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7/24/2015 12:07:00 AM
Posted: 1 year ago
Since I was a kid America is nothing like how it used to be. Are these changes the cause of WWIII and will America fall? Is America the power behind the Antichrist?
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7/24/2015 12:50:12 AM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 7/24/2015 12:07:00 AM, Sooner wrote:
Since I was a kid America is nothing like how it used to be. Are these changes the cause of WWIII and will America fall? Is America the power behind the Antichrist?

The day religion is fixed, will be the day we are all free ... but, i don't see this happening. Their are some characters in this game that just are, for lack of a better word ... stupid. These ones are even worse when they are religious. Sigh...
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7/24/2015 12:53:53 AM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 7/24/2015 12:50:12 AM, Outplayz wrote:
At 7/24/2015 12:07:00 AM, Sooner wrote:
Since I was a kid America is nothing like how it used to be. Are these changes the cause of WWIII and will America fall? Is America the power behind the Antichrist?

The day religion is fixed, will be the day we are all free ... but, i don't see this happening. Their are some characters in this game that just are, for lack of a better word ... stupid. These ones are even worse when they are religious. Sigh...

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I'm not religious in any way, shape, or form. It's a religious forum. I asked a religious question. Correct?
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7/24/2015 12:57:51 AM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 7/24/2015 12:53:53 AM, Sooner wrote:
At 7/24/2015 12:50:12 AM, Outplayz wrote:
At 7/24/2015 12:07:00 AM, Sooner wrote:
Since I was a kid America is nothing like how it used to be. Are these changes the cause of WWIII and will America fall? Is America the power behind the Antichrist?

The day religion is fixed, will be the day we are all free ... but, i don't see this happening. Their are some characters in this game that just are, for lack of a better word ... stupid. These ones are even worse when they are religious. Sigh...

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I'm not religious in any way, shape, or form. It's a religious forum. I asked a religious question. Correct?

Okay ... I assumed you were bc you mentioned the anti-christ. My bad. However, my statement stands (it wasn't entirely directed at you anyways) ... bc it is in a religious forum =) . . .
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7/24/2015 1:07:07 AM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 7/24/2015 12:07:00 AM, Sooner wrote:
Since I was a kid America is nothing like how it used to be. Are these changes the cause of WWIII and will America fall? Is America the power behind the Antichrist?

When considering this grave proposition, it's very important to realise that the four century-old New World colony of the USA is the centre of all moral vision in the 12,000 year history of human civilisation, and that its consumerist small-town Protestantism is in fact the only civilised thought in the world.

When it goes (and it surely will, my friends, from the sheer weight of believing such insular, parochial pap), four billion years of biological development on earth will doubtless go with it.

Anything less would be nationally humiliating, wouldn't it?
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7/24/2015 2:56:24 AM
Posted: 1 year ago
When considering this grave proposition, it's very important to realise that the four century-old New World colony of the USA is the centre of all moral vision in the 12,000 year history of human civilisation, and that its consumerist small-town Protestantism is in fact the only civilised thought in the world.

When it goes (and it surely will, my friends, from the sheer weight of believing such insular, parochial pap), four billion years of biological development on earth will doubtless go with it.

Anything less would be nationally humiliating, wouldn't it?

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The humiliation for me is America has watered down our alcohol and is one of only few nations that takes drug testing seriously. It's one of few places you can be thrown in a cage for simply getting high even if in your own home. It's a nation where the poor are targeted. 90$+ of drug sweeps are done in poor neighborhoods despite studies that show most drug addicts are not poor. Hollywood, the NFL, the NBA, the MLB, Wallstreet, and colleges are well known for their use at unimaginable levels. Even Washington itself isn't drug tested. Wierd. Everyone else is. Even Welfare applicants were targeted by the anti freedom movement of Washington. 2.5% of applicants failed the tests. Every state lost money big time. Does a clean person in poverty look like a "crackhead"? What does a wealthy crackhead look like? Think about it. So yes, in symbolism only, I think the U.S. government is the power of "The Antichrist.
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7/24/2015 4:11:28 AM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 7/24/2015 2:56:24 AM, Sooner wrote:
When considering this grave proposition, it's very important to realise that the four century-old New World colony of the USA is the centre of all moral vision in the 12,000 year history of human civilisation, and that its consumerist small-town Protestantism is in fact the only civilised thought in the world.

When it goes (and it surely will, my friends, from the sheer weight of believing such insular, parochial pap), four billion years of biological development on earth will doubtless go with it.

Anything less would be nationally humiliating, wouldn't it?

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The humiliation for me is America has watered down our alcohol and is one of only few nations that takes drug testing seriously. It's one of few places you can be thrown in a cage for simply getting high even if in your own home. It's a nation where the poor are targeted. 90$+ of drug sweeps are done in poor neighborhoods despite studies that show most drug addicts are not poor. Hollywood, the NFL, the NBA, the MLB, Wallstreet, and colleges are well known for their use at unimaginable levels. Even Washington itself isn't drug tested. Wierd. Everyone else is. Even Welfare applicants were targeted by the anti freedom movement of Washington. 2.5% of applicants failed the tests. Every state lost money big time. Does a clean person in poverty look like a "crackhead"? What does a wealthy crackhead look like? Think about it. So yes, in symbolism only, I think the U.S. government is the power of "The Antichrist.

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Although I have not read or understood your message in entirety or part, it is clear that your circular argument proves your mental deficiencies, which in turn disproves your point which in turn PROVES your point which in turn proves MY point, which you cannot possibly understand, and therefore I shall not restate, though I have not yet stated it, because you could not possibly understand.
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7/24/2015 7:06:57 AM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 7/24/2015 12:07:00 AM, Sooner wrote:
Since I was a kid America is nothing like how it used to be. Are these changes the cause of WWIII and will America fall? Is America the power behind the Antichrist?

Culture changes. It always does. It probably won't cause WW3, because I don't see that the US has gotten much more aggresive. Furthermore, there is no antichrist, so America can't be the power behind it.
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7/24/2015 7:59:26 AM
Posted: 1 year ago
In all probability there is no such entities as anti-christs, or a deities. If America is getting less religious that is all to the good. The right-wing Christian nutters in America have done that country no good at all, imo.
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7/26/2015 8:16:07 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
I don't believe in an anti-Christ so I can't agree with what you said about that.
What you are seeing isn't godlessness. What you are seeing is the dissolving of culture. Cultures die hard. They usually die as a result of another, more powerful nation taking over that culture. Here in America we have a modern movement of liberalism, based on socialism, taking over.
This socialist movement has more to do with propaganda and media brainwashing than it does anything else. There isn't an anti-Christ involved in this movement. The reality of this movement comes from the 1960's college students who are now in power. These students were tricked into the so called utopianism of socialism.

In a sense, utopianism is much like a religion. It is based on myth and false science.
The utopian ideal was tried in Russia, China, Cambodia, and Vietnam. To a lesser extent it was tried in other countries. Everywhere that it has been tried it has lead to horrific disaster for all who are involved.

The young people of America are being whipped into a frenzy by this utopian idea. It states that free markets and wage slavery leads to the so called horrors that we now live in. By doing away with the free market, and putting people in modern day communes (communes is how we get the word Communism) we can all work for each other and live in peace and harmony, and travel to the stars. No one will be poor and we will all have enough food, clothing, and shelter.

The problem with this idea is how do you get people to willingly give up everything that they have and go join a workers commune? You can't. The only way to get them to do this is to point guns at them. Of course, people will revolt and rebel. These people will have to be shot.
Once people are on the commune, how do you get them to work if they aren't getting paid for it? You can't get them to work. You will have to point guns at them. The people will become terrified and try to flee. So a large scale prison will have to be put into place. The people who are lazy and don't produce will have to be shot because there won't be enough food and they aren't producing anything anyway. Eventually the whole mass of people become slaves, living in terror, afraid for their families and their own lives. The people who run the government won't care. They won't care because they will be living like kings in their palaces. They will also be sleeping with all of the women. Yes, my friend, this is exactly what happened in all of the nations who have tried the socialistic utopianism.
Socialism is trying to stamp out your Christian culture. Sadly, Christians are trying to fight back by creating a theocracy. Both the left and the right are veering from the ideas of the founding of our great nation. It's a shame. I don't think we will ever get back to who we once were.
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7/26/2015 8:26:19 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 7/24/2015 12:07:00 AM, Sooner wrote:
Since I was a kid America is nothing like how it used to be. Are these changes the cause of WWIII and will America fall? Is America the power behind the Antichrist?

America may or may not fall in our lifetimes. Rome was messed up pretty much since its beginning and it lasted as a great empire for centuries.
It ultimately doesn't matter whether or not the U.S. gets judged in our lifetimes, because just because people get away with crap in this lifetime doesn't mean they'll get away with it in the next.
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7/26/2015 8:32:42 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 7/24/2015 12:50:12 AM, Outplayz wrote:
At 7/24/2015 12:07:00 AM, Sooner wrote:
Since I was a kid America is nothing like how it used to be. Are these changes the cause of WWIII and will America fall? Is America the power behind the Antichrist?

The day religion is fixed, will be the day we are all free ... but, i don't see this happening. Their are some characters in this game that just are, for lack of a better word ... stupid. These ones are even worse when they are religious. Sigh...

I disagree. The biggest wars of the USA's history had nothing to do with religion.
Civil War; Revolutionary War; Spanish American; WWI; Korea; WWII; Vietnam; Andall the Gulf Wars. All wars are fought over land, you should know that. Or from trying to press your ideology on somebody else. Political ideology, not religious.
its true there have been wars fought in the name of religion. but even these, the parties just used that as an excuse. there was always an ulterior motive.
What needs to be eradicated is Greed. Hate. the thirst for power. All those things Jesus spoke of. If everybody would follow His Teachings then no more war. Nobody who was truly in God's Grace has ever started a War.
Tomorrow's forecast: God reigns and the Son shines!
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7/26/2015 8:34:42 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
Oh BTW theres no such thing as the Anti-Christ. Unless you are speaking of a type of thinking that goes against what the Christos, Jesus, tried to teach us. And these people are the type that are the cause of War that I said in my post right above!! see how it ties in??
Tomorrow's forecast: God reigns and the Son shines!
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7/26/2015 8:43:19 PM
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Oh BTW theres no such thing as the Anti-Christ. Unless you are speaking of a type of thinking that goes against what the Christos, Jesus, tried to teach us. And these people are the type that are the cause of War that I said in my post right above!! see how it ties in??
Tomorrow's forecast: God reigns and the Son shines!
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7/29/2015 11:07:20 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 7/26/2015 8:32:42 PM, August_Burns_Red wrote:
At 7/24/2015 12:50:12 AM, Outplayz wrote:
At 7/24/2015 12:07:00 AM, Sooner wrote:
Since I was a kid America is nothing like how it used to be. Are these changes the cause of WWIII and will America fall? Is America the power behind the Antichrist?

The day religion is fixed, will be the day we are all free ... but, i don't see this happening. Their are some characters in this game that just are, for lack of a better word ... stupid. These ones are even worse when they are religious. Sigh...

I disagree. The biggest wars of the USA's history had nothing to do with religion.
Civil War; Revolutionary War; Spanish American; WWI; Korea; WWII; Vietnam; Andall the Gulf Wars. All wars are fought over land, you should know that. Or from trying to press your ideology on somebody else. Political ideology, not religious.
its true there have been wars fought in the name of religion. but even these, the parties just used that as an excuse. there was always an ulterior motive.
What needs to be eradicated is Greed. Hate. the thirst for power. All those things Jesus spoke of. If everybody would follow His Teachings then no more war. Nobody who was truly in God's Grace has ever started a War.

I guess we need to do a better job in defining "God's grace"
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7/29/2015 11:11:18 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 7/29/2015 11:07:20 PM, Outplayz wrote:
At 7/26/2015 8:32:42 PM, August_Burns_Red wrote:
At 7/24/2015 12:50:12 AM, Outplayz wrote:
At 7/24/2015 12:07:00 AM, Sooner wrote:
Since I was a kid America is nothing like how it used to be. Are these changes the cause of WWIII and will America fall? Is America the power behind the Antichrist?

The day religion is fixed, will be the day we are all free ... but, i don't see this happening. Their are some characters in this game that just are, for lack of a better word ... stupid. These ones are even worse when they are religious. Sigh...

I disagree. The biggest wars of the USA's history had nothing to do with religion.
Civil War; Revolutionary War; Spanish American; WWI; Korea; WWII; Vietnam; Andall the Gulf Wars. All wars are fought over land, you should know that. Or from trying to press your ideology on somebody else. Political ideology, not religious.
its true there have been wars fought in the name of religion. but even these, the parties just used that as an excuse. there was always an ulterior motive.
What needs to be eradicated is Greed. Hate. the thirst for power. All those things Jesus spoke of. If everybody would follow His Teachings then no more war. Nobody who was truly in God's Grace has ever started a War.

I guess we need to do a better job in defining "God's grace"

Perhaps. From an article I read on a Faith-baes website which I liked.......

When we speak of God's grace, we mean all the good gifts we enjoy freely in life. There are so many. We could spend a lifetime celebrating them: blackberries, buttercups, moonlight, salamanders, etc. A more summary approach is to affirm that life itself is the fundamental gift, with all its delights. For us, the gift of life includes the wondrous gift of being human, finding ourselves plopped down in the midst of the larger gift of creation.

That is the bedrock of grace"creation, life, human being. As humans, we are given a unique place in the created order. The creation stories in Genesis are ways of celebrating this original grace. In the stories, God pronounces all creation, including humankind, very good, that is, full of grace.

We also use the word grace to mean the secondary gifts we perceive in the skill and intelligence of creatures. The gospel says the boy Jesus grew in grace and favor, meaning he began to exhibit his unique personality and potential to contribute to his community. We speak of the beauty of a lion or a dancer, saying they exude an animal grace, discerned in the vitality and fluidity of their movement. When we use the word graceful to describe a creature, it's because the creature is being expressive of its God-given self.
Tomorrow's forecast: God reigns and the Son shines!
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7/30/2015 12:26:00 AM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 7/26/2015 8:32:42 PM, August_Burns_Red wrote:
At 7/24/2015 12:50:12 AM, Outplayz wrote:
At 7/24/2015 12:07:00 AM, Sooner wrote:
Since I was a kid America is nothing like how it used to be. Are these changes the cause of WWIII and will America fall? Is America the power behind the Antichrist?

The day religion is fixed, will be the day we are all free ... but, i don't see this happening. Their are some characters in this game that just are, for lack of a better word ... stupid. These ones are even worse when they are religious. Sigh...

I disagree. The biggest wars of the USA's history had nothing to do with religion.
Civil War; Revolutionary War; Spanish American; WWI; Korea; WWII; Vietnam; Andall the Gulf Wars. All wars are fought over land, you should know that. Or from trying to press your ideology on somebody else. Political ideology, not religious.
its true there have been wars fought in the name of religion. but even these, the parties just used that as an excuse. there was always an ulterior motive.
What needs to be eradicated is Greed. Hate. the thirst for power. All those things Jesus spoke of. If everybody would follow His Teachings then no more war. Nobody who was truly in God's Grace has ever started a War.

So in essence, the hearts of man must change for the world to change.
Morality is of the highest importance - but for us, not for God.
Albert Einstein
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7/31/2015 12:13:39 AM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 7/30/2015 12:26:00 AM, SevenDust wrote:
At 7/26/2015 8:32:42 PM, August_Burns_Red wrote:
At 7/24/2015 12:50:12 AM, Outplayz wrote:
At 7/24/2015 12:07:00 AM, Sooner wrote:


So in essence, the hearts of man must change for the world to change.

Not only hearts, but minds. Are ego's are too big. The he says she says is too much. And, us in general ... we think war, we think Armageddon. That someone is right and someone is wrong. That i should look at another soul as doomed bc they do not see the way i do. This is why, even if religion isn't the direct cause of suffering, it has an ironic hand in it.
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7/31/2015 12:22:52 AM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 7/29/2015 11:11:18 PM, August_Burns_Red wrote:
At 7/29/2015 11:07:20 PM, Outplayz wrote:
At 7/26/2015 8:32:42 PM, August_Burns_Red wrote:
At 7/24/2015 12:50:12 AM, Outplayz wrote:
At 7/24/2015 12:07:00 AM, Sooner wrote:

Perhaps. From an article I read on a Faith-baes website which I liked.......

When we speak of God's grace, we mean all the good gifts we enjoy freely in life. There are so many. We could spend a lifetime celebrating them: blackberries, buttercups, moonlight, salamanders, etc. A more summary approach is to affirm that life itself is the fundamental gift, with all its delights. For us, the gift of life includes the wondrous gift of being human, finding ourselves plopped down in the midst of the larger gift of creation.

That is the bedrock of grace"creation, life, human being. As humans, we are given a unique place in the created order. The creation stories in Genesis are ways of celebrating this original grace. In the stories, God pronounces all creation, including humankind, very good, that is, full of grace.

We also use the word grace to mean the secondary gifts we perceive in the skill and intelligence of creatures. The gospel says the boy Jesus grew in grace and favor, meaning he began to exhibit his unique personality and potential to contribute to his community. We speak of the beauty of a lion or a dancer, saying they exude an animal grace, discerned in the vitality and fluidity of their movement. When we use the word graceful to describe a creature, it's because the creature is being expressive of its God-given self.


I'm sure there are a lot of people, including me, that agree with these definitions. I believe in your god, just differently. I will not call myself religious bc that isn't what i am ... nor is anyone else. We are spiritual beings. Your bible was written by whom it was suppose to be written by. Our story stretches into the future. However, we are spiritually dead right now ... and, to me, it is purely ego. If you were a Muslim ... i would be saying the same thing to you, "i believe in your god." I don't mean to make myself sound like something special ... but, i do have grace. I have grace in understanding what we are. I see this spiritual truth and clearly ... yet, there are the spiritually dead that stand in the way of spiritual freedom. Ironically, most of these spiritually dead, call themselves religious.
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7/31/2015 12:52:30 AM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 7/31/2015 12:22:52 AM, Outplayz wrote:
At 7/29/2015 11:11:18 PM, August_Burns_Red wrote:
At 7/29/2015 11:07:20 PM, Outplayz wrote:
At 7/26/2015 8:32:42 PM, August_Burns_Red wrote:
At 7/24/2015 12:50:12 AM, Outplayz wrote:
At 7/24/2015 12:07:00 AM, Sooner wrote:

Perhaps. From an article I read on a Faith-baes website which I liked.......

When we speak of God's grace, we mean all the good gifts we enjoy freely in life. There are so many. We could spend a lifetime celebrating them: blackberries, buttercups, moonlight, salamanders, etc. A more summary approach is to affirm that life itself is the fundamental gift, with all its delights. For us, the gift of life includes the wondrous gift of being human, finding ourselves plopped down in the midst of the larger gift of creation.

That is the bedrock of grace"creation, life, human being. As humans, we are given a unique place in the created order. The creation stories in Genesis are ways of celebrating this original grace. In the stories, God pronounces all creation, including humankind, very good, that is, full of grace.

We also use the word grace to mean the secondary gifts we perceive in the skill and intelligence of creatures. The gospel says the boy Jesus grew in grace and favor, meaning he began to exhibit his unique personality and potential to contribute to his community. We speak of the beauty of a lion or a dancer, saying they exude an animal grace, discerned in the vitality and fluidity of their movement. When we use the word graceful to describe a creature, it's because the creature is being expressive of its God-given self.


I'm sure there are a lot of people, including me, that agree with these definitions. I believe in your god, just differently. I will not call myself religious bc that isn't what i am ... nor is anyone else. We are spiritual beings. Your bible was written by whom it was suppose to be written by. Our story stretches into the future. However, we are spiritually dead right now ... and, to me, it is purely ego. If you were a Muslim ... i would be saying the same thing to you, "i believe in your god." I don't mean to make myself sound like something special ... but, i do have grace. I have grace in understanding what we are. I see this spiritual truth and clearly ... yet, there are the spiritually dead that stand in the way of spiritual freedom. Ironically, most of these spiritually dead, call themselves religious.

Agreed 100% my friend! I have no doubt you are spiritual and enjoy a strong conscious contact with God. I am not one of those Christians who thinks that you cannot know God if you are not of my Religion or don't believe like I do. I also don't think the Bible is the only pathway to know God. (Maybe Jesus, but not God the Creator).
And yes..I have met many religious people who do not have much Spirituality. Or know God very well. They might be able to quote the Hell out of the Bible, but actually that means very little to God.
thank you and God Bless.
Tomorrow's forecast: God reigns and the Son shines!
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7/31/2015 1:36:22 AM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 7/31/2015 12:52:30 AM, August_Burns_Red wrote:
At 7/31/2015 12:22:52 AM, Outplayz wrote:
At 7/29/2015 11:11:18 PM, August_Burns_Red wrote:
At 7/29/2015 11:07:20 PM, Outplayz wrote:
At 7/26/2015 8:32:42 PM, August_Burns_Red wrote:
At 7/24/2015 12:50:12 AM, Outplayz wrote:
At 7/24/2015 12:07:00 AM, Sooner wrote:

Perhaps. From an article I read on a Faith-baes website which I liked.......

When we speak of God's grace, we mean all the good gifts we enjoy freely in life. There are so many. We could spend a lifetime celebrating them: blackberries, buttercups, moonlight, salamanders, etc. A more summary approach is to affirm that life itself is the fundamental gift, with all its delights. For us, the gift of life includes the wondrous gift of being human, finding ourselves plopped down in the midst of the larger gift of creation.

That is the bedrock of grace"creation, life, human being. As humans, we are given a unique place in the created order. The creation stories in Genesis are ways of celebrating this original grace. In the stories, God pronounces all creation, including humankind, very good, that is, full of grace.

We also use the word grace to mean the secondary gifts we perceive in the skill and intelligence of creatures. The gospel says the boy Jesus grew in grace and favor, meaning he began to exhibit his unique personality and potential to contribute to his community. We speak of the beauty of a lion or a dancer, saying they exude an animal grace, discerned in the vitality and fluidity of their movement. When we use the word graceful to describe a creature, it's because the creature is being expressive of its God-given self.


I'm sure there are a lot of people, including me, that agree with these definitions. I believe in your god, just differently. I will not call myself religious bc that isn't what i am ... nor is anyone else. We are spiritual beings. Your bible was written by whom it was suppose to be written by. Our story stretches into the future. However, we are spiritually dead right now ... and, to me, it is purely ego. If you were a Muslim ... i would be saying the same thing to you, "i believe in your god." I don't mean to make myself sound like something special ... but, i do have grace. I have grace in understanding what we are. I see this spiritual truth and clearly ... yet, there are the spiritually dead that stand in the way of spiritual freedom. Ironically, most of these spiritually dead, call themselves religious.

Agreed 100% my friend! I have no doubt you are spiritual and enjoy a strong conscious contact with God. I am not one of those Christians who thinks that you cannot know God if you are not of my Religion or don't believe like I do. I also don't think the Bible is the only pathway to know God. (Maybe Jesus, but not God the Creator).
And yes..I have met many religious people who do not have much Spirituality. Or know God very well. They might be able to quote the Hell out of the Bible, but actually that means very little to God.
thank you and God Bless.

I must say, it was an enjoyment seeing your post. It feels really good. Knowing that there are people out there like you that can see past the ego that binds us is a really good feeling. That is why i am optimistic about the future, i can tell the newer generations are figuring this out. I can't wait for the day we are all spiritually one. I think this will be a better day. I love all religions. They all express love one way or the other. Ultimately, it is what you hold in your heart and mind that makes you (here or the afterlife). Blessed by your journey bud. (i know that is kinda Wiccaish, but hey ... that is an interesting religion as well ;)
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7/31/2015 1:44:26 AM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 7/31/2015 1:36:22 AM, Outplayz wrote:
At 7/31/2015 12:52:30 AM, August_Burns_Red wrote:
At 7/31/2015 12:22:52 AM, Outplayz wrote:
At 7/29/2015 11:11:18 PM, August_Burns_Red wrote:
At 7/29/2015 11:07:20 PM, Outplayz wrote:
At 7/26/2015 8:32:42 PM, August_Burns_Red wrote:
At 7/24/2015 12:50:12 AM, Outplayz wrote:
At 7/24/2015 12:07:00 AM, Sooner wrote:

Perhaps. From an article I read on a Faith-baes website which I liked.......

When we speak of God's grace, we mean all the good gifts we enjoy freely in life. There are so many. We could spend a lifetime celebrating them: blackberries, buttercups, moonlight, salamanders, etc. A more summary approach is to affirm that life itself is the fundamental gift, with all its delights. For us, the gift of life includes the wondrous gift of being human, finding ourselves plopped down in the midst of the larger gift of creation.

That is the bedrock of grace"creation, life, human being. As humans, we are given a unique place in the created order. The creation stories in Genesis are ways of celebrating this original grace. In the stories, God pronounces all creation, including humankind, very good, that is, full of grace.

We also use the word grace to mean the secondary gifts we perceive in the skill and intelligence of creatures. The gospel says the boy Jesus grew in grace and favor, meaning he began to exhibit his unique personality and potential to contribute to his community. We speak of the beauty of a lion or a dancer, saying they exude an animal grace, discerned in the vitality and fluidity of their movement. When we use the word graceful to describe a creature, it's because the creature is being expressive of its God-given self.


I'm sure there are a lot of people, including me, that agree with these definitions. I believe in your god, just differently. I will not call myself religious bc that isn't what i am ... nor is anyone else. We are spiritual beings. Your bible was written by whom it was suppose to be written by. Our story stretches into the future. However, we are spiritually dead right now ... and, to me, it is purely ego. If you were a Muslim ... i would be saying the same thing to you, "i believe in your god." I don't mean to make myself sound like something special ... but, i do have grace. I have grace in understanding what we are. I see this spiritual truth and clearly ... yet, there are the spiritually dead that stand in the way of spiritual freedom. Ironically, most of these spiritually dead, call themselves religious.

Agreed 100% my friend! I have no doubt you are spiritual and enjoy a strong conscious contact with God. I am not one of those Christians who thinks that you cannot know God if you are not of my Religion or don't believe like I do. I also don't think the Bible is the only pathway to know God. (Maybe Jesus, but not God the Creator).
And yes..I have met many religious people who do not have much Spirituality. Or know God very well. They might be able to quote the Hell out of the Bible, but actually that means very little to God.
thank you and God Bless.

I must say, it was an enjoyment seeing your post. It feels really good. Knowing that there are people out there like you that can see past the ego that binds us is a really good feeling. That is why i am optimistic about the future, i can tell the newer generations are figuring this out. I can't wait for the day we are all spiritually one. I think this will be a better day. I love all religions. They all express love one way or the other. Ultimately, it is what you hold in your heart and mind that makes you (here or the afterlife). Blessed by your journey bud. (i know that is kinda Wiccaish, but hey ... that is an interesting religion as well ;)

Thank you, friend. Same to you. (I got no problem with Wicca, by the way. One of the girls who works out at my Box is a Wiccan. From what I gather it sounds like Nature worship with a bit of magic tossed in. White magic they call it. Nothing to do with Satanism like some people think.
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7/31/2015 1:56:43 AM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 7/31/2015 1:44:26 AM, August_Burns_Red wrote:
At 7/31/2015 1:36:22 AM, Outplayz wrote:
At 7/31/2015 12:52:30 AM, August_Burns_Red wrote:
At 7/31/2015 12:22:52 AM, Outplayz wrote:
At 7/29/2015 11:11:18 PM, August_Burns_Red wrote:
At 7/29/2015 11:07:20 PM, Outplayz wrote:
At 7/26/2015 8:32:42 PM, August_Burns_Red wrote:
At 7/24/2015 12:50:12 AM, Outplayz wrote:
At 7/24/2015 12:07:00 AM, Sooner wrote:


Thank you, friend. Same to you. (I got no problem with Wicca, by the way. One of the girls who works out at my Box is a Wiccan. From what I gather it sounds like Nature worship with a bit of magic tossed in. White magic they call it. Nothing to do with Satanism like some people think.

Right. Wicca has many definitions. Like the world, it all comes down to the practitioner. However, i don't think there are many "bad" Wiccans bc all were kind that i've met, but it would be plausible that there are some bad unfortunately. Mostly, it is a nature based belief, but does have the many gods theory like pagans as well. I accept that. I believe we are all "gods" that can correlate with that belief. I also think all of us came from an original source, which correlates with a monotheistic god belief. It is interesting when you put spiritual ideas together. I feel there is something awesome hiding right before our eyes, we just need more time to see it. Hopefully not too much longer.
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7/31/2015 2:07:30 AM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 7/31/2015 1:56:43 AM, Outplayz wrote:
At 7/31/2015 1:44:26 AM, August_Burns_Red wrote:
At 7/31/2015 1:36:22 AM, Outplayz wrote:
At 7/31/2015 12:52:30 AM, August_Burns_Red wrote:
At 7/31/2015 12:22:52 AM, Outplayz wrote:
At 7/29/2015 11:11:18 PM, August_Burns_Red wrote:
At 7/29/2015 11:07:20 PM, Outplayz wrote:
At 7/26/2015 8:32:42 PM, August_Burns_Red wrote:
At 7/24/2015 12:50:12 AM, Outplayz wrote:
At 7/24/2015 12:07:00 AM, Sooner wrote:


Thank you, friend. Same to you. (I got no problem with Wicca, by the way. One of the girls who works out at my Box is a Wiccan. From what I gather it sounds like Nature worship with a bit of magic tossed in. White magic they call it. Nothing to do with Satanism like some people think.

Right. Wicca has many definitions. Like the world, it all comes down to the practitioner. However, i don't think there are many "bad" Wiccans bc all were kind that i've met, but it would be plausible that there are some bad unfortunately. Mostly, it is a nature based belief, but does have the many gods theory like pagans as well. I accept that. I believe we are all "gods" that can correlate with that belief. I also think all of us came from an original source, which correlates with a monotheistic god belief. It is interesting when you put spiritual ideas together. I feel there is something awesome hiding right before our eyes, we just need more time to see it. Hopefully not too much longer.

All agreed once again! I just did a post on the Science forum about so-called screwy theories that we think might be true. you should check it out! I was speaking of the very thing you just said: how soon we will be able to measure and detect how things like power of prayer (and maybe God?) really work in our World.
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7/31/2015 2:31:22 AM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 7/31/2015 2:07:30 AM, August_Burns_Red wrote:
At 7/31/2015 1:56:43 AM, Outplayz wrote:
At 7/31/2015 1:44:26 AM, August_Burns_Red wrote:
At 7/31/2015 1:36:22 AM, Outplayz wrote:
At 7/31/2015 12:52:30 AM, August_Burns_Red wrote:
At 7/31/2015 12:22:52 AM, Outplayz wrote:
At 7/29/2015 11:11:18 PM, August_Burns_Red wrote:
At 7/29/2015 11:07:20 PM, Outplayz wrote:
At 7/26/2015 8:32:42 PM, August_Burns_Red wrote:
At 7/24/2015 12:50:12 AM, Outplayz wrote:
At 7/24/2015 12:07:00 AM, Sooner wrote:


Thank you, friend. Same to you. (I got no problem with Wicca, by the way. One of the girls who works out at my Box is a Wiccan. From what I gather it sounds like Nature worship with a bit of magic tossed in. White magic they call it. Nothing to do with Satanism like some people think.

Right. Wicca has many definitions. Like the world, it all comes down to the practitioner. However, i don't think there are many "bad" Wiccans bc all were kind that i've met, but it would be plausible that there are some bad unfortunately. Mostly, it is a nature based belief, but does have the many gods theory like pagans as well. I accept that. I believe we are all "gods" that can correlate with that belief. I also think all of us came from an original source, which correlates with a monotheistic god belief. It is interesting when you put spiritual ideas together. I feel there is something awesome hiding right before our eyes, we just need more time to see it. Hopefully not too much longer.

All agreed once again! I just did a post on the Science forum about so-called screwy theories that we think might be true. you should check it out! I was speaking of the very thing you just said: how soon we will be able to measure and detect how things like power of prayer (and maybe God?) really work in our World.

I would love to. Can you give me a link to it?
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7/31/2015 2:33:16 AM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 7/31/2015 2:31:22 AM, Outplayz wrote:
At 7/31/2015 2:07:30 AM, August_Burns_Red wrote:
At 7/31/2015 1:56:43 AM, Outplayz wrote:
At 7/31/2015 1:44:26 AM, August_Burns_Red wrote:
At 7/31/2015 1:36:22 AM, Outplayz wrote:
At 7/31/2015 12:52:30 AM, August_Burns_Red wrote:
At 7/31/2015 12:22:52 AM, Outplayz wrote:
At 7/29/2015 11:11:18 PM, August_Burns_Red wrote:
At 7/29/2015 11:07:20 PM, Outplayz wrote:
At 7/26/2015 8:32:42 PM, August_Burns_Red wrote:
At 7/24/2015 12:50:12 AM, Outplayz wrote:
At 7/24/2015 12:07:00 AM, Sooner wrote:


Thank you, friend. Same to you. (I got no problem with Wicca, by the way. One of the girls who works out at my Box is a Wiccan. From what I gather it sounds like Nature worship with a bit of magic tossed in. White magic they call it. Nothing to do with Satanism like some people think.

Right. Wicca has many definitions. Like the world, it all comes down to the practitioner. However, i don't think there are many "bad" Wiccans bc all were kind that i've met, but it would be plausible that there are some bad unfortunately. Mostly, it is a nature based belief, but does have the many gods theory like pagans as well. I accept that. I believe we are all "gods" that can correlate with that belief. I also think all of us came from an original source, which correlates with a monotheistic god belief. It is interesting when you put spiritual ideas together. I feel there is something awesome hiding right before our eyes, we just need more time to see it. Hopefully not too much longer.

All agreed once again! I just did a post on the Science forum about so-called screwy theories that we think might be true. you should check it out! I was speaking of the very thing you just said: how soon we will be able to measure and detect how things like power of prayer (and maybe God?) really work in our World.

I would love to. Can you give me a link to it?

I can and I will, buddy! Here ya go......http://www.debate.org...
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7/31/2015 2:39:24 AM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 7/31/2015 2:33:16 AM, August_Burns_Red wrote:
At 7/31/2015 2:31:22 AM, Outplayz wrote:
At 7/31/2015 2:07:30 AM, August_Burns_Red wrote:
At 7/31/2015 1:56:43 AM, Outplayz wrote:
At 7/31/2015 1:44:26 AM, August_Burns_Red wrote:
At 7/31/2015 1:36:22 AM, Outplayz wrote:
At 7/31/2015 12:52:30 AM, August_Burns_Red wrote:
At 7/31/2015 12:22:52 AM, Outplayz wrote:
At 7/29/2015 11:11:18 PM, August_Burns_Red wrote:
At 7/29/2015 11:07:20 PM, Outplayz wrote:
At 7/26/2015 8:32:42 PM, August_Burns_Red wrote:
At 7/24/2015 12:50:12 AM, Outplayz wrote:
At 7/24/2015 12:07:00 AM, Sooner wrote:


Thank you, friend. Same to you. (I got no problem with Wicca, by the way. One of the girls who works out at my Box is a Wiccan. From what I gather it sounds like Nature worship with a bit of magic tossed in. White magic they call it. Nothing to do with Satanism like some people think.

Right. Wicca has many definitions. Like the world, it all comes down to the practitioner. However, i don't think there are many "bad" Wiccans bc all were kind that i've met, but it would be plausible that there are some bad unfortunately. Mostly, it is a nature based belief, but does have the many gods theory like pagans as well. I accept that. I believe we are all "gods" that can correlate with that belief. I also think all of us came from an original source, which correlates with a monotheistic god belief. It is interesting when you put spiritual ideas together. I feel there is something awesome hiding right before our eyes, we just need more time to see it. Hopefully not too much longer.

All agreed once again! I just did a post on the Science forum about so-called screwy theories that we think might be true. you should check it out! I was speaking of the very thing you just said: how soon we will be able to measure and detect how things like power of prayer (and maybe God?) really work in our World.

I would love to. Can you give me a link to it?

I can and I will, buddy! Here ya go......http://www.debate.org...

Thanks. I read the comments so far ... got me interested. I will respond with some "crazy" thoughts i've had too Lol ;) Gotta go for now, so i will join you on the other forum when i get some time. Have a great day/night ^-^