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Lee308
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8/28/2015 9:13:20 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
So therefor, I'm an atheist.
I wish there was a god, but there is not.
PS, many hours looking for proof, there is none.
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8/28/2015 9:32:40 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 8/28/2015 9:13:20 PM, Lee308 wrote:
So therefor, I'm an atheist.
I wish there was a god, but there is not.
PS, many hours looking for proof, there is none.

Thanks for the insightful post
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8/28/2015 9:37:04 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 8/28/2015 9:32:40 PM, stubs wrote:
At 8/28/2015 9:13:20 PM, Lee308 wrote:
So therefor, I'm an atheist.
I wish there was a god, but there is not.
PS, many hours looking for proof, there is none.

Thanks for the insightful post

Thanks for adding NOTHING!
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8/28/2015 9:48:38 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 8/28/2015 9:37:04 PM, Lee308 wrote:
At 8/28/2015 9:32:40 PM, stubs wrote:
At 8/28/2015 9:13:20 PM, Lee308 wrote:
So therefor, I'm an atheist.
I wish there was a god, but there is not.
PS, many hours looking for proof, there is none.

Thanks for the insightful post

Thanks for adding NOTHING!

Yeah... Got me
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8/29/2015 1:24:53 AM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 8/28/2015 9:13:20 PM, Lee308 wrote:
So therefor, I'm an atheist.
I wish there was a god, but there is not.
PS, many hours looking for proof, there is none.

Faith can never prove that science is accurate.
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8/29/2015 1:33:30 AM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 8/28/2015 9:13:20 PM, Lee308 wrote:
So therefor, I'm an atheist.
I wish there was a god, but there is not.
PS, many hours looking for proof, there is none.

I cannot accept your conclusion until you've at least searched for a full 48hrs. Don't be lazy. Do some homework.
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8/29/2015 1:03:15 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 8/28/2015 9:13:20 PM, Lee308 wrote:
So therefor, I'm an atheist.
I wish there was a god, but there is not.
PS, many hours looking for proof, there is none.

No. There is no proof.

But then there is no proof that there is no God, either. Because no proof isn't proof of anything. So all you've really learned is that looking for proof in this case is a waste of time.

But what about value? Is there any value in hoping there's a God, even if you don't know? Is there any value in living as if there were a God even though you don't know? What kind of God would you like to believe, exists? And since there is no proof that the God you desire doesn't exist, what harm would come from hoping that it does? And even from living by that hope?

I don't think the legitimate question was ever "does God exists". Because we can't answer that question. We never could, and we probably never will. I think the more legitimate question is how would believing in some sort of god effect you? How would it effect your life, and thereby, the lives of those around you? And if doing so could effect you in a good way, what reason would you have for not doing it?

Believing doesn't mean you have to know. That's what faith is for. That's what faith is all about: living by hope when the knowledge runs out. Which for we humans, is a fairly regular occurrence.
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8/29/2015 3:27:57 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 8/28/2015 9:13:20 PM, Lee308 wrote:
So therefor, I'm an atheist.
I wish there was a god, but there is not.
PS, many hours looking for proof, there is none.

You able to prove that all things are created by someone. Or at least somethings precede the things.
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8/29/2015 4:58:17 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 8/29/2015 3:27:57 PM, uncung wrote:
At 8/28/2015 9:13:20 PM, Lee308 wrote:
So therefor, I'm an atheist.
I wish there was a god, but there is not.
PS, many hours looking for proof, there is none.

You able to prove that all things are created by someone. Or at least somethings precede the things.

What preceded the Big Bang?
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8/29/2015 5:21:01 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 8/29/2015 1:24:53 AM, TheWORDisLIFE wrote:
At 8/28/2015 9:13:20 PM, Lee308 wrote:
So therefor, I'm an atheist.
I wish there was a god, but there is not.
PS, many hours looking for proof, there is none.

Faith can never prove that science is accurate.

That makes no sense. Science is a process, not a result.
Marrying a 6 year old and waiting until she reaches puberty and maturity before having consensual sex is better than walking up to
a stranger in a bar and proceeding to have relations with no valid proof of the intent of the person. Muhammad wins. ~ Fatihah
If they don't want to be killed then they have to subdue to the Islamic laws. - Uncung
Without God, you are lower than sh!t. ~ SpiritandTruth
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8/29/2015 5:23:02 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 8/29/2015 4:58:17 PM, janesix wrote:
At 8/29/2015 3:27:57 PM, uncung wrote:
At 8/28/2015 9:13:20 PM, Lee308 wrote:
So therefor, I'm an atheist.
I wish there was a god, but there is not.
PS, many hours looking for proof, there is none.

You able to prove that all things are created by someone. Or at least somethings precede the things.

What preceded the Big Bang?

That is currently unknown, but scientists are working on it.
Marrying a 6 year old and waiting until she reaches puberty and maturity before having consensual sex is better than walking up to
a stranger in a bar and proceeding to have relations with no valid proof of the intent of the person. Muhammad wins. ~ Fatihah
If they don't want to be killed then they have to subdue to the Islamic laws. - Uncung
Without God, you are lower than sh!t. ~ SpiritandTruth
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8/29/2015 5:36:15 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 8/29/2015 5:28:16 PM, janesix wrote:
You must have a lot of faith in scientists.

Sorry, I don't do faith, it tends to be wrong most of the time.
Marrying a 6 year old and waiting until she reaches puberty and maturity before having consensual sex is better than walking up to
a stranger in a bar and proceeding to have relations with no valid proof of the intent of the person. Muhammad wins. ~ Fatihah
If they don't want to be killed then they have to subdue to the Islamic laws. - Uncung
Without God, you are lower than sh!t. ~ SpiritandTruth
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8/29/2015 6:02:34 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 8/29/2015 5:36:15 PM, DanneJeRusse wrote:
At 8/29/2015 5:28:16 PM, janesix wrote:
You must have a lot of faith in scientists.

Sorry, I don't do faith, it tends to be wrong most of the time.

Do you have faith that you live in a logical reality?
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8/29/2015 6:09:31 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 8/29/2015 6:02:34 PM, janesix wrote:
At 8/29/2015 5:36:15 PM, DanneJeRusse wrote:
At 8/29/2015 5:28:16 PM, janesix wrote:
You must have a lot of faith in scientists.

Sorry, I don't do faith, it tends to be wrong most of the time.

Do you have faith that you live in a logical reality?

I repeat, I don't do faith.
Marrying a 6 year old and waiting until she reaches puberty and maturity before having consensual sex is better than walking up to
a stranger in a bar and proceeding to have relations with no valid proof of the intent of the person. Muhammad wins. ~ Fatihah
If they don't want to be killed then they have to subdue to the Islamic laws. - Uncung
Without God, you are lower than sh!t. ~ SpiritandTruth
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8/29/2015 6:53:44 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 8/29/2015 5:21:01 PM, DanneJeRusse wrote:
At 8/29/2015 1:24:53 AM, TheWORDisLIFE wrote:
At 8/28/2015 9:13:20 PM, Lee308 wrote:
So therefor, I'm an atheist.
I wish there was a god, but there is not.
PS, many hours looking for proof, there is none.

Faith can never prove that science is accurate.

That makes no sense. Science is a process, not a result.

LOL, so science does not produce any results? Just like the science predicted the world was going to end in 2012 LMAO, I think that prediction was a result of the stupidity of atheists LOL. Or when some big asteroid was supposed to hit the earth and kill everything on the earth and destroy the earth LOL, how long have we been hearing that now LOL, and now the world is going to end in 2029 LMAO. Science is nothing but guesses and predictions. Atheists and Christians are just alike; you guys never have accurate information, you don't know the Bible and you both live in some fairy land.

Go somewhere else with your inaccurate and guesstimated data. BTW, you never answered my question. What is the kingdom of God? and can you provide one scripture that makes the Bible a fairy tale?
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8/29/2015 7:33:12 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 8/28/2015 9:13:20 PM, Lee308 wrote:
So therefor, I'm an atheist.
I wish there was a god, but there is not.
PS, many hours looking for proof, there is none.

Can you please explain how you "spent many hours looking for God?" What were your methods? You make it sound like a guy who spent "many hours" walking around his neighborhood looking for a lost dog and then gave up! LOL. And only hours? that aint gonna cut it, bro. YOu sound very young.

And your reasons for disavowing God are pretty screwy too. Just because he cannot be proved you decide to be an atheist? That's like saying since you can't prove how electricity works you're gonna sit in the dark for the rest of your life. Which, BTW, is not a bad anaology for a life without God. D you know that science cannot YET tell us how gravity works? Or what it IS. Only that its an attractive force emitted by mass. they have no clue on the actual particle or medium it uses. So are ya gonna deny that too?

I have been where you are. Was there for years. Now I am Born Again. So i can tell you with all honesty and would swear on the Holy Bible and all that I hold dear that if you spend some days or weeks honestly and sincerely seeking God, not as a Challenge to Him, as in demanding he Show Himself, but as a curious child, an honest seeker, a student looking for a Teach, you will find Him.

And once you do your life will be Improved a Million-Fold.

Take me up on my challenge!! And please feel free to ask me any more questions.

(I'm not on DDO a lot anymore as I have gotten a lot busier with Church work and studying for Ministry, but you can PM me--I'll try to check messages everyday..

God Bless.
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8/29/2015 8:38:17 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 8/29/2015 4:58:17 PM, janesix wrote:
At 8/29/2015 3:27:57 PM, uncung wrote:
At 8/28/2015 9:13:20 PM, Lee308 wrote:
So therefor, I'm an atheist.
I wish there was a god, but there is not.
PS, many hours looking for proof, there is none.

You able to prove that all things are created by someone. Or at least somethings precede the things.

What preceded the Big Bang?

massive energy.
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8/29/2015 8:39:33 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 8/29/2015 7:33:12 PM, August_Burns_Red wrote:
At 8/28/2015 9:13:20 PM, Lee308 wrote:
So therefor, I'm an atheist.
I wish there was a god, but there is not.
PS, many hours looking for proof, there is none.

Can you please explain how you "spent many hours looking for God?" What were your methods? You make it sound like a guy who spent "many hours" walking around his neighborhood looking for a lost dog and then gave up! LOL. And only hours? that aint gonna cut it, bro. YOu sound very young.

And your reasons for disavowing God are pretty screwy too. Just because he cannot be proved you decide to be an atheist? That's like saying since you can't prove how electricity works you're gonna sit in the dark for the rest of your life. Which, BTW, is not a bad anaology for a life without God. D you know that science cannot YET tell us how gravity works? Or what it IS. Only that its an attractive force emitted by mass. they have no clue on the actual particle or medium it uses. So are ya gonna deny that too?

I have been where you are. Was there for years. Now I am Born Again. So i can tell you with all honesty and would swear on the Holy Bible and all that I hold dear that if you spend some days or weeks honestly and sincerely seeking God, not as a Challenge to Him, as in demanding he Show Himself, but as a curious child, an honest seeker, a student looking for a Teach, you will find Him.

And once you do your life will be Improved a Million-Fold.

Take me up on my challenge!! And please feel free to ask me any more questions.

(I'm not on DDO a lot anymore as I have gotten a lot busier with Church work and studying for Ministry, but you can PM me--I'll try to check messages everyday..

God Bless.

You must be a Hindu, right?
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8/29/2015 8:46:59 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 8/29/2015 5:23:02 PM, DanneJeRusse wrote:
At 8/29/2015 4:58:17 PM, janesix wrote:
At 8/29/2015 3:27:57 PM, uncung wrote:
At 8/28/2015 9:13:20 PM, Lee308 wrote:
So therefor, I'm an atheist.
I wish there was a god, but there is not.
PS, many hours looking for proof, there is none.

You able to prove that all things are created by someone. Or at least somethings precede the things.

What preceded the Big Bang?

That is currently unknown, but scientists are working on it.

HAHAHAHA seems scientist are going to be working on that for the rest of their lives LOL. That also shows how much evidence science lacks LMAO.
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8/29/2015 8:48:12 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 8/29/2015 4:52:47 PM, JJ50 wrote:
There is no evidence a deity exists, let alone all that is supposedly claimed for it!

Neither is their evidence that proves God doesn't exist.
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8/29/2015 8:49:12 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 8/29/2015 5:36:15 PM, DanneJeRusse wrote:
At 8/29/2015 5:28:16 PM, janesix wrote:
You must have a lot of faith in scientists.

Sorry, I don't do faith, it tends to be wrong most of the time.

So how do you know the Big Bang actually occurred?
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8/29/2015 10:40:31 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 8/28/2015 9:13:20 PM, Lee308 wrote:
So therefor, I'm an atheist.
I wish there was a god, but there is not.

Why wish there were a god, Lee? In what respects would that improve existence?
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8/29/2015 11:18:24 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 8/29/2015 8:49:12 PM, TheWORDisLIFE wrote:
At 8/29/2015 5:36:15 PM, DanneJeRusse wrote:
At 8/29/2015 5:28:16 PM, janesix wrote:
You must have a lot of faith in scientists.

Sorry, I don't do faith, it tends to be wrong most of the time.

So how do you know the Big Bang actually occurred?

Word, your question was for Lee, but there's a general answer here.

Science is based on evidence, accountability, transparency and contestibility. In other words, anything promoted by science is offered subject to evidence-based scrutiny, and science does not squirm away from acknowledging ignorance or error.

The Big Bang theory wasn't accepted by cosmologists until the weight of specific evidence for it eliminated other theories. In particular there are four pieces of specific, indirect evidence predicted by the Big Bang theory that no other theory can predict.

On the other hand, theology claims authority by appeals to ignorance, methodlogical and historical obfuscation, evading accountability, persecuting contesting ideas, and demanding 'faith' -- i.e. submission despite a paucity of positive evidence, and even in the face of contrary evidence.

So there are strong reasons to accept a scientific account after scientists accept it, yet no strong reason to accept theology just because the faithful accept it.

That reason is the exercise of critical thought.
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8/30/2015 12:23:00 AM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 8/29/2015 11:18:24 PM, RuvDraba wrote:
At 8/29/2015 8:49:12 PM, TheWORDisLIFE wrote:
At 8/29/2015 5:36:15 PM, DanneJeRusse wrote:
At 8/29/2015 5:28:16 PM, janesix wrote:
You must have a lot of faith in scientists.

Sorry, I don't do faith, it tends to be wrong most of the time.

So how do you know the Big Bang actually occurred?

Word, your question was for Lee, but there's a general answer here.

Science is based on evidence, accountability, transparency and contestibility. In other words, anything promoted by science is offered subject to evidence-based scrutiny, and science does not squirm away from acknowledging ignorance or error.

The Big Bang theory wasn't accepted by cosmologists until the weight of specific evidence for it eliminated other theories. In particular there are four pieces of specific, indirect evidence predicted by the Big Bang theory that no other theory can predict.

On the other hand, theology claims authority by appeals to ignorance, methodlogical and historical obfuscation, evading accountability, persecuting contesting ideas, and demanding 'faith' -- i.e. submission despite a paucity of positive evidence, and even in the face of contrary evidence.

So there are strong reasons to accept a scientific account after scientists accept it, yet no strong reason to accept theology just because the faithful accept it.

That reason is the exercise of critical thought.

So basically, atheists have faith in scientists? Also, is there any physical evidence that shows the Big Bang actually created the universe, etc...?
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8/30/2015 12:24:45 AM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 8/29/2015 8:48:12 PM, TheWORDisLIFE wrote:
At 8/29/2015 4:52:47 PM, JJ50 wrote:
There is no evidence a deity exists, let alone all that is supposedly claimed for it!

Neither is their evidence that proves God doesn't exist.

Things that actually do exist can be shown to exist. Things that don't exist can't be shown to exist. So far, not looking good for God.

The number of things that do not exist but cannot be shown not to exist is nearly infinite; so not being able to show it isn't really an argument that supports your position at all.
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8/30/2015 12:31:28 AM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 8/29/2015 1:24:53 AM, TheWORDisLIFE wrote:
At 8/28/2015 9:13:20 PM, Lee308 wrote:
So therefor, I'm an atheist.
I wish there was a god, but there is not.
PS, many hours looking for proof, there is none.

Faith can never prove that science is accurate.

Correct, but fortunately as I drink purified water in my well constructed Appartment wearing synthetic fabrics, typing on modern consumer electronics connected via a wireless signal to a massive interconnected web of modern computers; powered by solar, wind, coal and nuclear power plants, debating whether to go to sleep because I need to get on an aeroplane tommorow, and with a cold that I currently treating with drugs; knowing that if it is more significant than I can go do a doctor to run a battery of tests and likely be able to treat what I have with various techniques and procedures; having spent some of the day looking at the history of manned space flight and the latest pictures of the new horizons probe that just made it past Pluto...

It strikes me that one doesn't really need to have faith that science works.

Because if religion rather than Evidence based logic was used by my ancestors, I'd still be living in a cave praying to God that I don't get eaten by a bear Tommorow.
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8/30/2015 12:33:35 AM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 8/28/2015 9:13:20 PM, Lee308 wrote:
So therefor, I'm an atheist.
I wish there was a god, but there is not.
PS, many hours looking for proof, there is none.

BOP is on you. Now I await you to actually argue something.
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8/30/2015 12:38:23 AM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 8/29/2015 5:23:02 PM, DanneJeRusse wrote:
At 8/29/2015 4:58:17 PM, janesix wrote:
At 8/29/2015 3:27:57 PM, uncung wrote:
At 8/28/2015 9:13:20 PM, Lee308 wrote:
So therefor, I'm an atheist.
I wish there was a god, but there is not.
PS, many hours looking for proof, there is none.

You able to prove that all things are created by someone. Or at least somethings precede the things.

What preceded the Big Bang?

That is currently unknown, but scientists are working on it.

A black hole obviously. There's only two places you can find a singlarity. The big bang and black holes. With the black hole taking energy from a surrounding star system we can see that on the other side of the black hole this creates a vacuum and the star dust forms a nuebla and we see that the universe is recreated.
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If the sky's the limit then why do we have footprints on the Moon? I'm shooting my aspirations for the stars.

"If you are going through hell, keep going." "Sir Winston Churchill

"No one can make you feel inferior without your consent." "Eleanor Roosevelt

Topics I want to debate. (http://tinyurl.com...)
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