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Cris4W
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8/24/2010 4:21:07 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
just wondering i cant find Church that will teach us perfection

col.1:28
28We proclaim him, admonishing and teaching everyone with all wisdom, so that we may present everyone perfect in Christ.
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8/24/2010 4:24:03 PM
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At 8/24/2010 4:21:07 PM, Cris4W wrote:
just wondering i cant find Church that will teach us perfection

col.1:28
28We proclaim him, admonishing and teaching everyone with all wisdom, so that we may present everyone perfect in Christ.

http://bible.cc... :P
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8/24/2010 4:52:27 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 8/24/2010 4:21:07 PM, Cris4W wrote:
just wondering i cant find Church that will teach us perfection

col.1:28
28We proclaim him, admonishing and teaching everyone with all wisdom, so that we may present everyone perfect in Christ.

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Whenever the word "Church"in mentioned in the NT, it is taken from the Greek word "Ekklesia", Meaning "(God's) called out ones", it is NOT a religion. <((((><

Once a person becomes a member of the "body of Christ", they will know he is "the bread of life" and "our daily bread".

---------------------------------o O--^5 ---
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8/26/2010 11:28:11 AM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 8/24/2010 4:52:27 PM, the-good-teacher wrote:
At 8/24/2010 4:21:07 PM, Cris4W wrote:
just wondering i cant find Church that will teach us perfection

col.1:28
28We proclaim him, admonishing and teaching everyone with all wisdom, so that we may present everyone perfect in Christ.

-------------

Whenever the word "Church"in mentioned in the NT, it is taken from the Greek word "Ekklesia", Meaning "(God's) called out ones", it is NOT a religion. <((((><

Once a person becomes a member of the "body of Christ", they will know he is "the bread of life" and "our daily bread".

---------------------------------o O--^5 ---

yeah i agree on what youve said but where is it? i dont care about religion but you need to be in the church that can teach you the will of God the complete will of God tell me in your church does they teach you everything? ive been in dif kind of churches but i am not contented. why?
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8/26/2010 11:57:24 AM
Posted: 6 years ago
Sure there's a real church, the one and only real church: the Roman catholic Church.

Jesus pointed the first Pope Peter, and gave him "keys of the kingdom." Peter later became the first Bishop of Rome. Peter passed on his apostolic authority to the next Bishop of Rome, along with the other apostles who passed on their apostolic authority to the bishops that they ordained. Based upon the Roman Catholic unbroken chain of Roman bishops, they teach that the Roman Catholic Church is the true church, and that all churches that do not accept the primacy of the Pope have broken away from them, the original and one true church.
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8/26/2010 12:04:57 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 8/26/2010 11:57:24 AM, tBoonePickens wrote:
Sure there's a real church, the one and only real church: the Roman catholic Church.

Jesus pointed the first Pope Peter, and gave him "keys of the kingdom." Peter later became the first Bishop of Rome. Peter passed on his apostolic authority to the next Bishop of Rome, along with the other apostles who passed on their apostolic authority to the bishops that they ordained. Based upon the Roman Catholic unbroken chain of Roman bishops, they teach that the Roman Catholic Church is the true church, and that all churches that do not accept the primacy of the Pope have broken away from them, the original and one true church.

1 cor. 12:28
28And in the church God has appointed first of all apostles, second prophets, third teachers, then workers of miracles, also those having gifts of healing, those able to help others, those with gifts of administration, and those speaking in different kinds of tongues.


where is the "Pope" there man?? think about it! how can the roman catholic be the true church?? your saints and idol and tradition is not according to the bible how can i believe in your teachings?you can't even follow a simple "law" of God that he don't want "idols"
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8/26/2010 12:08:12 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 8/26/2010 12:04:57 PM, Cris4W wrote:
where is the "Pope" there man?? think about it! how can the roman catholic be the true church??
Read above again. I guess you missed it.

...your saints and idol and tradition is not according to the bible how can i believe in your teachings?
Don't know what Bible you are reading, but mine says otherwise.

...you can't even follow a simple "law" of God that he don't want "idols"
And who has idols? I have yet to see a "golden calf" in a Church, have you?
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8/26/2010 12:18:14 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 8/26/2010 12:08:12 PM, tBoonePickens wrote:
At 8/26/2010 12:04:57 PM, Cris4W wrote:
where is the "Pope" there man?? think about it! how can the roman catholic be the true church??
Read above again. I guess you missed it.

...your saints and idol and tradition is not according to the bible how can i believe in your teachings?
Don't know what Bible you are reading, but mine says otherwise.

...you can't even follow a simple "law" of God that he don't want "idols"
And who has idols? I have yet to see a "golden calf" in a Church, have you?

so pope is an apostle? is that what your saying?
they are both teaching about the bible.
so hmm let me ask you this is the Fork a Spoon?
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8/26/2010 12:20:25 PM
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...you can't even follow a simple "law" of God that he don't want "idols"
And who has idols? I have yet to see a "golden calf" in a Church, have you?

'You shall not make for yourself a carved image--any likeness of anything that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth.'
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8/26/2010 12:39:06 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 8/26/2010 12:18:14 PM, Cris4W wrote:
so pope is an apostle? is that what your saying?
I'm saying the first Pope was an apostle, Peter. The one given the keys to the kingdom.

they are both teaching about the bible.
Who's they?

so hmm let me ask you this is the Fork a Spoon?
Neither: the straight jacket for you! (WTF are you talking about?)

'You shall not make for yourself a carved image--any likeness of anything that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth.'
Meaning, we are not to worship idol gods. We don't. We worship YHWH.
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8/26/2010 12:46:27 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 8/26/2010 12:39:06 PM, tBoonePickens wrote:
'You shall not make for yourself a carved image--any likeness of anything that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth.'
Meaning, we are not to worship idol gods.

No, it clearly states "likeness of anything that is in heaven above" which I'm pretty sure God, Mary, and Jesus are up there, yet you have statues of Jesus and Mary.

We don't. We worship YHWH.

No one denied that. It doesn't say "don't worship idols," it say to not even carve graven images of things in heaven.
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8/26/2010 1:36:27 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 8/26/2010 12:46:27 PM, GeoLaureate8 wrote:
No, it clearly states "likeness of anything that is in heaven above" which I'm pretty sure God, Mary, and Jesus are up there, yet you have statues of Jesus and Mary.
Again, this is in reference to the worship of idols (golden calf, etc.)

We don't. We worship YHWH.
No one denied that.
Good. End of story.

It doesn't say "don't worship idols," it say to not even carve graven images of things in heaven.
Again, "graven images" = idol or fetish; to make a graven image for yourself meant to make an idol to worship & adore.

BTW, repeating yourself is not going to change the facts I posted above.
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8/26/2010 3:00:50 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 8/24/2010 4:21:07 PM, Cris4W wrote:
just wondering i cant find Church that will teach us perfection

col.1:28
28We proclaim him, admonishing and teaching everyone with all wisdom, so that we may present everyone perfect in Christ.

please clarify this for me so that I may better answer :)
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8/26/2010 8:30:21 PM
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Christ's church once again established on the earth is The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints. We are the only church that claims to be his church and act in his name, in addition we are the only church to claim modern day revelation and prophets still on the earth, furthermore we are the only Church than can trace our priesthood authority back to Christ himself.
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8/26/2010 8:49:06 PM
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At 8/26/2010 8:30:21 PM, Strikeeagle84015 wrote:
Christ's church once again established on the earth is The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints. We are the only church that claims to be his church and act in his name, in addition we are the only church to claim modern day revelation and prophets still on the earth, furthermore we are the only Church than can trace our priesthood authority back to Christ himself.

See, that's the problem with questions like this. Obviously everybody is going to say their sect is the correct one an has the real churches. Not that I'm picking on you or anything...
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8/26/2010 10:27:32 PM
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At 8/26/2010 8:30:21 PM, Strikeeagle84015 wrote:
furthermore we are the only Church than can trace our priesthood authority back to Christ himself.

lol... right through the Native Americans!

LOL
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8/26/2010 10:56:34 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 8/26/2010 8:49:06 PM, InsertNameHere wrote:
At 8/26/2010 8:30:21 PM, Strikeeagle84015 wrote:
Christ's church once again established on the earth is The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints. We are the only church that claims to be his church and act in his name, in addition we are the only church to claim modern day revelation and prophets still on the earth, furthermore we are the only Church than can trace our priesthood authority back to Christ himself.

See, that's the problem with questions like this.

It's a valid question, actually.

Obviously everybody is going to say their sect is the correct one an has the real churches.

And obviously everyone is going to say their beliefs are correct which is why it's ok for a sect to proclaim that theirs is true. And so far, they have demonstrated and gave supportive reasons why their sect is true.
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8/26/2010 11:02:59 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 8/26/2010 8:30:21 PM, Strikeeagle84015 wrote:
Christ's church once again established on the earth is The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints.
As if there was ever any interruption in Christ's Church to begin with. Silly revisionist bs.

We are the only church that claims to be his church and act in his name,...
Right, because the Catholics & Protestants claim they're the church of Ozzy Osborne.

...in addition we are the only church to claim modern day revelation and prophets still on the earth,
I guess the Branch Davidians were in ancient times.

...furthermore we are the only Church than can trace our priesthood authority back to Christ himself.
Yeah, maybe trace it in crayon! ROFL!
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8/27/2010 11:58:31 AM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 8/26/2010 12:46:27 PM, GeoLaureate8 wrote:
At 8/26/2010 12:39:06 PM, tBoonePickens wrote:
'You shall not make for yourself a carved image--any likeness of anything that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth.'
Meaning, we are not to worship idol gods.

No, it clearly states "likeness of anything that is in heaven above" which I'm pretty sure God, Mary, and Jesus are up there, yet you have statues of Jesus and Mary.

We don't. We worship YHWH.

No one denied that. It doesn't say "don't worship idols," it say to not even carve graven images of things in heaven.

yep your right good answer i was gonna say that too :D thanks for supporting
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8/27/2010 12:09:22 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
so hmm let me ask you this is the Fork a Spoon?
Neither: the straight jacket for you! (WTF are you talking about?)

apostle and pope is different
True apostle will teach every one in all wisdom of Christ like what ive said in 1 col 1:28 that is apostle paul talking he said "We"(the Apostles) praoclaim everyone teaching them in all wisdom so we can present everyone perfect in "Christ"

*did the pope teach you how to Preach? no! because they're over there head that they claim to be holy which is total BS even though they are not.
God said no one is "righteous"
God said mark 16:15 He said to them, "Go into all the world and preach the good news to all creation <-- did your pope taught you this? uhmm i doubt it man
and is it right for the priest to go drink alcohol and go out for cigar? then go in the Front teaching people how to discipline themselves.
God said Live in "Holiness"
thats my statement hope you'll understand that all the sect and religion you are in is right. widen your mind and study other religion that teaches there "own Christ" not the the true Christ that is taught by the past apostles
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8/27/2010 12:14:06 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 8/26/2010 8:30:21 PM, Strikeeagle84015 wrote:
Christ's church once again established on the earth is The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints. We are the only church that claims to be his church and act in his name, in addition we are the only church to claim modern day revelation and prophets still on the earth, furthermore we are the only Church than can trace our priesthood authority back to Christ himself.

theres no More prophet after John the baptist
Proof Luke 16:16
"The Law and the Prophets were proclaimed until John. Since that time, the good news of the kingdom of God is being preached, and everyone is forcing his way into it.

the law of the prophets were "proclaimed"
means its Done are you gonna contradict the bible? thats why when Jesus Christ and up to now he is sending "Apostle" its very clear have you red your bible? you should you need it
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8/27/2010 1:24:30 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 8/27/2010 11:58:31 AM, Cris4W wrote:
At 8/26/2010 12:46:27 PM, GeoLaureate8 wrote:
No one denied that. It doesn't say "don't worship idols," it say to not even carve graven images of things in heaven.

yep your right good answer i was gonna say that too :D thanks for supporting
Read below. Funny how you conveniently missed this post.

At 8/26/2010 1:36:27 PM, tBoonePickens wrote:
Again, "graven images" = idol or fetish; to make a graven image for yourself meant to make an idol to worship & adore.

BTW, repeating yourself is not going to change the facts I posted above.

At 8/27/2010 12:09:22 PM, Cris4W wrote:
apostle and pope is different
The words are, but the terms are not mutually exclusive. Are these words too big for you? OK, I'll explain in dumb dumb terms:
Woman is a different word than police, but we can have police women!

*did the pope teach you how to Preach? no! because they're over there head that they claim to be holy which is total BS even though they are not.
He doesn't have to.

God said no one is "righteous"
And?

God said mark 16:15 He said to them, "Go into all the world and preach the good news to all creation <-- did your pope taught you this? uhmm i doubt it man
Not the current one, but the previous one did. To me and many others.

and is it right for the priest to go drink alcohol and go out for cigar?
Sure, since I guess no one is "righteous."

...then go in the Front teaching people how to discipline themselves.
So, by that rationale, no one can advise anyone on discipline...so that would make one wonder why you are doing JUST that to me in this forum? Hypocrite.

God said Live in "Holiness"
And?

thats my statement hope you'll understand that all the sect and religion you are in is right.
First, there were various statements. Second, some were refuted, the others were pointless or unexplained. Thirdly, the sect, is yours: you left my church, I din't leave yours.

...widen your mind and study other religion that teaches there "own Christ" not the the true Christ that is taught by the past apostles
Firstly, I have studied and study many religions, Protestantism included. Secondly, I do not subscribe to a subjective interpretation of the Bible, only the Church's interpretation, as has been handed down to them by the apostles.
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8/27/2010 1:30:18 PM
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At 8/27/2010 1:24:30 PM, tBoonePickens wrote:

Firstly, I have studied and study many religions, Protestantism included. Secondly, I do not subscribe to a subjective interpretation of the Bible, only the Church's interpretation, as has been handed down to them by the apostles.

I admit, I'm largely guilty of that, following my own subjective interpretation of scriptures. That is all.

*Walks out*
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8/27/2010 1:33:05 PM
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At 8/27/2010 1:30:18 PM, InsertNameHere wrote:
At 8/27/2010 1:24:30 PM, tBoonePickens wrote:

Firstly, I have studied and study many religions, Protestantism included. Secondly, I do not subscribe to a subjective interpretation of the Bible, only the Church's interpretation, as has been handed down to them by the apostles.

I admit, I'm largely guilty of that, following my own subjective interpretation of scriptures. That is all.

*Walks out*

yeah... if I believed in god.. I'd want to decide what he does and doesn't do too.
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8/27/2010 1:38:51 PM
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At 8/27/2010 1:24:30 PM, tBoonePickens wrote:

Firstly, I have studied and study many religions, Protestantism included. Secondly, I do not subscribe to a subjective interpretation of the Bible, only the Church's interpretation, as has been handed down to them by the apostles.

I don't think that the Catholic church's (read:fathers/popes) interpretations of the text has been as uniform as you imply...
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8/27/2010 1:43:31 PM
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At 8/27/2010 1:38:51 PM, popculturepooka wrote:
At 8/27/2010 1:24:30 PM, tBoonePickens wrote:

Firstly, I have studied and study many religions, Protestantism included. Secondly, I do not subscribe to a subjective interpretation of the Bible, only the Church's interpretation, as has been handed down to them by the apostles.

I don't think that the Catholic church's (read:fathers/popes) interpretations of the text has been as uniform as you imply...
What do you mean?
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8/27/2010 3:04:40 PM
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At 8/24/2010 4:52:27 PM, the-good-teacher wrote:
At 8/24/2010 4:21:07 PM, Cris4W wrote:
just wondering i cant find Church that will teach us perfection

col.1:28
28We proclaim him, admonishing and teaching everyone with all wisdom, so that we may present everyone perfect in Christ.

-------------

Whenever the word "Church"in mentioned in the NT, it is taken from the Greek word "Ekklesia", Meaning "(God's) called out ones", it is NOT a religion. <((((><

Once a person becomes a member of the "body of Christ", they will know he is "the bread of life" and "our daily bread".

---------------------------------o O--^5 ---

I was just talking to a certain haughty and ignorant individual about this in another thread. :)
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8/27/2010 3:23:09 PM
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At 8/27/2010 1:38:51 PM, popculturepooka wrote:
At 8/27/2010 1:24:30 PM, tBoonePickens wrote:

Firstly, I have studied and study many religions, Protestantism included. Secondly, I do not subscribe to a subjective interpretation of the Bible, only the Church's interpretation, as has been handed down to them by the apostles.

I don't think that the Catholic church's (read:fathers/popes) interpretations of the text has been as uniform as you imply...

I don't think I implied uniformity so much as unbroken succession.
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