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8/12/2015 10:55:26 PM
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Good to see you my brother Christians. I think it'd be a good idea to take turns picking Bible quotes and then discuss there meanings. especially some of the more curious ones. Im primary interested in the Words of Jesus as you know. this is really one of the main reasons I joined DDO a few weeks ago and Ive gotten away from it more than I should. Im also giving notice here than Im fairly done with arguing with Atheists. Im too busy and I get way enough chance to do that here at home and work! LOL Im going to stay in The Word alot more from now on. I hope you join me?
lets take this quote from Luke 12:49..........Jesus claims: "I have come to cast Fire over the Earth! And oh how I wish it were already kindled!"

Lets hear your thoughts. I'm saving mine for after ive gotten some of your ideas. God Bless you all!
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8/12/2015 11:04:29 PM
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Matthew 27:46 About three in the afternoon Jesus cried out in a loud voice, "Eli, Eli, lema sabachthani?" (which means "My God, my God, why have you forsaken me?").
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8/12/2015 11:06:41 PM
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Jesus was a racist.

Matthew 10:5 These twelve Jesus sent out with the following instructions: "Do not go among the Gentiles or enter any town of the Samaritans.
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8/12/2015 11:11:23 PM
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At 8/12/2015 11:06:41 PM, Harikrish wrote:
Jesus was a racist.

Matthew 10:5 These twelve Jesus sent out with the following instructions: "Do not go among the Gentiles or enter any town of the Samaritans.

That is not what this post is about.
At any rate, read verses 6-23.
Enough already.
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8/12/2015 11:12:49 PM
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At 8/12/2015 11:06:41 PM, Harikrish wrote:
Jesus was a racist.

Matthew 10:5 These twelve Jesus sent out with the following instructions: "Do not go among the Gentiles or enter any town of the Samaritans.

That doesn't mean Jesus was racist. For Christ's sake, he talked to a Samaritan woman and healed a Roman centurion's daughter.
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8/12/2015 11:14:19 PM
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At 8/12/2015 11:12:49 PM, Iredia wrote:
At 8/12/2015 11:06:41 PM, Harikrish wrote:
Jesus was a racist.

Matthew 10:5 These twelve Jesus sent out with the following instructions: "Do not go among the Gentiles or enter any town of the Samaritans.

That doesn't mean Jesus was racist. For Christ's sake, he talked to a Samaritan woman and healed a Roman centurion's daughter.

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8/12/2015 11:21:16 PM
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At 8/12/2015 11:12:49 PM, Iredia wrote:
At 8/12/2015 11:06:41 PM, Harikrish wrote:
Jesus was a racist.

Matthew 10:5 These twelve Jesus sent out with the following instructions: "Do not go among the Gentiles or enter any town of the Samaritans.

That doesn't mean Jesus was racist. For Christ's sake, he talked to a Samaritan woman and healed a Roman centurion's daughter.

And left out the Gentiles through his ministry.
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8/12/2015 11:30:16 PM
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Jesus was aware he was incoherent and inarticulate and promised it would change after his return. But we are still stuck with his problematic messages which has created 40,000 denominations of Christians and as many interpretations of his poorly articulated parables, until his return.

John 16: 25 "Though I have been speaking figuratively, a time is coming when I will no longer use this kind of language but will tell you plainly about my Father.
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8/12/2015 11:41:57 PM
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Do Christians know that before jesus was offered as human sacrifice for their salvation by God , he was offering a different way to eternal life. He was suggesting cannibalism.

John 6: 53 Jesus said to them, "Very truly I tell you, unless you eat the flesh of the Son of Man and drink his blood, you have no life in you. 54 Whoever eats my flesh and drinks my blood has eternal life, and I will raise them up at the last day. 55 For my flesh is real food and my blood is real drink.
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8/12/2015 11:44:39 PM
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At 8/12/2015 10:55:26 PM, August_Burns_Red wrote:

lets take this quote from Luke 12:49..........Jesus claims: "I have come to cast Fire over the Earth! And oh how I wish it were already kindled!"
He said this in reference to his work sharing the good news. Consider how Christ became "a stone that causes people to stumble and a rock that makes them fall" to the Jews.
"The afternoon came down as imperceptibly as age comes to a happy man. A little gold entered into the sunlight. The bay became bluer and dimpled with shore-wind ripples. Those lonely fishermen who believe that the fish bite at high tide left their rocks, and their places were taken by others, who were convinced that the fish bite at low tide." (John Steinbeck; Tortilla Flat, 1935)
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8/12/2015 11:46:02 PM
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At 8/12/2015 11:41:57 PM, Harikrish wrote:
Do Christians know that before jesus was offered as human sacrifice for their salvation by God , he was offering a different way to eternal life. He was suggesting cannibalism.

John 6: 53 Jesus said to them, "Very truly I tell you, unless you eat the flesh of the Son of Man and drink his blood, you have no life in you. 54 Whoever eats my flesh and drinks my blood has eternal life, and I will raise them up at the last day. 55 For my flesh is real food and my blood is real drink.
If you are going to bring up the elementary elements of the faith into discussion, then go to a children's Sunday school class.
"The afternoon came down as imperceptibly as age comes to a happy man. A little gold entered into the sunlight. The bay became bluer and dimpled with shore-wind ripples. Those lonely fishermen who believe that the fish bite at high tide left their rocks, and their places were taken by others, who were convinced that the fish bite at low tide." (John Steinbeck; Tortilla Flat, 1935)
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8/12/2015 11:59:14 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 8/12/2015 11:46:02 PM, tstor wrote:
At 8/12/2015 11:41:57 PM, Harikrish wrote:
Do Christians know that before jesus was offered as human sacrifice for their salvation by God , he was offering a different way to eternal life. He was suggesting cannibalism.

John 6: 53 Jesus said to them, "Very truly I tell you, unless you eat the flesh of the Son of Man and drink his blood, you have no life in you. 54 Whoever eats my flesh and drinks my blood has eternal life, and I will raise them up at the last day. 55 For my flesh is real food and my blood is real drink.
If you are going to bring up the elementary elements of the faith into discussion, then go to a children's Sunday school class.

The bible is not taught is schools because it does not meet the curriculum standards of our educational system. Nor does it meet the moral standards of society.

Incest is taught in the bible...Here are the verses.

Leviticus 18:6-12
'None of you shall approach any blood relative of his to uncover nakedness; I am the LORD. 'You shall not uncover the nakedness of your father, that is, the nakedness of your mother. She is your mother; you are not to uncover her nakedness. 'You shall not uncover the nakedness of your father's wife; it is your father's nakedness. read more.

Leviticus 18:10
Verse Concepts
'The nakedness of your son's daughter or your daughter's daughter, their nakedness you shall not uncover; for their nakedness is yours.

Leviticus 18:12-14
'You shall not uncover the nakedness of your father's sister; she is your father's blood relative. 'You shall not uncover the nakedness of your mother's sister, for she is your mother's blood relative. 'You shall not uncover the nakedness of your father's brother; you shall not approach his wife, she is your aunt.

Leviticus 18:15-16
'You shall not uncover the nakedness of your daughter-in-law; she is your son's wife, you shall not uncover her nakedness. 'You shall not uncover the nakedness of your brother's wife; it is your brother's nakedness.

Leviticus 18:17-18
'You shall not uncover the nakedness of a woman and of her daughter, nor shall you take her son's daughter or her daughter's daughter, to uncover her nakedness; they are blood relatives. It is lewdness. 'You shall not marry a woman in addition to her sister as a rival while she is alive, to uncover her nakedness.

Leviticus 20:11-17
'If there is a man who lies with his father's wife, he has uncovered his father's nakedness; both of them shall surely be put to death, their bloodguiltiness is upon them. 'If there is a man who lies with his daughter-in-law, both of them shall surely be put to death; they have committed incest, their bloodguiltiness is upon them. 'If there is a man who lies with a male as those who lie with a woman, both of them have committed a detestable act; they shall surely be put to death. Their bloodguiltiness is upon them. read more.

Leviticus 20:19-21
'You shall also not uncover the nakedness of your mother's sister or of your father's sister, for such a one has made naked his blood relative; they will bear their guilt. 'If there is a man who lies with his uncle's wife he has uncovered his uncle's nakedness; they will bear their sin. They will die childless. 'If there is a man who takes his brother's wife, it is abhorrent; he has uncovered his brother's nakedness. They will be childless.

Deuteronomy 27:20-23
Verse Concepts
'Cursed is he who lies with his father's wife, because he has uncovered his father's skirt.' And all the people shall say, 'Amen.' 'Cursed is he who lies with any animal.' And all the people shall say, 'Amen.' 'Cursed is he who lies with his sister, the daughter of his father or of his mother.' And all the people shall say, 'Amen.' read more.

Genesis 19:30-38
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Lot went up from Zoar, and stayed in the mountains, and his two daughters with him; for he was afraid to stay in Zoar; and he stayed in a cave, he and his two daughters. Then the firstborn said to the younger, "Our father is old, and there is not a man on earth to come in to us after the manner of the earth. "Come, let us make our father drink wine, and let us lie with him that we may preserve our family through our father." read more.

Genesis 35:22
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It came about while Israel was dwelling in that land, that Reuben went and lay with Bilhah his father's concubine, and Israel heard of it.
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8/13/2015 12:02:31 AM
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At 8/12/2015 11:59:14 PM, Harikrish wrote:

The bible is not taught is schools because it does not meet the curriculum standards of our educational system. Nor does it meet the moral standards of society.
It is taught in some private schools (such as Christian/Catholic school). However, I was speaking about a Sunday class. You know, when you go to church on Sunday and go into a classroom to learn about the Bible.

Incest is taught in the bible...Here are the verses.
Once again, if you are going to bring up elementary elements of the faith, then go to a children's Sunday school class. Most Christians are not going to hold your hand and explain everything to you on a forum. Especially on a thread that is addressed to Christians who are past those basic concepts.
"The afternoon came down as imperceptibly as age comes to a happy man. A little gold entered into the sunlight. The bay became bluer and dimpled with shore-wind ripples. Those lonely fishermen who believe that the fish bite at high tide left their rocks, and their places were taken by others, who were convinced that the fish bite at low tide." (John Steinbeck; Tortilla Flat, 1935)
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8/13/2015 12:26:29 AM
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At 8/12/2015 11:44:39 PM, tstor wrote:
At 8/12/2015 10:55:26 PM, August_Burns_Red wrote:

lets take this quote from Luke 12:49..........Jesus claims: "I have come to cast Fire over the Earth! And oh how I wish it were already kindled!"
He said this in reference to his work sharing the good news. Consider how Christ became "a stone that causes people to stumble and a rock that makes them fall" to the Jews.

Jesus is explicit about his mission. There is little ambiguity in his message in Luke 12:49

Luke 12:49..........Jesus claims: "I have come to cast Fire over the Earth! And oh how I wish it were already kindled!"

Jesus intended by the word fire, not only the consuming influence of the Roman sword,(to slash and burn) but also the influence of his own Spirit in the destruction of the family.

Which is better explained in Matthew 10:34 "Do not suppose that I have come to bring peace to the earth. I did not come to bring peace, but a sword.
35 For I have come to turn "'a man against his father, a daughter against her mother, a daughter-in-law against her mother-in-law--
36 a man's enemies will be the members of his own household.'
37 "Anyone who loves their father or mother more than me is not worthy of me; anyone who loves their son or daughter more than me is not worthy of me.

You can tell from his words he did it care about the family but wanted to be accepted at any cost and was willing to cause hatred and separation between the family members to achieve his goal. Discovering he was an illegitimate child might have contributed to his hatred for the traditional family.
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8/13/2015 12:34:05 AM
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At 8/13/2015 12:02:31 AM, tstor wrote:
At 8/12/2015 11:59:14 PM, Harikrish wrote:

The bible is not taught is schools because it does not meet the curriculum standards of our educational system. Nor does it meet the moral standards of society.
It is taught in some private schools (such as Christian/Catholic school). However, I was speaking about a Sunday class. You know, when you go to church on Sunday and go into a classroom to learn about the Bible.

Incest is taught in the bible...Here are the verses.
Once again, if you are going to bring up elementary elements of the faith, then go to a children's Sunday school class. Most Christians are not going to hold your hand and explain everything to you on a forum. Especially on a thread that is addressed to Christians who are past those basic concepts.

Not true. Bible illiteracy is very high among Christians.

80% of Churchgoers don't read the bible daily.
http://www.christianitytoday.com...
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8/13/2015 12:35:56 AM
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At 8/13/2015 12:02:31 AM, tstor wrote:
At 8/12/2015 11:59:14 PM, Harikrish wrote:

The bible is not taught is schools because it does not meet the curriculum standards of our educational system. Nor does it meet the moral standards of society.
It is taught in some private schools (such as Christian/Catholic school). However, I was speaking about a Sunday class. You know, when you go to church on Sunday and go into a classroom to learn about the Bible.

Incest is taught in the bible...Here are the verses.
Once again, if you are going to bring up elementary elements of the faith, then go to a children's Sunday school class. Most Christians are not going to hold your hand and explain everything to you on a forum. Especially on a thread that is addressed to Christians who are past those basic concepts.

I would if he was actually interested in learning.
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8/13/2015 12:44:32 AM
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At 8/13/2015 12:34:05 AM, Harikrish wrote:

Not true. Bible illiteracy is very high among Christians.

80% of Churchgoers don't read the bible daily.
http://www.christianitytoday.com...
Sad sight. Thanks for sharing the article.
"The afternoon came down as imperceptibly as age comes to a happy man. A little gold entered into the sunlight. The bay became bluer and dimpled with shore-wind ripples. Those lonely fishermen who believe that the fish bite at high tide left their rocks, and their places were taken by others, who were convinced that the fish bite at low tide." (John Steinbeck; Tortilla Flat, 1935)
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8/13/2015 12:44:34 AM
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At 8/13/2015 12:26:29 AM, Harikrish wrote:

Jesus is explicit about his mission. There is little ambiguity in his message in Luke 12:49

Luke 12:49..........Jesus claims: "I have come to cast Fire over the Earth! And oh how I wish it were already kindled!"

Jesus intended by the word fire, not only the consuming influence of the Roman sword,(to slash and burn) but also the influence of his own Spirit in the destruction of the family.
Every Christians knows that it not what he meant. Jesus used a lot of symbolism. We know that this is symbolism and not literal. If it were literal, then Jesus would be contradicting himself.

Which is better explained in Matthew 10:34 "Do not suppose that I have come to bring peace to the earth. I did not come to bring peace, but a sword.
35 For I have come to turn "'a man against his father, a daughter against her mother, a daughter-in-law against her mother-in-law--
36 a man's enemies will be the members of his own household.'
37 "Anyone who loves their father or mother more than me is not worthy of me; anyone who loves their son or daughter more than me is not worthy of me.

You can tell from his words he did it care about the family but wanted to be accepted at any cost and was willing to cause hatred and separation between the family members to achieve his goal. Discovering he was an illegitimate child might have contributed to his hatred for the traditional family.
I was actually just discussing this passage the other day. He was saying that his message was going to cause families to split. Some would follow him, others would not. Our Father in heaven is more important than our father on earth.
"The afternoon came down as imperceptibly as age comes to a happy man. A little gold entered into the sunlight. The bay became bluer and dimpled with shore-wind ripples. Those lonely fishermen who believe that the fish bite at high tide left their rocks, and their places were taken by others, who were convinced that the fish bite at low tide." (John Steinbeck; Tortilla Flat, 1935)
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8/13/2015 12:44:52 AM
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At 8/13/2015 12:35:56 AM, Geogeer wrote:

I would if he was actually interested in learning.
There is a time and place for everything. A thread on debate.org is not the most appropriate place to teach people. Much less a thread on debate.org that is addressing Christians directly. I would be more than willing to help him on topics if he is willing to put in research himself as well. Or if he asks at an appropriate time.
"The afternoon came down as imperceptibly as age comes to a happy man. A little gold entered into the sunlight. The bay became bluer and dimpled with shore-wind ripples. Those lonely fishermen who believe that the fish bite at high tide left their rocks, and their places were taken by others, who were convinced that the fish bite at low tide." (John Steinbeck; Tortilla Flat, 1935)
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8/13/2015 1:20:53 AM
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At 8/12/2015 11:44:39 PM, tstor wrote:
At 8/12/2015 10:55:26 PM, August_Burns_Red wrote:

lets take this quote from Luke 12:49..........Jesus claims: "I have come to cast Fire over the Earth! And oh how I wish it were already kindled!"
He said this in reference to his work sharing the good news. Consider how Christ became "a stone that causes people to stumble and a rock that makes them fall" to the Jews.

I think your on the right track, Tstor, but I like to take the ferocity of JCs words a couple steps further. I think He was using "fire" as a sort of metephor for 'fervor" or, oh I dont know, maybe the scalding intensity of the Holy Spirit. Of Him putting people in touch, in the Grace of God. His Father. and by Kindled meant He (jesus) was igniting the sparks for the Fire to spread. thats why He said He wished it were already kindled. "started"--He knew He had a long Road to hoe and much work to be done. And there would be deaths of His Followers. Sometimes I think Jesus felt overwhelmed a littl by His burden that God put on Him when He sent Him to Earth to Redeem us. Thank you for your reply, my brother. God Bless.
Tomorrow's forecast: God reigns and the Son shines!
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8/13/2015 1:31:30 AM
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At 8/13/2015 12:44:34 AM, tstor wrote:
At 8/13/2015 12:26:29 AM, Harikrish wrote:

Jesus is explicit about his mission. There is little ambiguity in his message in Luke 12:49

Luke 12:49..........Jesus claims: "I have come to cast Fire over the Earth! And oh how I wish it were already kindled!"

Jesus intended by the word fire, not only the consuming influence of the Roman sword,(to slash and burn) but also the influence of his own Spirit in the destruction of the family.
Every Christians knows that it not what he meant. Jesus used a lot of symbolism. We know that this is symbolism and not literal. If it were literal, then Jesus would be contradicting himself.

Which is better explained in Matthew 10:34 "Do not suppose that I have come to bring peace to the earth. I did not come to bring peace, but a sword.
35 For I have come to turn "'a man against his father, a daughter against her mother, a daughter-in-law against her mother-in-law--
36 a man's enemies will be the members of his own household.'
37 "Anyone who loves their father or mother more than me is not worthy of me; anyone who loves their son or daughter more than me is not worthy of me.

You can tell from his words he did it care about the family but wanted to be accepted at any cost and was willing to cause hatred and separation between the family members to achieve his goal. Discovering he was an illegitimate child might have contributed to his hatred for the traditional family.
I was actually just discussing this passage the other day. He was saying that his message was going to cause families to split. Some would follow him, others would not. Our Father in heaven is more important than our father on earth.

That is not how God in heaven felt. God loved the world.and his son.

John 3:16 For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life.

Jesus had anger issues and never ever called his earthly father Joseph his father.
He also had contempt for authority.

Matthew 23:9 And do not call anyone on earth 'father,' for you have one Father, and he is in heaven.
10 Nor are you to be called instructors, for you have one Instructor, the Messiah.
13 "Woe to you, teachers of the law and Pharisees, you hypocrites! You shut the door of the kingdom of heaven in people's faces. You yourselves do not enter, nor will you let those enter who are trying to.

His ministry only lasted 1-3 years and yet he wanted to cause chaos throw out everything for some kingdom in heaven. 2000 years later and we are still in the same place. Any wonder why the Jews put him to death for blasphemy. He was demonstrably a liar and lunatic and an anarchist.
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8/13/2015 2:03:02 AM
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At 8/13/2015 1:31:30 AM, Harikrish wrote:
At 8/13/2015 12:44:34 AM, tstor wrote:
At 8/13/2015 12:26:29 AM, Harikrish wrote:

Jesus is explicit about his mission. There is little ambiguity in his message in Luke 12:49

Luke 12:49..........Jesus claims: "I have come to cast Fire over the Earth! And oh how I wish it were already kindled!"

Jesus intended by the word fire, not only the consuming influence of the Roman sword,(to slash and burn) but also the influence of his own Spirit in the destruction of the family.
Every Christians knows that it not what he meant. Jesus used a lot of symbolism. We know that this is symbolism and not literal. If it were literal, then Jesus would be contradicting himself.

Which is better explained in Matthew 10:34 "Do not suppose that I have come to bring peace to the earth. I did not come to bring peace, but a sword.
35 For I have come to turn "'a man against his father, a daughter against her mother, a daughter-in-law against her mother-in-law--
36 a man's enemies will be the members of his own household.'
37 "Anyone who loves their father or mother more than me is not worthy of me; anyone who loves their son or daughter more than me is not worthy of me.

You can tell from his words he did it care about the family but wanted to be accepted at any cost and was willing to cause hatred and separation between the family members to achieve his goal. Discovering he was an illegitimate child might have contributed to his hatred for the traditional family.
I was actually just discussing this passage the other day. He was saying that his message was going to cause families to split. Some would follow him, others would not. Our Father in heaven is more important than our father on earth.

That is not how God in heaven felt. God loved the world.and his son.

John 3:16 For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life.

Jesus had anger issues and never ever called his earthly father Joseph his father.
He also had contempt for authority.

Matthew 23:9 And do not call anyone on earth 'father,' for you have one Father, and he is in heaven.
10 Nor are you to be called instructors, for you have one Instructor, the Messiah.
13 "Woe to you, teachers of the law and Pharisees, you hypocrites! You shut the door of the kingdom of heaven in people's faces. You yourselves do not enter, nor will you let those enter who are trying to.

His ministry only lasted 1-3 years and yet he wanted to cause chaos throw out everything for some kingdom in heaven. 2000 years later and we are still in the same place. Any wonder why the Jews put him to death for blasphemy. He was demonstrably a liar and lunatic and an anarchist.

Wow,what you dont know about Jesus of Nazareth is a lot, my brother. He DID NOT want to throw out everything. He said many times he "came to uphold the Law." But where He differed from the Pharisees and most other Rabbis was that they preached that man was beholden and made for the Law. JC of course said it was the other way around. Jesus also placed more emphasis on God's Grace than he did human rules and the Law. Make no mistake though, as a first century Palestinian Jewish man He read the Torah all the time and quoted from it and even based some of his parables from it. He just saw it had its limitations and was not the final authority. God was.
Tomorrow's forecast: God reigns and the Son shines!
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8/13/2015 2:40:52 AM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 8/12/2015 10:55:26 PM, August_Burns_Red wrote:
Good to see you my brother Christians. I think it'd be a good idea to take turns picking Bible quotes and then discuss there meanings. especially some of the more curious ones. Im primary interested in the Words of Jesus as you know. this is really one of the main reasons I joined DDO a few weeks ago and Ive gotten away from it more than I should. Im also giving notice here than Im fairly done with arguing with Atheists. Im too busy and I get way enough chance to do that here at home and work! LOL Im going to stay in The Word alot more from now on. I hope you join me?
lets take this quote from Luke 12:49..........Jesus claims: "I have come to cast Fire over the Earth! And oh how I wish it were already kindled!"

Lets hear your thoughts. I'm saving mine for after ive gotten some of your ideas. God Bless you all!

Fire represents passion.

Psalm39:3 My heart was hot within me, while I was musing the fire burned: then spake I with my tongue,

Psalm104:4 Who maketh his angels spirits; his ministers a flaming fire:

Pro 6:27 Can a man take fire in his bosom, and his clothes not be burned?

Sng 8:6 Set me as a seal upon thine heart, as a seal upon thine arm: for love is strong as death; jealousy is cruel as the grave: the coals thereof are coals of fire, which hath a most vehement flame.

It also represents judgment.

Isaiah 66:15 For, behold, the LORD will come with fire, and with his chariots like a whirlwind, to render his anger with fury, and his rebuke with flames of fire.

Matt 3:12 Whose fan is in his hand, and he will throughly purge his floor, and gather his wheat into the garner; but he will burn up the chaff with unquenchable fire.

Matt 7:19
Every tree that bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast into the fire.

Matt 13:42 And shall cast them into a furnace of fire: there shall be wailing and gnashing of teeth.

It also represents cleansing.

Num 31:23 Every thing that may abide the fire, ye shall make it go through the fire, and it shall be clean: nevertheless it shall be purified with the water of separation: and all that abideth not the fire ye shall make go through the water.

Mal 3:3 And he shall sit as a refiner and purifier of silver: and he shall purify the sons of Levi, and purge them as gold and silver, that they may offer unto the LORD an offering in righteousness.

1 Pet 1:7 That the trial of your faith, being much more precious than of gold that perisheth, though it be tried with fire, might be found unto praise and honour and glory at the appearing of Jesus Christ:

The "fire" is "hell" to the dross and "heaven" to the gold.

Deut 4:24 For the LORD thy God is a consuming fire, even a jealous God.

Heb 12:29 For our God is a consuming fire.

Many are consumed by a passion for an invisible supernatural entity which they idolize.
Few are consumed by the passion of TRUTH that ALL invisible supernatural entities are mythical and do not communicate with humans.

Many humans obviously communicate with invisible imaginary friends.
Their minds fool them into believing their invisible friends have supernatural powers.
They refuse to face and accept the TRUTH that no invisible supernatural characters exist in reality. They are all fantasy characters.

Most are consumed by fantasy.
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8/13/2015 2:47:03 AM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 8/13/2015 2:40:52 AM, Skyangel wrote:
At 8/12/2015 10:55:26 PM, August_Burns_Red wrote:
Good to see you my brother Christians. I think it'd be a good idea to take turns picking Bible quotes and then discuss there meanings. especially some of the more curious ones. Im primary interested in the Words of Jesus as you know. this is really one of the main reasons I joined DDO a few weeks ago and Ive gotten away from it more than I should. Im also giving notice here than Im fairly done with arguing with Atheists. Im too busy and I get way enough chance to do that here at home and work! LOL Im going to stay in The Word alot more from now on. I hope you join me?
lets take this quote from Luke 12:49..........Jesus claims: "I have come to cast Fire over the Earth! And oh how I wish it were already kindled!"

Lets hear your thoughts. I'm saving mine for after ive gotten some of your ideas. God Bless you all!

Fire represents passion.

Psalm39:3 My heart was hot within me, while I was musing the fire burned: then spake I with my tongue,

Psalm104:4 Who maketh his angels spirits; his ministers a flaming fire:

Pro 6:27 Can a man take fire in his bosom, and his clothes not be burned?

Sng 8:6 Set me as a seal upon thine heart, as a seal upon thine arm: for love is strong as death; jealousy is cruel as the grave: the coals thereof are coals of fire, which hath a most vehement flame.

It also represents judgment.

Isaiah 66:15 For, behold, the LORD will come with fire, and with his chariots like a whirlwind, to render his anger with fury, and his rebuke with flames of fire.

Matt 3:12 Whose fan is in his hand, and he will throughly purge his floor, and gather his wheat into the garner; but he will burn up the chaff with unquenchable fire.

Matt 7:19
Every tree that bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast into the fire.

Matt 13:42 And shall cast them into a furnace of fire: there shall be wailing and gnashing of teeth.


It also represents cleansing.

Num 31:23 Every thing that may abide the fire, ye shall make it go through the fire, and it shall be clean: nevertheless it shall be purified with the water of separation: and all that abideth not the fire ye shall make go through the water.

Mal 3:3 And he shall sit as a refiner and purifier of silver: and he shall purify the sons of Levi, and purge them as gold and silver, that they may offer unto the LORD an offering in righteousness.

1 Pet 1:7 That the trial of your faith, being much more precious than of gold that perisheth, though it be tried with fire, might be found unto praise and honour and glory at the appearing of Jesus Christ:

The "fire" is "hell" to the dross and "heaven" to the gold.

Deut 4:24 For the LORD thy God is a consuming fire, even a jealous God.

Heb 12:29 For our God is a consuming fire.

Many are consumed by a passion for an invisible supernatural entity which they idolize.
Few are consumed by the passion of TRUTH that ALL invisible supernatural entities are mythical and do not communicate with humans.


Many humans obviously communicate with invisible imaginary friends.
Their minds fool them into believing their invisible friends have supernatural powers.
They refuse to face and accept the TRUTH that no invisible supernatural characters exist in reality. They are all fantasy characters.

Most are consumed by fantasy.

yeah....the fire and passion thing. that's what I thought it was in my 2nd post of my thread when I answered Tstor. Jesus was alot more fiery than many people know. He wasnt all meek and mild. (see my signature.) and also back then "meek" meant "poor" anyway, so His beatitudes were referring to the poor. I think He knew better than the "meek" as we use it today would inherit the Earth. He knew that sometimes God's Soldiers need to kick a little asss and take a few names. LOL. God Bless.
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8/13/2015 2:51:35 AM
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At 8/12/2015 11:04:29 PM, Harikrish wrote:
Matthew 27:46 About three in the afternoon Jesus cried out in a loud voice, "Eli, Eli, lema sabachthani?" (which means "My God, my God, why have you forsaken me?").

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For me he's either quoting King David showing he empathises with humanitiy's plite or David prophecied Christ's words from the cross. Then maybe, Jesus felt the abandonment, the weight of the world, and though pure and perfect, showed his humaness through torturing pain.
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8/13/2015 2:54:29 AM
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At 8/13/2015 2:40:52 AM, Skyangel wrote:
At 8/12/2015 10:55:26 PM, August_Burns_Red wrote:
Good to see you my brother Christians. I think it'd be a good idea to take turns picking Bible quotes and then discuss there meanings. especially some of the more curious ones. Im primary interested in the Words of Jesus as you know. this is really one of the main reasons I joined DDO a few weeks ago and Ive gotten away from it more than I should. Im also giving notice here than Im fairly done with arguing with Atheists. Im too busy and I get way enough chance to do that here at home and work! LOL Im going to stay in The Word alot more from now on. I hope you join me?
lets take this quote from Luke 12:49..........Jesus claims: "I have come to cast Fire over the Earth! And oh how I wish it were already kindled!"

Lets hear your thoughts. I'm saving mine for after ive gotten some of your ideas. God Bless you all!

Fire represents passion.

Psalm39:3 My heart was hot within me, while I was musing the fire burned: then spake I with my tongue,

Psalm104:4 Who maketh his angels spirits; his ministers a flaming fire:

Pro 6:27 Can a man take fire in his bosom, and his clothes not be burned?

Sng 8:6 Set me as a seal upon thine heart, as a seal upon thine arm: for love is strong as death; jealousy is cruel as the grave: the coals thereof are coals of fire, which hath a most vehement flame.

It also represents judgment.

Isaiah 66:15 For, behold, the LORD will come with fire, and with his chariots like a whirlwind, to render his anger with fury, and his rebuke with flames of fire.

Matt 3:12 Whose fan is in his hand, and he will throughly purge his floor, and gather his wheat into the garner; but he will burn up the chaff with unquenchable fire.

Matt 7:19
Every tree that bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast into the fire.

Matt 13:42 And shall cast them into a furnace of fire: there shall be wailing and gnashing of teeth.


It also represents cleansing.

Num 31:23 Every thing that may abide the fire, ye shall make it go through the fire, and it shall be clean: nevertheless it shall be purified with the water of separation: and all that abideth not the fire ye shall make go through the water.

Mal 3:3 And he shall sit as a refiner and purifier of silver: and he shall purify the sons of Levi, and purge them as gold and silver, that they may offer unto the LORD an offering in righteousness.

1 Pet 1:7 That the trial of your faith, being much more precious than of gold that perisheth, though it be tried with fire, might be found unto praise and honour and glory at the appearing of Jesus Christ:

The "fire" is "hell" to the dross and "heaven" to the gold.

Deut 4:24 For the LORD thy God is a consuming fire, even a jealous God.

Heb 12:29 For our God is a consuming fire.

Many are consumed by a passion for an invisible supernatural entity which they idolize.
Few are consumed by the passion of TRUTH that ALL invisible supernatural entities are mythical and do not communicate with humans.


Many humans obviously communicate with invisible imaginary friends.
Their minds fool them into believing their invisible friends have supernatural powers.
They refuse to face and accept the TRUTH that no invisible supernatural characters exist in reality. They are all fantasy characters.

Most are consumed by fantasy.

This is only if you define the words "fire", "burn", or the like as just "passion." You could argue for some, that the fire is the gospel, the zeal towards God that God has put in man, God's judgement and wrath, a symbol of purging and cleansing and atonement, and other likenesses. You could say that passion is a "fire", but that's not all that's being taught in these verses.
A consuming fire, for instance, is one that cannot be put out and burns out all obstacles: wickedness and etc. Hence, Hebrews says God is a consuming fire, and rightly so for He does get rid of all obstacles, and He cannot be stopped.

I have trouble realizing what about this is a fantasy. Would you mind telling the TRUTH, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth?
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8/13/2015 3:13:40 AM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 8/13/2015 2:47:03 AM, August_Burns_Red wrote:
At 8/13/2015 2:40:52 AM, Skyangel wrote:

Many humans obviously communicate with invisible imaginary friends.
Their minds fool them into believing their invisible friends have supernatural powers.
They refuse to face and accept the TRUTH that no invisible supernatural characters exist in reality. They are all fantasy characters.

Most are consumed by fantasy.

yeah....the fire and passion thing. that's what I thought it was in my 2nd post of my thread when I answered Tstor. Jesus was alot more fiery than many people know. He wasnt all meek and mild. (see my signature.) and also back then "meek" meant "poor" anyway, so His beatitudes were referring to the poor. I think He knew better than the "meek" as we use it today would inherit the Earth. He knew that sometimes God's Soldiers need to kick a little asss and take a few names. LOL. God Bless.

What does " inherit the Earth " mean to you?
The Earth as a planet is already under the control of humans who make a total mess of things.
Humans make the humans laws for humans to live by, judge and condemn each other for not living up to their personal human expectations etc.
Nature takes care of things that humans cannot control.

Who exactly are "Gods soldiers" in your perception and judgment?
All people who claim to believe in an invisible supernatural character vs those who do not?
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8/13/2015 3:29:47 AM
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At 8/13/2015 2:54:29 AM, ReformedPresbyterian72598 wrote:
At 8/13/2015 2:40:52 AM, Skyangel wrote:

Most are consumed by fantasy.

This is only if you define the words "fire", "burn", or the like as just "passion." You could argue for some, that the fire is the gospel, the zeal towards God that God has put in man, God's judgement and wrath, a symbol of purging and cleansing and atonement, and other likenesses. You could say that passion is a "fire", but that's not all that's being taught in these verses.

People can have a passion for anything at all. Whatever consumes them is the thing that controls them. For some it is drugs and alcohol. For some, it is sports, or entertainment. For others it is the love of money which motivates them to become workaholics. For many it is the love of invisible characters which they idolize. It causes them to become worshipers of invisible idols and believe an invisible character will punish them if they don't believe in him and obey his rules.
Passion is addictive. Many people are obviously addicted to invisible friends.

A consuming fire, for instance, is one that cannot be put out and burns out all obstacles: wickedness and etc. Hence, Hebrews says God is a consuming fire, and rightly so for He does get rid of all obstacles, and He cannot be stopped.

God is not a "He" or a "She" but an "IT"
God is a principle of living. A process. A WAY of LIFE. You cannot talk to the principle and expect it to listen to you any better than you can talk to LOVE itself and expect it to listen to you. You can only talk to other people who understand your language if you wish to be understood by them.
Obviously not humans understand each other, not even if they speak the same language. Miscommunication still happens due to humans perception and imagination and interpretation of meanings of words.

I have trouble realizing what about this is a fantasy. Would you mind telling the TRUTH, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth?

Sure. The TRUTH is that ALL invisible characters with supernatural or super human powers are MYTHS. They are a fantasy. They are human creations and human personifications of the forces of the universe and the attitudes within humans themselves.
Spirits are human attitudes.
People who talk to invisible supernatural friends are mentally immature and obviously do not understand the concept that humans personify their own attitudes ( Love, Hate, etc ) as good and evil gods or spirits.
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8/13/2015 4:27:16 AM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 8/13/2015 1:31:30 AM, Harikrish wrote:

That is not how God in heaven felt. God loved the world.and his son.

John 3:16 For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life.

Jesus had anger issues and never ever called his earthly father Joseph his father.
He also had contempt for authority.

Matthew 23:9 And do not call anyone on earth 'father,' for you have one Father, and he is in heaven.
10 Nor are you to be called instructors, for you have one Instructor, the Messiah.
13 "Woe to you, teachers of the law and Pharisees, you hypocrites! You shut the door of the kingdom of heaven in people's faces. You yourselves do not enter, nor will you let those enter who are trying to.
How does this disagree with what I said?
"The afternoon came down as imperceptibly as age comes to a happy man. A little gold entered into the sunlight. The bay became bluer and dimpled with shore-wind ripples. Those lonely fishermen who believe that the fish bite at high tide left their rocks, and their places were taken by others, who were convinced that the fish bite at low tide." (John Steinbeck; Tortilla Flat, 1935)
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8/13/2015 4:54:33 AM
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At 8/13/2015 12:02:31 AM, tstor wrote:
At 8/12/2015 11:59:14 PM, Harikrish wrote:

The bible is not taught is schools because it does not meet the curriculum standards of our educational system. Nor does it meet the moral standards of society.
It is taught in some private schools (such as Christian/Catholic school). However, I was speaking about a Sunday class. You know, when you go to church on Sunday and go into a classroom to learn about the Bible.

Incest is taught in the bible...Here are the verses.
Once again, if you are going to bring up elementary elements of the faith, then go to a children's Sunday school class. Most Christians are not going to hold your hand and explain everything to you on a forum. Especially on a thread that is addressed to Christians who are past those basic concepts.

In all fairness, I doubt he would be able to have a discussion in a children's Sunday school class about whether the Bible condones incest. I think a forum is a great place to discuss such things.
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