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skipsaweirdo
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8/11/2015 4:29:50 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
Is anyone aware of any omnipotent paradoxes in regards to God. Please state paradox in a step by step progression and how it reveals the claimed paradox. Please no subjective threads concerning your feelings on what you think is evil or good. Simply state an example that you think exposes an omnipotent paradox. Ty
iam_free
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8/11/2015 4:41:16 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 8/11/2015 4:29:50 PM, skipsaweirdo wrote:
Is anyone aware of any omnipotent paradoxes in regards to God. Please state paradox in a step by step progression and how it reveals the claimed paradox. Please no subjective threads concerning your feelings on what you think is evil or good. Simply state an example that you think exposes an omnipotent paradox. Ty : :

God is the creator of good and evil so there is no paradox. That's only an illusion in the minds of stupid people.
drpiek
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8/11/2015 5:02:40 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 8/11/2015 4:29:50 PM, skipsaweirdo wrote:
Is anyone aware of any omnipotent paradoxes in regards to God. Please state paradox in a step by step progression and how it reveals the claimed paradox. Please no subjective threads concerning your feelings on what you think is evil or good. Simply state an example that you think exposes an omnipotent paradox. Ty

Omnipotent paradox only exists if you describe omnipotent as "god can do anything"
If you describe it as "God has all powers that can be had" then there is no paradox.

The typical paradox used is could god create a stone that he cannot lift? Using the second description of omnipotent, this is not a power that exists or could be had, it is outside the realm of possibility.
iam_free
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8/11/2015 5:06:48 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 8/11/2015 5:02:40 PM, drpiek wrote:
At 8/11/2015 4:29:50 PM, skipsaweirdo wrote:
Is anyone aware of any omnipotent paradoxes in regards to God. Please state paradox in a step by step progression and how it reveals the claimed paradox. Please no subjective threads concerning your feelings on what you think is evil or good. Simply state an example that you think exposes an omnipotent paradox. Ty


Omnipotent paradox only exists if you describe omnipotent as "god can do anything"
If you describe it as "God has all powers that can be had" then there is no paradox.

The typical paradox used is could god create a stone that he cannot lift? Using the second description of omnipotent, this is not a power that exists or could be had, it is outside the realm of possibility. : :

If you could understand that stones are only illusions that aren't real, then you can understand how there is no paradox in God's ability to be omnipotent.
skipsaweirdo
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8/11/2015 5:18:45 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 8/11/2015 5:02:40 PM, drpiek wrote:
At 8/11/2015 4:29:50 PM, skipsaweirdo wrote:
Is anyone aware of any omnipotent paradoxes in regards to God. Please state paradox in a step by step progression and how it reveals the claimed paradox. Please no subjective threads concerning your feelings on what you think is evil or good. Simply state an example that you think exposes an omnipotent paradox. Ty


Omnipotent paradox only exists if you describe omnipotent as "god can do anything"
If you describe it as "God has all powers that can be had" then there is no paradox.

The typical paradox used is could god create a stone that he cannot lift? Using the second description of omnipotent, this is not a power that exists or could be had, it is outside the realm of possibility.

Actually the stone paradox isn't a paradox under any definition. It is merely a thinly veiled attempt at ignoring what entails or is included in the "ability to make the stone" then using semantics in regards to the act of lifting it and what that act entails.
Ill explain. NASA describes sending a man to the moon from the Earth has having a necessary step, liftoff. If God makes a stone of infinite weight in California, then God can also "unmake" the stone. God could then make the exact same stone on the moon. By defiNition, the act of making the stone includes the ability to move it. So the Oracle's wording is the same as saying can God make a stone that God cannot make.
skipsaweirdo
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8/11/2015 5:20:47 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 8/11/2015 5:18:45 PM, skipsaweirdo wrote:
At 8/11/2015 5:02:40 PM, drpiek wrote:
At 8/11/2015 4:29:50 PM, skipsaweirdo wrote:
Is anyone aware of any omnipotent paradoxes in regards to God. Please state paradox in a step by step progression and how it reveals the claimed paradox. Please no subjective threads concerning your feelings on what you think is evil or good. Simply state an example that you think exposes an omnipotent paradox. Ty


Omnipotent paradox only exists if you describe omnipotent as "god can do anything"
If you describe it as "God has all powers that can be had" then there is no paradox.

The typical paradox used is could god create a stone that he cannot lift? Using the second description of omnipotent, this is not a power that exists or could be had, it is outside the realm of possibility.

Actually the stone paradox isn't a paradox under any definition. It is merely a thinly veiled attempt at ignoring what entails or is included in the "ability to make the stone" then using semantics in regards to the act of lifting it and what that act entails.
Ill explain. NASA describes sending a man to the moon from the Earth has having a necessary step, liftoff. If God makes a stone of infinite weight in California, then God can also "unmake" the stone. God could then make the exact same stone on the moon. By defiNition, the act of making the stone includes the ability to move it. So the paradoxes wording is the same as saying can God make a stone that God cannot make.
Chaosism
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8/11/2015 5:25:59 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
I've heard these two before:

Can God create a square circle?

Can God create a being more powerful than Himself?
Logical-Master
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8/11/2015 5:26:07 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 8/11/2015 5:02:40 PM, drpiek wrote:
At 8/11/2015 4:29:50 PM, skipsaweirdo wrote:
Is anyone aware of any omnipotent paradoxes in regards to God. Please state paradox in a step by step progression and how it reveals the claimed paradox. Please no subjective threads concerning your feelings on what you think is evil or good. Simply state an example that you think exposes an omnipotent paradox. Ty


Omnipotent paradox only exists if you describe omnipotent as "god can do anything"
If you describe it as "God has all powers that can be had" then there is no paradox.

The typical paradox used is could god create a stone that he cannot lift? Using the second description of omnipotent, this is not a power that exists or could be had, it is outside the realm of possibility.

Which is basically the same as asking whether God can make a square-circle. Absurd question premised on the confines of language and also in complete disregard to the characteristics of God. The Bible points out a number of things God cannot do, thus clearly this strawman idea of omnipotence is irrelevant.
Chaosism
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8/11/2015 5:34:49 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 8/11/2015 5:26:07 PM, Logical-Master wrote:
At 8/11/2015 5:02:40 PM, drpiek wrote:
At 8/11/2015 4:29:50 PM, skipsaweirdo wrote:
Is anyone aware of any omnipotent paradoxes in regards to God. Please state paradox in a step by step progression and how it reveals the claimed paradox. Please no subjective threads concerning your feelings on what you think is evil or good. Simply state an example that you think exposes an omnipotent paradox. Ty


Omnipotent paradox only exists if you describe omnipotent as "god can do anything"
If you describe it as "God has all powers that can be had" then there is no paradox.

The typical paradox used is could god create a stone that he cannot lift? Using the second description of omnipotent, this is not a power that exists or could be had, it is outside the realm of possibility.

Which is basically the same as asking whether God can make a square-circle. Absurd question premised on the confines of language and also in complete disregard to the characteristics of God. The Bible points out a number of things God cannot do, thus clearly this strawman idea of omnipotence is irrelevant.

I agree on the language thing. I had a debate long ago about this but unfortunately, my opponent did not provide a good challenge to my thoughts.

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