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8/14/2015 1:55:24 PM
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Why are we asking about God in a presidential debate?
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8/14/2015 2:20:27 PM
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At 8/14/2015 1:55:24 PM, Skepticalone wrote:
Why are we asking about God in a presidential debate?

Because there are so many religious groups violating the law and getting involved in politics. Our representative republic system of government is particularly vulnerable to the vocal minority appearing to have more influence that it actually does.

Additionally, the IRS is afraid to strip their tax exempt status from them despite their blatant disregard for the rules requiring them to stay out of politics due to their disproportionate political power. Note my sig. What it fails to mention is that most theist belief systems will seek political power to enforce their rules on everyone. Islam and Christianity are two perfect examples.
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8/14/2015 2:37:42 PM
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At 8/14/2015 2:20:27 PM, dhardage wrote:
At 8/14/2015 1:55:24 PM, Skepticalone wrote:
Why are we asking about God in a presidential debate?

Because there are so many religious groups violating the law and getting involved in politics. Our representative republic system of government is particularly vulnerable to the vocal minority appearing to have more influence that it actually does.

That is exactly right - although I'm not sure if it is a minority. There is absolutely no reason for God to be mentioned at a debate for those who hope to be a major representative of a secular government. "In a reasonable world, such a question would not be asked of serious candidates."

http://www.patheos.com...

Additionally, the IRS is afraid to strip their tax exempt status from them despite their blatant disregard for the rules requiring them to stay out of politics due to their disproportionate political power. Note my sig. What it fails to mention is that most theist belief systems will seek political power to enforce their rules on everyone. Islam and Christianity are two perfect examples.
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8/14/2015 4:44:33 PM
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8/14/2015 5:06:39 PM
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At 8/14/2015 2:37:42 PM, Skepticalone wrote:
At 8/14/2015 2:20:27 PM, dhardage wrote:
At 8/14/2015 1:55:24 PM, Skepticalone wrote:
Why are we asking about God in a presidential debate?

Because there are so many religious groups violating the law and getting involved in politics. Our representative republic system of government is particularly vulnerable to the vocal minority appearing to have more influence that it actually does.

That is exactly right - although I'm not sure if it is a minority. There is absolutely no reason for God to be mentioned at a debate for those who hope to be a major representative of a secular government. "In a reasonable world, such a question would not be asked of serious candidates."

It must be or we'd have a Republican president and the party would be quickly turning the clock back to 1750 or so.

http://www.patheos.com...

Additionally, the IRS is afraid to strip their tax exempt status from them despite their blatant disregard for the rules requiring them to stay out of politics due to their disproportionate political power. Note my sig. What it fails to mention is that most theist belief systems will seek political power to enforce their rules on everyone. Islam and Christianity are two perfect examples.
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8/14/2015 5:29:26 PM
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At 8/14/2015 1:55:24 PM, Skepticalone wrote:
Why are we asking about God in a presidential debate?

You don't see any value in asking how the candidates relate their religion to their political actions?
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8/14/2015 5:35:14 PM
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At 8/14/2015 2:20:27 PM, dhardage wrote:
At 8/14/2015 1:55:24 PM, Skepticalone wrote:
Why are we asking about God in a presidential debate?

Because there are so many religious groups violating the law and getting involved in politics. Our representative republic system of government is particularly vulnerable to the vocal minority appearing to have more influence that it actually does.

You're right. Atheists make up around than 3% of the population but have a disproportionate influence in media.

Additionally, the IRS is afraid to strip their tax exempt status from them despite their blatant disregard for the rules requiring them to stay out of politics due to their disproportionate political power.

Not the case. Churches can engage in some lobbying. Whether or not they have overreached is up to the IRS (http://www.irs.gov...). Both liberal and conservative churches lobby. By your definition, liberal churches advocating the end of the death penalty and anti-LGBT discrimination ordinances are in violation.

Note my sig. What it fails to mention is that most theist belief systems will seek political power to enforce their rules on everyone. Islam and Christianity are two perfect examples.

So did atheists Mao Zedong, Pol Pot, and Josef Stalin.
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8/14/2015 5:39:31 PM
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At 8/14/2015 1:55:24 PM, Skepticalone wrote:
Why are we asking about God in a presidential debate?

Because Americans are fearful their leaders are too dumb to lead without God/divine help. Now atheists might argue look at the damage Bush W a born again Christian did to America by foolishly invading Iraq and wasting blood and treasure (trillions) and crashing the US economy and borrowing from China to pay for a war America could not afford. The problem with that argument the Christian will counter is atheists are not considering how much more damage Bush W would have done without God's guidance.
That is a strong argument justifying the actions of Bush W that Jeb Bush his brother hopes to tap into that appeals to simple minded Christians about the role of God in American politics.

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8/14/2015 5:41:20 PM
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At 8/14/2015 1:55:24 PM, Skepticalone wrote:
Why are we asking about God in a presidential debate?

Because some are believing now that Donald Trump is our Lord and Savior.
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8/14/2015 6:20:37 PM
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At 8/14/2015 5:35:14 PM, TN05 wrote:
At 8/14/2015 2:20:27 PM, dhardage wrote:
At 8/14/2015 1:55:24 PM, Skepticalone wrote:
Why are we asking about God in a presidential debate?

Because there are so many religious groups violating the law and getting involved in politics. Our representative republic system of government is particularly vulnerable to the vocal minority appearing to have more influence that it actually does.

You're right. Atheists make up around than 3% of the population but have a disproportionate influence in media.

Prove it. What atheist voice do you hear in the media? Be specific, please?

Additionally, the IRS is afraid to strip their tax exempt status from them despite their blatant disregard for the rules requiring them to stay out of politics due to their disproportionate political power.

Not the case. Churches can engage in some lobbying.

They cannot directly support any candidate or candidates.

Whether or not they have overreached is up to the IRS (http://www.irs.gov...).

Yep. That does not in any way negate my statement.

Both liberal and conservative churches lobby. By your definition, liberal churches advocating the end of the death penalty and anti-LGBT discrimination ordinances are in violation.

Uh, no. Those are not candidates for office.

Note my sig. What it fails to mention is that most theist belief systems will seek political power to enforce their rules on everyone. Islam and Christianity are two perfect examples.

So did atheists Mao Zedong, Pol Pot, and Josef Stalin.

And they had absolutist regimes that discouraged free thought and criticism of their organizations, just like most religious groups. Mao had his little red book, you have your holy writ. Same principle. They did what they did in the name of 'communisim' or 'socialism' or 'Maoism'. Nowhere will you find them saying they did it in the name of atheism.
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8/14/2015 6:35:37 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 8/14/2015 5:29:26 PM, TN05 wrote:
At 8/14/2015 1:55:24 PM, Skepticalone wrote:
Why are we asking about God in a presidential debate?

You don't see any value in asking how the candidates relate their religion to their political actions?

The answer to that question is obviously, none at all as they shouldn't be relating their religion to their political actions, which should not even be required to ask.
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8/14/2015 8:12:14 PM
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At 8/14/2015 5:35:14 PM, TN05 wrote:

You're right. Atheists make up around than 3% of the population but have a disproportionate influence in media.


I'll agree with the "around 3%". However, on what do you base your statement that we "have a disproportionate influence in media."?
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8/14/2015 8:36:10 PM
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At 8/14/2015 1:55:24 PM, Skepticalone wrote:
Why are we asking about God in a presidential debate?

I think if I am going to support my leader, I should know what his/her values are. Also the fact that we have freedom of speech, and freedom of religion in the constitution, which involves the government (the constitution that is, along with Bill of Rights). So if I'm going to vote for someone, I'd like to know some of their values, and how they would lead the country. Yes it's a secular government, and I don't expect our President to run the country like a church, but if people are going to support someone, I think it's only fair to wonder what type of man or woman they are.
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8/14/2015 9:04:43 PM
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At 8/14/2015 6:20:37 PM, dhardage wrote:
At 8/14/2015 5:35:14 PM, TN05 wrote:
At 8/14/2015 2:20:27 PM, dhardage wrote:
At 8/14/2015 1:55:24 PM, Skepticalone wrote:
Why are we asking about God in a presidential debate?

Because there are so many religious groups violating the law and getting involved in politics. Our representative republic system of government is particularly vulnerable to the vocal minority appearing to have more influence that it actually does.

You're right. Atheists make up around than 3% of the population but have a disproportionate influence in media.

Prove it. What atheist voice do you hear in the media? Be specific, please?

A solid chunk of liberal and libertarian commentators.

Additionally, the IRS is afraid to strip their tax exempt status from them despite their blatant disregard for the rules requiring them to stay out of politics due to their disproportionate political power.

Not the case. Churches can engage in some lobbying.

They cannot directly support any candidate or candidates.

Which churches have been directly endorsing candidates?

Whether or not they have overreached is up to the IRS (http://www.irs.gov...).

Yep. That does not in any way negate my statement.

It does because your comment was incorrect.

Both liberal and conservative churches lobby. By your definition, liberal churches advocating the end of the death penalty and anti-LGBT discrimination ordinances are in violation.

Uh, no. Those are not candidates for office.

The IRS says it applies to legislation.

Note my sig. What it fails to mention is that most theist belief systems will seek political power to enforce their rules on everyone. Islam and Christianity are two perfect examples.

So did atheists Mao Zedong, Pol Pot, and Josef Stalin.

And they had absolutist regimes that discouraged free thought and criticism of their organizations, just like most religious groups. Mao had his little red book, you have your holy writ. Same principle.

Not really, no. The Bible is entirely up to my interpretation... Mao's book is not.

They did what they did in the name of 'communisim' or 'socialism' or 'Maoism'. Nowhere will you find them saying they did it in the name of atheism.

And here we go with this charade. Because atheist regimes killed tens of millions of people in the 1900s alone, you have to argue only deaths specifically due to atheism count. It's the atheist version of the 'no true scotsman' fallacy. Accordingly, when a communist dictator kills millions in the name of communism (an ideology that is explicitly atheist according to Marx), it's totally a coincidence it was an atheist that was responsible for it.

Even by your ridiculous criteria, at the very least the murder of 12 to 20 million Christians in the Soviet Union qualifies (https://en.wikipedia.org...). You could also count the cultural genocide of religious people in China, including the destruction of Buddhist temples and repression in Tibet.
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8/14/2015 9:06:00 PM
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At 8/14/2015 6:35:37 PM, DanneJeRusse wrote:
At 8/14/2015 5:29:26 PM, TN05 wrote:
At 8/14/2015 1:55:24 PM, Skepticalone wrote:
Why are we asking about God in a presidential debate?

You don't see any value in asking how the candidates relate their religion to their political actions?

The answer to that question is obviously, none at all as they shouldn't be relating their religion to their political actions, which should not even be required to ask.

Why shouldn't they be relating their life philosophy to politics? I would imagine anyone running for office incorporates their personal beliefs.
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8/14/2015 9:15:58 PM
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At 8/14/2015 9:04:43 PM, TN05 wrote:
At 8/14/2015 6:20:37 PM, dhardage wrote:
At 8/14/2015 5:35:14 PM, TN05 wrote:
At 8/14/2015 2:20:27 PM, dhardage wrote:
At 8/14/2015 1:55:24 PM, Skepticalone wrote:
Why are we asking about God in a presidential debate?

Because there are so many religious groups violating the law and getting involved in politics. Our representative republic system of government is particularly vulnerable to the vocal minority appearing to have more influence that it actually does.

You're right. Atheists make up around than 3% of the population but have a disproportionate influence in media.

Prove it. What atheist voice do you hear in the media? Be specific, please?

A solid chunk of liberal and libertarian commentators.

That's a semantically null statement. You specifically said atheists, not liberal and libertarian. Now, please list at least a few of these voices you claim are atheist?

Additionally, the IRS is afraid to strip their tax exempt status from them despite their blatant disregard for the rules requiring them to stay out of politics due to their disproportionate political power.

Not the case. Churches can engage in some lobbying.

They cannot directly support any candidate or candidates.

Which churches have been directly endorsing candidates?

Whether or not they have overreached is up to the IRS (http://www.irs.gov...).

Yep. That does not in any way negate my statement.

It does because your comment was incorrect.

Both liberal and conservative churches lobby. By your definition, liberal churches advocating the end of the death penalty and anti-LGBT discrimination ordinances are in violation.

Uh, no. Those are not candidates for office.

The IRS says it applies to legislation.

Then it's further reaching than I imagined. I will do more research.

Note my sig. What it fails to mention is that most theist belief systems will seek political power to enforce their rules on everyone. Islam and Christianity are two perfect examples.

So did atheists Mao Zedong, Pol Pot, and Josef Stalin.

And they had absolutist regimes that discouraged free thought and criticism of their organizations, just like most religious groups. Mao had his little red book, you have your holy writ. Same principle.

Not really, no. The Bible is entirely up to my interpretation... Mao's book is not.

They did what they did in the name of 'communisim' or 'socialism' or 'Maoism'. Nowhere will you find them saying they did it in the name of atheism.

And here we go with this charade. Because atheist regimes killed tens of millions of people in the 1900s alone, you have to argue only deaths specifically due to atheism count.

I never said they didn't count. EVERY human life counts. I was pointing out the difference in killing in the name of atheism and killing done by an atheist regime. Tell me, how many people have been killed in the name of your god?

It's the atheist version of the 'no true scotsman' fallacy. Accordingly, when a communist dictator kills millions in the name of communism (an ideology that is explicitly atheist according to Marx), it's totally a coincidence it was an atheist that was responsible for it.

Even by your ridiculous criteria, at the very least the murder of 12 to 20 million Christians in the Soviet Union qualifies (https://en.wikipedia.org...). You could also count the cultural genocide of religious people in China, including the destruction of Buddhist temples and repression in Tibet.

Again, not done for 'atheist' purposes but for purposes of control. EVERY absolutist regime, even those with the backing of some particular church, will squash those who oppose it if they can. It's not about belief, it's about control. You still can't point to a single war that was started in the name of atheism.
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8/14/2015 10:37:50 PM
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At 8/14/2015 9:15:58 PM, dhardage wrote:
At 8/14/2015 9:04:43 PM, TN05 wrote:
At 8/14/2015 6:20:37 PM, dhardage wrote:
At 8/14/2015 5:35:14 PM, TN05 wrote:
At 8/14/2015 2:20:27 PM, dhardage wrote:
At 8/14/2015 1:55:24 PM, Skepticalone wrote:
Why are we asking about God in a presidential debate?

Because there are so many religious groups violating the law and getting involved in politics. Our representative republic system of government is particularly vulnerable to the vocal minority appearing to have more influence that it actually does.

You're right. Atheists make up around than 3% of the population but have a disproportionate influence in media.

Prove it. What atheist voice do you hear in the media? Be specific, please?

A solid chunk of liberal and libertarian commentators.

That's a semantically null statement. You specifically said atheists, not liberal and libertarian. Now, please list at least a few of these voices you claim are atheist?

Liberal and libertarians who are atheist. Off the top of my head (not saying I dislike all of them, BTW): Bill Maher, Penn Jillette, SE Cupp, and Richard Dawkins.

Additionally, the IRS is afraid to strip their tax exempt status from them despite their blatant disregard for the rules requiring them to stay out of politics due to their disproportionate political power.

Not the case. Churches can engage in some lobbying.

They cannot directly support any candidate or candidates.

Which churches have been directly endorsing candidates?

Whether or not they have overreached is up to the IRS (http://www.irs.gov...).

Yep. That does not in any way negate my statement.

It does because your comment was incorrect.

Both liberal and conservative churches lobby. By your definition, liberal churches advocating the end of the death penalty and anti-LGBT discrimination ordinances are in violation.

Uh, no. Those are not candidates for office.

The IRS says it applies to legislation.

Then it's further reaching than I imagined. I will do more research.

Search the link I gave. It's official IRS.

Note my sig. What it fails to mention is that most theist belief systems will seek political power to enforce their rules on everyone. Islam and Christianity are two perfect examples.

So did atheists Mao Zedong, Pol Pot, and Josef Stalin.

And they had absolutist regimes that discouraged free thought and criticism of their organizations, just like most religious groups. Mao had his little red book, you have your holy writ. Same principle.

Not really, no. The Bible is entirely up to my interpretation... Mao's book is not.

They did what they did in the name of 'communisim' or 'socialism' or 'Maoism'. Nowhere will you find them saying they did it in the name of atheism.

And here we go with this charade. Because atheist regimes killed tens of millions of people in the 1900s alone, you have to argue only deaths specifically due to atheism count.

I never said they didn't count. EVERY human life counts. I was pointing out the difference in killing in the name of atheism and killing done by an atheist regime. Tell me, how many people have been killed in the name of your god?

It's the atheist version of the 'no true scotsman' fallacy. Accordingly, when a communist dictator kills millions in the name of communism (an ideology that is explicitly atheist according to Marx), it's totally a coincidence it was an atheist that was responsible for it.

Even by your ridiculous criteria, at the very least the murder of 12 to 20 million Christians in the Soviet Union qualifies (https://en.wikipedia.org...). You could also count the cultural genocide of religious people in China, including the destruction of Buddhist temples and repression in Tibet.

Again, not done for 'atheist' purposes but for purposes of control. EVERY absolutist regime, even those with the backing of some particular church, will squash those who oppose it if they can. It's not about belief, it's about control. You still can't point to a single war that was started in the name of atheism.

So killing 12-20 million Christians for their religious beliefs and destroying religious temples and leaders isn't religious? And you never asked me to point out a war.
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8/14/2015 10:41:27 PM
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At 8/14/2015 5:29:26 PM, TN05 wrote:
At 8/14/2015 1:55:24 PM, Skepticalone wrote:
Why are we asking about God in a presidential debate?

You don't see any value in asking how the candidates relate their religion to their political actions?

Irrational personal beliefs should have nothing to do with their rational decisions affecting millions of people.
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8/14/2015 11:41:02 PM
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At 8/14/2015 10:41:27 PM, Skepticalone wrote:
At 8/14/2015 5:29:26 PM, TN05 wrote:
At 8/14/2015 1:55:24 PM, Skepticalone wrote:
Why are we asking about God in a presidential debate?

You don't see any value in asking how the candidates relate their religion to their political actions?

Irrational personal beliefs should have nothing to do with their rational decisions affecting millions of people.

I agree, so liberalism should be banned as well.
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8/14/2015 11:47:25 PM
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At 8/14/2015 1:55:24 PM, Skepticalone wrote:
Why are we asking about God in a presidential debate?

MURICA !!! That's why.
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8/15/2015 1:34:27 AM
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At 8/14/2015 11:41:02 PM, TN05 wrote:
At 8/14/2015 10:41:27 PM, Skepticalone wrote:
At 8/14/2015 5:29:26 PM, TN05 wrote:
At 8/14/2015 1:55:24 PM, Skepticalone wrote:
Why are we asking about God in a presidential debate?

You don't see any value in asking how the candidates relate their religion to their political actions?

Irrational personal beliefs should have nothing to do with their rational decisions affecting millions of people.

I agree, so liberalism should be banned as well.

Lol, I didn't expect you to concede belief in god that easy. ;-)
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8/15/2015 2:00:44 AM
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At 8/14/2015 1:55:24 PM, Skepticalone wrote:
Why are we asking about God in a presidential debate?

Who's asking? I haven't been keeping up with those debates and I have a pretty low tolerance for most politicians. I can also offer my opinion here that I think "God" doesn't belong in those things. And also that God Himself probly also has a very low tolerance for most of those guys, He'd probly favor those ones who don't invoke His name in their political retoric. God Bless.
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8/15/2015 2:06:40 AM
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At 8/14/2015 8:36:10 PM, Todd0611 wrote:
At 8/14/2015 1:55:24 PM, Skepticalone wrote:
Why are we asking about God in a presidential debate?

I think if I am going to support my leader, I should know what his/her values are. Also the fact that we have freedom of speech, and freedom of religion in the constitution, which involves the government (the constitution that is, along with Bill of Rights). So if I'm going to vote for someone, I'd like to know some of their values, and how they would lead the country. Yes it's a secular government, and I don't expect our President to run the country like a church, but if people are going to support someone, I think it's only fair to wonder what type of man or woman they are.

I agree that it is fair to wonder what kind of man or woman a candidate is, but I don't agree that their claimed religious beliefs when put on the spot in front of a majority Christian nation is the way to determine it. The question is simply allowing the candidates to pander to their potential constituents, and possibly reinforcing the precedent that candidates should be (or at least pretend to be) religious.
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8/15/2015 2:11:58 AM
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At 8/15/2015 2:00:44 AM, August_Burns_Red wrote:
At 8/14/2015 1:55:24 PM, Skepticalone wrote:
Why are we asking about God in a presidential debate?

Who's asking? I haven't been keeping up with those debates and I have a pretty low tolerance for most politicians. I can also offer my opinion here that I think "God" doesn't belong in those things. And also that God Himself probly also has a very low tolerance for most of those guys, He'd probly favor those ones who don't invoke His name in their political retoric. God Bless.

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8/15/2015 2:22:08 AM
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At 8/15/2015 2:11:58 AM, Skepticalone wrote:
At 8/15/2015 2:00:44 AM, August_Burns_Red wrote:
At 8/14/2015 1:55:24 PM, Skepticalone wrote:
Why are we asking about God in a presidential debate?

Who's asking? I haven't been keeping up with those debates and I have a pretty low tolerance for most politicians. I can also offer my opinion here that I think "God" doesn't belong in those things. And also that God Himself probly also has a very low tolerance for most of those guys, He'd probly favor those ones who don't invoke His name in their political retoric. God Bless.

https://www.youtube.com...

LOL---right!God wants America to be strong! those guys give us Believers a bad name. but I think Walker (3rd guy in the vid) had the best answer.) since he admitted God didnt't give him a list of things he wanted him to do as POTUS. My answer if I was up there would have been along the same lines. God Bless.
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8/15/2015 2:44:45 PM
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At 8/14/2015 9:06:00 PM, TN05 wrote:
At 8/14/2015 6:35:37 PM, DanneJeRusse wrote:
At 8/14/2015 5:29:26 PM, TN05 wrote:
At 8/14/2015 1:55:24 PM, Skepticalone wrote:
Why are we asking about God in a presidential debate?

You don't see any value in asking how the candidates relate their religion to their political actions?

The answer to that question is obviously, none at all as they shouldn't be relating their religion to their political actions, which should not even be required to ask.

Why shouldn't they be relating their life philosophy to politics? I would imagine anyone running for office incorporates their personal beliefs.

If they do incorporate their personal beliefs into a job in which they are not supposed to incorporate their personal beliefs, they should not have the job.
Marrying a 6 year old and waiting until she reaches puberty and maturity before having consensual sex is better than walking up to
a stranger in a bar and proceeding to have relations with no valid proof of the intent of the person. Muhammad wins. ~ Fatihah
If they don't want to be killed then they have to subdue to the Islamic laws. - Uncung
Without God, you are lower than sh!t. ~ SpiritandTruth
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8/15/2015 3:09:23 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
Once, just flippin' once, I want any candidate at all when asked about God to immediately question the relevance:

"Madame/Mister moderator, press person, etc, I am afraid I don't understand the relevance of your question. I was under the impression my economic/foreign relations/domestic spending views are what my platform is what is being questioned, as its what I am running on. Were I felt personal views were sound political planks, I would have incorporated them into my platform."
Here we have an advocate for Islamic arranged marriages demonstrating that children can consent to sex.
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8/15/2015 6:00:31 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 8/15/2015 2:44:45 PM, DanneJeRusse wrote:
At 8/14/2015 9:06:00 PM, TN05 wrote:
At 8/14/2015 6:35:37 PM, DanneJeRusse wrote:
At 8/14/2015 5:29:26 PM, TN05 wrote:
At 8/14/2015 1:55:24 PM, Skepticalone wrote:
Why are we asking about God in a presidential debate?

You don't see any value in asking how the candidates relate their religion to their political actions?

The answer to that question is obviously, none at all as they shouldn't be relating their religion to their political actions, which should not even be required to ask.

Why shouldn't they be relating their life philosophy to politics? I would imagine anyone running for office incorporates their personal beliefs.

If they do incorporate their personal beliefs into a job in which they are not supposed to incorporate their personal beliefs, they should not have the job.

Since when are politicians supposed to not incorporate their personal beliefs? They aren't judges. They are politicians.
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8/15/2015 6:14:33 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 8/15/2015 6:00:31 PM, TN05 wrote:
At 8/15/2015 2:44:45 PM, DanneJeRusse wrote:
At 8/14/2015 9:06:00 PM, TN05 wrote:
At 8/14/2015 6:35:37 PM, DanneJeRusse wrote:
At 8/14/2015 5:29:26 PM, TN05 wrote:
At 8/14/2015 1:55:24 PM, Skepticalone wrote:
Why are we asking about God in a presidential debate?

You don't see any value in asking how the candidates relate their religion to their political actions?

The answer to that question is obviously, none at all as they shouldn't be relating their religion to their political actions, which should not even be required to ask.

Why shouldn't they be relating their life philosophy to politics? I would imagine anyone running for office incorporates their personal beliefs.

If they do incorporate their personal beliefs into a job in which they are not supposed to incorporate their personal beliefs, they should not have the job.

Since when are politicians supposed to not incorporate their personal beliefs?

Always. The job of a politician has nothing to do with their personal beliefs. Are you saying you didn't know that?

They aren't judges. They are politicians.
Marrying a 6 year old and waiting until she reaches puberty and maturity before having consensual sex is better than walking up to
a stranger in a bar and proceeding to have relations with no valid proof of the intent of the person. Muhammad wins. ~ Fatihah
If they don't want to be killed then they have to subdue to the Islamic laws. - Uncung
Without God, you are lower than sh!t. ~ SpiritandTruth