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talmud
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7/30/2015 5:38:47 PM
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At 7/30/2015 5:09:37 PM, triangle.128k wrote:
Atheists and theists, are the bible's teachings peaceful or violent? Can you prove your stance using bible quotes? : :

The Bible can't teach anything because it doesn't know whether you're a liar or not. Liars read the Bible and come up with their own interpretations.
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7/30/2015 5:54:51 PM
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At 7/30/2015 5:09:37 PM, triangle.128k wrote:
Atheists and theists, are the bible's teachings peaceful or violent? Can you prove your stance using bible quotes?
They are peaceful. Jesus never said to do anything violent and his teachings are the teachings Christians follow. The Old Testament is often referred to as being violent, but the laws of the OT are not in practice because Jesus set the new standards.
"The afternoon came down as imperceptibly as age comes to a happy man. A little gold entered into the sunlight. The bay became bluer and dimpled with shore-wind ripples. Those lonely fishermen who believe that the fish bite at high tide left their rocks, and their places were taken by others, who were convinced that the fish bite at low tide." (John Steinbeck; Tortilla Flat, 1935)
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7/30/2015 6:07:37 PM
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At 7/30/2015 5:54:51 PM, tstor wrote:
At 7/30/2015 5:09:37 PM, triangle.128k wrote:
Atheists and theists, are the bible's teachings peaceful or violent? Can you prove your stance using bible quotes?
They are peaceful. Jesus never said to do anything violent and his teachings are the teachings Christians follow. The Old Testament is often referred to as being violent, but the laws of the OT are not in practice because Jesus set the new standards.

But if the old testament is violent, why do Jews have a high IQ on average?
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7/30/2015 6:12:24 PM
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""You shall love the Lord your God with all your heart, with all your soul, and with all your mind." This is the first and great commandment. And the second is like it: "You shall love your neighbor as yourself." On these two commandments hang all the Law and the Prophets."
"There are trivial truths and the great truths. The opposite of a trivial truth is plainly false. The opposite of a great truth is also true." ~ Niels Bohr

"All truth passes through three stages. First, it is ridiculed. Second, it is violently opposed. Third, it is accepted as being self-evident." ~ Arthur Schopenhauer
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7/30/2015 6:28:57 PM
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At 7/30/2015 6:07:37 PM, triangle.128k wrote:

But if the old testament is violent, why do Jews have a high IQ on average?
I fail to see the correlation between the two. Violent people can be intelligent.
"The afternoon came down as imperceptibly as age comes to a happy man. A little gold entered into the sunlight. The bay became bluer and dimpled with shore-wind ripples. Those lonely fishermen who believe that the fish bite at high tide left their rocks, and their places were taken by others, who were convinced that the fish bite at low tide." (John Steinbeck; Tortilla Flat, 1935)
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7/30/2015 6:36:36 PM
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At 7/30/2015 6:12:24 PM, UniversalTheologian wrote:
""You shall love the Lord your God with all your heart, with all your soul, and with all your mind." This is the first and great commandment. And the second is like it: "You shall love your neighbor as yourself." On these two commandments hang all the Law and the Prophets."

What do you have left to love your neighbour with?
Religion is just mind control. George Carlin
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7/30/2015 6:55:50 PM
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At 7/30/2015 5:09:37 PM, triangle.128k wrote:
Atheists and theists, are the bible's teachings peaceful or violent? Can you prove your stance using bible quotes?

The Bible is BOTH, my friend. The Bible is one big messy library of conflicting ideas. Some of them true. Some of them Allegory. Some stories are meant to scare you into obeying Yahweh. Some are so beautiful they make you love Jesus and realize what a Great Word it would be if we all could follow His Teachings.
There's no doubt to anybody with half a brain that the Yahweh of the Torah--the Jewish Bible, is not a very likeably God. He's violent and capricious. Jealous. What a freakin' temper! LOL. But please know that He has been very very anthropomorphized. By those early Hebrew writers. That is a college boy way of saying that God was molded and tweaked to have human qualities that those old Hebrews sure would have liked their God to have so He could help them kick some asss on all those other Middle Eastern rag-heads who were messin' with 'em all the time.
So don't confuse Yahweh with your True Creator God. I can tell you there are very few similarities between the two.
the Bible stories are supposed to make you think and ask yourself questions and try to fill in the gaps. Ever notice how many gaps are in the stories? that just BEG to be thought and talked about? Yep, thats the idea. The way the Jews wrote it. That's why they have a whole nother book of commentary on the Torah. The Talmud. Many biblical literalists around here miss this whole fact. They try to say the Bible is some sort of inerrant Word of God or history or science book. NOT. It's a collection of old writings from over 1200 years! Probably three-dozen writers! Edited and translated several times. No original scrolls exist. Know that. Not from our Bible. (They did find some Dead Sea Scrolls about 70 years ago.)

SO yeah what a difference! Reading Joshua and all about he and his boys slaughtering Canaanites with the help of a whore and Yahweh, and then flipping a few pages and going to the Gospel of John and reading about how "God so loved the world that He gave his only begotten Son......" Or reading some of those wonderful Psalms or Proverbs. Or the Book of James which is l;like the Proverbs of the NT.
you can find anything you want in the Bible. Violence and carnage and mayhem to love and peace and poetry. Its supposed to be like that, to cover all the spectrum of Man's thoughts and emotions and desires. And what God wants for us. And Jesus tells us how to live our lives after we read all that stuff.
Last: as you can probably tell I'm a pretty liberal Christian and liberal on how I think of the Bible. If you read any books on the bible and its origin written by REAL bible Scholars..and NOT just some church priest or minister writing a book you'll notice that very very few--I cant think of ONE!--will say the Bible is the literal word of God. Or even that the stories are totally factual.
Read the bible like you would of God tossed it to you and said, "This is how some guys used to think about me. There's some truth in there and some fables. Think about them and ask yourself which is true. And which God is the real me. And then pray to me for the answer. I'll get back to you!"

Thanks!! God Bless.
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7/30/2015 6:56:45 PM
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At 7/30/2015 6:36:36 PM, bulproof wrote:
At 7/30/2015 6:12:24 PM, UniversalTheologian wrote:
""You shall love the Lord your God with all your heart, with all your soul, and with all your mind." This is the first and great commandment. And the second is like it: "You shall love your neighbor as yourself." On these two commandments hang all the Law and the Prophets."

What do you have left to love your neighbour with?

The second commandment is actually intrinsic to the first. This is not readily apparent to most people, so it is important to call attention to it.

If you love God with all your heart, soul, and mind, you will love the self. The self is created in the image of God, and your experience is part of that image.
"There are trivial truths and the great truths. The opposite of a trivial truth is plainly false. The opposite of a great truth is also true." ~ Niels Bohr

"All truth passes through three stages. First, it is ridiculed. Second, it is violently opposed. Third, it is accepted as being self-evident." ~ Arthur Schopenhauer
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7/30/2015 7:15:34 PM
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At 7/30/2015 5:54:51 PM, tstor wrote:
At 7/30/2015 5:09:37 PM, triangle.128k wrote:
Atheists and theists, are the bible's teachings peaceful or violent? Can you prove your stance using bible quotes?
They are peaceful. Jesus never said to do anything violent and his teachings are the teachings Christians follow. The Old Testament is often referred to as being violent, but the laws of the OT are not in practice because Jesus set the new standards. : :'

So why do Christians keep teaching their children to fear the things of this world. Do you know how many people have been deceived by Christians who have no clue who God is or what His plans are for His people?
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7/30/2015 7:18:34 PM
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At 7/30/2015 7:15:34 PM, talmud wrote:

So why do Christians keep teaching their children to fear the things of this world. Do you know how many people have been deceived by Christians who have no clue who God is or what His plans are for His people?
I would not say that is violent. However, I do agree that a lot of Christians are lied to.
"The afternoon came down as imperceptibly as age comes to a happy man. A little gold entered into the sunlight. The bay became bluer and dimpled with shore-wind ripples. Those lonely fishermen who believe that the fish bite at high tide left their rocks, and their places were taken by others, who were convinced that the fish bite at low tide." (John Steinbeck; Tortilla Flat, 1935)
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7/30/2015 7:23:26 PM
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At 7/30/2015 7:18:34 PM, tstor wrote:
At 7/30/2015 7:15:34 PM, talmud wrote:

So why do Christians keep teaching their children to fear the things of this world. Do you know how many people have been deceived by Christians who have no clue who God is or what His plans are for His people?
I would not say that is violent. However, I do agree that a lot of Christians are lied to. : :

All Christians were lied to by their flesh, which is the body that can be observed and all the experiences that the body endured in this world. This world will be destroyed when the flesh is killed off according to God's eternal plan. Then the spirit that all God's people were born in will get new flesh in Paradise and live peacefully in every experience they endure for eternity. We will never experience death of the flesh like we all have to go through in this age.

However, I have met a few believers who call themselves Christians. They are set aside from the rest of the heathens who call themselves Christians, Jews or Muslims.

Most believers I've met have never read the Bible or participated in religious practices or believed their religious dogma.
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7/30/2015 8:02:58 PM
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At 7/30/2015 6:07:37 PM, triangle.128k wrote:
At 7/30/2015 5:54:51 PM, tstor wrote:
At 7/30/2015 5:09:37 PM, triangle.128k wrote:
Atheists and theists, are the bible's teachings peaceful or violent? Can you prove your stance using bible quotes?
They are peaceful. Jesus never said to do anything violent and his teachings are the teachings Christians follow. The Old Testament is often referred to as being violent, but the laws of the OT are not in practice because Jesus set the new standards.

But if the old testament is violent, why do Jews have a high IQ on average?

Only the smart ones survived and all the dumb ones got killed. It is called natural selection or social Darwinism.
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7/30/2015 10:03:00 PM
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At 7/30/2015 7:18:34 PM, tstor wrote:
At 7/30/2015 7:15:34 PM, talmud wrote:

So why do Christians keep teaching their children to fear the things of this world. Do you know how many people have been deceived by Christians who have no clue who God is or what His plans are for His people?
I would not say that is violent. However, I do agree that a lot of Christians are lied to.

How so?
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7/30/2015 10:06:56 PM
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At 7/30/2015 5:09:37 PM, triangle.128k wrote:
Atheists and theists, are the bible's teachings peaceful or violent? Can you prove your stance using bible quotes?

Yes (both), and yes.
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7/30/2015 10:09:29 PM
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At 7/30/2015 10:03:00 PM, triangle.128k wrote:

How so?
What? How is it not violent or how are Christians lied to?
"The afternoon came down as imperceptibly as age comes to a happy man. A little gold entered into the sunlight. The bay became bluer and dimpled with shore-wind ripples. Those lonely fishermen who believe that the fish bite at high tide left their rocks, and their places were taken by others, who were convinced that the fish bite at low tide." (John Steinbeck; Tortilla Flat, 1935)
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7/30/2015 10:11:12 PM
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At 7/30/2015 10:09:29 PM, tstor wrote:
At 7/30/2015 10:03:00 PM, triangle.128k wrote:

How so?
What? How is it not violent or how are Christians lied to?

The being lied to part.
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7/30/2015 10:12:41 PM
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At 7/30/2015 10:11:12 PM, triangle.128k wrote:

The being lied to part.
Christians are lied to about the trinity, hellfire, immortal soul, Christmas, Easter, etc. These things are all unscriptural and have been traced to paganism.
"The afternoon came down as imperceptibly as age comes to a happy man. A little gold entered into the sunlight. The bay became bluer and dimpled with shore-wind ripples. Those lonely fishermen who believe that the fish bite at high tide left their rocks, and their places were taken by others, who were convinced that the fish bite at low tide." (John Steinbeck; Tortilla Flat, 1935)
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7/30/2015 10:16:50 PM
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At 7/30/2015 10:12:41 PM, tstor wrote:
At 7/30/2015 10:11:12 PM, triangle.128k wrote:

The being lied to part.
Christians are lied to about the trinity, hellfire, immortal soul, Christmas, Easter, etc. These things are all unscriptural and have been traced to paganism.

So what about the hellfire are they being lied to? Is hell not a place where you literally burn forever?
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7/30/2015 10:40:23 PM
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At 7/30/2015 10:16:50 PM, triangle.128k wrote:

So what about the hellfire are they being lied to? Is hell not a place where you literally burn forever?
That would be correct. Does it really sound like a just, righteous, and loving God would have such a place?
"The afternoon came down as imperceptibly as age comes to a happy man. A little gold entered into the sunlight. The bay became bluer and dimpled with shore-wind ripples. Those lonely fishermen who believe that the fish bite at high tide left their rocks, and their places were taken by others, who were convinced that the fish bite at low tide." (John Steinbeck; Tortilla Flat, 1935)
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7/30/2015 11:17:58 PM
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At 7/30/2015 5:38:47 PM, talmud wrote:
At 7/30/2015 5:09:37 PM, triangle.128k wrote:
Atheists and theists, are the bible's teachings peaceful or violent? Can you prove your stance using bible quotes? : :

The Bible can't teach anything because it doesn't know whether you're a liar or not. Liars read the Bible and come up with their own interpretations.

Even a teacher in a classroom does not know which students are liars and which are not, nor can they know if the students are learning or not.
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7/31/2015 3:50:39 AM
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At 7/30/2015 11:17:58 PM, Harikrish wrote:
At 7/30/2015 5:38:47 PM, talmud wrote:
At 7/30/2015 5:09:37 PM, triangle.128k wrote:
Atheists and theists, are the bible's teachings peaceful or violent? Can you prove your stance using bible quotes? : :

The Bible can't teach anything because it doesn't know whether you're a liar or not. Liars read the Bible and come up with their own interpretations.

Even a teacher in a classroom does not know which students are liars and which are not, nor can they know if the students are learning or not. : :

As I witness of the Teacher teaching His students ( believers ), I can easily SEE which student understands it or not. You don't understand anything the Teacher has spoken to you. That means you're not one of His students.
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7/31/2015 4:29:05 AM
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At 7/30/2015 6:56:45 PM, UniversalTheologian wrote:
At 7/30/2015 6:36:36 PM, bulproof wrote:
At 7/30/2015 6:12:24 PM, UniversalTheologian wrote:
""You shall love the Lord your God with all your heart, with all your soul, and with all your mind." This is the first and great commandment. And the second is like it: "You shall love your neighbor as yourself." On these two commandments hang all the Law and the Prophets."

What do you have left to love your neighbour with?

The second commandment is actually intrinsic to the first. This is not readily apparent to most people, so it is important to call attention to it.

If you love God with all your heart, soul, and mind, you will love the self. The self is created in the image of God, and your experience is part of that image.

Do you have an answer to my question, or is it just the bible babble that you've been taught?
Religion is just mind control. George Carlin
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7/31/2015 5:20:35 AM
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At 7/30/2015 5:09:37 PM, triangle.128k wrote:
Atheists and theists, are the bible's teachings peaceful or violent? Can you prove your stance using bible quotes?

talmud got it right, even though I don't like how he worded it

"The Bible can't teach anything because it doesn't know whether you're a liar or not. Liars read the Bible and come up with their own interpretations."

You'd have to ask the guys who wrote it, and the guys who wrote it got their ideas from God (like talmud did). Otherwise, it's just interpretations from a book that doesn't mean anything, except whatever meaning is taken from said interpretations.

You could ask God Himself since it's "His word" but he's shown that He's pretty particular about who He speaks to. No quotes.
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7/31/2015 5:43:16 AM
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At 7/30/2015 5:38:47 PM, talmud wrote:
At 7/30/2015 5:09:37 PM, triangle.128k wrote:
Atheists and theists, are the bible's teachings peaceful or violent? Can you prove your stance using bible quotes? : :

The Bible can't teach anything because it doesn't know whether you're a liar or not. Liars read the Bible and come up with their own interpretations.

Like yourself!
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7/31/2015 3:41:39 PM
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At 7/31/2015 3:50:39 AM, clickclock wrote:
At 7/30/2015 11:17:58 PM, Harikrish wrote:
At 7/30/2015 5:38:47 PM, talmud wrote:
At 7/30/2015 5:09:37 PM, triangle.128k wrote:
Atheists and theists, are the bible's teachings peaceful or violent? Can you prove your stance using bible quotes? : :

The Bible can't teach anything because it doesn't know whether you're a liar or not. Liars read the Bible and come up with their own interpretations.

Even a teacher in a classroom does not know which students are liars and which are not, nor can they know if the students are learning or not. : :

As I witness of the Teacher teaching His students ( believers ), I can easily SEE which student understands it or not. You don't understand anything the Teacher has spoken to you. That means you're not one of His students.

You were a failure as a student. In your own words:

Brad wrote:" My memory wasn't any good from drinking at such a young age that I couldn't remember one verse in the Bible the whole time I was a Christian. So I wasn't cut out to be a preacher or pastor. "

Brad wrote:"My English skills in writing and speaking are about the fourth grade level, although I was a terrific speller back then. I've gotten bad at that, also, and now I look up words on Google for spelling purposes. "

Did your teachers know you would also end up a big liar?

Brad wrote:"The flesh called bornofgod in this forum is the liar that God has to keep under control by humbling him. bornofgod is Brad Holkesvig in the flesh that God is using to reveal Himself and His knowledge. Brad Holkesvig is the flesh that is going to be killed according to God's plan. Brad Holkesvig is nothing but an illusion and a liar. I could care less about Brad Holkesvig and his life here in this world which will be destroyed by Me, very soon. "

Did your teacher know you would end up a homeless beggar?

You wrote:"I was sleeping in a park until the police made me leave. Now I'm sleeping next to a church building where the police can't find me.
I have a nice warm sleeping bag so I sleep comfortably in this kind of weather. "