is not to follow what he says, but rather to acknowledge the end goal being the sharing of the earths resources and taking care of those who are disadvantaged.

he says human evulotion is true... do u believe that?

I believe that evolution is the best explanation we have for the agency that God employed to spread live across the planet. If it turns out He did it some other way so be it.


So you are a Theistic Evolutionist, Georgeer?

Well, even though I do not agree with the "Theistic" part (I believe if there was any "guiding" or teleological "hand" in the Evolutionary process it was a Deist one) I must say I am pleasantly surprised by you.

Maybe there IS hope! LOL

What I am is much higher educated than you seem to assume, and constantly amused at how you put theists into a little box to convince yourself of your intellectual superiority.
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7/19/2015 5:24:09 AM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 7/18/2015 5:50:41 PM, Draconius wrote:
At 7/18/2015 6:17:24 AM, POPOO5560 wrote:
At 7/18/2015 4:21:25 AM, Draconius wrote:
At 7/17/2015 11:06:22 AM, POPOO5560 wrote:
do Catholics really believe that? if so everything he says is right... well thats too stupid to continue... maybe he is a Mossad agent Fbi or some guy working with the gov.. lol

Rather sounds like the pedophile Muhammad, doesn't it?

ooohhh... who is Muhammad and as a pedophile too? im not familiar with these poeple...

I may have spelled the name wrong, but you know very well I'm speaking of the founder of islam. Belief in the pope for catholics is no different from belief in the "prophet" Muhammad.

haa that Muhhamed... may peace be upon him... look there is a differences between prophets and other guys... prophets have objective answer and they are not to be changed no matter what, like the Quran (doesnt matter if its true or not), but what we have here people come forward like the popes claiming to have the holy ghost every signle one of them and everyone have different opinions... so the holy ghost teachs them different stuff... that make sense you u?
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7/19/2015 8:23:54 AM
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At 7/18/2015 1:02:57 AM, Illegalcombatant wrote:
At 7/18/2015 12:19:59 AM, Geogeer wrote:
At 7/17/2015 11:35:27 PM, Illegalcombatant wrote:
At 7/17/2015 11:05:56 PM, Geogeer wrote:
At 7/17/2015 10:46:52 PM, Illegalcombatant wrote:
At 7/17/2015 2:08:16 PM, Geogeer wrote:
At 7/17/2015 11:06:22 AM, POPOO5560 wrote:
do Catholics really believe that? if so everything he says is right... well thats too stupid to continue... maybe he is a Mossad agent Fbi or some guy working with the gov.. lol

The Pope is only infallible in specific circumstances:

When the Pope (1) intends to teach (2) by virtue of his supreme authority (3) on a matter of faith and morals (4) to the whole Church, he is preserved by the Holy Spirit from error. His teaching act is therefore called "infallible" and the teaching which he articulates is termed "irreformable".

https://www.ewtn.com...

Everything else, while it should be given consideration, but is not infallible.

What a load of self servining horsh*t.

I have to admit, you have be be without shame to even try something of the following line.........in such and such a case I can't be wrong.

Also notice that they don't put them self in a position where there is a danger you could be proven wrong in their so called infallible area.

It has scam written all over this, and why the hell are you not fighting such mental tyranny by religious men who bamboozle their flocks.

Well since you don't believe in salvation through Christ, I wouldn't expect you to be able to accept it. For those who do, it basically becomes a necessity and fully rational.

Let the pope or any man who dares wants to claim some sort of infallibility based on divine influence put their a$$ on the line and make TESTABLE claims.

Sorry that isn't the authority he has been entrusted with. The Church's role is to provide the sacraments, lead us to Jesus and protect the deposit of faith she has been entrusted with.

How about you demand a higher standard from such a person before you sign on the bottom line of oh I am going to be a tool for such a church and such a man.

I do. He died in a cross for my sins and He has left men with His authority. Since He left this Church, I adhere to it.

What say you ?

I say that we look forward to you joining us.

Excuse making, smokes and mirrors, deception. That is what your justify here.

Are you really trying to sell such a selective divinely infalliablity ? oh well God just so happens to only protect our untestable claims.

Two options here either........

1) You have bought into the lie

2) You know it's probably bullsh*t, BUT still advocate for it anyway.

At least 1) gets you off in ignorace.

Trouble is you can't be ignorant much longer, how does this work for you in your own mind on that whole God judgement thing

Think about it, some guy is making such bold claims yet hides behind untestable claims so he can't be proven wrong.

Did it occur too you, SERIOUSLY, every f&cking occur to you this is a scam ? a lie ? a cheat ? a load of horse sh*t ?

Did it ever occur to you that if some guy was going to set up such a scam the way you would operate it is to never make claims that are testable and thus are in no danger of being proven wrong ? lest our infallibility claim comes crashing down.

So no, no man gets to claim for himself such infallibly while hiding behind non testable claims, and no we are not going to by into the excuses needed to make this work.

He can't put up, thus he should shut up.

Yet your still try to justify all of this...........

You've made some wild accusations. Got any evidence?
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7/19/2015 8:33:21 AM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 7/19/2015 8:23:54 AM, dsjpk5 wrote:
At 7/18/2015 1:02:57 AM, Illegalcombatant wrote:
At 7/18/2015 12:19:59 AM, Geogeer wrote:
At 7/17/2015 11:35:27 PM, Illegalcombatant wrote:
At 7/17/2015 11:05:56 PM, Geogeer wrote:
At 7/17/2015 10:46:52 PM, Illegalcombatant wrote:
At 7/17/2015 2:08:16 PM, Geogeer wrote:
At 7/17/2015 11:06:22 AM, POPOO5560 wrote:
do Catholics really believe that? if so everything he says is right... well thats too stupid to continue... maybe he is a Mossad agent Fbi or some guy working with the gov.. lol

The Pope is only infallible in specific circumstances:

When the Pope (1) intends to teach (2) by virtue of his supreme authority (3) on a matter of faith and morals (4) to the whole Church, he is preserved by the Holy Spirit from error. His teaching act is therefore called "infallible" and the teaching which he articulates is termed "irreformable".

https://www.ewtn.com...

Everything else, while it should be given consideration, but is not infallible.

What a load of self servining horsh*t.

I have to admit, you have be be without shame to even try something of the following line.........in such and such a case I can't be wrong.

Also notice that they don't put them self in a position where there is a danger you could be proven wrong in their so called infallible area.

It has scam written all over this, and why the hell are you not fighting such mental tyranny by religious men who bamboozle their flocks.

Well since you don't believe in salvation through Christ, I wouldn't expect you to be able to accept it. For those who do, it basically becomes a necessity and fully rational.

Let the pope or any man who dares wants to claim some sort of infallibility based on divine influence put their a$$ on the line and make TESTABLE claims.

Sorry that isn't the authority he has been entrusted with. The Church's role is to provide the sacraments, lead us to Jesus and protect the deposit of faith she has been entrusted with.

How about you demand a higher standard from such a person before you sign on the bottom line of oh I am going to be a tool for such a church and such a man.

I do. He died in a cross for my sins and He has left men with His authority. Since He left this Church, I adhere to it.

What say you ?

I say that we look forward to you joining us.

Excuse making, smokes and mirrors, deception. That is what your justify here.

Are you really trying to sell such a selective divinely infalliablity ? oh well God just so happens to only protect our untestable claims.

Two options here either........

1) You have bought into the lie

2) You know it's probably bullsh*t, BUT still advocate for it anyway.

At least 1) gets you off in ignorace.

Trouble is you can't be ignorant much longer, how does this work for you in your own mind on that whole God judgement thing

Think about it, some guy is making such bold claims yet hides behind untestable claims so he can't be proven wrong.

Did it occur too you, SERIOUSLY, every f&cking occur to you this is a scam ? a lie ? a cheat ? a load of horse sh*t ?

Did it ever occur to you that if some guy was going to set up such a scam the way you would operate it is to never make claims that are testable and thus are in no danger of being proven wrong ? lest our infallibility claim comes crashing down.

So no, no man gets to claim for himself such infallibly while hiding behind non testable claims, and no we are not going to by into the excuses needed to make this work.

He can't put up, thus he should shut up.

Yet your still try to justify all of this...........

You've made some wild accusations. Got any evidence?

Wait a min, I am the one with wild accusations ?

Say as opposed to a person or group who wants to claim infallibility for it's self which just so happens to only happen in area's where they can ever be proven wrong ?
"Seems like another attempt to insert God into areas our knowledge has yet to penetrate. You figure God would be bigger than the gaps of our ignorance." Drafterman 19/5/12
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7/19/2015 8:37:25 AM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 7/19/2015 8:33:21 AM, Illegalcombatant wrote:
At 7/19/2015 8:23:54 AM, dsjpk5 wrote:
At 7/18/2015 1:02:57 AM, Illegalcombatant wrote:
At 7/18/2015 12:19:59 AM, Geogeer wrote:
At 7/17/2015 11:35:27 PM, Illegalcombatant wrote:
At 7/17/2015 11:05:56 PM, Geogeer wrote:
At 7/17/2015 10:46:52 PM, Illegalcombatant wrote:
At 7/17/2015 2:08:16 PM, Geogeer wrote:
At 7/17/2015 11:06:22 AM, POPOO5560 wrote:
do Catholics really believe that? if so everything he says is right... well thats too stupid to continue... maybe he is a Mossad agent Fbi or some guy working with the gov.. lol

The Pope is only infallible in specific circumstances:

When the Pope (1) intends to teach (2) by virtue of his supreme authority (3) on a matter of faith and morals (4) to the whole Church, he is preserved by the Holy Spirit from error. His teaching act is therefore called "infallible" and the teaching which he articulates is termed "irreformable".

https://www.ewtn.com...

Everything else, while it should be given consideration, but is not infallible.

What a load of self servining horsh*t.

I have to admit, you have be be without shame to even try something of the following line.........in such and such a case I can't be wrong.

Also notice that they don't put them self in a position where there is a danger you could be proven wrong in their so called infallible area.

It has scam written all over this, and why the hell are you not fighting such mental tyranny by religious men who bamboozle their flocks.

Well since you don't believe in salvation through Christ, I wouldn't expect you to be able to accept it. For those who do, it basically becomes a necessity and fully rational.

Let the pope or any man who dares wants to claim some sort of infallibility based on divine influence put their a$$ on the line and make TESTABLE claims.

Sorry that isn't the authority he has been entrusted with. The Church's role is to provide the sacraments, lead us to Jesus and protect the deposit of faith she has been entrusted with.

How about you demand a higher standard from such a person before you sign on the bottom line of oh I am going to be a tool for such a church and such a man.

I do. He died in a cross for my sins and He has left men with His authority. Since He left this Church, I adhere to it.

What say you ?

I say that we look forward to you joining us.

Excuse making, smokes and mirrors, deception. That is what your justify here.

Are you really trying to sell such a selective divinely infalliablity ? oh well God just so happens to only protect our untestable claims.

Two options here either........

1) You have bought into the lie

2) You know it's probably bullsh*t, BUT still advocate for it anyway.

At least 1) gets you off in ignorace.

Trouble is you can't be ignorant much longer, how does this work for you in your own mind on that whole God judgement thing

Think about it, some guy is making such bold claims yet hides behind untestable claims so he can't be proven wrong.

Did it occur too you, SERIOUSLY, every f&cking occur to you this is a scam ? a lie ? a cheat ? a load of horse sh*t ?

Did it ever occur to you that if some guy was going to set up such a scam the way you would operate it is to never make claims that are testable and thus are in no danger of being proven wrong ? lest our infallibility claim comes crashing down.

So no, no man gets to claim for himself such infallibly while hiding behind non testable claims, and no we are not going to by into the excuses needed to make this work.

He can't put up, thus he should shut up.

Yet your still try to justify all of this...........

You've made some wild accusations. Got any evidence?

Wait a min, I am the one with wild accusations ?

Say as opposed to a person or group who wants to claim infallibility for it's self which just so happens to only happen in area's where they can ever be proven wrong ?

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7/19/2015 9:22:21 AM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 7/19/2015 8:33:21 AM, Illegalcombatant wrote:
At 7/19/2015 8:23:54 AM, dsjpk5 wrote:
At 7/18/2015 1:02:57 AM, Illegalcombatant wrote:
At 7/18/2015 12:19:59 AM, Geogeer wrote:
At 7/17/2015 11:35:27 PM, Illegalcombatant wrote:
At 7/17/2015 11:05:56 PM, Geogeer wrote:
At 7/17/2015 10:46:52 PM, Illegalcombatant wrote:
At 7/17/2015 2:08:16 PM, Geogeer wrote:
At 7/17/2015 11:06:22 AM, POPOO5560 wrote:
do Catholics really believe that? if so everything he says is right... well thats too stupid to continue... maybe he is a Mossad agent Fbi or some guy working with the gov.. lol

The Pope is only infallible in specific circumstances:

When the Pope (1) intends to teach (2) by virtue of his supreme authority (3) on a matter of faith and morals (4) to the whole Church, he is preserved by the Holy Spirit from error. His teaching act is therefore called "infallible" and the teaching which he articulates is termed "irreformable".

https://www.ewtn.com...

Everything else, while it should be given consideration, but is not infallible.

What a load of self servining horsh*t.

I have to admit, you have be be without shame to even try something of the following line.........in such and such a case I can't be wrong.

Also notice that they don't put them self in a position where there is a danger you could be proven wrong in their so called infallible area.

It has scam written all over this, and why the hell are you not fighting such mental tyranny by religious men who bamboozle their flocks.

Well since you don't believe in salvation through Christ, I wouldn't expect you to be able to accept it. For those who do, it basically becomes a necessity and fully rational.

Let the pope or any man who dares wants to claim some sort of infallibility based on divine influence put their a$$ on the line and make TESTABLE claims.

Sorry that isn't the authority he has been entrusted with. The Church's role is to provide the sacraments, lead us to Jesus and protect the deposit of faith she has been entrusted with.

How about you demand a higher standard from such a person before you sign on the bottom line of oh I am going to be a tool for such a church and such a man.

I do. He died in a cross for my sins and He has left men with His authority. Since He left this Church, I adhere to it.

What say you ?

I say that we look forward to you joining us.

Excuse making, smokes and mirrors, deception. That is what your justify here.

Are you really trying to sell such a selective divinely infalliablity ? oh well God just so happens to only protect our untestable claims.

Two options here either........

1) You have bought into the lie

2) You know it's probably bullsh*t, BUT still advocate for it anyway.

At least 1) gets you off in ignorace.

Trouble is you can't be ignorant much longer, how does this work for you in your own mind on that whole God judgement thing

Think about it, some guy is making such bold claims yet hides behind untestable claims so he can't be proven wrong.

Did it occur too you, SERIOUSLY, every f&cking occur to you this is a scam ? a lie ? a cheat ? a load of horse sh*t ?

Did it ever occur to you that if some guy was going to set up such a scam the way you would operate it is to never make claims that are testable and thus are in no danger of being proven wrong ? lest our infallibility claim comes crashing down.

So no, no man gets to claim for himself such infallibly while hiding behind non testable claims, and no we are not going to by into the excuses needed to make this work.

He can't put up, thus he should shut up.

Yet your still try to justify all of this...........

You've made some wild accusations. Got any evidence?

Wait a min, I am the one with wild accusations ?


Yes. "A scam, a lie, a cheat..."

Say as opposed to a person or group who wants to claim infallibility for it's self which just so happens to only happen in area's where they can ever be proven wrong ?

It could be if you could find a doctrine that's been reversed.
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7/19/2015 9:47:53 AM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 7/19/2015 9:22:21 AM, dsjpk5 wrote:
At 7/19/2015 8:33:21 AM, Illegalcombatant wrote:
At 7/19/2015 8:23:54 AM, dsjpk5 wrote:
At 7/18/2015 1:02:57 AM, Illegalcombatant wrote:
At 7/18/2015 12:19:59 AM, Geogeer wrote:
At 7/17/2015 11:35:27 PM, Illegalcombatant wrote:
At 7/17/2015 11:05:56 PM, Geogeer wrote:
At 7/17/2015 10:46:52 PM, Illegalcombatant wrote:
At 7/17/2015 2:08:16 PM, Geogeer wrote:
At 7/17/2015 11:06:22 AM, POPOO5560 wrote:
do Catholics really believe that? if so everything he says is right... well thats too stupid to continue... maybe he is a Mossad agent Fbi or some guy working with the gov.. lol

The Pope is only infallible in specific circumstances:

When the Pope (1) intends to teach (2) by virtue of his supreme authority (3) on a matter of faith and morals (4) to the whole Church, he is preserved by the Holy Spirit from error. His teaching act is therefore called "infallible" and the teaching which he articulates is termed "irreformable".

https://www.ewtn.com...

Everything else, while it should be given consideration, but is not infallible.

What a load of self servining horsh*t.

I have to admit, you have be be without shame to even try something of the following line.........in such and such a case I can't be wrong.

Also notice that they don't put them self in a position where there is a danger you could be proven wrong in their so called infallible area.

It has scam written all over this, and why the hell are you not fighting such mental tyranny by religious men who bamboozle their flocks.

Well since you don't believe in salvation through Christ, I wouldn't expect you to be able to accept it. For those who do, it basically becomes a necessity and fully rational.

Let the pope or any man who dares wants to claim some sort of infallibility based on divine influence put their a$$ on the line and make TESTABLE claims.

Sorry that isn't the authority he has been entrusted with. The Church's role is to provide the sacraments, lead us to Jesus and protect the deposit of faith she has been entrusted with.

How about you demand a higher standard from such a person before you sign on the bottom line of oh I am going to be a tool for such a church and such a man.

I do. He died in a cross for my sins and He has left men with His authority. Since He left this Church, I adhere to it.

What say you ?

I say that we look forward to you joining us.

Excuse making, smokes and mirrors, deception. That is what your justify here.

Are you really trying to sell such a selective divinely infalliablity ? oh well God just so happens to only protect our untestable claims.

Two options here either........

1) You have bought into the lie

2) You know it's probably bullsh*t, BUT still advocate for it anyway.

At least 1) gets you off in ignorace.

Trouble is you can't be ignorant much longer, how does this work for you in your own mind on that whole God judgement thing

Think about it, some guy is making such bold claims yet hides behind untestable claims so he can't be proven wrong.

Did it occur too you, SERIOUSLY, every f&cking occur to you this is a scam ? a lie ? a cheat ? a load of horse sh*t ?

Did it ever occur to you that if some guy was going to set up such a scam the way you would operate it is to never make claims that are testable and thus are in no danger of being proven wrong ? lest our infallibility claim comes crashing down.

So no, no man gets to claim for himself such infallibly while hiding behind non testable claims, and no we are not going to by into the excuses needed to make this work.

He can't put up, thus he should shut up.

Yet your still try to justify all of this...........

You've made some wild accusations. Got any evidence?

Wait a min, I am the one with wild accusations ?


Yes. "A scam, a lie, a cheat..."

Say as opposed to a person or group who wants to claim infallibility for it's self which just so happens to only happen in area's where they can ever be proven wrong ?

It could be if you could find a doctrine that's been reversed.

Let's look at two options............

1) A God exists, this God has selectively chosen a person or group of fellow human beings and protects them from error........BUT this error protection is it's self selective and also just so happens to only operate in area's of claims which can't be tested and thus are in no danger of ever being proven wrong.

2) A person or group of people come up with some self servings lie that some of their claims are divinely protected from error, in order to cover their a$$ they only make said divinely protected claims where where they can not be tested and thus can't in principle ever be proven wrong, cause they know that if they were to make testable claims in the name of said divine protection from error it would only be a matter of time till they were proven wrong.

Let people ponder on that for a while.........
"Seems like another attempt to insert God into areas our knowledge has yet to penetrate. You figure God would be bigger than the gaps of our ignorance." Drafterman 19/5/12