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Is God or Satan ruling the world?

Timothex
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8/28/2015 10:16:34 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
Satan is currently ruling the world. When he rebelled against Jehovah and tempted Adam and Eve into sin he directly questioned God's ability to rule. Jehovah had the option to either destroy Satan and mankind. Or to allow Satan to become ruler of the earth in-order to prove that Jehovah was the true god.

In Jehovah's infinite wisdom / love he determined that rather than destroying us because of two humans actions. He saw the potential of future loyal, kind and righteous people that can inherit his perfect paradise free from pain and sin. He decided that 6000 years of corruption was a minor sacrifice for eternal bliss. And although it might seem tough for us on earth.. He will wipe EVERY tear from the faces of good people.

And remember that also meant his son Jesus having to come down to earth to die a horrible death.. It is truly amazing that we have such a loving creator who originated with righteousness and the desire to please man.

http://www.jw.org...
Sooner
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8/28/2015 10:44:40 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 8/28/2015 10:16:34 PM, Timothex wrote:
Satan is currently ruling the world. When he rebelled against Jehovah and tempted Adam and Eve into sin he directly questioned God's ability to rule. Jehovah had the option to either destroy Satan and mankind. Or to allow Satan to become ruler of the earth in-order to prove that Jehovah was the true god.

In Jehovah's infinite wisdom / love he determined that rather than destroying us because of two humans actions. He saw the potential of future loyal, kind and righteous people that can inherit his perfect paradise free from pain and sin. He decided that 6000 years of corruption was a minor sacrifice for eternal bliss. And although it might seem tough for us on earth.. He will wipe EVERY tear from the faces of good people.

And remember that also meant his son Jesus having to come down to earth to die a horrible death.. It is truly amazing that we have such a loving creator who originated with righteousness and the desire to please man.

http://www.jw.org...

Preach it!
Keep it up, and keep looking up!
Ignoring problems doesn't make them go away.
Sooner
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8/28/2015 10:49:29 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 8/28/2015 10:16:34 PM, Timothex wrote:
Satan is currently ruling the world. When he rebelled against Jehovah and tempted Adam and Eve into sin he directly questioned God's ability to rule. Jehovah had the option to either destroy Satan and mankind. Or to allow Satan to become ruler of the earth in-order to prove that Jehovah was the true god.

In Jehovah's infinite wisdom / love he determined that rather than destroying us because of two humans actions. He saw the potential of future loyal, kind and righteous people that can inherit his perfect paradise free from pain and sin. He decided that 6000 years of corruption was a minor sacrifice for eternal bliss. And although it might seem tough for us on earth.. He will wipe EVERY tear from the faces of good people.

And remember that also meant his son Jesus having to come down to earth to die a horrible death.. It is truly amazing that we have such a loving creator who originated with righteousness and the desire to please man.

http://www.jw.org...

Of course he is. The laws of God are being dismantled as the world goes further down the tubes with every resistance of God. Look up now. Time is running out. Look around people! What do you see?!?!? A world in pain. A world on Prozak. A world hooked on meth. A world turned away from God. And a world out of control...

Jesus-"I am the way, the truth, and the life."

Jesus-"My words are life."

Find Him now while there's still time. Love one another!!!!!!!!!
Love is the answer
All we need is love!
That pitchfork has no power over LOVE!

GOD IS LOVE
Ignoring problems doesn't make them go away.
satan_killer
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8/29/2015 12:33:13 AM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 8/28/2015 10:16:34 PM, Timothex wrote:
Satan is currently ruling the world. When he rebelled against Jehovah and tempted Adam and Eve into sin he directly questioned God's ability to rule. Jehovah had the option to either destroy Satan and mankind. Or to allow Satan to become ruler of the earth in-order to prove that Jehovah was the true god.

In Jehovah's infinite wisdom / love he determined that rather than destroying us because of two humans actions. He saw the potential of future loyal, kind and righteous people that can inherit his perfect paradise free from pain and sin. He decided that 6000 years of corruption was a minor sacrifice for eternal bliss. And although it might seem tough for us on earth.. He will wipe EVERY tear from the faces of good people.

And remember that also meant his son Jesus having to come down to earth to die a horrible death.. It is truly amazing that we have such a loving creator who originated with righteousness and the desire to please man.

http://www.jw.org... : :

Who is responsible for creating Satan?
skinker
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8/29/2015 1:42:42 AM
Posted: 1 year ago
Satan took a back seat to Mammon centuries ago. Mammon makes Satan look like a hasbeen from way back. Nobody cares about "evil" sex, drugs and rock-n-roll but MONEY, oh Yes! MONEY, Mammon's weapon that reaches into every corner of the globe now, money talks and Satan walks.
Serato
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8/29/2015 1:43:30 AM
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Oh the horror... Heaven on Earth for a 1000years of nothing but Christian rock on every radio station. Ugh.
skinker
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8/29/2015 7:32:02 AM
Posted: 1 year ago
I know, and I'm Christian. Let's have some good Hari Krishna music and funkie jazz and Balinese gamelan and some good African songs of life.
desmac
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8/29/2015 11:39:49 AM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 8/28/2015 10:16:34 PM, Timothex wrote:
Satan is currently ruling the world. When he rebelled against Jehovah and tempted Adam and Eve into sin he directly questioned God's ability to rule. Jehovah had the option to either destroy Satan and mankind. Or to allow Satan to become ruler of the earth in-order to prove that Jehovah was the true god.

In Jehovah's infinite wisdom / love he determined that rather than destroying us because of two humans actions. He saw the potential of future loyal, kind and righteous people that can inherit his perfect paradise free from pain and sin. He decided that 6000 years of corruption was a minor sacrifice for eternal bliss. And although it might seem tough for us on earth.. He will wipe EVERY tear from the faces of good people.

And remember that also meant his son Jesus having to come down to earth to die a horrible death.. It is truly amazing that we have such a loving creator who originated with righteousness and the desire to please man.

http://www.jw.org...

Neither is currently ruling the world, for the simple reason that neither exist.
Man is currently ruling the world, rather badly.
SNP1
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8/29/2015 4:10:40 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 8/28/2015 10:16:34 PM, Timothex wrote:
Satan is currently ruling the world. When he rebelled against Jehovah and tempted Adam and Eve into sin he directly questioned God's ability to rule.

1) It never actually says that the serpent is Satan.
2) Satan was not even a bad guy at the beginning of Judaism, he was God's right hand man. When Israel lost in a war with the Persian Empire (I think it was the Persian's, I might be wrong about which empire it is) they changed their theology to better fit the Persian's. The Persian's religion had an adversary (which Judaism, at the time, lacked). At this point the Jews decided to change their theology so that Satan was actually the bad guy.
3) IF the Book of Lilith is genuine (and actually belongs after Genesis 1 like some believe) then the Serpent in the Garden was almost certainly Lilith (the ACTUAL first women).

Jehovah had the option to either destroy Satan and mankind. Or to allow Satan to become ruler of the earth in-order to prove that Jehovah was the true god.

Source please.
Furthermore, it is pretty common knowledge among those who take interest in Judaic and Christian history that Satan didn't reside in this hell at the center of the Earth but that he ruled from the firmament and was considered the ruler of the Earth.

In Jehovah's infinite wisdom / love he determined that rather than destroying us because of two humans actions. He saw the potential of future loyal, kind and righteous people that can inherit his perfect paradise free from pain and sin. He decided that 6000 years of corruption was a minor sacrifice for eternal bliss. And although it might seem tough for us on earth.. He will wipe EVERY tear from the faces of good people.

Source please.

And remember that also meant his son Jesus having to come down to earth to die a horrible death.. It is truly amazing that we have such a loving creator who originated with righteousness and the desire to please man.

Actually, there is quite a bit of evidence that there existed a Judaic belief in an angel named Yeshua (Jesus) who was the celestial high priest, god's agent of creation, the firstborn of god, etc.

Furthermore, there is some evidence that there existed early Christians (I actually think the first Christians) that viewed Jesus's crucifixion as something done by Satan and his minions in the firmament, and that Jesus never came to Earth.

http://www.jw.org...
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SNP1
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8/29/2015 4:51:23 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 8/29/2015 4:10:40 PM, SNP1 wrote:
3) IF the Book of Lilith is genuine (and actually belongs after Genesis 1 like some believe) then the Serpent in the Garden was almost certainly Lilith (the ACTUAL first women).

I feel as if I need to point out that this is a BIG if (as there is pretty much nothing that supports the book of lilith as being anything near genuine or based on anything genuine).
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Outplayz
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8/29/2015 11:38:35 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 8/28/2015 10:16:34 PM, Timothex wrote:
Satan is currently ruling the world. When he rebelled against Jehovah and tempted Adam and Eve into sin he directly questioned God's ability to rule. Jehovah had the option to either destroy Satan and mankind. Or to allow Satan to become ruler of the earth in-order to prove that Jehovah was the true god.

In Jehovah's infinite wisdom / love he determined that rather than destroying us because of two humans actions. He saw the potential of future loyal, kind and righteous people that can inherit his perfect paradise free from pain and sin. He decided that 6000 years of corruption was a minor sacrifice for eternal bliss. And although it might seem tough for us on earth.. He will wipe EVERY tear from the faces of good people.

And remember that also meant his son Jesus having to come down to earth to die a horrible death.. It is truly amazing that we have such a loving creator who originated with righteousness and the desire to please man.

http://www.jw.org...

Have you ever thought that this is Lucifer's realm (you can call it hell) and we choose to come here willingly?