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9/4/2010 12:16:19 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 9/4/2010 11:44:32 AM, Cris4W wrote:
Does atheist believe that Jesus Christ existed?
just asking.. you know im just curious.

Yea, most of them do. However, they just recognize him as a philosopher rather than a person with connections to the divine.
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9/4/2010 12:44:27 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 9/4/2010 12:10:15 PM, Koopin wrote:
At 9/4/2010 12:03:14 PM, Kinesis wrote:
Your sister's kinda hot, Kevin.

You will die for this.

You aren't okay with hooking us up, then? :P
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9/4/2010 1:39:54 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
An atheist is a response to the claim god does exist. It asserts the negative of this claim.
Atheists are not required to believe anything else in respect to being an atheist.
Anyways, I believe that Jesus may or may not have existed, but he was certainly not the son of god.
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9/4/2010 1:40:15 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 9/4/2010 1:39:54 PM, Atheism wrote:
Atheism is a response to the claim god does exist. It asserts the negative of this claim.
Atheists are not required to believe anything else in respect to being an atheist.
Anyways, I believe that Jesus may or may not have existed, but he was certainly not the son of god.
I miss the old members.
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9/4/2010 1:56:33 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 9/4/2010 11:44:32 AM, Cris4W wrote:
Does atheist believe that Jesus Christ existed?
just asking.. you know im just curious.:

I'm not an atheist, but am agnostic leaning more to the atheist side. My take on it is that there is enough independent, extra-biblical evidence to reasonably conclude that a Jesus of Nazareth did in fact live, did in fact make fantastic messianic declarations, did in fact piss off the Roman and Chief Priest hierarchy, and did get crucified.

Reading historical manuscripts, it appears that within about 50 years time after his death, fantastic stories led to more fantastic claims. There was a theological split from the Pauline version of Jesus and the Gnostic version of Jesus. Ultimately the Pauline version won the popularity contest.

Obviously that does not mean that Jesus' supposed divinity is true.
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9/4/2010 2:00:34 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 9/4/2010 12:44:27 PM, Kinesis wrote:
At 9/4/2010 12:10:15 PM, Koopin wrote:
At 9/4/2010 12:03:14 PM, Kinesis wrote:
Your sister's kinda hot, Kevin.

You will die for this.

You aren't okay with hooking us up, then? :P
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9/4/2010 2:08:26 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 9/4/2010 1:56:33 PM, PARADIGM_L0ST wrote:
At 9/4/2010 11:44:32 AM, Cris4W wrote:
Does atheist believe that Jesus Christ existed?
just asking.. you know im just curious.:

My take on it is that there is enough independent, extra-biblical evidence to reasonably conclude that a Jesus of Nazareth did in fact live,

Yes.

did in fact make fantastic messianic declarations,

Nope. What extra-Biblical evidence is there?

did in fact piss off the Roman and Chief Priest hierarchy,

Ok.

and did get crucified.

I don't know about that one.

Reading historical manuscripts, it appears that within about 50 years time after his death, fantastic stories led to more fantastic claims. There was a theological split from the Pauline version of Jesus and the Gnostic version of Jesus. Ultimately the Pauline version won the popularity contest.

Pauline version won popularity contest but the Gnostic Jesus is the true Jesus.
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9/4/2010 2:22:21 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 9/4/2010 2:08:26 PM, GeoLaureate8 wrote:

Nope. What extra-Biblical evidence is there?


Why does it have to be extra-biblical?
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9/4/2010 2:48:20 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 9/4/2010 2:22:21 PM, popculturepooka wrote:
At 9/4/2010 2:08:26 PM, GeoLaureate8 wrote:

Nope. What extra-Biblical evidence is there?


Why does it have to be extra-biblical?

I never said it did. Paradigm said that Jesus made messianic claims in sources outside the Bible. From what I've researched, that's not the case. Obviously it doesn't matter either way because its not proof.
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9/4/2010 3:13:00 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 9/4/2010 3:12:29 PM, Koopin wrote:
At 9/4/2010 3:09:45 PM, badger wrote:
what age is your sister koopin? :)

... 21

think she'd like me?
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9/4/2010 3:22:37 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 9/4/2010 2:48:20 PM, GeoLaureate8 wrote:
At 9/4/2010 2:22:21 PM, popculturepooka wrote:
At 9/4/2010 2:08:26 PM, GeoLaureate8 wrote:

Nope. What extra-Biblical evidence is there?


Why does it have to be extra-biblical?

I never said it did. Paradigm said that Jesus made messianic claims in sources outside the Bible. From what I've researched, that's not the case. Obviously it doesn't matter either way because its not proof.

Oh, okay.
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9/4/2010 3:42:11 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 9/4/2010 3:25:29 PM, badger wrote:
is there no evidence of jesus existing besides the bible so?

Yes, there is extra-biblical evidence.
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9/4/2010 3:43:44 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 9/4/2010 3:42:11 PM, popculturepooka wrote:
At 9/4/2010 3:25:29 PM, badger wrote:
is there no evidence of jesus existing besides the bible so?

Yes, there is extra-biblical evidence.

any chance you'd link me to some?
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9/4/2010 3:52:02 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 9/4/2010 3:43:44 PM, badger wrote:
At 9/4/2010 3:42:11 PM, popculturepooka wrote:
At 9/4/2010 3:25:29 PM, badger wrote:
is there no evidence of jesus existing besides the bible so?

Yes, there is extra-biblical evidence.

any chance you'd link me to some?

i'm not really interested tbh.
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9/4/2010 3:55:45 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
My position is neither mythicist nor believer of Jesus' existence. Both are hypothesis to which the historical method is applied (not NT scholarship of evidence - more this is how history is done elsewhere applied to the case in question). My position as current is it's more probable than not that Jesus did not exist. That may change depending on future evidence/analysis.
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9/4/2010 3:58:29 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
To be more specific the the OP, 'does atheist believe X' is nonsensical outside of the required definition for being deemed an atheist - any one atheist may believe or not a vast gamut of things of which Jesus existing or not is one, all of which are irrelevant to being deemed an atheist.
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9/4/2010 3:58:32 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 9/4/2010 3:55:45 PM, Puck wrote:
My position is neither mythicist nor believer of Jesus' existence. Both are hypothesis to which the historical method is applied (not NT scholarship of evidence - more this is how history is done elsewhere applied to the case in question). My position as current is it's more probable than not that Jesus did not exist. That may change depending on future evidence/analysis.

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