Total Posts:26|Showing Posts:1-26
Jump to topic:

Does Mother Nature exist?

joetheripper117
Posts: 284
Add as Friend
Challenge to a Debate
Send a Message
7/19/2015 8:13:24 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 7/19/2015 7:47:34 PM, Skyangel wrote:
Well, does she?

What do you mean by mother nature? A literal mother who watches over nature, or just nature?
"By all means let's be open-minded, but not so open-minded that our brains drop out."
-Richard Dawkins
"The onus is on you to say why; the onus is not on the rest of us to say why not."
-Richard Dawkins
Skyangel
Posts: 8,234
Add as Friend
Challenge to a Debate
Send a Message
7/19/2015 8:17:19 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 7/19/2015 8:13:24 PM, joetheripper117 wrote:
At 7/19/2015 7:47:34 PM, Skyangel wrote:
Well, does she?

What do you mean by mother nature? A literal mother who watches over nature, or just nature?

Does your answer depend on how she is defined?
I will let you decide.
RuvDraba
Posts: 6,033
Add as Friend
Challenge to a Debate
Send a Message
7/19/2015 8:19:39 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 7/19/2015 7:47:34 PM, Skyangel wrote:
Well, does she?

Do you believe in a carnivorous mother, who devours 99% of her children, including 87% of her intelligent, tool-using children?

I'd prefer not to, Sky. I'd prefer not to think about such a bloodstained, file-toothed, leering, Kaliesque being at all, unless I were writing a horror novel. :)
Skyangel
Posts: 8,234
Add as Friend
Challenge to a Debate
Send a Message
7/19/2015 8:31:53 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 7/19/2015 8:19:39 PM, RuvDraba wrote:
At 7/19/2015 7:47:34 PM, Skyangel wrote:
Well, does she?

Do you believe in a carnivorous mother, who devours 99% of her children, including 87% of her intelligent, tool-using children?

You are being a bit generous with your estimates aren't you ?
She devours 100% of them. ALL die in the end.

I'd prefer not to, Sky. I'd prefer not to think about such a bloodstained, file-toothed, leering, Kaliesque being at all, unless I were writing a horror novel. :)

I prefer to see the good side of her and ignore her bad side.
After all she gives life to all, she regenerates life which has been destroyed in fires etc which often are started by careless humans.
She has no favorites. She treats all the same. She doesn't condemn or judge humans for anything at all.
Maybe we should start a religion in her honor and blame her bad side on her evil twin sister as we try to avoid that evil twin as much as possible by pleasing Mother Nature and bowing to her every whim and fancy? ;-)
DanneJeRusse
Posts: 12,622
Add as Friend
Challenge to a Debate
Send a Message
7/19/2015 8:57:07 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 7/19/2015 7:47:34 PM, Skyangel wrote:
Well, does she?

Yes, didn't you hear, Father Time is having his way with her up against a wall.
Marrying a 6 year old and waiting until she reaches puberty and maturity before having consensual sex is better than walking up to
a stranger in a bar and proceeding to have relations with no valid proof of the intent of the person. Muhammad wins. ~ Fatihah
If they don't want to be killed then they have to subdue to the Islamic laws. - Uncung
Without God, you are lower than sh!t. ~ SpiritandTruth
Skyangel
Posts: 8,234
Add as Friend
Challenge to a Debate
Send a Message
7/20/2015 3:05:09 AM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 7/19/2015 8:57:07 PM, DanneJeRusse wrote:
At 7/19/2015 7:47:34 PM, Skyangel wrote:
Well, does she?

Yes, didn't you hear, Father Time is having his way with her up against a wall.

God might get jealous. ;-)
Skyangel
Posts: 8,234
Add as Friend
Challenge to a Debate
Send a Message
7/20/2015 5:29:37 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
Does Mother Nature threaten everybody with floods, cyclones and other natural disasters?
Does she threaten to take away your life?

Isn't there a better supernatural entity than her to believe in?
Who has killed more humans? Mother Nature or Father Time or some other mythical god?
Mother Nature and Father Time have killed every person and animal who has ever lived. Not very nice entities, are they?

Humans ought to do something about the fact that Life ends in death and make up some stories about how no one ever really dies but all will live forever.
Then we can all die and live happily ever after knowing the dead are not really dead.
It is a comforting thought to think you will see your loved ones again one day after you die.

***Enlightenment !!!! ***
We do have such stories floating about on the planet and obviously many gullible people believe them.
Skepticalone
Posts: 6,110
Add as Friend
Challenge to a Debate
Send a Message
7/20/2015 6:02:55 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 7/20/2015 5:38:32 PM, Fatihah wrote:
At 7/19/2015 7:47:34 PM, Skyangel wrote:
Well, does she?

Response: No. Nature was created by God.

Lies...
This thread is like eavesdropping on a conversation in a mental asylum. - Bulproof

You can call your invisible friends whatever you like. - Desmac

What the hell kind of coked up sideshow has this thread turned into. - Casten
Skyangel
Posts: 8,234
Add as Friend
Challenge to a Debate
Send a Message
7/20/2015 6:26:31 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 7/20/2015 5:38:32 PM, Fatihah wrote:
At 7/19/2015 7:47:34 PM, Skyangel wrote:
Well, does she?

Response: No. Nature was created by God.

Nature was created by Mother Nature and Father Time. They do a good job of recycling it too.
You could learn a lot from them if you paid attention.
Skyangel
Posts: 8,234
Add as Friend
Challenge to a Debate
Send a Message
7/20/2015 6:29:39 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 7/20/2015 6:02:55 PM, Skepticalone wrote:
At 7/20/2015 5:38:32 PM, Fatihah wrote:
At 7/19/2015 7:47:34 PM, Skyangel wrote:
Well, does she?

Response: No. Nature was created by God.

Lies...

Whether a statement is true or a lie depends on your definition, perception and interpretation of the words you read and how you judge those words.
Fatihah
Posts: 7,740
Add as Friend
Challenge to a Debate
Send a Message
7/20/2015 6:44:36 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 7/20/2015 6:26:31 PM, Skyangel wrote:

Nature was created by Mother Nature and Father Time. They do a good job of recycling it too.
You could learn a lot from them if you paid attention.

Response: Then that makes Mother Nature and Father Time Gods, since they originated creation. So who decides what between them and how do you know?
Skepticalone
Posts: 6,110
Add as Friend
Challenge to a Debate
Send a Message
7/20/2015 8:14:23 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 7/20/2015 6:29:39 PM, Skyangel wrote:
At 7/20/2015 6:02:55 PM, Skepticalone wrote:
At 7/20/2015 5:38:32 PM, Fatihah wrote:
At 7/19/2015 7:47:34 PM, Skyangel wrote:
Well, does she?

Response: No. Nature was created by God.

Lies...

Whether a statement is true or a lie depends on your definition, perception and interpretation of the words you read and how you judge those words.

Whether something is true is not dependent on subjective interpretations. After all, I can think my wife loves me because I percieve love to mean marriage. Obviously, love does not mean marriage and I can be married without being loved.

Also, it should be noted I was yanking Fatihah's chain.
This thread is like eavesdropping on a conversation in a mental asylum. - Bulproof

You can call your invisible friends whatever you like. - Desmac

What the hell kind of coked up sideshow has this thread turned into. - Casten
Skyangel
Posts: 8,234
Add as Friend
Challenge to a Debate
Send a Message
7/20/2015 8:44:03 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 7/20/2015 6:44:36 PM, Fatihah wrote:
At 7/20/2015 6:26:31 PM, Skyangel wrote:

Nature was created by Mother Nature and Father Time. They do a good job of recycling it too.
You could learn a lot from them if you paid attention.

Response: Then that makes Mother Nature and Father Time Gods, since they originated creation. So who decides what between them and how do you know?

Mother Nature takes care of Nature and Father Time takes care of time. I know because their titles make it obvious.
All gods, including Greek gods, Pagan gods, Hebrew gods and Islamic gods are mythical.
They are all personifications of various powers of the universe.
Such
Posts: 1,110
Add as Friend
Challenge to a Debate
Send a Message
7/20/2015 8:47:24 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 7/19/2015 8:19:39 PM, RuvDraba wrote:
At 7/19/2015 7:47:34 PM, Skyangel wrote:
Well, does she?

Do you believe in a carnivorous mother, who devours 99% of her children, including 87% of her intelligent, tool-using children?

I'd prefer not to, Sky. I'd prefer not to think about such a bloodstained, file-toothed, leering, Kaliesque being at all, unless I were writing a horror novel. :)

Nature can be horrible and frightening, indeed.
Skyangel
Posts: 8,234
Add as Friend
Challenge to a Debate
Send a Message
7/20/2015 8:49:58 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 7/20/2015 8:14:23 PM, Skepticalone wrote:
At 7/20/2015 6:29:39 PM, Skyangel wrote:
At 7/20/2015 6:02:55 PM, Skepticalone wrote:
At 7/20/2015 5:38:32 PM, Fatihah wrote:
At 7/19/2015 7:47:34 PM, Skyangel wrote:
Well, does she?

Response: No. Nature was created by God.

Lies...

Whether a statement is true or a lie depends on your definition, perception and interpretation of the words you read and how you judge those words.

Whether something is true is not dependent on subjective interpretations. After all, I can think my wife loves me because I percieve love to mean marriage. Obviously, love does not mean marriage and I can be married without being loved.

Also, it should be noted I was yanking Fatihah's chain.

Might as well since she sets the example of yanking her own chain anyway. Sometimes even yanking them hard does not flush the refuse out of the system. ;-)
Some people are bound by their own chains and yanking them has no affect. You need to unchain her somehow but some people don't want to be unchained. Their chains make them feel secure.
Skyangel
Posts: 8,234
Add as Friend
Challenge to a Debate
Send a Message
7/20/2015 8:52:16 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 7/20/2015 8:46:37 PM, Such wrote:
At 7/19/2015 7:47:34 PM, Skyangel wrote:
Well, does she?

Yes.

Can you prove it?
Where is she and what does she look like?
Can people please or displease her?
Such
Posts: 1,110
Add as Friend
Challenge to a Debate
Send a Message
7/20/2015 8:54:33 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 7/20/2015 8:52:16 PM, Skyangel wrote:
At 7/20/2015 8:46:37 PM, Such wrote:
At 7/19/2015 7:47:34 PM, Skyangel wrote:
Well, does she?

Yes.

Can you prove it?

In the anthropological sense? Perhaps, rhetorically, or perhaps, anecdotally.

Where is she and what does she look like?

Omnipresent, and like everything around us not created directly by humanity.

Can people please or displease her?

It seems like it.
Such
Posts: 1,110
Add as Friend
Challenge to a Debate
Send a Message
7/20/2015 8:56:32 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 7/20/2015 8:54:33 PM, Such wrote:
At 7/20/2015 8:52:16 PM, Skyangel wrote:
At 7/20/2015 8:46:37 PM, Such wrote:
At 7/19/2015 7:47:34 PM, Skyangel wrote:
Well, does she?

Yes.

Can you prove it?

In the anthropological sense? Perhaps, rhetorically, or perhaps, anecdotally.

Where is she and what does she look like?

Omnipresent, and like everything around us not created directly by humanity.

Can people please or displease her?

It seems like it.

How does that differ from God?

It doesn't.

So, is there a God?

Perhaps.

Is he/she different from mother nature?

No.

Do you really believe in mother nature?

Inasmuch as I believe in God.

So, then why did you say that there's a mother nature?

Because, it seems like an interesting conversation.
Skyangel
Posts: 8,234
Add as Friend
Challenge to a Debate
Send a Message
7/20/2015 9:35:47 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 7/20/2015 8:56:32 PM, Such wrote:
At 7/20/2015 8:54:33 PM, Such wrote:
At 7/20/2015 8:52:16 PM, Skyangel wrote:
At 7/20/2015 8:46:37 PM, Such wrote:
At 7/19/2015 7:47:34 PM, Skyangel wrote:
Well, does she?

Yes.

Can you prove it?

In the anthropological sense? Perhaps, rhetorically, or perhaps, anecdotally.

Then you can prove God in the same way.

Where is she and what does she look like?

Omnipresent, and like everything around us not created directly by humanity.

The character is directly created by humanity. The power is obviously not.

Can people please or displease her?

It seems like it.

How does that differ from God?

It doesn't.

Correct.

So, is there a God?

Perhaps.

The force exists. The character does not.

Is he/she different from mother nature?

No.

Agreed.

Do you really believe in mother nature?

Inasmuch as I believe in God.

So, then why did you say that there's a mother nature?

Because, it seems like an interesting conversation.

It is very interesting that humans personify the forces of nature. It becomes hilarious when they start talking to those personifications as if they were real characters.
Superstition obviously still binds many immature human minds.
They are bound by their own self deception.
Fatihah
Posts: 7,740
Add as Friend
Challenge to a Debate
Send a Message
7/20/2015 10:28:13 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 7/20/2015 8:44:03 PM, Skyangel wrote:

Mother Nature takes care of Nature and Father Time takes care of time. I know because their titles make it obvious.
All gods, including Greek gods, Pagan gods, Hebrew gods and Islamic gods are mythical.
They are all personifications of various powers of the universe.

Response: If something is true because of its title, then when we put "Dumb" in front of Skyangel, what does that make you?
Skyangel
Posts: 8,234
Add as Friend
Challenge to a Debate
Send a Message
7/21/2015 2:13:53 AM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 7/20/2015 10:28:13 PM, Fatihah wrote:
At 7/20/2015 8:44:03 PM, Skyangel wrote:

Mother Nature takes care of Nature and Father Time takes care of time. I know because their titles make it obvious.
All gods, including Greek gods, Pagan gods, Hebrew gods and Islamic gods are mythical.
They are all personifications of various powers of the universe.

Response: If something is true because of its title, then when we put "Dumb" in front of Skyangel, what does that make you?

I am that I am regardless of how anyone judges me.
Skyangel
Posts: 8,234
Add as Friend
Challenge to a Debate
Send a Message
7/21/2015 5:18:42 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 7/20/2015 10:28:13 PM, Fatihah wrote:
At 7/20/2015 8:44:03 PM, Skyangel wrote:

Mother Nature takes care of Nature and Father Time takes care of time. I know because their titles make it obvious.
All gods, including Greek gods, Pagan gods, Hebrew gods and Islamic gods are mythical.
They are all personifications of various powers of the universe.

Response: If something is true because of its title, then when we put "Dumb" in front of Skyangel, what does that make you?

It makes me a real live human which you judge as dumb but at least I am not an invisible mythical character and don't worship one either. The real dumb people worship invisible mythical characters in which they believe like a small child believes in the magical Santa at the North Pole.
Skyangel
Posts: 8,234
Add as Friend
Challenge to a Debate
Send a Message
7/21/2015 5:24:55 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
Some of the questions on the forums relating to God, make me laugh. Replace the word God on any of them with Mother Nature or Father Time and you will see why...
eg
What are the criteria for a God to exist?
What are the criteria for Mother Nature to exist?

Don't adults on these forums understand that all gods are an anthropomorphism of the powers of the universe?