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8/15/2015 2:08:30 AM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 8/15/2015 12:04:42 AM, cr_lewis wrote:
Here's an interesting article in the Huff Post;

http://www.huffingtonpost.com...

They missed a golden opportunity to explain the origins of the term which Christians hijacked for their alleged saviour. The origins lie with the term "Logos" developed by Greek philosophers long before.

http://www.newworldencyclopedia.org...

The Greek word "logos" means "order," "word," and "reason." It indicates a rational explanation in contrast to a mythological explanation. Among Greek philosophers, the first philosopher who used the term is Heraclitus. By using the term logos, he meant the principle of the cosmos that organizes and orders the world that had the power to regulate the birth and decay of things in the world. The cosmos was, as he saw it, constantly changing, and he conceived logos as the organizing principle of change. In the context of Ancient Greek philosophy, logos was a divine principle which transcended the world of mortals.

The Stoics developed the notion of logos and conceived it as the principle that gave life and order to all beings in the universe. In their view, logos existed both in the human soul and the universe, and identified justice within the life of a man who lived according to this order of the universe.


Later the Hellenic Jewish philosopher and historian Philo of Alexandria (who coincidentally lived at the same time as the alleged Jesus but was completely unaware of him) extended the concept further:

https://en.wikipedia.org...

Philo (20 BC " 50 AD), a Hellenized Jew, used the term Logos to mean an intermediary divine being, or demiurge.[6] Philo followed the Platonic distinction between imperfect matter and perfect Form, and therefore intermediary beings were necessary to bridge the enormous gap between God and the material world.[33] The Logos was the highest of these intermediary beings, and was called by Philo "the first-born of God."[33] Philo also wrote that "the Logos of the living God is the bond of everything, holding all things together and binding all the parts, and prevents them from being dissolved and separated."[34]

So Philo was talking about "the first-born of God" or "Son of God" way before Christianity started. There is no mention of an actual "Son of God" in the Hebrew Bible. It would have been blasphemy. Much later John shamelessly appropriated the concept to apply it to the alleged Jesus. So Jesus ended up as both eternal (in the beginning was the Word) and as born to a human being as a mortal, a brain-dead idea if there ever was one.
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8/15/2015 1:00:45 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 8/15/2015 2:08:30 AM, dee-em wrote:
At 8/15/2015 12:04:42 AM, cr_lewis wrote:
Here's an interesting article in the Huff Post;

http://www.huffingtonpost.com...

They missed a golden opportunity to explain the origins of the term which Christians hijacked for their alleged saviour. The origins lie with the term "Logos" developed by Greek philosophers long before.

http://www.newworldencyclopedia.org...

The Greek word "logos" means "order," "word," and "reason." It indicates a rational explanation in contrast to a mythological explanation. Among Greek philosophers, the first philosopher who used the term is Heraclitus. By using the term logos, he meant the principle of the cosmos that organizes and orders the world that had the power to regulate the birth and decay of things in the world. The cosmos was, as he saw it, constantly changing, and he conceived logos as the organizing principle of change. In the context of Ancient Greek philosophy, logos was a divine principle which transcended the world of mortals.

The Stoics developed the notion of logos and conceived it as the principle that gave life and order to all beings in the universe. In their view, logos existed both in the human soul and the universe, and identified justice within the life of a man who lived according to this order of the universe.


Later the Hellenic Jewish philosopher and historian Philo of Alexandria (who coincidentally lived at the same time as the alleged Jesus but was completely unaware of him) extended the concept further:

https://en.wikipedia.org...

Philo (20 BC " 50 AD), a Hellenized Jew, used the term Logos to mean an intermediary divine being, or demiurge.[6] Philo followed the Platonic distinction between imperfect matter and perfect Form, and therefore intermediary beings were necessary to bridge the enormous gap between God and the material world.[33] The Logos was the highest of these intermediary beings, and was called by Philo "the first-born of God."[33] Philo also wrote that "the Logos of the living God is the bond of everything, holding all things together and binding all the parts, and prevents them from being dissolved and separated."[34]

So Philo was talking about "the first-born of God" or "Son of God" way before Christianity started. There is no mention of an actual "Son of God" in the Hebrew Bible. It would have been blasphemy. Much later John shamelessly appropriated the concept to apply it to the alleged Jesus. So Jesus ended up as both eternal (in the beginning was the Word) and as born to a human being as a mortal, a brain-dead idea if there ever was one. : :

It's a very confusing world, isn't it? Some people rely on the Bible and others rely on history. I rely on the one who knows what's going on.
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8/15/2015 1:08:05 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
It's either Michael or Rudolf depending on which story book you misconstrue.
Religion is just mind control. George Carlin
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8/15/2015 1:33:27 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 8/15/2015 1:08:05 PM, bulproof wrote:
It's either Michael or Rudolf depending on which story book you misconstrue. : :

Most people rely on other people for their beliefs. What a shame.
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8/15/2015 1:35:14 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 8/15/2015 1:33:27 PM, cr_lewis wrote:
At 8/15/2015 1:08:05 PM, bulproof wrote:
It's either Michael or Rudolf depending on which story book you misconstrue. : :

Most people rely on other people for their beliefs. What a shame.

And you rely on your overactive imagination, LOL!
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8/15/2015 1:37:06 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 8/15/2015 1:35:14 PM, JJ50 wrote:
At 8/15/2015 1:33:27 PM, cr_lewis wrote:
At 8/15/2015 1:08:05 PM, bulproof wrote:
It's either Michael or Rudolf depending on which story book you misconstrue. : :

Most people rely on other people for their beliefs. What a shame.

And you rely on your overactive imagination, LOL! : :

Imagination is where all man-made things came from. Where do you think trees, rocks and water came from?
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8/15/2015 1:40:49 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 8/15/2015 1:37:06 PM, cr_lewis wrote:
At 8/15/2015 1:35:14 PM, JJ50 wrote:
At 8/15/2015 1:33:27 PM, cr_lewis wrote:
At 8/15/2015 1:08:05 PM, bulproof wrote:
It's either Michael or Rudolf depending on which story book you misconstrue. : :

Most people rely on other people for their beliefs. What a shame.

And you rely on your overactive imagination, LOL! : :

Imagination is where all man-made things came from. Where do you think trees, rocks and water came from?

They evolved just like everything else including humans, imo. When science is able to explain exactly how it all came about, I am willing to bet no deity was involved!
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8/15/2015 1:41:58 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 8/15/2015 1:40:49 PM, JJ50 wrote:
At 8/15/2015 1:37:06 PM, cr_lewis wrote:
At 8/15/2015 1:35:14 PM, JJ50 wrote:
At 8/15/2015 1:33:27 PM, cr_lewis wrote:
At 8/15/2015 1:08:05 PM, bulproof wrote:
It's either Michael or Rudolf depending on which story book you misconstrue. : :

Most people rely on other people for their beliefs. What a shame.

And you rely on your overactive imagination, LOL! : :

Imagination is where all man-made things came from. Where do you think trees, rocks and water came from?

They evolved just like everything else including humans, imo. When science is able to explain exactly how it all came about, I am willing to bet no deity was involved! : :

I don't have to bet my friend. I know where science came from.
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8/15/2015 1:46:59 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 8/15/2015 1:41:58 PM, cr_lewis wrote:
At 8/15/2015 1:40:49 PM, JJ50 wrote:
At 8/15/2015 1:37:06 PM, cr_lewis wrote:
At 8/15/2015 1:35:14 PM, JJ50 wrote:
At 8/15/2015 1:33:27 PM, cr_lewis wrote:
At 8/15/2015 1:08:05 PM, bulproof wrote:
It's either Michael or Rudolf depending on which story book you misconstrue. : :

Most people rely on other people for their beliefs. What a shame.

And you rely on your overactive imagination, LOL! : :

Imagination is where all man-made things came from. Where do you think trees, rocks and water came from?

They evolved just like everything else including humans, imo. When science is able to explain exactly how it all came about, I am willing to bet no deity was involved! : :

I don't have to bet my friend. I know where science came from.
Imagination is where all man-made things came from
You mean gods. Yes I agree.
That tree over there did that come from your imagination or that guy under it?
Religion is just mind control. George Carlin
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8/15/2015 1:53:14 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 8/15/2015 1:46:59 PM, bulproof wrote:
At 8/15/2015 1:41:58 PM, cr_lewis wrote:
At 8/15/2015 1:40:49 PM, JJ50 wrote:
At 8/15/2015 1:37:06 PM, cr_lewis wrote:
At 8/15/2015 1:35:14 PM, JJ50 wrote:
At 8/15/2015 1:33:27 PM, cr_lewis wrote:
At 8/15/2015 1:08:05 PM, bulproof wrote:
It's either Michael or Rudolf depending on which story book you misconstrue. : :

Most people rely on other people for their beliefs. What a shame.

And you rely on your overactive imagination, LOL! : :

Imagination is where all man-made things came from. Where do you think trees, rocks and water came from?

They evolved just like everything else including humans, imo. When science is able to explain exactly how it all came about, I am willing to bet no deity was involved! : :

I don't have to bet my friend. I know where science came from.
Imagination is where all man-made things came from
You mean gods. Yes I agree.
That tree over there did that come from your imagination or that guy under it? : :

I wonder what Dick Tracy would think about your foolish comment.

http://www.slate.com...
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8/15/2015 1:57:05 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 8/15/2015 1:53:14 PM, cr_lewis wrote:
At 8/15/2015 1:46:59 PM, bulproof wrote:
At 8/15/2015 1:41:58 PM, cr_lewis wrote:
At 8/15/2015 1:40:49 PM, JJ50 wrote:
At 8/15/2015 1:37:06 PM, cr_lewis wrote:
At 8/15/2015 1:35:14 PM, JJ50 wrote:
At 8/15/2015 1:33:27 PM, cr_lewis wrote:
At 8/15/2015 1:08:05 PM, bulproof wrote:
It's either Michael or Rudolf depending on which story book you misconstrue. : :

Most people rely on other people for their beliefs. What a shame.

And you rely on your overactive imagination, LOL! : :

Imagination is where all man-made things came from. Where do you think trees, rocks and water came from?

They evolved just like everything else including humans, imo. When science is able to explain exactly how it all came about, I am willing to bet no deity was involved! : :

I don't have to bet my friend. I know where science came from.
Imagination is where all man-made things came from
You mean gods. Yes I agree.
That tree over there did that come from your imagination or that guy under it? : :

I wonder what Dick Tracy would think about your foolish comment.

http://www.slate.com...

Dick Tracy is actually the son of god, WOW.
Who woulda thunk it?
Makes sense though, both fictional characters so why not?
Religion is just mind control. George Carlin
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8/15/2015 1:59:03 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 8/15/2015 1:57:05 PM, bulproof wrote:
At 8/15/2015 1:53:14 PM, cr_lewis wrote:
At 8/15/2015 1:46:59 PM, bulproof wrote:
At 8/15/2015 1:41:58 PM, cr_lewis wrote:
At 8/15/2015 1:40:49 PM, JJ50 wrote:
At 8/15/2015 1:37:06 PM, cr_lewis wrote:
At 8/15/2015 1:35:14 PM, JJ50 wrote:
At 8/15/2015 1:33:27 PM, cr_lewis wrote:
At 8/15/2015 1:08:05 PM, bulproof wrote:
It's either Michael or Rudolf depending on which story book you misconstrue. : :

Most people rely on other people for their beliefs. What a shame.

And you rely on your overactive imagination, LOL! : :

Imagination is where all man-made things came from. Where do you think trees, rocks and water came from?

They evolved just like everything else including humans, imo. When science is able to explain exactly how it all came about, I am willing to bet no deity was involved! : :

I don't have to bet my friend. I know where science came from.
Imagination is where all man-made things came from
You mean gods. Yes I agree.
That tree over there did that come from your imagination or that guy under it? : :

I wonder what Dick Tracy would think about your foolish comment.

http://www.slate.com...

Dick Tracy is actually the son of god, WOW.
Who woulda thunk it?
Makes sense though, both fictional characters so why not? : :

You would have made a great Christian by the way you avoid the Truth.
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8/15/2015 2:12:12 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 8/15/2015 2:08:10 PM, dee-em wrote:
Brad is back. How long before he gives himself away this time?

Wait for it ... : :

I don't have to give myself away, you already did it for me.
dee-em
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8/15/2015 2:19:18 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 8/15/2015 2:12:12 PM, cr_lewis wrote:
At 8/15/2015 2:08:10 PM, dee-em wrote:
Brad is back. How long before he gives himself away this time?

Wait for it ... : :

I don't have to give myself away, you already did it for me.

You're not that hard to spot, although I wasn't quite so sure this time. You're getting better at the subterfuge.
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8/15/2015 2:22:27 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 8/15/2015 2:19:18 PM, dee-em wrote:
At 8/15/2015 2:12:12 PM, cr_lewis wrote:
At 8/15/2015 2:08:10 PM, dee-em wrote:
Brad is back. How long before he gives himself away this time?

Wait for it ... : :

I don't have to give myself away, you already did it for me.

You're not that hard to spot, although I wasn't quite so sure this time. You're getting better at the subterfuge. : :

If you ignored me, then new members would have a chance to hear the voice of God. However, I know how hard it is for antichrists to ignore the Truth.
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8/15/2015 2:25:08 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 8/15/2015 2:22:27 PM, cr_lewis wrote:
At 8/15/2015 2:19:18 PM, dee-em wrote:
At 8/15/2015 2:12:12 PM, cr_lewis wrote:
At 8/15/2015 2:08:10 PM, dee-em wrote:
Brad is back. How long before he gives himself away this time?

Wait for it ... : :

I don't have to give myself away, you already did it for me.

You're not that hard to spot, although I wasn't quite so sure this time. You're getting better at the subterfuge. : :

If you ignored me, then new members would have a chance to hear the voice of God. However, I know how hard it is for antichrists to ignore the Truth.

I try and spare them that ordeal. I'm just kind that way.
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8/15/2015 2:30:59 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 8/15/2015 2:08:10 PM, dee-em wrote:
Brad is back. How long before he gives himself away this time?

Wait for it ...
Got there before ya mate, read the time stamp
http://www.debate.org...
Religion is just mind control. George Carlin
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8/15/2015 2:37:36 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 8/15/2015 2:25:08 PM, dee-em wrote:
At 8/15/2015 2:22:27 PM, cr_lewis wrote:
At 8/15/2015 2:19:18 PM, dee-em wrote:
At 8/15/2015 2:12:12 PM, cr_lewis wrote:
At 8/15/2015 2:08:10 PM, dee-em wrote:
Brad is back. How long before he gives himself away this time?

Wait for it ... : :

I don't have to give myself away, you already did it for me.

You're not that hard to spot, although I wasn't quite so sure this time. You're getting better at the subterfuge. : :

If you ignored me, then new members would have a chance to hear the voice of God. However, I know how hard it is for antichrists to ignore the Truth.

I try and spare them that ordeal. I'm just kind that way. : :

The religious Jewish Christians thought they were kind to when they gave up God's saints to the Roman guards.
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8/15/2015 2:44:49 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 8/15/2015 2:30:59 PM, bulproof wrote:
At 8/15/2015 2:08:10 PM, dee-em wrote:
Brad is back. How long before he gives himself away this time?

Wait for it ...
Got there before ya mate, read the time stamp
http://www.debate.org...

Yeah, you pipped me. He was being more cagey here.
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8/15/2015 2:46:14 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 8/15/2015 2:37:36 PM, cr_lewis wrote:
At 8/15/2015 2:25:08 PM, dee-em wrote:
At 8/15/2015 2:22:27 PM, cr_lewis wrote:
At 8/15/2015 2:19:18 PM, dee-em wrote:
At 8/15/2015 2:12:12 PM, cr_lewis wrote:
At 8/15/2015 2:08:10 PM, dee-em wrote:
Brad is back. How long before he gives himself away this time?

Wait for it ... : :

I don't have to give myself away, you already did it for me.

You're not that hard to spot, although I wasn't quite so sure this time. You're getting better at the subterfuge. : :

If you ignored me, then new members would have a chance to hear the voice of God. However, I know how hard it is for antichrists to ignore the Truth.

I try and spare them that ordeal. I'm just kind that way. : :

The religious Jewish Christians thought they were kind to when they gave up God's saints to the Roman guards.

You're blathering again, Brad. Be a good boy and go away.
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8/15/2015 2:47:22 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 8/15/2015 2:44:49 PM, dee-em wrote:
At 8/15/2015 2:30:59 PM, bulproof wrote:
At 8/15/2015 2:08:10 PM, dee-em wrote:
Brad is back. How long before he gives himself away this time?

Wait for it ...
Got there before ya mate, read the time stamp
http://www.debate.org...

Yeah, you pipped me. He was being more cagey here.

Yeah he was wasn't he.
Religion is just mind control. George Carlin
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8/15/2015 2:48:25 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 8/15/2015 2:44:49 PM, dee-em wrote:
At 8/15/2015 2:30:59 PM, bulproof wrote:
At 8/15/2015 2:08:10 PM, dee-em wrote:
Brad is back. How long before he gives himself away this time?

Wait for it ...
Got there before ya mate, read the time stamp
http://www.debate.org...

Yeah, you pipped me. He was being more cagey here. : :

I'm the same Word of God that I've always been. Most of My people who practice Judaism, Christianity and Islam don't know me, either.
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8/15/2015 3:31:32 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 8/15/2015 2:30:59 PM, bulproof wrote:
At 8/15/2015 2:08:10 PM, dee-em wrote:
Brad is back. How long before he gives himself away this time?

Wait for it ...
Got there before ya mate, read the time stamp
http://www.debate.org...

Y'all were both way behind.

http://www.debate.org...

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Madcornishbiker: "No, I don't need a dictionary, I know how scripture uses words and that is all I need to now."
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8/15/2015 3:37:58 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 8/15/2015 3:31:32 PM, annanicole wrote:
At 8/15/2015 2:30:59 PM, bulproof wrote:
At 8/15/2015 2:08:10 PM, dee-em wrote:
Brad is back. How long before he gives himself away this time?

Wait for it ...
Got there before ya mate, read the time stamp
http://www.debate.org...

Y'all were both way behind.

http://www.debate.org...

Post #12

He's like a possum in the roof cavity. No matter how many times you get rid of him the pest keeps coming back. It's illegal, but I may have to lay some bait. Lol.
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8/15/2015 3:55:50 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 8/15/2015 3:37:58 PM, dee-em wrote:
At 8/15/2015 3:31:32 PM, annanicole wrote:
At 8/15/2015 2:30:59 PM, bulproof wrote:
At 8/15/2015 2:08:10 PM, dee-em wrote:
Brad is back. How long before he gives himself away this time?

Wait for it ...
Got there before ya mate, read the time stamp
http://www.debate.org...

Y'all were both way behind.

http://www.debate.org...

Post #12

He's like a possum in the roof cavity. No matter how many times you get rid of him the pest keeps coming back. It's illegal, but I may have to lay some bait. Lol.

I bet he was a trip when he was drinking.
Madcornishbiker: "No, I don't need a dictionary, I know how scripture uses words and that is all I need to now."
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8/15/2015 4:01:50 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 8/15/2015 2:19:18 PM, dee-em wrote:
At 8/15/2015 2:12:12 PM, cr_lewis wrote:
At 8/15/2015 2:08:10 PM, dee-em wrote:
Brad is back. How long before he gives himself away this time?

Wait for it ... : :

I don't have to give myself away, you already did it for me.

You're not that hard to spot, although I wasn't quite so sure this time. You're getting better at the subterfuge.

LOL welcome back borno

May you have the blessings of the grace of God in Jesus Christ.-AMEN
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8/15/2015 4:21:42 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
I see Brad has been kicked out again. We await his next appearance, he must find it hard to come up with usernames he has created so many, LOL!
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8/15/2015 5:13:26 PM
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God's Salvation in The Flesh.
"There are trivial truths and the great truths. The opposite of a trivial truth is plainly false. The opposite of a great truth is also true." ~ Niels Bohr

"All truth passes through three stages. First, it is ridiculed. Second, it is violently opposed. Third, it is accepted as being self-evident." ~ Arthur Schopenhauer