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8/10/2015 11:21:56 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
Monotheism: the doctrine or belief that there is only one God.

What the Bible teaches...

A: Genesis 1:26 "And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness:"(1)

Notice that it does not say and I God will make man in my image, and after my likeness.

B: Exodus 20:3 "Thou shalt have no other gods before me."(2)

Notice that it does not read I am the only God and worship me.

C: John 10:34 "3 Jesus answered them, Is it not written in your law, I said, Ye are gods?"(3)

There you have it out of the mouth of Jesus Christ himself saying gods, as in plural.

This leads to the conclusion that despite "Christians" believing in monotheism. The Bible teaches the idea of Henotheism.

Henotheism: "the worship of a particular god, as by a family or tribe, without disbelieving in the existence of others."(4)

D: Consider the words of Paul in 1 Corinthians chapter 8 verses 4-6

"4 As concerning therefore the eating of those things that are offered in sacrifice unto idols, we know that an idol is nothing in the world, and that there is none other God but one.

5 For though there be that are called gods, whether in heaven or in earth, (as there be gods many, and lords many,)

6 But to us there is but one God, the Father, of whom are all things, and we in him; and one Lord Jesus Christ, by whom are all things, and we by him."

Paul here eludes that there may exists other "Gods" however that for "us" (Christians) there is one God. Christians believe in what is called the "true" God. This does imply that there are no other Gods, just that there is a "true" God or in other words the God you should follow.

E: Jeremiah 10:10 "But the Lord is the true God, he is the living God, and an everlasting king"(5)

The Bible teaches that followers of Christ can become Gods. Consider the following Scriptures.

F: Philippians 2:5-6 "Let this mind be in you, which was also in Christ Jesus Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God."(6)

Paul even talks about becoming a God Through Christ

G:Philippians 3:14 "I press toward the mark for the prize of the high calling of God in Christ Jesus."(7)

He teaches that we are Children and heirs of God

H: Romans 8:16-17 "16 The Spirit itself beareth witness with our spirit, that we are the children of God:
17 And if children, then heirs; heirs of God, and joint-heirs with Christ; if so be that we suffer with him, that we may be also glorified together."(8)

Conclusion of what the Bible teaches


A,H: "Let Us make man in Our image." We are the children of God""

B,D,E: "No other Gods before me" "as there be gods many, and lords many," "the Lord is the true God"

C,F,G,H: "ye are gods" "thought it not robbery to be equal with God" "high calling of God" "Joint heirs with Christ"

If the Bible teaches that we are children of God, can become like God, are warned not to worship other Gods then the Bible does not teach monotheism.

Sources
(1) https://www.lds.org...
(2) https://www.lds.org...
(3) https://www.lds.org...
(4) http://dictionary.reference.com...
(5) https://www.lds.org...
(6) https://www.lds.org...
(7) https://www.lds.org...
(8) https://www.lds.org...
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8/10/2015 11:28:48 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 8/10/2015 11:21:56 PM, kasmic wrote:
Monotheism: the doctrine or belief that there is only one God.

What the Bible teaches...

A: Genesis 1:26 "And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness:"(1)

Notice that it does not say and I God will make man in my image, and after my likeness.

B: Exodus 20:3 "Thou shalt have no other gods before me."(2)

Notice that it does not read I am the only God and worship me.

C: John 10:34 "3 Jesus answered them, Is it not written in your law, I said, Ye are gods?"(3)

There you have it out of the mouth of Jesus Christ himself saying gods, as in plural.

This leads to the conclusion that despite "Christians" believing in monotheism. The Bible teaches the idea of Henotheism.

Henotheism: "the worship of a particular god, as by a family or tribe, without disbelieving in the existence of others."(4)

D: Consider the words of Paul in 1 Corinthians chapter 8 verses 4-6

"4 As concerning therefore the eating of those things that are offered in sacrifice unto idols, we know that an idol is nothing in the world, and that there is none other God but one.

5 For though there be that are called gods, whether in heaven or in earth, (as there be gods many, and lords many,)

6 But to us there is but one God, the Father, of whom are all things, and we in him; and one Lord Jesus Christ, by whom are all things, and we by him."

Paul here eludes that there may exists other "Gods" however that for "us" (Christians) there is one God. Christians believe in what is called the "true" God. This does imply that there are no other Gods, just that there is a "true" God or in other words the God you should follow.

E: Jeremiah 10:10 "But the Lord is the true God, he is the living God, and an everlasting king"(5)

The Bible teaches that followers of Christ can become Gods. Consider the following Scriptures.

F: Philippians 2:5-6 "Let this mind be in you, which was also in Christ Jesus Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God."(6)

Paul even talks about becoming a God Through Christ

G:Philippians 3:14 "I press toward the mark for the prize of the high calling of God in Christ Jesus."(7)

He teaches that we are Children and heirs of God

H: Romans 8:16-17 "16 The Spirit itself beareth witness with our spirit, that we are the children of God:
17 And if children, then heirs; heirs of God, and joint-heirs with Christ; if so be that we suffer with him, that we may be also glorified together."(8)

Conclusion of what the Bible teaches


A,H: "Let Us make man in Our image." We are the children of God""

B,D,E: "No other Gods before me" "as there be gods many, and lords many," "the Lord is the true God"

C,F,G,H: "ye are gods" "thought it not robbery to be equal with God" "high calling of God" "Joint heirs with Christ"

If the Bible teaches that we are children of God, can become like God, are warned not to worship other Gods then the Bible does not teach monotheism.

Sources
(1) https://www.lds.org...
(2) https://www.lds.org...
(3) https://www.lds.org...
(4) http://dictionary.reference.com...
(5) https://www.lds.org...
(6) https://www.lds.org...
(7) https://www.lds.org...
(8) https://www.lds.org...

Well it teaches that there is only One True God, one supreme God over all, only one deserving of teh upper case "G", though it does use the word god in a much wider context, but only with the lower case "g".

Whilst it points out that "worship" in it's original meaning of "respect" can be given to any who deserve it, it insists on reserving the major amount of worship, respect, for the one who deserves it most. Jehovah.

That to me is monotheistic, you however are welcome to your own opinion.
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8/10/2015 11:33:59 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 8/10/2015 11:21:56 PM, kasmic wrote:
Monotheism: the doctrine or belief that there is only one God.

What the Bible teaches...

A: Genesis 1:26 "And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness:"(1)

Notice that it does not say and I God will make man in my image, and after my likeness.

B: Exodus 20:3 "Thou shalt have no other gods before me."(2)

Notice that it does not read I am the only God and worship me.

C: John 10:34 "3 Jesus answered them, Is it not written in your law, I said, Ye are gods?"(3)

There you have it out of the mouth of Jesus Christ himself saying gods, as in plural.

This leads to the conclusion that despite "Christians" believing in monotheism. The Bible teaches the idea of Henotheism.

Henotheism: "the worship of a particular god, as by a family or tribe, without disbelieving in the existence of others."(4)

D: Consider the words of Paul in 1 Corinthians chapter 8 verses 4-6

"4 As concerning therefore the eating of those things that are offered in sacrifice unto idols, we know that an idol is nothing in the world, and that there is none other God but one.

5 For though there be that are called gods, whether in heaven or in earth, (as there be gods many, and lords many,)

6 But to us there is but one God, the Father, of whom are all things, and we in him; and one Lord Jesus Christ, by whom are all things, and we by him."

Paul here eludes that there may exists other "Gods" however that for "us" (Christians) there is one God. Christians believe in what is called the "true" God. This does imply that there are no other Gods, just that there is a "true" God or in other words the God you should follow.

E: Jeremiah 10:10 "But the Lord is the true God, he is the living God, and an everlasting king"(5)

The Bible teaches that followers of Christ can become Gods. Consider the following Scriptures.

F: Philippians 2:5-6 "Let this mind be in you, which was also in Christ Jesus Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God."(6)

Paul even talks about becoming a God Through Christ

G:Philippians 3:14 "I press toward the mark for the prize of the high calling of God in Christ Jesus."(7)

He teaches that we are Children and heirs of God

H: Romans 8:16-17 "16 The Spirit itself beareth witness with our spirit, that we are the children of God:
17 And if children, then heirs; heirs of God, and joint-heirs with Christ; if so be that we suffer with him, that we may be also glorified together."(8)

Conclusion of what the Bible teaches


A,H: "Let Us make man in Our image." We are the children of God""

B,D,E: "No other Gods before me" "as there be gods many, and lords many," "the Lord is the true God"

C,F,G,H: "ye are gods" "thought it not robbery to be equal with God" "high calling of God" "Joint heirs with Christ"

If the Bible teaches that we are children of God, can become like God, are warned not to worship other Gods then the Bible does not teach monotheism.

Sources
(1) https://www.lds.org...
(2) https://www.lds.org...
(3) https://www.lds.org...
(4) http://dictionary.reference.com...
(5) https://www.lds.org...
(6) https://www.lds.org...
(7) https://www.lds.org...
(8) https://www.lds.org... : :

The Bible is not a teacher because it cannot tell you if you have the correct interpretations.
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8/10/2015 11:35:25 PM
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The Bible is not a teacher because it cannot tell you if you have the correct interpretations.

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8/10/2015 11:38:10 PM
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At 8/10/2015 11:35:25 PM, kasmic wrote:
The Bible is not a teacher because it cannot tell you if you have the correct interpretations.

.....?

Think about it. The Bible cannot speak to anyone.
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8/11/2015 12:42:20 AM
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At 8/10/2015 11:38:10 PM, ex_friend wrote:
At 8/10/2015 11:35:25 PM, kasmic wrote:
The Bible is not a teacher because it cannot tell you if you have the correct interpretations.

.....?

Think about it. The Bible cannot speak to anyone.

2 Timothy 3:16

" 16 All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness"

https://www.lds.org...
"Liberalism Defined" http://www.debate.org...
"The Social Contract" http://www.debate.org...
"Intro to IR An Open Discussion" http://www.debate.org...

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My latest article: http://www.sensiblesoapbox.com...
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8/11/2015 12:55:06 AM
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At 8/11/2015 12:42:20 AM, kasmic wrote:
At 8/10/2015 11:38:10 PM, ex_friend wrote:
At 8/10/2015 11:35:25 PM, kasmic wrote:
The Bible is not a teacher because it cannot tell you if you have the correct interpretations.

.....?

Think about it. The Bible cannot speak to anyone.

2 Timothy 3:16

" 16 All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness"

https://www.lds.org... : :

Who did God inspire to write the original scriptures that were changed by heathens who call themselves Christians?
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8/11/2015 1:13:09 AM
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At 8/10/2015 11:21:56 PM, kasmic wrote:
The Bible teaches monotheism. There is only one Almighty God. However, trinitarians do not practice monotheism. The Bible is very clear that there is only one God (the Almight God; the Father). The Bible does mention other "gods", they can be false gods, judges, higher authorities, etc. Despite what many think, Jesus falls into the category of "god". In fact, "god" is directly defined in Psalm 82. So let me address each verse you mentioned individually:

Genesis 1:26 "And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness:"(1)
The plural here has been used to argue that the trinity is Biblical. However, even non-trinitarians admit that the verse is properly plural and supposed to be that way. The "us" and "our" are referring to the Father and the Son. However, the Father is the only God. The Son is simply the "master workman" (Proverbs 8:30):
"Then I was beside Him, as a master workman; And I was daily His delight, Rejoicing always before Him," (NASB)

Also consider Colossians 1:15-16:
"The Son is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn over all creation. For in him all things were created: things in heaven and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or powers or rulers or authorities; all things have been created through him and for him." (NIV)

Exodus 20:3 "Thou shalt have no other gods before me."(2)
You rightly point out that God does not say that "there are no other gods", because there are other "gods". Notice the lower case "g". Therefore we can look to Psalm 82 to define what a "god" is.

John 10:34 " Jesus answered them, Is it not written in your law, I said, Ye are gods?"(3)
Once again, we have to look to Psalm 82 to know what is mean by "gods"

1 Corinthians chapter 8 verses 4-6
I know I sound like a broken record at this point, but we have to look to Psalm 82 to define a "god".

Jeremiah 10:10 "But the Lord is the true God, he is the living God, and an everlasting king"(5)
The proper translation here would be, as many scholars agree:
"But the LORD is the true God, he is the living God, and an everlasting king"
LORD referring to Jehovah, Yahweh, etc.

Philippians 2:5-6 "Let this mind be in you, which was also in Christ Jesus Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God."(6)
The verse is actually debated. As you can see, the KJV reads:
"Let this mind be in you, which was also in Christ Jesus: Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God."
However, some translations render it like this: "who, although he was existing in God's form, gave no consideration to a seizure [harpagmon], namely, that he should be equal to God." (NWT, RS, NE, TEV, NAB)

So that begs the question, which tendering agrees with the context? Verse 5 tells Christians to imitate Christ in the matter being discussed. Do you honestly believe that they were being urged to consider it "not robbery", but their right, "to be equal with God"? Of course not! However, they can imitate one who "gave no consideration to a seizure, namely, that he should be equal to God." (NW, RS, NE, TEV, NAB) Compare that with Genesis 3:5. This rendition also agrees with Jesus Christ himself, who said:
"the Father is greater than I." [NIV] (John 14:28)

The Expositor's Greek Testament says:
"We cannot find any passage where [harpazo] or any of its derivatives [including harpagmon] has the sense of 'holding in possession,' 'retaining'. It seems invariably to mean 'seize,' 'snatch violently'. Thus it is not permissible to glide from the true sense 'grasp at' into one which is totally different, 'hold fast.'" (Grand Rapids, Mich.; 1967), edited by W. Robertson Nicoll, Vol. III, pp. 436, 437.

Philippians 3:14 "I press toward the mark for the prize of the high calling of God in Christ Jesus."(7)
This, once again, comes down to translation. I prefer the NWT rendition:
"I am pressing on toward the goal for the prize of the upward call of God by means of Christ Jesus."
The word used for "in" or "by means of" is the Greek word "en". The word can mean "in", "among", "with", etc. It can be used figuratively or not.

Romans 8:16-17 "The Spirit itself beareth witness with our spirit, that we are the children of God:
And if children, then heirs; heirs of God, and joint-heirs with Christ; if so be that we suffer with him, that we may be also glorified together."(8)

The question boils down to, who are the heirs of God? Or the joint-heirs of Christ? They are the anointed ones. The ones who are part of the 144,000 told about in Revelation 7. The ones who are not anointed will reside here on the new earth in paradise.

I hope this clarified things for you.
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8/11/2015 11:32:56 AM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 8/10/2015 11:33:59 PM, ex_friend wrote:
At 8/10/2015 11:21:56 PM, kasmic wrote:
Monotheism: the doctrine or belief that there is only one God.

What the Bible teaches...

A: Genesis 1:26 "And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness:"(1)

Notice that it does not say and I God will make man in my image, and after my likeness.

B: Exodus 20:3 "Thou shalt have no other gods before me."(2)

Notice that it does not read I am the only God and worship me.

C: John 10:34 "3 Jesus answered them, Is it not written in your law, I said, Ye are gods?"(3)

There you have it out of the mouth of Jesus Christ himself saying gods, as in plural.

This leads to the conclusion that despite "Christians" believing in monotheism. The Bible teaches the idea of Henotheism.

Henotheism: "the worship of a particular god, as by a family or tribe, without disbelieving in the existence of others."(4)

D: Consider the words of Paul in 1 Corinthians chapter 8 verses 4-6

"4 As concerning therefore the eating of those things that are offered in sacrifice unto idols, we know that an idol is nothing in the world, and that there is none other God but one.

5 For though there be that are called gods, whether in heaven or in earth, (as there be gods many, and lords many,)

6 But to us there is but one God, the Father, of whom are all things, and we in him; and one Lord Jesus Christ, by whom are all things, and we by him."

Paul here eludes that there may exists other "Gods" however that for "us" (Christians) there is one God. Christians believe in what is called the "true" God. This does imply that there are no other Gods, just that there is a "true" God or in other words the God you should follow.

E: Jeremiah 10:10 "But the Lord is the true God, he is the living God, and an everlasting king"(5)

The Bible teaches that followers of Christ can become Gods. Consider the following Scriptures.

F: Philippians 2:5-6 "Let this mind be in you, which was also in Christ Jesus Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God."(6)

Paul even talks about becoming a God Through Christ

G:Philippians 3:14 "I press toward the mark for the prize of the high calling of God in Christ Jesus."(7)

He teaches that we are Children and heirs of God

H: Romans 8:16-17 "16 The Spirit itself beareth witness with our spirit, that we are the children of God:
17 And if children, then heirs; heirs of God, and joint-heirs with Christ; if so be that we suffer with him, that we may be also glorified together."(8)

Conclusion of what the Bible teaches


A,H: "Let Us make man in Our image." We are the children of God""

B,D,E: "No other Gods before me" "as there be gods many, and lords many," "the Lord is the true God"

C,F,G,H: "ye are gods" "thought it not robbery to be equal with God" "high calling of God" "Joint heirs with Christ"

If the Bible teaches that we are children of God, can become like God, are warned not to worship other Gods then the Bible does not teach monotheism.

Sources
(1) https://www.lds.org...
(2) https://www.lds.org...
(3) https://www.lds.org...
(4) http://dictionary.reference.com...
(5) https://www.lds.org...
(6) https://www.lds.org...
(7) https://www.lds.org...
(8) https://www.lds.org... : :

The Bible is not a teacher because it cannot tell you if you have the correct interpretations.

Which simply shows how little you know of it.

It tells you when you have the correct interpretation because only when you have the correct understanding do the apparent contradictions disappear and scriptures become harmonious from Genesis to Revelation.

That is how scripture tells you whether or not you have the correct interpretation.

For instance, when you understand Genesis 12 correctly, you discover that it fits in with current scientific knowledge in the few details it tells us.
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8/11/2015 11:34:11 AM
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At 8/10/2015 11:33:59 PM, ex_friend wrote:

Ooops typo. That should have read Genesis 1, not Genesis 12, sorry. Hit two keys together and didn't notice in time.
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8/11/2015 11:36:05 AM
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At 8/11/2015 12:55:06 AM, ex_friend wrote:
At 8/11/2015 12:42:20 AM, kasmic wrote:
At 8/10/2015 11:38:10 PM, ex_friend wrote:
At 8/10/2015 11:35:25 PM, kasmic wrote:
The Bible is not a teacher because it cannot tell you if you have the correct interpretations.

.....?

Think about it. The Bible cannot speak to anyone.

2 Timothy 3:16

" 16 All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness"

https://www.lds.org... : :

Who did God inspire to write the original scriptures that were changed by heathens who call themselves Christians?

The writers of each book are well known.

Man has messed it about, but not enough to prevent it still being understandable with study and effort.

It can still be shown to tell one consistent story from Genesis to Revelation.
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8/11/2015 11:38:16 AM
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At 8/10/2015 11:38:10 PM, ex_friend wrote:
At 8/10/2015 11:35:25 PM, kasmic wrote:
The Bible is not a teacher because it cannot tell you if you have the correct interpretations.

.....?

Think about it. The Bible cannot speak to anyone.

It can and does, though not with sounds. It speaks to the spirit, to the heart of each one of us who trust in it's inspirer, his son, and holy spirit.
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8/11/2015 11:44:26 AM
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Jesus was GOD up until 1954, 80yrs after taking up his earthly throne and then he just got the arse.
Religion is just mind control. George Carlin
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8/11/2015 12:00:20 PM
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The Christians are not even aware that their god evolved from polytheism.

https://en.wikipedia.org...

Israel emerges into the historical record in the last decades of the 13th century BCE, at the very end of the Late Bronze Age, as the Canaanite city-state system was ending.[18] Scholars agree that the Israelite community arose peacefully and internally in the highlands of Canaan[19]"in the words of archaeologist William Dever, "most of those who came to call themselves Israelites " were or had been indigenous Canaanites"[20][Notes 1]"and that Israelite religion accordingly emerged gradually from a Canaanite milieu.[21]

El, not Yahweh, was the original "God of Israel""the word "Israel" is based on the name El rather than Yahweh.[22] He was the chief of the Canaanite gods, described as "the kind, the compassionate," "the creator of creatures".[23] He lived in a tent on a mountain from whose base originated all the fresh waters of the world, from where he presided over the Assembly of the Gods with the goddess Asherah as his consort.[23][24] The pair made up the top tier of the Canaanite pantheon;[23] the second tier was made up of their children, the "seventy sons of Athirat" (another name of Asherah).[25] Prominent in this group was Baal, with his home on Mount Zaphon; he gradually became the dominant deity, so that El became the executive power and Baal the military power in the cosmos.[26] Baal's sphere was the thunderstorm with its life-giving rains, so that he was also a fertility god, although not quite the fertility god.[27] The third tier was made up of comparatively minor craftsman and trader deities, and the fourth and final tier of divine messengers and the like.[25] Yahweh, the southern warrior-god, joined the pantheon headed by El and in time he and El were identified, with El's name becoming a generic term for "god".[24] Each member of the divine council had a human nation under his care, and a textual variant of Deuteronomy 32:8"9 describes the sons of El, including Yahweh, each receiving his own people:[22]


The Hebrew Bible gives the impression that the Jerusalem temple was always meant to be the central or even sole temple of Yahweh, but this was not the case:[32] the earliest known Israelite place of worship is a 12th-century open-air altar in the hills of Samaria featuring a bronze bull reminiscent of Canaanite "Bull-El" (El in the form of a bull), and the archaeological remains of further temples have been found at Dan on Israel's northern border and at Arad in the Negev and Beersheba, both in the territory of Judah.[41] Shiloh, Bethel, Gilgal, Mizpah, Ramah and Dan were also major sites for festivals, sacrifices, the making of vows, private rituals, and the adjudication of legal disputes.[42]

Pre-exilic Israel, like its neighbours, was polytheistic,[45] and Israelite monotheism was the culmination of a unique set of historical circumstances.[46] Yahweh and El merged at religious centres such as Shechem, Shiloh and Jerusalem,[47] and the national god appropriated many of the older supreme god's titles such as Shaddai (Almighty) and Elyon (Most High).[48] Asherah, formerly the wife of El, was probably worshiped as Yahweh's consort, and various biblical passages indicate that her statues were kept in his temples in Jerusalem, Bethel, and Samaria.[49] Yahweh may also have appropriated Anat, the wife of Baal, as his consort, as Anat-Yahu ("Anat of Yahu," i.e., Yahweh) is mentioned in 5th century records from the Jewish colony at Elephantine in Egypt.[50] A goddess called the Queen of Heaven was also worshiped, probably a fusion of Astarte and the Mesopotamian goddess Ishtar.[49] Baal and Yahweh coexisted in the early period of Israel's history, but from the 9th century they were considered irreconcilable, probably as a result of the attempts of King Ahab and Jezebel, his Phoenician queen, to elevate him in the northern kingdom.[49]

The worship of Yahweh alone began at the earliest with Elijah in the 9th century BCE, but more likely with the prophet Hosea in the 8th; even then it remained the concern of a small party before gaining ascendancy in the exilic and early post-exilic period.[45] The process by which this came about might be described as follows: In the early tribal period each tribe would have had its own patron god; when kingship emerged the state promoted Yahweh as the national god of Israel, supreme over the other gods, and gradually Yahweh absorbed all the positive traits of the other gods and goddesses; finally, in the national crisis of the exile, the very existence of other gods was denied.[8]


You'll find all these other gods in the Bible.
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8/11/2015 12:35:09 PM
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Yeah, what did you lot do with Asherah?
Is it a case of Deicide?
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At 8/10/2015 11:21:56 PM, kasmic wrote:
Monotheism: the doctrine or belief that there is only one God.

What the Bible teaches...

A: Genesis 1:26 "And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness:"(1)

Notice that it does not say and I God will make man in my image, and after my likeness.

B: Exodus 20:3 "Thou shalt have no other gods before me."(2)

Notice that it does not read I am the only God and worship me.

C: John 10:34 "3 Jesus answered them, Is it not written in your law, I said, Ye are gods?"(3)

There you have it out of the mouth of Jesus Christ himself saying gods, as in plural.

This leads to the conclusion that despite "Christians" believing in monotheism. The Bible teaches the idea of Henotheism.

Henotheism: "the worship of a particular god, as by a family or tribe, without disbelieving in the existence of others."(4)

D: Consider the words of Paul in 1 Corinthians chapter 8 verses 4-6

"4 As concerning therefore the eating of those things that are offered in sacrifice unto idols, we know that an idol is nothing in the world, and that there is none other God but one.

5 For though there be that are called gods, whether in heaven or in earth, (as there be gods many, and lords many,)

6 But to us there is but one God, the Father, of whom are all things, and we in him; and one Lord Jesus Christ, by whom are all things, and we by him."

Paul here eludes that there may exists other "Gods" however that for "us" (Christians) there is one God. Christians believe in what is called the "true" God. This does imply that there are no other Gods, just that there is a "true" God or in other words the God you should follow.

E: Jeremiah 10:10 "But the Lord is the true God, he is the living God, and an everlasting king"(5)

The Bible teaches that followers of Christ can become Gods. Consider the following Scriptures.

F: Philippians 2:5-6 "Let this mind be in you, which was also in Christ Jesus Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God."(6)

Paul even talks about becoming a God Through Christ

G:Philippians 3:14 "I press toward the mark for the prize of the high calling of God in Christ Jesus."(7)

He teaches that we are Children and heirs of God

H: Romans 8:16-17 "16 The Spirit itself beareth witness with our spirit, that we are the children of God:
17 And if children, then heirs; heirs of God, and joint-heirs with Christ; if so be that we suffer with him, that we may be also glorified together."(8)

Conclusion of what the Bible teaches


A,H: "Let Us make man in Our image." We are the children of God""

B,D,E: "No other Gods before me" "as there be gods many, and lords many," "the Lord is the true God"

C,F,G,H: "ye are gods" "thought it not robbery to be equal with God" "high calling of God" "Joint heirs with Christ"

If the Bible teaches that we are children of God, can become like God, are warned not to worship other Gods then the Bible does not teach monotheism.

Sources
(1) https://www.lds.org...
(2) https://www.lds.org...
(3) https://www.lds.org...
(4) http://dictionary.reference.com...
(5) https://www.lds.org...
(6) https://www.lds.org...
(7) https://www.lds.org...
(8) https://www.lds.org...

yes the bible teaches this is only one God, it is the triune God, the bible refers to money as a god, so let's not take the term to serious..

no God formed before me and no God formed after me...

i don't think the idea the lds have about becoming gods themselves is scriptural...
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8/11/2015 12:43:38 PM
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At 8/11/2015 12:00:20 PM, dee-em wrote:
The Christians are not even aware that their god evolved from polytheism.

https://en.wikipedia.org...

Israel emerges into the historical record in the last decades of the 13th century BCE, at the very end of the Late Bronze Age, as the Canaanite city-state system was ending.[18] Scholars agree that the Israelite community arose peacefully and internally in the highlands of Canaan[19]"in the words of archaeologist William Dever, "most of those who came to call themselves Israelites " were or had been indigenous Canaanites"[20][Notes 1]"and that Israelite religion accordingly emerged gradually from a Canaanite milieu.[21]

El, not Yahweh, was the original "God of Israel""the word "Israel" is based on the name El rather than Yahweh.[22] He was the chief of the Canaanite gods, described as "the kind, the compassionate," "the creator of creatures".[23] He lived in a tent on a mountain from whose base originated all the fresh waters of the world, from where he presided over the Assembly of the Gods with the goddess Asherah as his consort.[23][24] The pair made up the top tier of the Canaanite pantheon;[23] the second tier was made up of their children, the "seventy sons of Athirat" (another name of Asherah).[25] Prominent in this group was Baal, with his home on Mount Zaphon; he gradually became the dominant deity, so that El became the executive power and Baal the military power in the cosmos.[26] Baal's sphere was the thunderstorm with its life-giving rains, so that he was also a fertility god, although not quite the fertility god.[27] The third tier was made up of comparatively minor craftsman and trader deities, and the fourth and final tier of divine messengers and the like.[25] Yahweh, the southern warrior-god, joined the pantheon headed by El and in time he and El were identified, with El's name becoming a generic term for "god".[24] Each member of the divine council had a human nation under his care, and a textual variant of Deuteronomy 32:8"9 describes the sons of El, including Yahweh, each receiving his own people:[22]


The Hebrew Bible gives the impression that the Jerusalem temple was always meant to be the central or even sole temple of Yahweh, but this was not the case:[32] the earliest known Israelite place of worship is a 12th-century open-air altar in the hills of Samaria featuring a bronze bull reminiscent of Canaanite "Bull-El" (El in the form of a bull), and the archaeological remains of further temples have been found at Dan on Israel's northern border and at Arad in the Negev and Beersheba, both in the territory of Judah.[41] Shiloh, Bethel, Gilgal, Mizpah, Ramah and Dan were also major sites for festivals, sacrifices, the making of vows, private rituals, and the adjudication of legal disputes.[42]

Pre-exilic Israel, like its neighbours, was polytheistic,[45] and Israelite monotheism was the culmination of a unique set of historical circumstances.[46] Yahweh and El merged at religious centres such as Shechem, Shiloh and Jerusalem,[47] and the national god appropriated many of the older supreme god's titles such as Shaddai (Almighty) and Elyon (Most High).[48] Asherah, formerly the wife of El, was probably worshiped as Yahweh's consort, and various biblical passages indicate that her statues were kept in his temples in Jerusalem, Bethel, and Samaria.[49] Yahweh may also have appropriated Anat, the wife of Baal, as his consort, as Anat-Yahu ("Anat of Yahu," i.e., Yahweh) is mentioned in 5th century records from the Jewish colony at Elephantine in Egypt.[50] A goddess called the Queen of Heaven was also worshiped, probably a fusion of Astarte and the Mesopotamian goddess Ishtar.[49] Baal and Yahweh coexisted in the early period of Israel's history, but from the 9th century they were considered irreconcilable, probably as a result of the attempts of King Ahab and Jezebel, his Phoenician queen, to elevate him in the northern kingdom.[49]

The worship of Yahweh alone began at the earliest with Elijah in the 9th century BCE, but more likely with the prophet Hosea in the 8th; even then it remained the concern of a small party before gaining ascendancy in the exilic and early post-exilic period.[45] The process by which this came about might be described as follows: In the early tribal period each tribe would have had its own patron god; when kingship emerged the state promoted Yahweh as the national god of Israel, supreme over the other gods, and gradually Yahweh absorbed all the positive traits of the other gods and goddesses; finally, in the national crisis of the exile, the very existence of other gods was denied.[8]


You'll find all these other gods in the Bible.

Probably because he didn't.

He created all.

Man made too many into god's

There remains only one true God and Father over all.

You carefully ignore the very wide meaning of the word "god", especially where used in scripture.

The Bible was, is and always will be a book concentrating on the One True God, and is therefore truly monotheistic.

If Christians, true Christians that is not the fakes that abound so fully around us, are polytheistic, then so are the Jews, since the God that true Christians worship is the same ones that the Jews claim to worship but fall so far short of doing.
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8/11/2015 12:48:49 PM
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At 8/11/2015 12:43:38 PM, MadCornishBiker wrote:
There remains only one true God and Father over all.

And that god is Evil Robot Santa, all bow before the only great god never created.
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8/11/2015 12:51:03 PM
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At 8/11/2015 12:39:55 PM, graceofgod wrote:
At 8/10/2015 11:21:56 PM, kasmic wrote:
Monotheism: the doctrine or belief that there is only one God.

What the Bible teaches...

A: Genesis 1:26 "And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness:"(1)

Notice that it does not say and I God will make man in my image, and after my likeness.

B: Exodus 20:3 "Thou shalt have no other gods before me."(2)

Notice that it does not read I am the only God and worship me.

C: John 10:34 "3 Jesus answered them, Is it not written in your law, I said, Ye are gods?"(3)

There you have it out of the mouth of Jesus Christ himself saying gods, as in plural.

This leads to the conclusion that despite "Christians" believing in monotheism. The Bible teaches the idea of Henotheism.

Henotheism: "the worship of a particular god, as by a family or tribe, without disbelieving in the existence of others."(4)

D: Consider the words of Paul in 1 Corinthians chapter 8 verses 4-6

"4 As concerning therefore the eating of those things that are offered in sacrifice unto idols, we know that an idol is nothing in the world, and that there is none other God but one.

5 For though there be that are called gods, whether in heaven or in earth, (as there be gods many, and lords many,)

6 But to us there is but one God, the Father, of whom are all things, and we in him; and one Lord Jesus Christ, by whom are all things, and we by him."

Paul here eludes that there may exists other "Gods" however that for "us" (Christians) there is one God. Christians believe in what is called the "true" God. This does imply that there are no other Gods, just that there is a "true" God or in other words the God you should follow.

E: Jeremiah 10:10 "But the Lord is the true God, he is the living God, and an everlasting king"(5)

The Bible teaches that followers of Christ can become Gods. Consider the following Scriptures.

F: Philippians 2:5-6 "Let this mind be in you, which was also in Christ Jesus Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God."(6)

Paul even talks about becoming a God Through Christ

G:Philippians 3:14 "I press toward the mark for the prize of the high calling of God in Christ Jesus."(7)

He teaches that we are Children and heirs of God

H: Romans 8:16-17 "16 The Spirit itself beareth witness with our spirit, that we are the children of God:
17 And if children, then heirs; heirs of God, and joint-heirs with Christ; if so be that we suffer with him, that we may be also glorified together."(8)

Conclusion of what the Bible teaches


A,H: "Let Us make man in Our image." We are the children of God""

B,D,E: "No other Gods before me" "as there be gods many, and lords many," "the Lord is the true God"

C,F,G,H: "ye are gods" "thought it not robbery to be equal with God" "high calling of God" "Joint heirs with Christ"

If the Bible teaches that we are children of God, can become like God, are warned not to worship other Gods then the Bible does not teach monotheism.

Sources
(1) https://www.lds.org...
(2) https://www.lds.org...
(3) https://www.lds.org...
(4) http://dictionary.reference.com...
(5) https://www.lds.org...
(6) https://www.lds.org...
(7) https://www.lds.org...
(8) https://www.lds.org...

yes the bible teaches this is only one God, it is the triune God, the bible refers to money as a god, so let's not take the term to serious..

no God formed before me and no God formed after me...

i don't think the idea the lds have about becoming gods themselves is scriptural...

I cannot let such a lie, and an insult to the God who shares his glory with none, not even his son, pass without correction.

No scripture does not teach any trinity at all, that is an Apostate distortion of scripture, found only in demonstrably adulterated scripture.

The Apostles worshipped "the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ" the self same God that Christ also worshipped (John 20:17).

God's son, also known as the Word, and possibly even Michael, since their roles parallel each other so fully, is, as John 1:14, and Revelation 3:14, amongst others, make very clear, Jehovah's only begotten son, begotten of his father and then used to assist in the creation of all else:

Colossians 1:13-16
ASV(i) 13 who delivered us out of the power of darkness, and translated us into the kingdom of the Son of his love; 14 in whom we have our redemption, the forgiveness of our sins: 15 who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of all creation; 16 for in him were all things created, in the heavens and upon the earth, things visible and things invisible, whether thrones or dominions or principalities or powers; all things have been created through him, and unto him;

He is, was, and always will be the "son of his love". Not part of any mythical trinity.

You insult both God and Christ by such a claim, and turn his word into the very lie that so many translators have endeavoured to make of it.

They will not forget unless you open your eyes and heart to their truth.
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8/11/2015 12:52:24 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 8/11/2015 12:43:38 PM, MadCornishBiker wrote:
At 8/11/2015 12:00:20 PM, dee-em wrote:
The Christians are not even aware that their god evolved from polytheism.

https://en.wikipedia.org...

Israel emerges into the historical record in the last decades of the 13th century BCE, at the very end of the Late Bronze Age, as the Canaanite city-state system was ending.[18] Scholars agree that the Israelite community arose peacefully and internally in the highlands of Canaan[19]"in the words of archaeologist William Dever, "most of those who came to call themselves Israelites " were or had been indigenous Canaanites"[20][Notes 1]"and that Israelite religion accordingly emerged gradually from a Canaanite milieu.[21]

El, not Yahweh, was the original "God of Israel""the word "Israel" is based on the name El rather than Yahweh.[22] He was the chief of the Canaanite gods, described as "the kind, the compassionate," "the creator of creatures".[23] He lived in a tent on a mountain from whose base originated all the fresh waters of the world, from where he presided over the Assembly of the Gods with the goddess Asherah as his consort.[23][24] The pair made up the top tier of the Canaanite pantheon;[23] the second tier was made up of their children, the "seventy sons of Athirat" (another name of Asherah).[25] Prominent in this group was Baal, with his home on Mount Zaphon; he gradually became the dominant deity, so that El became the executive power and Baal the military power in the cosmos.[26] Baal's sphere was the thunderstorm with its life-giving rains, so that he was also a fertility god, although not quite the fertility god.[27] The third tier was made up of comparatively minor craftsman and trader deities, and the fourth and final tier of divine messengers and the like.[25] Yahweh, the southern warrior-god, joined the pantheon headed by El and in time he and El were identified, with El's name becoming a generic term for "god".[24] Each member of the divine council had a human nation under his care, and a textual variant of Deuteronomy 32:8"9 describes the sons of El, including Yahweh, each receiving his own people:[22]


The Hebrew Bible gives the impression that the Jerusalem temple was always meant to be the central or even sole temple of Yahweh, but this was not the case:[32] the earliest known Israelite place of worship is a 12th-century open-air altar in the hills of Samaria featuring a bronze bull reminiscent of Canaanite "Bull-El" (El in the form of a bull), and the archaeological remains of further temples have been found at Dan on Israel's northern border and at Arad in the Negev and Beersheba, both in the territory of Judah.[41] Shiloh, Bethel, Gilgal, Mizpah, Ramah and Dan were also major sites for festivals, sacrifices, the making of vows, private rituals, and the adjudication of legal disputes.[42]

Pre-exilic Israel, like its neighbours, was polytheistic,[45] and Israelite monotheism was the culmination of a unique set of historical circumstances.[46] Yahweh and El merged at religious centres such as Shechem, Shiloh and Jerusalem,[47] and the national god appropriated many of the older supreme god's titles such as Shaddai (Almighty) and Elyon (Most High).[48] Asherah, formerly the wife of El, was probably worshiped as Yahweh's consort, and various biblical passages indicate that her statues were kept in his temples in Jerusalem, Bethel, and Samaria.[49] Yahweh may also have appropriated Anat, the wife of Baal, as his consort, as Anat-Yahu ("Anat of Yahu," i.e., Yahweh) is mentioned in 5th century records from the Jewish colony at Elephantine in Egypt.[50] A goddess called the Queen of Heaven was also worshiped, probably a fusion of Astarte and the Mesopotamian goddess Ishtar.[49] Baal and Yahweh coexisted in the early period of Israel's history, but from the 9th century they were considered irreconcilable, probably as a result of the attempts of King Ahab and Jezebel, his Phoenician queen, to elevate him in the northern kingdom.[49]

The worship of Yahweh alone began at the earliest with Elijah in the 9th century BCE, but more likely with the prophet Hosea in the 8th; even then it remained the concern of a small party before gaining ascendancy in the exilic and early post-exilic period.[45] The process by which this came about might be described as follows: In the early tribal period each tribe would have had its own patron god; when kingship emerged the state promoted Yahweh as the national god of Israel, supreme over the other gods, and gradually Yahweh absorbed all the positive traits of the other gods and goddesses; finally, in the national crisis of the exile, the very existence of other gods was denied.[8]


You'll find all these other gods in the Bible.

Probably because he didn't.

He created all.

Man made too many into god's

There remains only one true God and Father over all.

You carefully ignore the very wide meaning of the word "god", especially where used in scripture.

The Bible was, is and always will be a book concentrating on the One True God, and is therefore truly monotheistic.

If Christians, true Christians that is not the fakes that abound so fully around us, are polytheistic, then so are the Jews, since the God that true Christians worship is the same ones that the Jews claim to worship but fall so far short of doing.

You didn't absorb one single word, did you? Is your Jehovah El or Yahweh?
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8/11/2015 12:55:31 PM
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At 8/11/2015 12:43:38 PM, MadCornishBiker wrote:
The Bible was, is and always will be a book concentrating on the One True God, and is therefore truly monotheistic.
Including Asherah's tree.
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8/11/2015 12:59:00 PM
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At 8/11/2015 12:51:03 PM, MadCornishBiker wrote:
At 8/11/2015 12:39:55 PM, graceofgod wrote:
At 8/10/2015 11:21:56 PM, kasmic wrote:
Monotheism: the doctrine or belief that there is only one God.

What the Bible teaches...

A: Genesis 1:26 "And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness:"(1)

Notice that it does not say and I God will make man in my image, and after my likeness.

B: Exodus 20:3 "Thou shalt have no other gods before me."(2)

Notice that it does not read I am the only God and worship me.

C: John 10:34 "3 Jesus answered them, Is it not written in your law, I said, Ye are gods?"(3)

There you have it out of the mouth of Jesus Christ himself saying gods, as in plural.

This leads to the conclusion that despite "Christians" believing in monotheism. The Bible teaches the idea of Henotheism.

Henotheism: "the worship of a particular god, as by a family or tribe, without disbelieving in the existence of others."(4)

D: Consider the words of Paul in 1 Corinthians chapter 8 verses 4-6

"4 As concerning therefore the eating of those things that are offered in sacrifice unto idols, we know that an idol is nothing in the world, and that there is none other God but one.

5 For though there be that are called gods, whether in heaven or in earth, (as there be gods many, and lords many,)

6 But to us there is but one God, the Father, of whom are all things, and we in him; and one Lord Jesus Christ, by whom are all things, and we by him."

Paul here eludes that there may exists other "Gods" however that for "us" (Christians) there is one God. Christians believe in what is called the "true" God. This does imply that there are no other Gods, just that there is a "true" God or in other words the God you should follow.

E: Jeremiah 10:10 "But the Lord is the true God, he is the living God, and an everlasting king"(5)

The Bible teaches that followers of Christ can become Gods. Consider the following Scriptures.

F: Philippians 2:5-6 "Let this mind be in you, which was also in Christ Jesus Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God."(6)

Paul even talks about becoming a God Through Christ

G:Philippians 3:14 "I press toward the mark for the prize of the high calling of God in Christ Jesus."(7)

He teaches that we are Children and heirs of God

H: Romans 8:16-17 "16 The Spirit itself beareth witness with our spirit, that we are the children of God:
17 And if children, then heirs; heirs of God, and joint-heirs with Christ; if so be that we suffer with him, that we may be also glorified together."(8)

Conclusion of what the Bible teaches


A,H: "Let Us make man in Our image." We are the children of God""

B,D,E: "No other Gods before me" "as there be gods many, and lords many," "the Lord is the true God"

C,F,G,H: "ye are gods" "thought it not robbery to be equal with God" "high calling of God" "Joint heirs with Christ"

If the Bible teaches that we are children of God, can become like God, are warned not to worship other Gods then the Bible does not teach monotheism.

Sources
(1) https://www.lds.org...
(2) https://www.lds.org...
(3) https://www.lds.org...
(4) http://dictionary.reference.com...
(5) https://www.lds.org...
(6) https://www.lds.org...
(7) https://www.lds.org...
(8) https://www.lds.org...

yes the bible teaches this is only one God, it is the triune God, the bible refers to money as a god, so let's not take the term to serious..

no God formed before me and no God formed after me...

i don't think the idea the lds have about becoming gods themselves is scriptural...

I cannot let such a lie, and an insult to the God who shares his glory with none, not even his son, pass without correction.

No scripture does not teach any trinity at all, that is an Apostate distortion of scripture, found only in demonstrably adulterated scripture.

The Apostles worshipped "the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ" the self same God that Christ also worshipped (John 20:17).

God's son, also known as the Word, and possibly even Michael, since their roles parallel each other so fully, is, as John 1:14, and Revelation 3:14, amongst others, make very clear, Jehovah's only begotten son, begotten of his father and then used to assist in the creation of all else:

Colossians 1:13-16
ASV(i) 13 who delivered us out of the power of darkness, and translated us into the kingdom of the Son of his love; 14 in whom we have our redemption, the forgiveness of our sins: 15 who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of all creation; 16 for in him were all things created, in the heavens and upon the earth, things visible and things invisible, whether thrones or dominions or principalities or powers; all things have been created through him, and unto him;

He is, was, and always will be the "son of his love". Not part of any mythical trinity.

You insult both God and Christ by such a claim, and turn his word into the very lie that so many translators have endeavoured to make of it.

They will not forget unless you open your eyes and heart to their truth.
Hey mad tell 'em who actually spoke to Adam and Noah and Abraham and Moses that should convince 'em.
Religion is just mind control. George Carlin
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8/11/2015 1:04:41 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 8/10/2015 11:21:56 PM, kasmic wrote:
Monotheism: the doctrine or belief that there is only one God.

What the Bible teaches...

A: Genesis 1:26 "And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness:"(1)

Notice that it does not say and I God will make man in my image, and after my likeness.

That is because he is speaking to his son, the beginning of his creation, his first, and only solo work, his "only begotten son" John 1:14.


B: Exodus 20:3 "Thou shalt have no other gods before me."(2)

Notice that it does not read I am the only God and worship me.

Which means he is the only God worth of worship. All others are either false or subservient.

You ignore the very wide meaning of the word god, which is even applied to humans by Jehovah himself.


C: John 10:34 "3 Jesus answered them, Is it not written in your law, I said, Ye are gods?"(3)

There you have it out of the mouth of Jesus Christ himself saying gods, as in plural.


See the above.

This leads to the conclusion that despite "Christians" believing in monotheism. The Bible teaches the idea of Henotheism.

That is a false conclusion which, as I say, ignores the wider meanings of the word "god" as used in scripture.

It is a conclusion born of a very narrow view.

Monotheism does not mean the belief in only one God, but the worship of only one above all others.

Only a fool could deny the fact that, as scriptures point out, men make gods of many things which should not be so regarded.


Henotheism: "the worship of a particular god, as by a family or tribe, without disbelieving in the existence of others."(4)

An interesting word I had never come across before, and by that definition it would be true if it did not also rely on a too narrow meaning of the word "god". (My spell checker doesn't recognise it either, lol.)


D: Consider the words of Paul in 1 Corinthians chapter 8 verses 4-6

"4 As concerning therefore the eating of those things that are offered in sacrifice unto idols, we know that an idol is nothing in the world, and that there is none other God but one.

5 For though there be that are called gods, whether in heaven or in earth, (as there be gods many, and lords many,)

6 But to us there is but one God, the Father, of whom are all things, and we in him; and one Lord Jesus Christ, by whom are all things, and we by him."

Paul here eludes that there may exists other "Gods" however that for "us"
(Christians) there is one God. Christians believe in what is called the "true" God. This does imply that there are no other Gods, just that there is a "true" God or in other words the God you should follow.

No he does not, he says "gods" not "Gods", there is a word of difference in that one letter being capitalised or not.


E: Jeremiah 10:10 "But the Lord is the true God, he is the living God, and an everlasting king"(5)

The Bible teaches that followers of Christ can become Gods. Consider the following Scriptures.

Again you misuse the word God, when you should be using the much lesser term god.


F: Philippians 2:5-6 "Let this mind be in you, which was also in Christ Jesus Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God."(6)

Paul even talks about becoming a God Through Christ

No, he speaks of having the same form as God, in other words being a spirit, as opposed to being of flesh. not of actually being a God.

All spirit beings are in God's form, but the best they can be called is gods (lower case "g" again, very important difference in scripture..

You twist that scripture to your own end.


G:Philippians 3:14 "I press toward the mark for the prize of the high calling of God in Christ Jesus."(7)

He teaches that we are Children and heirs of God

Yes, but not God's ourselves.

Again you twist that scripture to mean what it does not mean.


H: Romans 8:16-17 "16 The Spirit itself beareth witness with our spirit, that we are the children of God:
17 And if children, then heirs; heirs of God, and joint-heirs with Christ; if so be that we suffer with him, that we may be also glorified together."(8)

Conclusion of what the Bible teaches


A,H: "Let Us make man in Our image." We are the children of God""

B,D,E: "No other Gods before me" "as there be gods many, and lords many," "the Lord is the true God"

C,F,G,H: "ye are gods" "thought it not robbery to be equal with God" "high calling of God" "Joint heirs with Christ"

If the Bible teaches that we are children of God, can become like God, are warned not to worship other Gods then the Bible does not teach monotheism.

Sources
(1) https://www.lds.org...
(2) https://www.lds.org...
(3) https://www.lds.org...
(4) http://dictionary.reference.com...
(5) https://www.lds.org...
(6) https://www.lds.org...
(7) https://www.lds.org...
(8) https://www.lds.org...

The children of God, are children in spirit, in belief, , and are adopted as such by their faith.

They are not Gods, not even gods. Nor does scripture indicate in any way that they are.

You teach far from truth.
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8/11/2015 1:08:14 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 8/11/2015 12:59:00 PM, bulproof wrote:
At 8/11/2015 12:51:03 PM, MadCornishBiker wrote:
At 8/11/2015 12:39:55 PM, graceofgod wrote:
At 8/10/2015 11:21:56 PM, kasmic wrote:
Monotheism: the doctrine or belief that there is only one God.

What the Bible teaches...

A: Genesis 1:26 "And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness:"(1)

Notice that it does not say and I God will make man in my image, and after my likeness.

B: Exodus 20:3 "Thou shalt have no other gods before me."(2)

Notice that it does not read I am the only God and worship me.

C: John 10:34 "3 Jesus answered them, Is it not written in your law, I said, Ye are gods?"(3)

There you have it out of the mouth of Jesus Christ himself saying gods, as in plural.

This leads to the conclusion that despite "Christians" believing in monotheism. The Bible teaches the idea of Henotheism.

Henotheism: "the worship of a particular god, as by a family or tribe, without disbelieving in the existence of others."(4)

D: Consider the words of Paul in 1 Corinthians chapter 8 verses 4-6

"4 As concerning therefore the eating of those things that are offered in sacrifice unto idols, we know that an idol is nothing in the world, and that there is none other God but one.

5 For though there be that are called gods, whether in heaven or in earth, (as there be gods many, and lords many,)

6 But to us there is but one God, the Father, of whom are all things, and we in him; and one Lord Jesus Christ, by whom are all things, and we by him."

Paul here eludes that there may exists other "Gods" however that for "us" (Christians) there is one God. Christians believe in what is called the "true" God. This does imply that there are no other Gods, just that there is a "true" God or in other words the God you should follow.

E: Jeremiah 10:10 "But the Lord is the true God, he is the living God, and an everlasting king"(5)

The Bible teaches that followers of Christ can become Gods. Consider the following Scriptures.

F: Philippians 2:5-6 "Let this mind be in you, which was also in Christ Jesus Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God."(6)

Paul even talks about becoming a God Through Christ

G:Philippians 3:14 "I press toward the mark for the prize of the high calling of God in Christ Jesus."(7)

He teaches that we are Children and heirs of God

H: Romans 8:16-17 "16 The Spirit itself beareth witness with our spirit, that we are the children of God:
17 And if children, then heirs; heirs of God, and joint-heirs with Christ; if so be that we suffer with him, that we may be also glorified together."(8)

Conclusion of what the Bible teaches


A,H: "Let Us make man in Our image." We are the children of God""

B,D,E: "No other Gods before me" "as there be gods many, and lords many," "the Lord is the true God"

C,F,G,H: "ye are gods" "thought it not robbery to be equal with God" "high calling of God" "Joint heirs with Christ"

If the Bible teaches that we are children of God, can become like God, are warned not to worship other Gods then the Bible does not teach monotheism.

Sources
(1) https://www.lds.org...
(2) https://www.lds.org...
(3) https://www.lds.org...
(4) http://dictionary.reference.com...
(5) https://www.lds.org...
(6) https://www.lds.org...
(7) https://www.lds.org...
(8) https://www.lds.org...

yes the bible teaches this is only one God, it is the triune God, the bible refers to money as a god, so let's not take the term to serious..

no God formed before me and no God formed after me...

i don't think the idea the lds have about becoming gods themselves is scriptural...

I cannot let such a lie, and an insult to the God who shares his glory with none, not even his son, pass without correction.

No scripture does not teach any trinity at all, that is an Apostate distortion of scripture, found only in demonstrably adulterated scripture.

The Apostles worshipped "the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ" the self same God that Christ also worshipped (John 20:17).

God's son, also known as the Word, and possibly even Michael, since their roles parallel each other so fully, is, as John 1:14, and Revelation 3:14, amongst others, make very clear, Jehovah's only begotten son, begotten of his father and then used to assist in the creation of all else:

Colossians 1:13-16
ASV(i) 13 who delivered us out of the power of darkness, and translated us into the kingdom of the Son of his love; 14 in whom we have our redemption, the forgiveness of our sins: 15 who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of all creation; 16 for in him were all things created, in the heavens and upon the earth, things visible and things invisible, whether thrones or dominions or principalities or powers; all things have been created through him, and unto him;

He is, was, and always will be the "son of his love". Not part of any mythical trinity.

You insult both God and Christ by such a claim, and turn his word into the very lie that so many translators have endeavoured to make of it.

They will not forget unless you open your eyes and heart to their truth.
Hey mad tell 'em who actually spoke to Adam and Noah and Abraham and Moses that should convince 'em.

It may convince those who are truly interested in truth for it's own sake. It certainly would not convince you at present because currently you have no interest in truth.

However to answer your question, it was God's son, speaking as "The Word" God's spokesman, who spoke to Noah Abraham and Moses.

Adam had the privilege, which he threw away and lost to us for now, of speaking directly with Jehovah himself.

That privilege will be returned to the faithful after the final test as the last three chapters of Revelation show.
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8/11/2015 1:12:16 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 8/11/2015 12:52:24 PM, dee-em wrote:
At 8/11/2015 12:43:38 PM, MadCornishBiker wrote:
At 8/11/2015 12:00:20 PM, dee-em wrote:
The Christians are not even aware that their god evolved from polytheism.

https://en.wikipedia.org...

Israel emerges into the historical record in the last decades of the 13th century BCE, at the very end of the Late Bronze Age, as the Canaanite city-state system was ending.[18] Scholars agree that the Israelite community arose peacefully and internally in the highlands of Canaan[19]"in the words of archaeologist William Dever, "most of those who came to call themselves Israelites " were or had been indigenous Canaanites"[20][Notes 1]"and that Israelite religion accordingly emerged gradually from a Canaanite milieu.[21]

El, not Yahweh, was the original "God of Israel""the word "Israel" is based on the name El rather than Yahweh.[22] He was the chief of the Canaanite gods, described as "the kind, the compassionate," "the creator of creatures".[23] He lived in a tent on a mountain from whose base originated all the fresh waters of the world, from where he presided over the Assembly of the Gods with the goddess Asherah as his consort.[23][24] The pair made up the top tier of the Canaanite pantheon;[23] the second tier was made up of their children, the "seventy sons of Athirat" (another name of Asherah).[25] Prominent in this group was Baal, with his home on Mount Zaphon; he gradually became the dominant deity, so that El became the executive power and Baal the military power in the cosmos.[26] Baal's sphere was the thunderstorm with its life-giving rains, so that he was also a fertility god, although not quite the fertility god.[27] The third tier was made up of comparatively minor craftsman and trader deities, and the fourth and final tier of divine messengers and the like.[25] Yahweh, the southern warrior-god, joined the pantheon headed by El and in time he and El were identified, with El's name becoming a generic term for "god".[24] Each member of the divine council had a human nation under his care, and a textual variant of Deuteronomy 32:8"9 describes the sons of El, including Yahweh, each receiving his own people:[22]


The Hebrew Bible gives the impression that the Jerusalem temple was always meant to be the central or even sole temple of Yahweh, but this was not the case:[32] the earliest known Israelite place of worship is a 12th-century open-air altar in the hills of Samaria featuring a bronze bull reminiscent of Canaanite "Bull-El" (El in the form of a bull), and the archaeological remains of further temples have been found at Dan on Israel's northern border and at Arad in the Negev and Beersheba, both in the territory of Judah.[41] Shiloh, Bethel, Gilgal, Mizpah, Ramah and Dan were also major sites for festivals, sacrifices, the making of vows, private rituals, and the adjudication of legal disputes.[42]

Pre-exilic Israel, like its neighbours, was polytheistic,[45] and Israelite monotheism was the culmination of a unique set of historical circumstances.[46] Yahweh and El merged at religious centres such as Shechem, Shiloh and Jerusalem,[47] and the national god appropriated many of the older supreme god's titles such as Shaddai (Almighty) and Elyon (Most High).[48] Asherah, formerly the wife of El, was probably worshiped as Yahweh's consort, and various biblical passages indicate that her statues were kept in his temples in Jerusalem, Bethel, and Samaria.[49] Yahweh may also have appropriated Anat, the wife of Baal, as his consort, as Anat-Yahu ("Anat of Yahu," i.e., Yahweh) is mentioned in 5th century records from the Jewish colony at Elephantine in Egypt.[50] A goddess called the Queen of Heaven was also worshiped, probably a fusion of Astarte and the Mesopotamian goddess Ishtar.[49] Baal and Yahweh coexisted in the early period of Israel's history, but from the 9th century they were considered irreconcilable, probably as a result of the attempts of King Ahab and Jezebel, his Phoenician queen, to elevate him in the northern kingdom.[49]

The worship of Yahweh alone began at the earliest with Elijah in the 9th century BCE, but more likely with the prophet Hosea in the 8th; even then it remained the concern of a small party before gaining ascendancy in the exilic and early post-exilic period.[45] The process by which this came about might be described as follows: In the early tribal period each tribe would have had its own patron god; when kingship emerged the state promoted Yahweh as the national god of Israel, supreme over the other gods, and gradually Yahweh absorbed all the positive traits of the other gods and goddesses; finally, in the national crisis of the exile, the very existence of other gods was denied.[8]


You'll find all these other gods in the Bible.

Probably because he didn't.

He created all.

Man made too many into god's

There remains only one true God and Father over all.

You carefully ignore the very wide meaning of the word "god", especially where used in scripture.

The Bible was, is and always will be a book concentrating on the One True God, and is therefore truly monotheistic.

If Christians, true Christians that is not the fakes that abound so fully around us, are polytheistic, then so are the Jews, since the God that true Christians worship is the same ones that the Jews claim to worship but fall so far short of doing.

You didn't absorb one single word, did you? Is your Jehovah El or Yahweh?

I only absorb truth.

My God is, in English, Jehovah in transliterated Hebrew Yahweh or Yehowah. They are one God as known in different languages. There are many other language version of the name of the One True God.

El, like God, is a title not a name and is sometimes, rightly or wrongly, imputed to the God that Christ, the Apostles, and I worship.
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8/11/2015 1:15:57 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 8/11/2015 1:08:14 PM, MadCornishBiker wrote:
At 8/11/2015 12:59:00 PM, bulproof wrote:
At 8/11/2015 12:51:03 PM, MadCornishBiker wrote:
At 8/11/2015 12:39:55 PM, graceofgod wrote:
At 8/10/2015 11:21:56 PM, kasmic wrote:
Monotheism: the doctrine or belief that there is only one God.

What the Bible teaches...

A: Genesis 1:26 "And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness:"(1)

Notice that it does not say and I God will make man in my image, and after my likeness.

B: Exodus 20:3 "Thou shalt have no other gods before me."(2)

Notice that it does not read I am the only God and worship me.

C: John 10:34 "3 Jesus answered them, Is it not written in your law, I said, Ye are gods?"(3)

There you have it out of the mouth of Jesus Christ himself saying gods, as in plural.

This leads to the conclusion that despite "Christians" believing in monotheism. The Bible teaches the idea of Henotheism.

Henotheism: "the worship of a particular god, as by a family or tribe, without disbelieving in the existence of others."(4)

D: Consider the words of Paul in 1 Corinthians chapter 8 verses 4-6

"4 As concerning therefore the eating of those things that are offered in sacrifice unto idols, we know that an idol is nothing in the world, and that there is none other God but one.

5 For though there be that are called gods, whether in heaven or in earth, (as there be gods many, and lords many,)

6 But to us there is but one God, the Father, of whom are all things, and we in him; and one Lord Jesus Christ, by whom are all things, and we by him."

Paul here eludes that there may exists other "Gods" however that for "us" (Christians) there is one God. Christians believe in what is called the "true" God. This does imply that there are no other Gods, just that there is a "true" God or in other words the God you should follow.

E: Jeremiah 10:10 "But the Lord is the true God, he is the living God, and an everlasting king"(5)

The Bible teaches that followers of Christ can become Gods. Consider the following Scriptures.

F: Philippians 2:5-6 "Let this mind be in you, which was also in Christ Jesus Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God."(6)

Paul even talks about becoming a God Through Christ

G:Philippians 3:14 "I press toward the mark for the prize of the high calling of God in Christ Jesus."(7)

He teaches that we are Children and heirs of God

H: Romans 8:16-17 "16 The Spirit itself beareth witness with our spirit, that we are the children of God:
17 And if children, then heirs; heirs of God, and joint-heirs with Christ; if so be that we suffer with him, that we may be also glorified together."(8)

Conclusion of what the Bible teaches


A,H: "Let Us make man in Our image." We are the children of God""

B,D,E: "No other Gods before me" "as there be gods many, and lords many," "the Lord is the true God"

C,F,G,H: "ye are gods" "thought it not robbery to be equal with God" "high calling of God" "Joint heirs with Christ"

If the Bible teaches that we are children of God, can become like God, are warned not to worship other Gods then the Bible does not teach monotheism.

Sources
(1) https://www.lds.org...
(2) https://www.lds.org...
(3) https://www.lds.org...
(4) http://dictionary.reference.com...
(5) https://www.lds.org...
(6) https://www.lds.org...
(7) https://www.lds.org...
(8) https://www.lds.org...

yes the bible teaches this is only one God, it is the triune God, the bible refers to money as a god, so let's not take the term to serious..

no God formed before me and no God formed after me...

i don't think the idea the lds have about becoming gods themselves is scriptural...

I cannot let such a lie, and an insult to the God who shares his glory with none, not even his son, pass without correction.

No scripture does not teach any trinity at all, that is an Apostate distortion of scripture, found only in demonstrably adulterated scripture.

The Apostles worshipped "the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ" the self same God that Christ also worshipped (John 20:17).

God's son, also known as the Word, and possibly even Michael, since their roles parallel each other so fully, is, as John 1:14, and Revelation 3:14, amongst others, make very clear, Jehovah's only begotten son, begotten of his father and then used to assist in the creation of all else:

Colossians 1:13-16
ASV(i) 13 who delivered us out of the power of darkness, and translated us into the kingdom of the Son of his love; 14 in whom we have our redemption, the forgiveness of our sins: 15 who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of all creation; 16 for in him were all things created, in the heavens and upon the earth, things visible and things invisible, whether thrones or dominions or principalities or powers; all things have been created through him, and unto him;

He is, was, and always will be the "son of his love". Not part of any mythical trinity.

You insult both God and Christ by such a claim, and turn his word into the very lie that so many translators have endeavoured to make of it.

They will not forget unless you open your eyes and heart to their truth.
Hey mad tell 'em who actually spoke to Adam and Noah and Abraham and Moses that should convince 'em.

It may convince those who are truly interested in truth for it's own sake. It certainly would not convince you at present because currently you have no interest in truth.

However to answer your question, it was God's son, speaking as "The Word" God's spokesman, who spoke to Noah Abraham and Moses.

Adam had the privilege, which he threw away and lost to us for now, of speaking directly with Jehovah himself.

That privilege will be returned to the faithful after the final test as the last three chapters of Revelation show.

I'm disappointed that you have changed your story.
Or are you now claiming that the Euphrates river is in heaven?
What's your story now?
BTW you had it as angels doin' the talking, changed your story again?
Ya got any scripture to support which ever story you currently claim.
I'm sure you'd convince some escapee from a home for the permanently bewildered.
Religion is just mind control. George Carlin
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8/11/2015 1:35:38 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 8/11/2015 1:12:16 PM, MadCornishBiker wrote:
At 8/11/2015 12:52:24 PM, dee-em wrote:

You didn't absorb one single word, did you? Is your Jehovah El or Yahweh?

I only absorb truth.

Now that is truly hilarious. Have you thought about doing stand-up?

My God is, in English, Jehovah in transliterated Hebrew Yahweh or Yehowah. They are one God as known in different languages. There are many other language version of the name of the One True God.

Your Yahweh was a minor warrior deity who was later adopted as the head of the pantheon, usurping El. You can deny this history by sticking your head in the sand, but reality doesn't change.

El, like God, is a title not a name and is sometimes, rightly or wrongly, imputed to the God that Christ, the Apostles, and I worship.

Yep. You didn't read a single word. The blinkers are firmly in place.
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8/11/2015 1:51:43 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
As noted in the OP, there are many mentions of other gods in the bible. It teaches that Yahweh (Jehova, God, etc) is the one TRUE god among them. Many theists have taken those statements as not literal and claimed they are speaking of wealth, power, and other things a human might pursue. So, to the point, no it does not.
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8/11/2015 2:01:48 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
Yes and no. Some theologians have asserted that "orthodox Christian belief is straightforwardly committed to the existence of multiple divine beings" based on parallels between Christianity and Egyptian polytheism (1). In fact, scholars have concluded that Abraham and his fellow Hebrews were not monotheistic, but monolatrous. Abraham actually worshipped a variety of Gods that stemmed from the indigenous God El of the Canaanites. El Elion ("God Most High"); El Olam ("God Eternal"); El Shaddai ("God the Mountain"); El Ro"i ("God All-Seeing") were all worshipped by Abraham at some point, suggesting that rather than a single God, there were many different gods (2).

The God that visited Abraham is most likely a personal god, as references to Abraham and his God are not followed by the root gdsh, which is found in Canaanite texts when referencing Qadesh or Benei-Qadesh (3). This personal God of Abraham did not exhibit the powers over nature that are characteristic of God. Both literary and textual references lead scholars to the conclusion that the God of Abraham was not the same God in modern Christianity.

With that being said, however, it is unclear whether or not the Bible is polytheistic. Early versions point to Judaism and Christianity having a pantheon of gods, much like Egyptian polytheism (4). Thus, it really depends on what you are looking at. If you are looking at the oldest roots of Christianity, it is most accurate to say that it was monolatrous. If you are looking at the text of the Bible, it is pointing primarily towards a monotheistic religion.

1. https://www3.nd.edu...
2. http://www.bu.edu...
3. http://biblicalstudies.org.uk...
4. http://thedivinecouncil.com...
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8/12/2015 11:14:25 AM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 8/11/2015 1:35:38 PM, dee-em wrote:
At 8/11/2015 1:12:16 PM, MadCornishBiker wrote:
At 8/11/2015 12:52:24 PM, dee-em wrote:

You didn't absorb one single word, did you? Is your Jehovah El or Yahweh?

I only absorb truth.

Now that is truly hilarious. Have you thought about doing stand-up?

My God is, in English, Jehovah in transliterated Hebrew Yahweh or Yehowah. They are one God as known in different languages. There are many other language version of the name of the One True God.

Your Yahweh was a minor warrior deity who was later adopted as the head of the pantheon, usurping El. You can deny this history by sticking your head in the sand, but reality doesn't change.

El, like God, is a title not a name and is sometimes, rightly or wrongly, imputed to the God that Christ, the Apostles, and I worship.

Yep. You didn't read a single word. The blinkers are firmly in place.

Didn't I? That is your opinion.

Just because I didn't comment on all of it doesn't mean I didn't read it.

Believe what you like. I only accept what is true. I need nothing else, nor is anything else of any use to me.

Blinkers?

Well if you call scripture blinkers then yes, because scripture is now what I "filter" everything through.

You can quote the words of men who think they are far cleverer than they are in truth all you like. The word of Jehovah himself is far superior.