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UtherPenguin
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7/25/2015 11:27:40 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
What aspect of organized Religion do you dislike the most?
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Mhykiel
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7/25/2015 11:30:11 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 7/25/2015 11:27:40 PM, UtherPenguin wrote:
What aspect of organized Religion do you dislike the most?

Any God that says how they are living might be wrong.
Skepticalone
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7/26/2015 1:33:14 AM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 7/25/2015 11:27:40 PM, UtherPenguin wrote:
What aspect of organized Religion do you dislike the most?

Dogma.
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johnlubba
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7/26/2015 5:56:03 AM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 7/26/2015 5:39:15 AM, RuvDraba wrote:
At 7/25/2015 11:27:40 PM, UtherPenguin wrote:
What aspect of organized Religion do you dislike the most?

The evil.

What about the good. You seem to have a very limited view compared to others, I don't think anybody would appeal to religion if they held your views.

As it happens, people appeal to religion in hope of the exact opposite.
johnlubba
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7/26/2015 5:58:01 AM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 7/25/2015 11:27:40 PM, UtherPenguin wrote:
What aspect of organized Religion do you dislike the most?

That people claim theirs is the only way.

This is a totally ridiculous concept, given that people come from many different cultures and backgrounds.
XLAV
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7/26/2015 6:01:24 AM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 7/25/2015 11:27:40 PM, UtherPenguin wrote:
What aspect of organized Religion do you dislike the most?

The waste of money, time and resources.
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RuvDraba
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7/26/2015 6:13:15 AM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 7/26/2015 5:56:03 AM, johnlubba wrote:
At 7/26/2015 5:39:15 AM, RuvDraba wrote:
At 7/25/2015 11:27:40 PM, UtherPenguin wrote:
What aspect of organized Religion do you dislike the most?

The evil.

What about the good.

I wasn't asked about good, John.
johnlubba
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7/26/2015 6:21:03 AM
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At 7/26/2015 6:13:15 AM, RuvDraba wrote:
At 7/26/2015 5:56:03 AM, johnlubba wrote:
At 7/26/2015 5:39:15 AM, RuvDraba wrote:
At 7/25/2015 11:27:40 PM, UtherPenguin wrote:
What aspect of organized Religion do you dislike the most?

The evil.

What about the good.

I wasn't asked about good, John.

True, I realised this after I posted.

My apologies.
Wylted
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7/26/2015 6:35:46 AM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 7/25/2015 11:27:40 PM, UtherPenguin wrote:
What aspect of organized Religion do you dislike the most?

The part where your priest inappropriately touches you before the age of puberty and it scars you for life.
tejretics
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7/26/2015 6:41:45 AM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 7/26/2015 6:01:24 AM, XLAV wrote:
At 7/25/2015 11:27:40 PM, UtherPenguin wrote:
What aspect of organized Religion do you dislike the most?

The waste of money, time and resources.

+1
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tejretics
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7/26/2015 6:43:36 AM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 7/25/2015 11:27:40 PM, UtherPenguin wrote:
What aspect of organized Religion do you dislike the most?

1) Atheists don't have to dislike organized religion.
2) But I do dislike *organized* religion as well as organized nonreligion (*cough* antitheism *cough*). That's because it results in differentiation, discrimination, and violence. I value secularism greater than I value atheism.
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RuvDraba
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7/26/2015 7:31:24 AM
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At 7/26/2015 6:21:03 AM, johnlubba wrote:
At 7/26/2015 6:13:15 AM, RuvDraba wrote:
At 7/26/2015 5:56:03 AM, johnlubba wrote:
At 7/26/2015 5:39:15 AM, RuvDraba wrote:
At 7/25/2015 11:27:40 PM, UtherPenguin wrote:
What aspect of organized Religion do you dislike the most?

The evil.

What about the good.

I wasn't asked about good, John.

True, I realised this after I posted.

My apologies.

No problems, John. As a matter of fact, I think religion does significant good much of the time, and I've posted about that before. However, from an atheistic perspective, i think that in a modern world, the good religion does is secular, and replaceable.

Of the nonsecular things religion does, most revolve around theology, and while I think the bulk of theology false, not all of it is evil.

However, the part that hurts, harms and destroys people, and undermines human benefit to gain greater authority, privilege and profit, is mostly done under what I consider to be the false aegis of theological authority, and I identify all of that as evil.

Where many religious people blame bad functionaries for such evil, I view it differently. Bad authorities turn up everywhere, but their power is contestable, and their deeds can be held accountable. Theological thought however, cements malignant power and renders it unaccountable, so it's abused everywhere simply because it's so readily abusable.

So I'm strongly opposed to theological claims intellectually, and theological thought morally. Which doesn't mean I'm opposed to religion or the religious.
Illegalcombatant
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7/26/2015 7:45:24 AM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 7/25/2015 11:30:11 PM, Mhykiel wrote:
At 7/25/2015 11:27:40 PM, UtherPenguin wrote:
What aspect of organized Religion do you dislike the most?

Any God that says how they are living might be wrong.

Well here is an example. People who when seeking to justify something claim that well it's God will/law what ever.

Funnily enough you will have a real hard time finding a God who will speak for it's self, what you will have no problem finding if your fellow human beings talking and telling you all sorts of things on it's behalf.

It's get tiresome listening to one person exalt their imaginary friend while condemning the other imaginary friend (false God) of others..........................
"Seems like another attempt to insert God into areas our knowledge has yet to penetrate. You figure God would be bigger than the gaps of our ignorance." Drafterman 19/5/12
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7/26/2015 9:16:48 AM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 7/25/2015 11:27:40 PM, UtherPenguin wrote:
What aspect of organized Religion do you dislike the most?

Scapegoating, however necessary it often is to any societal institution. It still leaves a bad taste in my mouth.
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"Woe that I live in bitter days,
As God is setting like a sun
And in his place, as lord and slave,
Man raises forth his heinous throne."
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ecco
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7/26/2015 10:54:19 AM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 7/25/2015 11:27:40 PM, UtherPenguin wrote:
What aspect of organized Religion do you dislike the most?

Equally-
a. The self-righteousness of many religious people - MY god is the only god - MY interpretation of holy scripture is the right one.

b. The delays in scientific advancement to the detriment of civilization.

c. The reliance on ancient beliefs as a guide to morality.
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DanneJeRusse
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7/26/2015 11:27:35 AM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 7/25/2015 11:27:40 PM, UtherPenguin wrote:
What aspect of organized Religion do you dislike the most?

Scriptures, and the damage it causes to the human mind.
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Otokage
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7/26/2015 12:35:29 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 7/25/2015 11:27:40 PM, UtherPenguin wrote:
What aspect of organized Religion do you dislike the most?

The fact that organized religion seeks to tell people how to behave, and by doing so, it judges everyone that is not willing to behave a particular way.