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The Islamic Forgery of Jesus

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8/22/2015 5:41:59 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 8/21/2015 8:43:32 PM, Yassine wrote:
- I stumbled upon some translations of sayings of Prophet Jesus (pbuh) from Islamic sources & I wanted to share these with you. I mean by Islamic sources, the collections of Hadiths attributed to Prophet Muhammad (pbuh). There are about ~400 of them in total, from which I shall mention few.

* Reported by Ahmad

* Reported by al-Ghazali

* Reported by Malik

* Reported by Ibn al-Mubarak

* Reported by Ibn 'Abd al-Bar

* Reported by Ibn Abi ad-Dunya

When asked as to where the source of those quotes originated, Yassine provided nothing substantial. After attempting to find out these sources, the best I could come across was that they were all found in some "ancient Aramaic scriptures" from Jesus himself, however no such scripture has been identified. All of these quotes, of course, were not acknowledged from anyone close to Jesus, his family or disciples. Yet, somehow these alleged scriptures show up centuries later and are found, quite conveniently, by Islamic scholars.

We are now forced to call into question the validity of these quotes and the credibility of those alleged scholars noted above. Were these quotes mistakenly attributed to Jesus or were they purposely contrived by those men? Either way, to put forth those quotes as valid without any acknowledgment of source or citation, we certainly cannot accept them and must call into question the credibility of those alleged Islamic scholars. Did they outright lie? It would certainly seem so.

Many already question the validity of quotes in the Bible considering Jesus never wrote a single word, hence we must trust the authors of the Bible for their credibility. To trust the word of Muslims centuries later and hundreds of miles away is ludicrous in light of that, especially considering no source of origins for those quotes are mentioned anywhere.

So, how much more can we consider invalid and lacking credibility with those Islamic scholars? How many more lies did they tell? Are the Hadiths one big whale of a tale?
Marrying a 6 year old and waiting until she reaches puberty and maturity before having consensual sex is better than walking up to
a stranger in a bar and proceeding to have relations with no valid proof of the intent of the person. Muhammad wins. ~ Fatihah
If they don't want to be killed then they have to subdue to the Islamic laws. - Uncung
Without God, you are lower than sh!t. ~ SpiritandTruth
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8/22/2015 6:32:41 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 8/22/2015 5:41:59 PM, DanneJeRusse wrote:
At 8/21/2015 8:43:32 PM, Yassine wrote:
- I stumbled upon some translations of sayings of Prophet Jesus (pbuh) from Islamic sources & I wanted to share these with you. I mean by Islamic sources, the collections of Hadiths attributed to Prophet Muhammad (pbuh). There are about ~400 of them in total, from which I shall mention few.

* Reported by Ahmad

* Reported by al-Ghazali

* Reported by Malik

* Reported by Ibn al-Mubarak

* Reported by Ibn 'Abd al-Bar

* Reported by Ibn Abi ad-Dunya

When asked as to where the source of those quotes originated, Yassine provided nothing substantial. After attempting to find out these sources, the best I could come across was that they were all found in some "ancient Aramaic scriptures" from Jesus himself, however no such scripture has been identified. All of these quotes, of course, were not acknowledged from anyone close to Jesus, his family or disciples. Yet, somehow these alleged scriptures show up centuries later and are found, quite conveniently, by Islamic scholars.

We are now forced to call into question the validity of these quotes and the credibility of those alleged scholars noted above. Were these quotes mistakenly attributed to Jesus or were they purposely contrived by those men? Either way, to put forth those quotes as valid without any acknowledgment of source or citation, we certainly cannot accept them and must call into question the credibility of those alleged Islamic scholars. Did they outright lie? It would certainly seem so.

Many already question the validity of quotes in the Bible considering Jesus never wrote a single word, hence we must trust the authors of the Bible for their credibility. To trust the word of Muslims centuries later and hundreds of miles away is ludicrous in light of that, especially considering no source of origins for those quotes are mentioned anywhere.

So, how much more can we consider invalid and lacking credibility with those Islamic scholars? How many more lies did they tell? Are the Hadiths one big whale of a tale?

the hadith narrators are well known, it is not the same with the bible writers, unknown.
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8/22/2015 9:32:18 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 8/22/2015 6:32:41 PM, uncung wrote:
At 8/22/2015 5:41:59 PM, DanneJeRusse wrote:
At 8/21/2015 8:43:32 PM, Yassine wrote:
- I stumbled upon some translations of sayings of Prophet Jesus (pbuh) from Islamic sources & I wanted to share these with you. I mean by Islamic sources, the collections of Hadiths attributed to Prophet Muhammad (pbuh). There are about ~400 of them in total, from which I shall mention few.

* Reported by Ahmad

* Reported by al-Ghazali

* Reported by Malik

* Reported by Ibn al-Mubarak

* Reported by Ibn 'Abd al-Bar

* Reported by Ibn Abi ad-Dunya

When asked as to where the source of those quotes originated, Yassine provided nothing substantial. After attempting to find out these sources, the best I could come across was that they were all found in some "ancient Aramaic scriptures" from Jesus himself, however no such scripture has been identified. All of these quotes, of course, were not acknowledged from anyone close to Jesus, his family or disciples. Yet, somehow these alleged scriptures show up centuries later and are found, quite conveniently, by Islamic scholars.

We are now forced to call into question the validity of these quotes and the credibility of those alleged scholars noted above. Were these quotes mistakenly attributed to Jesus or were they purposely contrived by those men? Either way, to put forth those quotes as valid without any acknowledgment of source or citation, we certainly cannot accept them and must call into question the credibility of those alleged Islamic scholars. Did they outright lie? It would certainly seem so.

Many already question the validity of quotes in the Bible considering Jesus never wrote a single word, hence we must trust the authors of the Bible for their credibility. To trust the word of Muslims centuries later and hundreds of miles away is ludicrous in light of that, especially considering no source of origins for those quotes are mentioned anywhere.

So, how much more can we consider invalid and lacking credibility with those Islamic scholars? How many more lies did they tell? Are the Hadiths one big whale of a tale?

the hadith narrators are well known, it is not the same with the bible writers, unknown.

So what?
Marrying a 6 year old and waiting until she reaches puberty and maturity before having consensual sex is better than walking up to
a stranger in a bar and proceeding to have relations with no valid proof of the intent of the person. Muhammad wins. ~ Fatihah
If they don't want to be killed then they have to subdue to the Islamic laws. - Uncung
Without God, you are lower than sh!t. ~ SpiritandTruth
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8/23/2015 5:20:17 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
bump
Marrying a 6 year old and waiting until she reaches puberty and maturity before having consensual sex is better than walking up to
a stranger in a bar and proceeding to have relations with no valid proof of the intent of the person. Muhammad wins. ~ Fatihah
If they don't want to be killed then they have to subdue to the Islamic laws. - Uncung
Without God, you are lower than sh!t. ~ SpiritandTruth
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8/23/2015 5:37:00 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 8/23/2015 5:20:17 PM, DanneJeRusse wrote:
bump

It would appear Hadith Forgeries are common place, this book outlines over 3000 forgeries and is not complete.

Encyclopedia of Hadith Forgeries: Sayings Misattributed to the Prophet Muhammad : al-Asrar al-Marfu'a fil-Akhbar al-Mawdu'a

A total of 3,000 reports are docu"mented in this volume covering Doctrinal and Juridi"cal forgeries

Shia for"geries
Sufi for"geries
racial forgeries
Misogynistic for"geries,
Food forgeries
"Israelite" forgeries
Medical forgeries
Sex forgeries
Spurious books
spurious grave-spots and more.

http://kitaabun.com...
Marrying a 6 year old and waiting until she reaches puberty and maturity before having consensual sex is better than walking up to
a stranger in a bar and proceeding to have relations with no valid proof of the intent of the person. Muhammad wins. ~ Fatihah
If they don't want to be killed then they have to subdue to the Islamic laws. - Uncung
Without God, you are lower than sh!t. ~ SpiritandTruth
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8/23/2015 5:46:12 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
Hadith and the Corruption of Islam

"Since the so-called Hadith & Sunna of the Prophet have been vastly corrupted, they can never meet the criterion of divine revelation. It is an acknowledged fact that the vast majority of Hadiths are false fabrications. Please see the section on "The numbers of Hadiths". After your review of "the numbers of Hadiths" you will find that as much as 99% of the hadiths alleged for the prophet were lies and fabrications."

http://submission.org...
Marrying a 6 year old and waiting until she reaches puberty and maturity before having consensual sex is better than walking up to
a stranger in a bar and proceeding to have relations with no valid proof of the intent of the person. Muhammad wins. ~ Fatihah
If they don't want to be killed then they have to subdue to the Islamic laws. - Uncung
Without God, you are lower than sh!t. ~ SpiritandTruth
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8/23/2015 5:58:39 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 8/23/2015 5:46:12 PM, DanneJeRusse wrote:
Hadith and the Corruption of Islam

"Since the so-called Hadith & Sunna of the Prophet have been vastly corrupted, they can never meet the criterion of divine revelation. It is an acknowledged fact that the vast majority of Hadiths are false fabrications. Please see the section on "The numbers of Hadiths". After your review of "the numbers of Hadiths" you will find that as much as 99% of the hadiths alleged for the prophet were lies and fabrications."

http://submission.org...

LOL!!!
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8/23/2015 6:24:14 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 8/23/2015 5:58:39 PM, POPOO5560 wrote:
At 8/23/2015 5:46:12 PM, DanneJeRusse wrote:
Hadith and the Corruption of Islam

"Since the so-called Hadith & Sunna of the Prophet have been vastly corrupted, they can never meet the criterion of divine revelation. It is an acknowledged fact that the vast majority of Hadiths are false fabrications. Please see the section on "The numbers of Hadiths". After your review of "the numbers of Hadiths" you will find that as much as 99% of the hadiths alleged for the prophet were lies and fabrications."

http://submission.org...

LOL!!!

Your last dozen posts or so have been a riveting read.
Marrying a 6 year old and waiting until she reaches puberty and maturity before having consensual sex is better than walking up to
a stranger in a bar and proceeding to have relations with no valid proof of the intent of the person. Muhammad wins. ~ Fatihah
If they don't want to be killed then they have to subdue to the Islamic laws. - Uncung
Without God, you are lower than sh!t. ~ SpiritandTruth