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8/1/2015 2:00:08 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
According to biographer Walter Isaacson, Einstein was more inclined to denigrate atheists than religious people. Einstein said in correspondence, "The fanatical atheists...are like slaves who are still feeling the weight of their chains which they have thrown off after hard struggle. They are creatures who"in their grudge against the traditional 'opium of the people'"cannot hear the music of the spheres."
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8/1/2015 6:40:44 PM
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At 8/1/2015 2:00:08 PM, Sooner wrote:
According to biographer Walter Isaacson, Einstein was more inclined to denigrate atheists than religious people. Einstein said in correspondence, "The fanatical atheists...are like slaves who are still feeling the weight of their chains which they have thrown off after hard struggle. They are creatures who"in their grudge against the traditional 'opium of the people'"cannot hear the music of the spheres."

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8/1/2015 6:52:55 PM
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I'm not in the debate portion of this site. I've told you who spoke, who interviewed. If you're too lazy to type two names and a keyword in, that's your issue. I see no list of debate.org laws or debate.org law enforcement. Debates require sources. I'm in no debate. If you aten't familiar with a term, concept, or interview, google magic my friend. If my posts aren't to your liking, you're a big boy. You know how to not click a thread. You know how to ignore. You also know how to use Google. If the things I post are fun for you, you should enjoy doing a little homework, so research until your heart is content.
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8/1/2015 7:15:41 PM
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At 8/1/2015 6:52:55 PM, Sooner wrote:
I'm not in the debate portion of this site. I've told you who spoke, who interviewed. If you're too lazy to type two names and a keyword in, that's your issue. I see no list of debate.org laws or debate.org law enforcement. Debates require sources. I'm in no debate. If you aten't familiar with a term, concept, or interview, google magic my friend. If my posts aren't to your liking, you're a big boy. You know how to not click a thread. You know how to ignore. You also know how to use Google. If the things I post are fun for you, you should enjoy doing a little homework, so research until your heart is content.

So, the OP is just spam?
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8/1/2015 7:30:20 PM
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I don't know if your statement is correct or not.

But ...

https://en.wikipedia.org...

In his Autobiographical Notes, Einstein wrote that he had gradually lost his faith early in childhood:
. . . I came"though the child of entirely irreligious (Jewish) parents"to a deep religiousness, which, however, reached an abrupt end at the age of twelve. Through the reading of popular scientific books I soon reached the conviction that much in the stories of the Bible could not be true. The consequence was a positively fanatic orgy of freethinking coupled with the impression that youth is intentionally being deceived by the state through lies;


So, what exactly is your point?
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8/1/2015 7:32:14 PM
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At 8/1/2015 6:52:55 PM, Sooner wrote:
I'm not in the debate portion of this site. I've told you who spoke, who interviewed. If you're too lazy to type two names and a keyword in, that's your issue. I see no list of debate.org laws or debate.org law enforcement. Debates require sources. I'm in no debate. If you aten't familiar with a term, concept, or interview, google magic my friend. If my posts aren't to your liking, you're a big boy. You know how to not click a thread. You know how to ignore. You also know how to use Google. If the things I post are fun for you, you should enjoy doing a little homework, so research until your heart is content.

No one will force you to cite that, but it is common knowledge to provide citation for quotes. That way others can more easily research the topic and discuss it with you.
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8/2/2015 4:02:07 AM
Posted: 1 year ago
It may be true that he said this, but he also said other things about religion. Einstein's true beliefs about religion are hard to pin down. He never claimed to be Christian, nor did he claim that there was a God. Some Christians have tried to take his quotes out of context.
If he did believe in a God he was probably more a Deist than anything. Einstein tried to stay away from religion. He focused on his scientific work. Most of his fellow scientists were agnostic, bordering on atheism. Some of them were probably Deists. It is true that some of them were religious.
Einstein was smart when it came to physics, but he was also smart enough to stay away from religious debates. If what you say is true, it might have been a result of fanatical atheists trying to pin him down on his beliefs, which he didn't want to debate about.
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8/2/2015 9:43:41 AM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 8/1/2015 7:32:14 PM, joetheripper117 wrote:
At 8/1/2015 6:52:55 PM, Sooner wrote:
I'm not in the debate portion of this site. I've told you who spoke, who interviewed. If you're too lazy to type two names and a keyword in, that's your issue. I see no list of debate.org laws or debate.org law enforcement. Debates require sources. I'm in no debate. If you aten't familiar with a term, concept, or interview, google magic my friend. If my posts aren't to your liking, you're a big boy. You know how to not click a thread. You know how to ignore. You also know how to use Google. If the things I post are fun for you, you should enjoy doing a little homework, so research until your heart is content.

No one will force you to cite that, but it is common knowledge to provide citation for quotes. That way others can more easily research the topic and discuss it with you.

^^This^^
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8/2/2015 1:52:55 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 8/2/2015 4:02:07 AM, j50wells wrote:
It may be true that he said this, but he also said other things about religion. Einstein's true beliefs about religion are hard to pin down. He never claimed to be Christian, nor did he claim that there was a God. Some Christians have tried to take his quotes out of context.
If he did believe in a God he was probably more a Deist than anything. Einstein tried to stay away from religion. He focused on his scientific work. Most of his fellow scientists were agnostic, bordering on atheism. Some of them were probably Deists. It is true that some of them were religious.
Einstein was smart when it came to physics, but he was also smart enough to stay away from religious debates. If what you say is true, it might have been a result of fanatical atheists trying to pin him down on his beliefs, which he didn't want to debate about.

I had always thought that he was a pantheist.
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8/2/2015 2:49:36 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
I wonder if Isaacson is right to say 'Einstein was more inclined to denigrate atheists than religious people' as the OP says (quoting I think Wikepedia). Only one anti-atheist quote is given but it seems there many more anti-theist ones. And that one quote is clearly a moan about certain 'fanatical' ex-theist atheists, not atheists in general and certainly not a criticism of atheism per se.

It seems there must have been 'fanatical atheists' around even in those days. I wonder who they were.